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Spot on. Remember what Ghandi said "I like your Christ; I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.

You are close, IS. There is Evil, a real thing that attacks human beings, but not in wolves or lions or sharks or bears.
That evil roams the earth to and fro seeking to destroy. Destroy what, you might ask? Why, me and you.

Are you going to let it get you? Without the sunset, there is no sunrise. Without the night, there is no day.

Choose the night or choose the Light. There is a reason Muhammed chose the moon, rather than the Son.

Your point about assiduous undermining is well taken - but not so much with the "church as a whole". Way back in the 80s our very large and somewhat prominent Presbyterian church in Bethesda, MD began addressing its serious differences with the PCUSA and eventually decided to split from that body - despite some serious threatening gestures by the leaders of the overseeing organization. In 2020 that church stands, on its own, tall and even more successful.

Ditto on what it did to the Pres Ch
I'm a methodist and it has been building for years with the "liberal/progressive" anything goes branch of the church. Very sad.

Come take a look at the fantastic young people in our youth group, and tell me again that the church is not good for them. Our society is trending toward filth, and church ain’t good for young people????? Church must be different in your neck of the woods.

So this has nothing to do with Remington ammunition? Just want to make sure.

I was bought up in a United Methodist Church before being the only kid there and I left to attend my grand parents Southern Baptist Church. My mom is still active in the UMC and many on my dad's side of the family that I knew were all Methodist to the grave. This split has been coming for years. The smaller Methodist Churches like my mom's is very conservative and do not like the liberal/progressive agenda. My cousin's husband was a UMC preacher and left the church due to them wanting to allow LGTB members be leaders of the church. It's pretty sad that the African UMC's are the ones wanting to stick with the original teachings of the church.

I was raised Methodist, but quit going probably 40 years ago due to the absence of God in that Church. If the split, I'll probably start back, with the Traditionalist side, of course. Will have to check to see if the break away folks still support infanticide like the denomination does now.

Jesus died for all of us sinners. We can be saved by simply believing. However, Jesus does demand repentance for our sins. Homosexuality is clearly a sin and it demands repentance. A queer couple that continues in sin isn't repenting. Jesus said this about them:

Mat 7:21 ¶ "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Yes, they need to be in church but it's the church's obligation to let them know that they're in sin and must repent. Jesus and his church are here to heal the sick. That's our purpose.
Queer leadership? How can a church allow non-believers to be leading them? If they believed, they would repent and clearly they haven't. They need to go.

I strongly believe that before it's over, the true church will be underground. There will be a legal, visible church in this country but it will be evil, controlled by Satan.

WHew!!! Thought I was only one concerned about Union Metallic Cartridge.

Well said

Anybody else here ever read Christianity & Liberalism by J. Gresham Machen?

He called it almost 100 yrs ago.

No, most exhibit self control to one degree or another. Some more. Some less.

Isn't using the words "United" and "Methodist" in the same phrase sort of an oxymoron?
Jerry

Presbyterian Church went all anti-gun too, didn't it? Dunno about the Methodists. Agree with RockChuck in that queers need to be in Church and hear the Word of God but they don't need to be advancing their agenda by being in leadership roles or anything else. There are anti-Christian leaders springing up in the hinterlands now, all over. Conservatives are keeping their mouths shut for fear of being completely ostracized while the enemy is running over them.

I have been a member of the local Southern Baptist church since 1958. My wife was a Methodist, and we've mostly attended the Methodist church for a good many years. A few years back when the homosexual issue first began to surface in the UMC, we starting thinking about going elsewhere. The UMC we attended was small and rural, and very much against the liberal moves to allow queer preachers.

For about the last 9 months, we've gone back to the Baptist church, and haven't looked back. I wish the UMC well, and think the split will be welcomed by a number of the rural churches, just about all whom are against any move to accept queers as preachers.

I don't know why this is even an issue in the first place............God tells us that homosexuality is an abomination.......period. That's so simple that even a fool should know what it means...........not acceptable in His eyes, and someone who will not gain the reward of everlasting life......and a governing church body actually wants to let people like that preach the Word.


The problem is.........if they teach the Word, they will be false prophets. It is nothing but a move by the UMC to try and rake in more money, so they can spend it and feel good about themselves.

EE, it depends on which Presbyterian denomination you are talking about, there are several. They range from very conservative to very liberal, the largest has been splitting up over LGBT for several years.

Thanks for the clarification. That's what I understood from reading an article or editorial by the late Jerry Ahern, who was a member, years ago...probably in the 1990's. I'm a member of the Christian Church myself, though my beliefs align more closely with Southern Baptists than anything. Our Church doesn't have a governing body other than the Board of the local Church itself. I've never even heard anything about guns or gays at a board meeting.

"True Church"?

30,000, soon to be 30,001 denominations.