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Experience alone does not prove a belief. Not to others maybe, but it ‘does’ to oneself. What is true and factual remains true and factual regardless of anyone's belief or disbelief. AT LAST!!! Finally something true.... and factual! Jesus reigns.... True, whether you believe or disbelieve. Believed to be true, but not demonstrated or proven to be true and factual. As noted before, you are totally wrong. God has indeed proven and demonstrated truth to me. Seek and you will find....and you will have proof......... don’t seek and you will not find and not have proof. Pride ..and absence of humility often proves to be a barrier..... Objective evidence is something anyone can access, examine and draw a conclusion. You are talking about subjective experience, which may satisfy you, and that's fine, but objective evidence it is not. Yep, “that’s my story and I’m sticking to it.” Sure, that's your right. If it causes no harm and brings comfort, it is your own business.
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Tell us about your plan to avoid the ravages of age. How are you going to deal with a diaper?
Better yet... from your dribble, how are you? I assume I’ll be like the other old fug’s if Im im a diaper... i’ll wear a diaper and probably be in assisted living.... How is it god will do any different for you? Where did suicide come from? My assumption is your rather confused here. Maybe people who are mentally strong enough to realize an invisible being that lives in this made up place heaven, that no actual living man has ever been to record this.... is probably mentally fit enough to understand the virtues of aging. Because you aren't much different from a dog. Sure, you can talk, but once the good times end what is the point in letting the dog suffer? I'm sure you'll choose a bullet. The difference between you & I is that I understand that suffering has value. It has value because the end of life isn't the end of me. My suffering can be united in redemption with the cross. Yours...is just in vain. Extremely christian of you! Hahahaha You are a prime example... May god be the glory!
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I just hope these believers aren’t prosecutors or jurors..
You peeps have trouble understanding what proper evidence is.
I did acid and shrooms a few times when I was younger, so I can relate to you guys not understanding what you are seeing. Interesting comment....who will be your prosecutor and jury at your final judgment? Again... your confused. When science decides I am no more, I am no more... the same as you. I will just be accepting of whats happening, you on the other hand will still be dumb enough to be asking for forgiveness to an imaginary being. Its weird, when I got older, the eastern bunny stopped visiting me....
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Extremely christian of you! Hahahaha
You are a prime example...
May god be the glory! You let your crippled dogs suffer? What is charitable here? To allow the animal to needlessly suffer or to put it out of it's misery? What would be charitable if YOU were in incurable, intolerable pain?
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But I'm not a Nihilist. Atheism does not equal Nihilist. So what comes after death then? On what basis do you believe this?
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I feel sorry for you Ejp 1234. Hopefully you except God before you die!!!!
I know Him! I had a stroke in 2008. It was his through grace that I’m alive today that I can walk, talk, and think. Not always spell.😁.
But i am!!!!!!
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It’s a difference of opinion that makes a horse race. I’d eat and drink with any of ya’. Believers or non-believers.
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It’s a difference of opinion that makes a horse race. I’d eat and drink with any of ya’. Believers or non-believers. That’s fine but only one beer now, please , because of the stoke, and seizure!! 😁
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I just hope these believers aren’t prosecutors or jurors..
You peeps have trouble understanding what proper evidence is.
I did acid and shrooms a few times when I was younger, so I can relate to you guys not understanding what you are seeing. Interesting comment....who will be your prosecutor and jury at your final judgment? Again... your confused. When science decides I am no more, I am no more... the same as you. I will just be accepting of whats happening, you on the other hand will still be dumb enough to be asking for forgiveness to an imaginary being. Its weird, when I got older, the eastern bunny stopped visiting me.... Can you prove that you cease to exist when you are “no more?” If not, why would you believe it?
The tax collector said: “Lord Jesus, have mercy on me, a sinner.” Jesus said he went home “justified.”
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I just hope these believers aren’t prosecutors or jurors..
You peeps have trouble understanding what proper evidence is.
I did acid and shrooms a few times when I was younger, so I can relate to you guys not understanding what you are seeing. Interesting comment....who will be your prosecutor and jury at your final judgment? Again... your confused. When science decides I am no more, I am no more... the same as you. I will just be accepting of whats happening, you on the other hand will still be dumb enough to be asking for forgiveness to an imaginary being. Its weird, when I got older, the eastern bunny stopped visiting me.... Can you prove that you cease to exist when you are “no more?” If not, why would you believe it? The burden of proof isnt on me here. It would be on the “believers” with no evidence other than hearsay.
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I feel sorry for you Ejp 1234. Hopefully you except God before you die!!!!
I know Him! I had a stroke in 2008. It was his through grace that I’m alive today that I can walk, talk, and think. Not always spell.😁.
But i am!!!!!! Absolutely nothing to do with modern medicine?
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But I'm not a Nihilist. Atheism does not equal Nihilist. So what comes after death then? On what basis do you believe this? Decomposition.... or in some cases storage or spreading of ashes from your burnt body.
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I just hope these believers aren’t prosecutors or jurors..
You peeps have trouble understanding what proper evidence is.
I did acid and shrooms a few times when I was younger, so I can relate to you guys not understanding what you are seeing. Interesting comment....who will be your prosecutor and jury at your final judgment? Again... your confused. When science decides I am no more, I am no more... the same as you. I will just be accepting of whats happening, you on the other hand will still be dumb enough to be asking for forgiveness to an imaginary being. Its weird, when I got older, the eastern bunny stopped visiting me.... Can you prove that you cease to exist when you are “no more?” If not, why would you believe it? The burden of proof isnt on me here. It would be on the “believers” with no evidence other than hearsay. Ah yes, the “burden of proof argument”..... the unbelievers retreat, the last resort ...., But, we will play your game.....you are the one that stated that when you are “no more,” then you are no more. So, as you say, the burden of proof is on you. What say you?
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But I'm not a Nihilist. Atheism does not equal Nihilist. So what comes after death then? On what basis do you believe this? Decomposition.... or in some cases storage or spreading of ashes from your burnt body. I know you're not AS, but I suspect his answer is similar. Anyway, so once you are dead, there's nothing left but detritus. Nothing of any note in other words. That's nihilism.
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But I'm not a Nihilist. Atheism does not equal Nihilist. So what comes after death then? On what basis do you believe this? Decomposition.... or in some cases storage or spreading of ashes from your burnt body. I know you're not AS, but I suspect his answer is similar. Anyway, so once you are dead, there's nothing left but detritus. Nothing of any note in other words. That's nihilism. Hahahaha again, your mistaken in your use of that word, several people have told you that... I have morals. One doesnt need to be christian to have morals. Your use of that word is entirely wrong even if it meant what your using it as, because your using it as if someone is or isnt christian.
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Nope, look up definitions for nihilism. Tyrone is yet again correct.
But, let’s go back to your assertion of “no more.”
You made it but the absence of your reply seems telling.
What about it?
The tax collector said: “Lord Jesus, have mercy on me, a sinner.” Jesus said he went home “justified.”
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I just hope these believers aren’t prosecutors or jurors..
You peeps have trouble understanding what proper evidence is.
I did acid and shrooms a few times when I was younger, so I can relate to you guys not understanding what you are seeing. Interesting comment....who will be your prosecutor and jury at your final judgment? Again... your confused. When science decides I am no more, I am no more... the same as you. I will just be accepting of whats happening, you on the other hand will still be dumb enough to be asking for forgiveness to an imaginary being. Its weird, when I got older, the eastern bunny stopped visiting me.... Can you prove that you cease to exist when you are “no more?” If not, why would you believe it? The burden of proof isnt on me here. It would be on the “believers” with no evidence other than hearsay. Ah yes, the “burden of proof argument”..... the unbelievers retreat, the last resort ...., But, we will play your game.....you are the one that stated that when you are “no more,” then you are no more. So, as you say, the burden of proof is on you. What say you? Hahahahaha your an everyday scholar... You asked me to prove to you that I will cease to exist once Im dead.... well Im still alive, so no, I cant prove what your asking me to prove. You believe that by me saying when someone is dead, they are gone... is incorrect, and there is beyond substantial evidence to show that to be correct. Therefore, the burden is in fact on you to show we go to heaven or hell... because no one on this earth has been there. So we arent playing any games... we are discussing fact from fiction, and your inability to accept reality.
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Nope, look up definitions for nihilism. Tyrone is yet again correct.
But, let’s go back to your assertion of “no more.”
You made it but the absence of your reply seems telling.
What about it?
Is both of you googles broke... ni·hil·ism /ˈnīəˌlizəm,ˈnēəˌlizəm/ Learn to pronounce noun the rejection of all religious and moral principles, in the belief that life is meaningless
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That doesnt say nihilism - the lack of believing in everything the christian way...
So you are using the word 100% incorrectly.
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Ejp,
So, you seem to be avoiding, bobbing and weaving.
You made a clear statement that when “science says you are no more..... you are no more.”
You cannot prove this and moreover, you refuse to defend or explain your allegation. You did not even retreat to agnosticism.
You do not know that you cease to exist when science says you are no more. You claim to believe something that you cannot explain nor back up.
Let me repeat this..... you do not know that you cease to exist when you die. The same goes for others who have posted here.
The tax collector said: “Lord Jesus, have mercy on me, a sinner.” Jesus said he went home “justified.”
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