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Maybe, however the long range game in the current rage. They are playing to the market, those that really play the game and those that fiddle on the fringes.
How many here think they need 12x plus to work up a load or shoot game under 200yards? Answer, more than a few....
Look at the magazine articles and you see more of the same.
.308 bullets fall too short in BC for many.... I have a couple of Weaver KT-15s that I use for load development and I shoot most of my game under 200 yards. Too many people think that they can write a cheque or swipe a card and gain shooting skill that only comes with practice. Hold on there, you're from Nebraska and just said "cheque" What gives, Canadian spy? lol.
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There is a lot of Rifle scopes better then the new leupold. Nikon ,Swift,Trijicon, Sig, Bushnell, All great made plus the 2 top Germany ones Swarovski,Ziess top scope in my book is a Nightforce . but i still sometimes use a Leupold scope
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Your litmus test of whether the company is financially healthy is whether they offer shiny fixed 20x scopes?
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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Your litmus test of whether the company is financially healthy is whether they offer shiny fixed 20x scopes?
No, what they offer overall.
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Maybe, however the long range game in the current rage. They are playing to the market, those that really play the game and those that fiddle on the fringes.
How many here think they need 12x plus to work up a load or shoot game under 200yards? Answer, more than a few....
Look at the magazine articles and you see more of the same.
.308 bullets fall too short in BC for many.... I have a couple of Weaver KT-15s that I use for load development and I shoot most of my game under 200 yards. Too many people think that they can write a cheque or swipe a card and gain shooting skill that only comes with practice. Hold on there, you're from Nebraska and just said "cheque" What gives, Canadian spy? lol. I live in NE, but I was raised in NH.
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Who here has proof leupold is having any financial difficulties?
Are they laying off or hiring? What is their cash reserve? Their actual market share?
How much have they made or lost in the most recent 5 years?
Their market share has dropped significantly over the past ten years. Only two scope brands are growing much, Sig and Vortex. Leupold was number 1 and Vortex has passed them by a lot. Leupold is down about 20% in gross sales last number I heard and the market has grown and there has been inflation. They are not "in trouble" so much as they are under-performing the rest of the market.
Where did you find this data and is it a reliable source? A lot of "facts" that appear on the internet and are repeated repeatedly have little relationship with reality/truth. I don't know that I've ever seen a Sig or Vortex scope anywhere other than in a display case at Cabela's.. EDIT: Oops, I forgot that I traded for s rifle that came with a Vortex scope in 2017. I wonder where I put it? He pulled it outa his wazzoooo, like most everything else he says. Careful there Johnny... I remember giving you the details from reliable sources. Why do you have to be such an idiot?
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Who here has proof leupold is having any financial difficulties?
Are they laying off or hiring? What is their cash reserve? Their actual market share?
How much have they made or lost in the most recent 5 years?
Their market share has dropped significantly over the past ten years. Only two scope brands are growing much, Sig and Vortex. Leupold was number 1 and Vortex has passed them by a lot. Leupold is down about 20% in gross sales last number I heard and the market has grown and there has been inflation. They are not "in trouble" so much as they are under-performing the rest of the market.
Where did you find this data and is it a reliable source? A lot of "facts" that appear on the internet and are repeated repeatedly have little relationship with reality/truth. I don't know that I've ever seen a Sig or Vortex scope anywhere other than in a display case at Cabela's.. EDIT: Oops, I forgot that I traded for s rifle that came with a Vortex scope in 2017. I wonder where I put it? He pulled it outa his wazzoooo, like most everything else he says. Truth..
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Your litmus test of whether the company is financially healthy is whether they offer shiny fixed 20x scopes?
No, what they offer overall. How does that make any sense?
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Who here has proof leupold is having any financial difficulties?
Are they laying off or hiring? What is their cash reserve? Their actual market share?
How much have they made or lost in the most recent 5 years?
Their market share has dropped significantly over the past ten years. Only two scope brands are growing much, Sig and Vortex. Leupold was number 1 and Vortex has passed them by a lot. Leupold is down about 20% in gross sales last number I heard and the market has grown and there has been inflation. They are not "in trouble" so much as they are under-performing the rest of the market.
Where did you find this data and is it a reliable source? A lot of "facts" that appear on the internet and are repeated repeatedly have little relationship with reality/truth. I don't know that I've ever seen a Sig or Vortex scope anywhere other than in a display case at Cabela's.. EDIT: Oops, I forgot that I traded for s rifle that came with a Vortex scope in 2017. I wonder where I put it? He pulled it outa his wazzoooo, like most everything else he says. Careful there Johnny... I remember giving you the details from reliable sources. Why do you have to be such an idiot? So, does your silence mean you remember being spoon fed the sources? Do I have to paste them up again or do you admit you were just being a jerk again?
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You have no hard numbers on Leupolds profitability or market share IIRC. Post em up, not make them up.
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
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You have no hard numbers on Leupolds profitability or market share IIRC. Post em up, not make them up. You, once again, do not remember correctly.
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I'd say they still make a great product, but when did a $200 3-9x40 become a $400-$1000 item. VX5 2-10 and VX6 12 immediately make me shake my head. Basic VXR with firedot also...
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Your litmus test of whether the company is financially healthy is whether they offer shiny fixed 20x scopes?
Apparently, coupled with the increase in reticle change out cost, clearly shows their gasping for air...Laffin 😂😎
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I don't have access to their books, but when I see a schit ton of scopes being discontinued and a whole lot less being 'introduced', it gives me pause to wonder why.
Folks don't normally worry about belt tightening if they are doing well.
Leupold has been in the scope business for a goodly while. If these other companies can figure out how to build scopes that can be dialed, accurately, without breaking down, Leupold should be able to also.
Have they not been tracking customer buying and shooting trends? Or did they get away from their core customer base? The consumer profits from competition, and I certainly don't want to see them going out of business, especially after already losing Nikon.
Most growing businesses expand their offerings. Businesses starting to have problems sometimes 'restructure'. Businesses in trouble contract their offerings.
We shall see what we shall see.
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I plan on helping out their bottom line in the near future. After handling a VX3i CDS-ZL I have pretty much convinced myself I need one. Does what I need it to without bulky turrets and double the weight.
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leupold isn't going anywhere, why? their product is sold in every gun store around. your average non internet guy recognizes the brand and is comfortable with purchasing it. The product has a great warranty. They also have more options than pretty much anyone else. I really wish I could like them again. Nikon is closing up shop, the question is who will replace them? I don't know but getting rid of nikon certainly should only help leupold. Also in most cases leupold product line is stocked front and center and usually with the most overall product in the stores I go in.
Its funny we had them reach out to us on issues we some of us have with them. Its was pretty funny they basically said, umm there isn't an issue, get over it we aren't changing. if anything they made their case worse. Its ok, zeiss v4, bushnell, (used elites) huskemaw, NF, will get my business.
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You, once again, do not remember correctly. If you have links to back up your claims, why not simply post them? I have no dog in this fight, just genuinely curious if this is fact or conjecture.
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My part of the conversation is for anyone to see how many simple duplex hunting reticles in the Sig, Vortex or any other of these upcoming companies can be found. You won't find many. This is why Leupold will be around for a long time until these other companies figure out how to make hunting reticles instead of target reticles. Hunters that hunt in the woods and pine thickets of the south or anywhere else don't give a rat's butt about moa reticles and doa reticles. That's why the Nikons with the bdc reticles are a dime a dozen and probably why they are getting out of the scope business.
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My part of the conversation is for anyone to see how many simple duplex hunting reticles in the Sig, Vortex or any other of these upcoming companies can be found. You won't find many. This is why Leupold will be around for a long time until these other companies figure out how to make hunting reticles instead of target reticles. Hunters that hunt in the woods and pine thickets of the south or anywhere else don't give a rat's butt about moa reticles and doa reticles. That's why the Nikons with the bdc reticles are a dime a dozen and probably why they are getting out of the scope business. The largest area of the shooting optics market is no longer geared specifically to hunters any longer. Hunters are outnumbered by shooting enthusiasts who don't hunt...and hunters are loosing ground in that market share. It only makes sense for the optics manufacturers to shift their focus with the changing markets. I agree that most hunters may not care about the hashed christmas-tree reticles when they are shooting game at 75 yards, but it is naive to assume that they are the majority whom manufacturers should cater to currently.
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My part of the conversation is for anyone to see how many simple duplex hunting reticles in the Sig, Vortex or any other of these upcoming companies can be found. You won't find many. This is why Leupold will be around for a long time until these other companies figure out how to make hunting reticles instead of target reticles. Hunters that hunt in the woods and pine thickets of the south or anywhere else don't give a rat's butt about moa reticles and doa reticles. That's why the Nikons with the bdc reticles are a dime a dozen and probably why they are getting out of the scope business. The largest area of the shooting optics market is no longer geared specifically to hunters any longer. Hunters are outnumbered by shooting enthusiasts who don't hunt...and hunters are loosing ground in that market share. It only makes sense for the optics manufacturers to shift their focus with the changing markets. I agree that most hunters may not care about the hashed christmas-tree reticles when they are shooting game at 75 yards, but it is naive to assume that they are the majority whom manufacturers should cater to currently. Agreed and I also think it will be the 'death' of us. Hunting is part of ones DNA. There are shooters that hunt and hunters that shoot. Shooting hasn't been around long enough to impact our DNA. It seems betting out the DNA part that hunts is a goal, unfortunately.
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