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Ping pong balls for the win.
Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable
I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ain’t easy havin pals.
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I’d had this 1-4 for about 4 years I’d guess. At the time of purchase I don’t think it’s flaws were as well documented as they are now.
I agree. Since then, the failures started to be documented, here and elsewhere. It's a black eye for SWFA, in my view. I'm surprised Farris let that model out the door.
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The 6x and 10x MQ SWFA's are proof that God loves us. Fred just aint figured out that killings easy..... Or he forgot that he doesn't care what anybody else scopes their rifle with.... Come on Frud, the Leupold Fan Boys could use some troll love too.  @fredIII Fred got tossed back into purgatory for discussing Girlhunter’s secret desires...Prayers sent 😎 I was always taught to not say anything bad about the dead. Fred's dead. Good. 
Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again!
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The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the 24HCF.
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Last edited by Higbean; 12/28/19.
Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again!
Ecc 10:2
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Ping pong balls for the win.
Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable
I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ain’t easy havin pals.
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Fred ded? he needs to reinvent himself... maybe go by Fred !V, that will fool the moderator...sysop....
Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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#goatphuck
Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again!
Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the 24HCF.
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The 6x and 10x MQ SWFA's are proof that God loves us. Fred just aint figured out that killings easy..... Or he forgot that he doesn't care what anybody else scopes their rifle with.... Come on Frud, the Leupold Fan Boys could use some troll love too. @fredIII Fred got tossed back into purgatory for discussing Girlhunter’s secret desires...Prayers sent 😎 I was always taught to not say anything bad about the dead. Fred's dead. Good. Cue up creepy religious music 😎 ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/hvFw7kfR/1-E5862-DE-4-EA3-499-E-AB3-F-4-FF7-EA7-E33-EB.png)
Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog
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Maybe because at 34 my eyes are good enough that, to me, some clarity and brightness isn’t worth the extra coin.
Side by side by side shooting
SWFA 12x
SWFA 10x
SWFA ultralight 2.5-10
Leupold vx3i 3.5-10
Some brick of a Leica illuminated 2.5x10x50
Leica was bright and clear as hell, but I didn’t have a problem seeing what I was shooting with any of em.
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#goatphuck 😁😂 #imaginaandpretnd
Ping pong balls for the win.
Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable
I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ain’t easy havin pals.
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#goatphuck 😁😂 #imaginaandpretnd Who the fugg is Imagina? LOL!!!!
Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again!
Ecc 10:2
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Maybe because at 34 my eyes are good enough that, to me, some clarity and brightness isn’t worth the extra coin.
Side by side by side shooting
SWFA 12x
SWFA 10x
SWFA ultralight 2.5-10
Leupold vx3i 3.5-10
Some brick of a Leica illuminated 2.5x10x50
Leica was bright and clear as hell, but I didn’t have a problem seeing what I was shooting with any of em.
34? Geeze, you're just a pup!
Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again!
Ecc 10:2
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Maybe because at 34 my eyes are good enough that, to me, some clarity and brightness isn’t worth the extra coin.
Side by side by side shooting
SWFA 12x
SWFA 10x
SWFA ultralight 2.5-10
Leupold vx3i 3.5-10
Some brick of a Leica illuminated 2.5x10x50
Leica was bright and clear as hell, but I didn’t have a problem seeing what I was shooting with any of em.
Wtf is a brick of a Leica?? I had a 1x4 that was oozing grease out of the erector housing when brand new. Sent it back and it was replaced no problem. I have another that has seen I’d guess 3-4K of 223 and 762x39 via AR, and another that has seen id say 15k ish of semi auto .22 with no issues
She never made it past the bedroom door, what was she aiming for...?
She's gone shootin..
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That Leica weighs as much as a brick
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#goatphuck 😁😂 #imaginaandpretnd Who the fugg is Imagina? LOL!!!! 😂😂 #cumminscowboy
Ping pong balls for the win.
Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable
I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ain’t easy havin pals.
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Maybe because at 34 my eyes are good enough that, to me, some clarity and brightness isn’t worth the extra coin.
Side by side by side shooting
SWFA 12x
SWFA 10x
SWFA ultralight 2.5-10
Leupold vx3i 3.5-10
Some brick of a Leica illuminated 2.5x10x50
Leica was bright and clear as hell, but I didn’t have a problem seeing what I was shooting with any of em.
Wtf is a brick of a Leica?? I had a 1x4 that was oozing grease out of the erector housing when brand new. Sent it back and it was replaced no problem. I have another that has seen I’d guess 3-4K of 223 and 762x39 via AR, and another that has seen id say 15k ish of semi auto .22 with no issues Haha 😂
Ping pong balls for the win.
Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable
I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ain’t easy havin pals.
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The Leica is certainly bright....and heavy.
Don't think I'll buy another.
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I like the 6x and 10x Classics for their mechanical qualities. Tracking and zero retention.
And I agree with Hig that the MQ reticle agrees with my eye more than any other. I dial elevation and slide wind. The 6x guides bullets just fine in most open country situations. I have also used the 6x on my heavy barrel 10/22 to shoot sage rats as close as 10 yards. No problems close or far. I've also used the 10x Classic a fair bit. Not as forgiving of eye placement as the 6x, but the extra magnification is helpful for certain uses.
That said, they aren't the best for stray light or glare. Probably not an issue for most shooters. I have a 6x on an accurate centerfire that has noticeable parallax when the reticle and target are sharpest. I can eliminate the parallax, but the image degrades. I can still hit targets at extended ranges, and spot my hits/misses at 500 and beyond. Plenty good to guide bullets, but it's not an observation device.
The 3-9x is a step up optically, but I don't know that it's a huge step up in light transmission. Definitely better in terms of flare and glare. Mine had a bit of parallax at 500, and obviously there is no way to adjust for it on the scope. Doesn't matter what scope you use, you still need to deal with parallax off the scope anyway, right?
The 3-15x are not my cup of tea. I think they are the worst optically of the Classics so I can see how Fred isn't a fan. And SFP and MOA would suck. I do understand his needs. The coastal mountains can be very steep, deep, and dark. It gets pitch black in those hell holes well before legal sunset. Definitely not like shooting in a Kansas cornfield.
Just trying to put some perspective on the needs/uses and capabilities of these scopes. Hope that helps those new to these scopes.
Jason Agree 100% Great post
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If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty
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Fred ded? he needs to reinvent himself... maybe go by Fred !V, that will fool the moderator...sysop.... Yew realie thank heed be that hurd two spout!?
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