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I had a 270wsm. Worked good at 300yds or further with 150gr. bullet traveling 3200fps. But anything under 300yds it would turn the whole side of deer into blood shot jelly mess. So I sold it.
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Most people do not like muzzle brakes but it would help with recoil. You have to carry ear muffs with you, which isn’t a bad idea anyway. I feel I can shoot better with ear protection on, because I don’t anticipate the noise. I think some people miss game because of the loud shot they know is coming their way. I keep them in my backpack. Recoil doesn’t bother me, but I don’t like loud anything.
I forgot I was carrying a 300 Win mag with a brake when I walked up on a bunch of pigs. I fired down on a 50 pounder running by. My ears rang for two days.
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I use them also,very handy.
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I use them also,very handy. My hearing aids won't let them in so now what do I do? Cheers NC
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memtb,
How are you figuring the 100 yards of added "effective range"? Trajectory, energy?
I've done considerably hunting with both the .270 Winchester and .270 WSM on big game up to 800 pounds or so--enough to say I've never noticed a practical difference in trajectory or killing power. If you load a typical spitzer boattail to 3100 in the .270 and 3250 in the WSM (which is about the real-world difference), then sight them both in 2" high at 100 yards, the WSM bullet will land about 2.5" higher at 400.
The recoil difference, using Sierra's Infinity program and an 8-pound rifle, is 21.0 foot-pounds for the Winchester and 26.7 for the WSM. Whether that's significant or not depends a lot on the individual shooter. Precisely.....good advice......The more shooting I do and witness at beyond 300 yards, the more I come to appreciate the tried and true cartridges.....the .270 Winchester among others.
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I had a 270wsm. Worked good at 300yds or further with 150gr. bullet traveling 3200fps. But anything under 300yds it would turn the whole side of deer into blood shot jelly mess. So I sold it. Wow, I would have figured that had a lot more to do with the type of bullet chosen than the caliber. That said, a 150 at 3200'/sec is a pretty smoking load - care to share the details? Thanks, Rex
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memtb,
How are you figuring the 100 yards of added "effective range"? Trajectory, energy?
I've done considerably hunting with both the .270 Winchester and .270 WSM on big game up to 800 pounds or so--enough to say I've never noticed a practical difference in trajectory or killing power. If you load a typical spitzer boattail to 3100 in the .270 and 3250 in the WSM (which is about the real-world difference), then sight them both in 2" high at 100 yards, the WSM bullet will land about 2.5" higher at 400.
The recoil difference, using Sierra's Infinity program and an 8-pound rifle, is 21.0 foot-pounds for the Winchester and 26.7 for the WSM. Whether that's significant or not depends a lot on the individual shooter. Precisely.....good advice......The more shooting I do and witness at beyond 300 yards, the more I come to appreciate the tried and true cartridges.....the .270 Winchester among others. I had a .270 Win., a .270 WSM and a ,270 Wby. mag.. They would all shoot under 1" groups at 100 yards. I compared these rifles using 5 shot groups on 300 yard and 400 yard targets, did this on several different occasions in winter and summer. I kept the .270 Win. it is a M70 push feed.
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I have shot quite a bit of 270 Win and I tried a 270 WSM a few years ago, admittedly I do not like recoil and the recoil of the 270 WSM is another level above the 270 Win. A lot of pain for very little gain.
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RL26 changes the equation of a 270W vs 270WSM debate. Alliant lists about 60 fps difference between the two with 150 gr NPt and 24" bbl for both. I saw about 70 fps difference with a pair of 270W's with 22"bbls and a 270WSM with a 24" bbl.
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Mark me up for the .270 Winchester, as with the Alliant published load and 150 grain Partitions, I’m getting 3050 fps. Can’t figure why I’d need more speed or power out of that bore.
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FWIW, I use a 270win the most. Most of my tags are filled with shots between 250 and 350. A few have been over 400, and I prefer to keep them under 500. My I took a mule deer buck a 435 a couple years back with my "short action" 270 (aka 7mm-08). My bro-in-law took a large core elk this year at 569 with a well placed 150 being pushed by a 270win. In short, you have enough gun for 400 (and more under the right conditions). Go shoot more. Enjoy.
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I had a 270wsm. Worked good at 300yds or further with 150gr. bullet traveling 3200fps. But anything under 300yds it would turn the whole side of deer into blood shot jelly mess. So I sold it. Wow, I would have figured that had a lot more to do with the type of bullet chosen than the caliber. That said, a 150 at 3200'/sec is a pretty smoking load - care to share the details? Thanks, Rex That was factory Winchester Power Point 150gr. ammo. I find the more velocity the more shock and blood shot meat. Now I have killed a damage control mule deer doe with a 375 Ruger shooting a Nosler 300gr. Accubond at 2590 fps has lees velocity and wasted meat then the 270wsm. Ball peen hammer traveling fast versus a sledge hammer traveling slower.
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Of the cartridges you mentioned the only one I don't own currently is a 7x57 and I wish I did in a classic configuration. I am a big fan of the 7RM but don't shoot it much now as I don't hunt anything larger than deer and hogs as much as I used to. The 270 WSM in a feather weight configuration is another favorite, even in a feather weight carbon McMillan I really don't notice the recoil difference from the 270 Win. until after about 40 shots or more.
I would say trade them all and get one nice 6.5, 6.8, or 7mm in a really nice rifle. You are talking about .02 difference in caliber and +/- 200 - 250 fps velocity. A little more spread for the 6.6x55 and 7x57 vs the magnums, but not so much that there is a huge difference in the field.
If a shoulder issue is the deciding factor, and it could be soon for me, the 6.5x55 would be a top choice as is the 7x57. The 270 vs 270 WSM is mostly a paper ballistic debate, the 270 WSM could be more accurate, but not that you could tell in most hunting rifles. If I were to spend a lot on a custom rifle I would probably go 270 Win. in a classic wood stocked rendition.
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The .270 wsm really needs a 24" barrel, the .270 win does not. The wsm doesn't feed as well either- very often. Brass doesn't last with handloads either and I saw a cart cases that were jammed in FL sizing dies. Not me, but that was a chore to remove. The 270 wsm is old news now.What about the new ' puffed up' 27 Nosler'/ fast twist? For me, Iam looking for another 270 win, maybe a Browning / Miroku model 95. They are rare as hen's teeth. My little old opinion.Good luck
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Recoil is noticeably more and killing effectiveness is about the same.
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How many ft pounds of recoil with a27 Nosler? My 26 Nosler with a 140 gr. Bullet is like a 7 mag with a 140.
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Another option might be to learn to shoot left handed. It is tough to do but with eye patches at first and lots of practice it is possible. A cross over stock is another possibility. I am left eyed and right handed but probably should have been left handed. I can shoot from fixed positions from either shoulder but it doesn't transfer over to shotgunning.
A thumb hole or vertical grip stock will help some but it is not a vast improvement. Three to six ounces of fishing weights would reduce recoil more. Or a big scope.
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