|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,062
Campfire Regular
|
OP
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,062 |
Been tossing around the idea of replacing my Burris ff3 with a scope. Anybody using scopes, pros and cons for each please. Any info appreciated
"If you got it, you got it!" In memory of Pops, gone but never forgotten
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 4,605
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 4,605 |
Rookie turkey guy - stating that up front.
I went with a Nikon Turkey Pro scope with the circle reticle. IMHO, the circle gave me a better idea of the pattern impact at 30-40 yards, and where the density was going to be.
The thing I found challenging was getting a consistent pattern, before sighting in the scope. I really spent more time selecting the load, than dealing with the scope.
Shotgun is an older Mossberg 835 with a no-name "dead coyote" type choke, that has been a decent patterning combo with most loads.
I have not connected yet, but had it ready on a few birds over the past few years - haven't seen any reason that it needs changed.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 2,418
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 2,418 |
I've taken turkeys with scoped and unscoped shotguns and much prefer using a scope. I have a Bushnell 1.75-4 with a circle x reticle and like AH64guy's Nikon it gives a real nice aiming point with the idea of where your pattern will impact. It also brightens up the woods and can make it easier to see a small beard on a Jake. A scope will also eliminate the problem of picking your head up off the stock to get a better look at the bird and resulting in missing high. I can't think of any cons.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,062
Campfire Regular
|
OP
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,062 |
I’ll have to check them out. The only ones I’ve looked through on a gun is the leaupold vxr and the trigicon.
Are either of y’all a illuminates?
"If you got it, you got it!" In memory of Pops, gone but never forgotten
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 9,970
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 9,970 |
I have illuminatede vxrs on my deer guns and thought that would be a good compromise of red dot and scope on a turkey gun.
I just put a burris FF3 on my franchi affinity and recently added a sumtoy mount trying to get it lower where you're going the opposite way.
I'll admit O like the weaver base if I take the red dot off and I can use it as a normal gun.
Other than that, How was the show Mrs. Lincoln?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 5,699 Likes: 5
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 5,699 Likes: 5 |
I am using, of all things, a $40 Tasco World Class 1.5-4.5 from walmart. Surprisingly clear. Has held zero under heavy recoil so far, but I may have got the only good one in existence. ymmv.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 2,418
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 2,418 |
I’ll have to check them out. The only ones I’ve looked through on a gun is the leaupold vxr and the trigicon.
Are either of y’all a illuminates? Not mine.When it's legal shooting hours, I can see the reticle just fine.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 2,584
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 2,584 |
I like some sort of sight on a turkey gun because it eliminates the tendency to peek over the rib and shoot high. However, in turkey hunting you're shooting at ranges less than 50 yards at a more or less stationary target, with a shotgun. You've got a sweet spot that's 8-10 inches in diameter, not a fraction of an inch like with a rifle. Calling in a turkey is hard. Shooting one is the easiest shot in hunting. A set of fiber optic open sights is plenty, a red dot is a luxury and, IMO, a scope is just an extra pound of weight to lug around, mounted just where you want to wrap your hand to carry the gun.
Last edited by natman; 01/08/20.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,867
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,867 |
Use to use scopes on most of my Turkey guns but now use a FF3 which I much prefer
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,629 Likes: 1
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,629 Likes: 1 |
Have a leupold 2x7 turkey and a vortex 1x which i prefer. 1x is plenty and it only weighs 6 oz.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 5,834
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 5,834 |
. . . I went with a Nikon Turkey Pro scope with the circle reticle. . Which are damned hard to find these days.
I never thought I'd grow up to be a grumpy old man, but I did, and I'm killin' it.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 3,274
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 3,274 |
I am using, of all things, a $40 Tasco World Class 1.5-4.5 from walmart. Surprisingly clear. Has held zero under heavy recoil so far, but I may have got the only good one in existence. ymmv. LMAO! I have on of those I put on my .45 Colt lever gun. Actually worked just fine. Have since replaced it with a Leupold 2-7x33mm Shotgun scope. Was pretty surprised how well that Tasco worked tho.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 3,268
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 3,268 |
I like some sort of sight on a turkey gun because it eliminates the tendency to peek over the rib and shoot high. However, in turkey hunting you're shooting at ranges less than 50 yards at a more or less stationary target, with a shotgun. You've got a sweet spot that's 8-10 inches in diameter, not a fraction of an inch like with a rifle. Calling in a turkey is hard. Shooting one is the easiest shot in hunting. A set of fiber optic open sights is plenty, a red dot is a luxury and, IMO, a scope is just an extra pound of weight to lug around, mounted just where you want to wrap your hand to carry the gun. Not quite... my turkey gun is a 3-4 inch pattern at 30 yards. I run a Burris FFIII on a Speed Bead
"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where they went" Will Rogers
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 1,302
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 1,302 |
.22 Hornet over 12 gauge with turkey scope- circle over cross hairs and if head fills circle, use shotgun! If body fits, use Hornet. Rifle good for kills out to 125 yards or so. Have shot several gobblers feeding or running at 75 + yards. Rifle also good for coyotes, raccoons, and prairie dogs.
CRS, NRA Benefactor Life Member, Whittington Center, TSRA, DWWC, DRSS Android Reloading Ballistics App at http://www.xplat.net/
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 19,239 Likes: 2
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 19,239 Likes: 2 |
I use a Weaver 1.5X5 with a diamond reticle. It's an older scope and I don't believe they make it anymore, but it works great.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 4,605
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 4,605 |
. . . I went with a Nikon Turkey Pro scope with the circle reticle. . Which are damned hard to find these days. The wise man (not me) would have bought every one that Camofire had on sale a few years back...can't believe what they bring today. I saw this one CDNN, and thought it might make a decent bird gun scope. https://www.cdnnsports.com/bushnell-1-75-4x32-trophy-xlt-circle-x-realtree-ap.html#.XhiDVchKiCg
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 4,605
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 4,605 |
I’ll have to check them out. The only ones I’ve looked through on a gun is the leaupold vxr and the trigicon.
Are either of y’all a illuminates? No - and I wouldn't need illumination were I would be hunting, as a rule.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 5,834
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 5,834 |
Due to the unobtainium of the Nikon Turkey Pro and/or Leupold w/Turkey Plex, I grabbed a Konus 1.5-5. Haven't had an opportunity to shoot the gun with it mounted. Crossing my fingers that it holds up. Konus 1.5-5
I never thought I'd grow up to be a grumpy old man, but I did, and I'm killin' it.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 9,970
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 9,970 |
.22 Hornet over 12 gauge with turkey scope- circle over cross hairs and if head fills circle, use shotgun! If body fits, use Hornet. Rifle good for kills out to 125 yards or so. Have shot several gobblers feeding or running at 75 + yards. Rifle also good for coyotes, raccoons, and prairie dogs. You must have a good one. I have the same in 223 & 12 gauge and the shot patter is quite a bit lower... about 6 inches so I have to hold up higher when using the shotgun. I'm still experimenting with mine and think a lower red dot may help. Or high rings with a gap under them so I can see the iron sights or bead.
Other than that, How was the show Mrs. Lincoln?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 3,003
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 3,003 |
What in the world do you want to carry a scope around for? I walk too much to go adding weight.
Living in a world of G17s and 700s, wishing for P7s and 202s
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 3,676
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 3,676 |
I had a Leupold M8 Compact 2.5X on an Ithaca 37 for years. Shot hundreds of rounds through under it. Love it. I shot it so much that I tended to hold it very loose when patterning or switching to slugs for whitetail hunting. That scope has a 4in eye relief. I got hit twice with it. Blood running off the nose both times. Your Konus has an eye relief of 2.9 inches.That would be a bit short for me. Jim
BE STRONG IN THE LORD, AND IN HIS MIGHTY POWER. ~ Ephesians 6:10
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. --Winston Churchill
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 3,676
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 3,676 |
What in the world do you want to carry a scope around for? I walk too much to go adding weight. My 80 year old eyes need more help than my 80 year old feet. I can carry a 6.5 oz. scope. Though it may be a burden for you it's OK for me. YMMV Jim
Last edited by Rug3; 01/10/20.
BE STRONG IN THE LORD, AND IN HIS MIGHTY POWER. ~ Ephesians 6:10
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. --Winston Churchill
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 1,224 Likes: 1
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 1,224 Likes: 1 |
The Bushnell from CDNN is your huckleberry. Great price!!!!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 120
Campfire Member
|
Campfire Member
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 120 |
What in the world do you want to carry a scope around for? I walk too much to go adding weight. My 80 year old eyes need more help than my 80 year old feet. I can carry a 6.5 oz. scope. Though it may be a burden for you it's OK for me. YMMV Jim I would rather not have to carry that extra weight also but like mentioned that little bead just got too hard to find with my older eyes and mine are only 52.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 1,445 Likes: 1
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 1,445 Likes: 1 |
Fiber optic front and rear sights for me. Must admit, a scope would be better, but just something else to carry or break
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2019
Posts: 8
New Member
|
New Member
Joined: Dec 2019
Posts: 8 |
Any Suggestions on Fiber Optic sights on a Vent-Ribbed Encore or suggestions on how to put a red dot on a Vent-Rinbed Encore. I’m almost blind at 26 and seeing the little bead is hard for me with glasses.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 10,509
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 10,509 |
Does Leupold still offer that "Turkey Ranger" reticle ? Put a Leupold 2.5x 20 mm compact with that reticle on a Mossberg 500 Turkey gun back in 2001 and it's still going strong. Parallax set at 40 yards. The reticle designed to subtend 9" from top of center post to crosshairs intersection at 40 yards. ( (9" = distance from top of average turkeys head to base of its neck ). And 2.5x is plenty of power for shotgun turkey hunting ranges. I may have heard that reticle is no longer around, but don't recall for sure. It's a nice setup IMO and would be a shame if it were discontinued.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 9,970
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 9,970 |
Any Suggestions on Fiber Optic sights on a Vent-Ribbed Encore or suggestions on how to put a red dot on a Vent-Rinbed Encore. I’m almost blind at 26 and seeing the little bead is hard for me with glasses. I liked my williams fiber optioc sights with the rear sight as a ring and not a notch sight.
Other than that, How was the show Mrs. Lincoln?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,072
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,072 |
Weaver Kaspa sits on top of my only 12ga that I still hunt with. My eyes aren’t what they used to be and the scope really helps close the deal for me. No point and shoot with it. I actually aim and shoot it like a rifle. Knock on wood, I haven’t missed a bird with a scope.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 592
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 592 |
No scope , but love my eotech
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 769
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 769 |
I use a Bushnell trophy 1.75-4 with a circle x reticle and the CDNN sale price for the scope, including BC scope covers, is a very good deal!
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same. Ronald Reagan
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 2,434
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 2,434 |
Any Suggestions on Fiber Optic sights on a Vent-Ribbed Encore or suggestions on how to put a red dot on a Vent-Rinbed Encore. I’m almost blind at 26 and seeing the little bead is hard for me with glasses. I use the tru glo brand fiber optic sight that clips on the vent rib, they make different sizes for different widths of vent ribs, they are cheap and they work well. I've bought several at wally world over the years for $10ish, has a front and rear sight.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,346 Likes: 1
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,346 Likes: 1 |
I've used a Bushnell and also a BSA 1.5-4.5x the latter is what's on the shotgun now.
My eyes went bad decades ago, and I found it was hard to focus on the bead and the bird at the same time. I keep the magnification down around 2.5x
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 3,734
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 3,734 |
1.75 x 5 tasco world class, many turkeys and slugs for deer. Still working
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 2,584
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 2,584 |
I've used a Bushnell and also a BSA 1.5-4.5x the latter is what's on the shotgun now.
My eyes went bad decades ago, and I found it was hard to focus on the bead and the bird at the same time. I keep the magnification down around 2.5x
I don't hunt with open sights anymore for the same reason. Get a set of fiber optic open sights. I can't focus on the bird and the sights, but I can put the red blur between the two green blurs well enough to hit a turkey's head every time. Remember your sweet spot is 10" in diameter. It requires a lot less precision than shooting a rifle.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 385
Campfire Member
|
Campfire Member
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 385 |
Nope I have 2 turkey guns, both with fiber optic irons.. which I like. I thought about a scope for a second.. but 30-30yd shots.. nah don't need a scope.
You can lead a horse...
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,072
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,072 |
Nope I have 2 turkey guns, both with fiber optic irons.. which I like. I thought about a scope for a second.. but 30-30yd shots.. nah don't need a scope. I thought the same thing. Over the years I’ve had several opportunities get away from me because I couldn’t get on target or couldn’t tell for sure if a bird was legal. Once everything greens up here the understory can get thick. Having a 4x scope I know for a fact has added to my beard and fan collection.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 1,445 Likes: 1
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 1,445 Likes: 1 |
Any Suggestions on Fiber Optic sights on a Vent-Ribbed Encore or suggestions on how to put a red dot on a Vent-Rinbed Encore. I’m almost blind at 26 and seeing the little bead is hard for me with glasses. https://www.truglo.com/firearms-turkey/fast-universal-shotgun-sights.asp
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 7,132
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 7,132 |
While I love reflex sights, I only moved to them from scopes to shave weight and bulk. I've killed a bunch of turkeys with scoped rigs. I've got a Pentax Lightseeker 2.5x with circle ret at the house that I never mounted. It has the old Advantage camo on it. I bought it from a guy that had barely used it, so very good condition. Holler at me if that sounds like something you want to try.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 3,627 Likes: 1
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 3,627 Likes: 1 |
I’ve never had not having a scope cost me a bird......but I’ve had some close calls at close range, where I clipped a neck with the edge of the golf ball sized pattern, inside 15yards. I intend to go to one, but think I’d prefer a scope over a red dot....just because I’m not a huge RD fan for hunting and didn’t like the FF2 I did try a while back. I’d think that Pentax 2.5 would be a heckuva start.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,062
Campfire Regular
|
OP
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,062 |
I ended up buying a leupold 1-4x20 hog with the hog plex reticle. I found it and guy made me a pretty decent deal so I decided to try it. I havnt had time to swap it yet but think I'll like the little,scope. Will post my opinion after it get it mounted.
"If you got it, you got it!" In memory of Pops, gone but never forgotten
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2020
Posts: 4
New Member
|
New Member
Joined: May 2020
Posts: 4 |
Reloader7RM, would be interested in unloading the Pentax? I absolutely love that scope. I’ve used one for years and would like to find one to put in the daughters 20 gage. She wants mine but I ain’t giving it up...lol...I do like the reflex sights as well, and have a venom on my SXP...
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 1,302
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 1,302 |
Below is my Scoped Savage 24 combo Turkey gun: .22 Hornet over 12 ga. The scope has a circle and cross hairs. If the turkey head does not fit into the circle, use the shotgun and if it does use the Hornet out to 150 yards. A Hornet in the heart is always fatal. This rig solved my worries with range and has ALWAYS done the job for me. Works for prairie dogs out to 150 yards too. I also have an 18 inch .45-70 insert barrel that slips into the 12 gauge barrel. It is deer hunting-accurate to 100 yards and muffles the report nicely.
CRS, NRA Benefactor Life Member, Whittington Center, TSRA, DWWC, DRSS Android Reloading Ballistics App at http://www.xplat.net/
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 1,285 Likes: 1
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 1,285 Likes: 1 |
I use a Leupold VX-3 1.5-5x20 on a Remington 11/87 and a 870
NRA Endowment Member
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,062
Campfire Regular
|
OP
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,062 |
Well the follow up after a tough season. I killed a couple with it. I made one moving shot with ease. The scope is light and doesn’t after balance at all. I have been very pleased with it and don’t plan to make any changes. I do like to ability to turn it up to 4x and see more detail. The only way I would change it would be if I found a deal on a trigacon with the green triangle
"If you got it, you got it!" In memory of Pops, gone but never forgotten
|
|
|
|
531 members (1minute, 12344mag, 10gaugemag, 117LBS, 1Longbow, 1badf350, 60 invisible),
2,366
guests, and
1,343
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,193,162
Posts18,503,015
Members73,993
|
Most Online11,491 Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|