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I click an ad........ 36 ounces? I guess these are recoil reducing scopes......

https://www.brownells.com/guntech/b...ign=2020_01_06_mpo&utm_content=promo

Lots of new shooters are target shooters, not hunters, and those types are always "churning". Probably on average buy more than your typical hunter. Old farts like me are spending a lot of time shooting rimfires, and other smallbores, usually off the bench. The scopes on my hunting rifles top out at about a pound, but I've got several others that go about 20oz, a couple 30mms. More Xs make for better groups. Big tubes=more elevation for LR shooters.

it's all good IMO.

I have 4 scopes that weigh the same or similar. All are on dedicated long range competition rifles. For that game, weight is beneficial to the point that some stock makers offer additional weight options. All those rigs weigh 18-20 lbs.

this is actually pretty funny, oh there is a market for it, a big one actually. We also see companies trying to one up each other, you know bigger is better right? 40mm scope tubes. basically the seal team 6 wanna bees, who shoot 20# rifles off fake barricades. Incidentally my personality is like oil and water to those types. we will probably get a couple rolling in on this thread. Go over to snipers hide for a true fill of them. These were the guys who grew up watching way too much call of duty.

Marketed toward PRS shooters, where spotting trace and/or impact is critical. Here, heavier rifles are becoming the norm because they aid in doing that, so a heavy scope is no detriment. 20 pound rigs aren’t unheard of. Any of the scopes known for absolute reliability pretty much start at 20 oz and go up. Bigger tubes for more erector travel, thicker walls for rigidity, bigger lenses for better light gathering at high magnification, etc all add up.

John

As near as I can tell, your personality is like oil and water to ALL types. Once again, spewing out your vitriol on subjects you have no experience with and people you have never met. But carry on. Some folks have to get attention however they can get it.

John

I think ringworm or ringwald or whatever his moniker is has to have a 36 oz 36 power scope on his hunting rifles.

He's probably driving it.

Pretty blanket statement, do you think all PRS Shooters are some type of wannabes? Have you even been to a match?

Were are we on objective lens diameter? 60mm, 70mm?

You know, to gather all that light.

Some guys shoot 'em, some guys clamp 'em to a pole in the park.

I guess ol' cc thinks that people who like to shoot and actually do it frequently are all closet SOF. Are USPSA and IDPA shooters SWAT or delta posers? You might want to seek out an airsofter or video gamers board.


mike r

Nobody...I mean NOBODY can prove what a DUMBPHUCK CC is like he can himself...

Is there serious coin to be made running in the top 20 in the country shooting PRS? If a good shooter that can handle pressure, run turrets coupled with shooting his windshield and make good wind calls, could probably do well.

Throw-in a shît ton of practice and a decent shooting rig if the dollars were there. I could see dudes or dudettes getting serious about aspiring to become a player in this shooting sport.

To answer CC directly, Ford, Ferrari and others involved in the racing industry proved their development of products to win races translated to better products for regular drivers like soccer moms. That doesn’t mean running 50’s tires is the best way to fly for most, but if your SS Impala looks good with them, go for it. It’s Merica. Run what you want. 😎

It was probably 6-8 years ago that the PR guy at one of the major scope companies told me the big money was in competition scopes, not hunting scopes. Even then, this was sort of a "duh" observation , since the hunting market was already shrinking and the competition market was growing. (Which is the same trend that drives bullet and cartridges introductions.)

Most American hunters won't spend much more than $300 on a scope, the reason the market is now flooded with lower-priced "set-and-forget" scopes (both new and used) priced for their budget and tastes. This is due to the "Hubble" scope target-shooting demand. Competitive shooters will pay a LOT more for any perceived advantage.

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this is actually pretty funny, oh there is a market for it, a big one actually. We also see companies trying to one up each other, you know bigger is better right? 40mm scope tubes. basically the seal team 6 wanna bees, who shoot 20# rifles off fake barricades. Incidentally my personality is like oil and water to those types. we will probably get a couple rolling in on this thread. Go over to snipers hide for a true fill of them. These were the guys who grew up watching way too much call of duty.

It drives me nuts when I see people buying lite weight hunting rigs and then slam on vortex 6-24x50 or what ever.
WTF!?
I put a 3-12 on my 6.5 and it’s a little heavy or big for my super lite...but the 12x is nice when I want to reach out in off season on targets.
What are you going to do in thick timber on 6? With they big heavy monster? GTFOH
Now as a bench rifle, then all day long.

I don’t have a problem with big scopes. If you want a 2 lb scope, fine with me.

But I don’t want a 2 lb scope, and I’m willing to save up for a good smaller one. Long live the 4x28-33! Until then I’ll have to go with the 6x42s.

As its been mentioned, there is likely far more demand for "competitive/target" based scopes than hunting scopes, and definitely more money in them. The Vortex Razor I had weighed over 40oz, and a US Optics SN3 I have now is around 33-35oz

With a QD mount one could take the scope off and use it as an impact weapon.

ringman.....maybe??

I'll go grab my Big 50 Sharps with tang sight and let him give me some lessons!

I’m with Beav. Who cares what folks in the hunting or competition communities run? Let them be happy with whatever cranks their tractor. It’s the ‘Murican way! Happy Trails

You’re the one who should be giving lessons on shooting LR. Open sights at 500 plus yards has gotta be a challenge. 😬😎

LOL, five in 2x3-3/4ths inch at 400 and five into 5x6-1/2 inches at 500 with open sights and naked eye is more fun than a man should be allowed to have, I DAMN near got MOA with that Big 50 Sharps and 705gr paper patch bullets powered by black powder!

Buddy, that is some impressive darned shooting!

I remember as a young kid on the firing line in Parris Island wondering if the darned 5.56 green tip would ever make it to the 500 meter line let alone hit the "E" targets on the line. To my surprise that old M16A2 did a right good job.

Doing that sorta shooting with that big 50 of your's is darned cool. I wouldn't wanna stand out there and try to catch them softballs coming downrange!

Nature abhors a vacuum and if there is a market niche that isn't being adequately serviced, someone will come along and fill it. Likewise, if there is a market niche that is saturated with product, smart manufacturers will find, or even attempt to create, new market niches or sub-niches in which to push their products.

I grew up in a home where most of the user rifles were put together for shooting woodchucks and in those days the scopes made for that kind of shooting were externally adjusted Lymans and Unetles. The dozen of so hunting rifles in the house were mounted with Lyman, Redfields, Unertls, Weavers, and Zeiss internally adjusted scopes.

LMAO, damn right those little green hornets will make 500, glad you enjoyed the pics big Buddy, hope you sent em to Joel, I sent em to Beaver, I really like the challenge of shooting irons with Sharps, another reason when I read here that 12X may not be enough glass for a deer, pig or coyote at 700 yards near caused me to fall off this chair! ; ] and hell no, the momentum of a big Sharps rifle bullet falling out of the sky will punch clean through a buffalo, I don't want one either LOL.

Catching softballs sounds exactly right. Sheesh!

Gunner, what’s the recoil like from your 50 Sharps?

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LOL, no recoil to speak of Beav, it's a 32" 16lb bull barrel rifle, the trick of resting a rifle in your hand with the back of said hand on a rest, then shouldering the rifle [no rear bag] slumped over a tall table and breaking a good trigger while 'controlling' the massive torque a 705gr 50 cal bullet imparts to a rifle when it slams into the rifling is the challenge, never mind mathing the wind on a bullet that after it leaves the muzzle and travels 500 yards was more than 30 feet high in the air during it's trip to the steel.

Can you please post the video of your scope "jig" again....that was [bleep] epic

Nut’n to it then...Hoist the pig into position and hold it like a baby duckling all gentile or gentle like. Huck some chew spit for a good wind call, holder steady, and release the duckling. Got it! SMH 🤦🏼‍♀️ Lmao! 🤣😎

You keep outdoing youself...

All I know is it sounds fun!

Completely agree. Who cares what target shooters want in a scope? Plenty of great options out there for hunting scopes.

Maybe I shouldn't mention it, but I own hunting scopes AND target scopes. Last time I checked I was allowed to buy both types of optics. Doesn't have to be an "us vs them" mentality. If you have two shooters, one who loves a trim 6X for walking afield and another who loves a 25X target scope with all the bells and whistles, those two shooters have far more in common with each other than they would with one of these people who want to ban all the guns.

65BR: Not me.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Good comments, shows the true power of advertising! LOL.

Well, I got a chuckle out of many, and respect for Irons, made a few lucky shots in my life...much more often when I was younger....but just a couple of weeks ago surprised myself dropping a tree squirrel which stopped in an opening, at well over 100 paces....open sights. Glass will spoil you.

JB, I can see the business aspect, as yes the trends in consumers, hunters and competition shooters, they do differ in needs and willing budgets.

Re: spotting shots, I never thought much about it, that if the rifle was heavy enough, one can self-spot with high zoom scopes with small FOV....using cartridges often used in competition.

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Grown fond of this combo. 30 ounce scope on a #2 contoured 6.5-284. For what I do, it works quite nicely.

I’d be okay with that rifle myself. A lot of capability and not much weight penalty

LMAO! Beav, 'cope' in the wind for gauging has been around since 1822! damn right it is Big Buddy Beretzs, wait till you guys get a Sharps to Africa and slay some game, your PH will hate it, he cant see chit for the smoke, that's okay though, they don't go far ; ]

My present scope only has a 50mm objective. My next one will have a 52mm objective, Lord willing. I like to see the impact so I use a brake. With the scope on 20 X I can see the impact at 100 yards

Yep looks like fun for sure!

I would like to see no scope as an option, but still have 4x magnification. Maybe a magnifier in a peep sight would do the trick. Or even a digital peep with 4x magnification and a tiny red dot with a sliding range mark.

You bet Joel, one thing about hunting with any irons, we simply cant hit what we cant see, out on the Western plains however, and big black buffalo, many were killed in excess of 800 yards with those old Sharps rifles, the Professional Buffalo Hunters were indeed true Marksmen.

BTW, and back on topic, I just used 20X to send a 210gr ABLR through a coyote lengthways at 569 yards pestering a mama cow down trying to calve, he looked plenty big in the glass, so yes, extra magnification certainly doesn't hurt, it also cured him of his restaurant menu items concerns!

I bet that was one mighty surprised coyote

For a millisecond maybe as his ribcage swoll the size of a 30 gallon Mystic Grease drum inside his hide, we was completely wrecked and deflated when I rode ATV out to pick him up and haul him away from soon to be new mom

You could have put a snuff can in the exit wound in left ham.

Jeez I’m glad Cumilingus came here to straighten us out 👌

All true, John. Unfortunately.

cc, when guys like John and Jordan are getting irritated with your schtick, it may be time for a honest internal evaluation of your 'personality'...

Sniping in Call of Duty is pretty lame. Just for the record.