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Yep, that's satan trying to keep his grip on you. Happens to me too. Nothing new. Get used to it.

Say, "Get thee behind me, satan. I command you in the name of JESUS CHRIST.

That's the whole point, will the Big Cat and his Daddy even listen to a POS?

You're kidding? You're a pos to Satan. To God, you're his kid. Would you listen to your kid. Would you want to forgive your kid?

…10Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11So if you who are evil know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good things to those who ask Him! 12In everything, then, do to others as you would have them do to you. For this is the essence of the Law and the Prophets.…

“Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone?

Thanks Jag.

“Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone?

Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye. shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh.

Truth be known, Gun, GOD probably loves you almost as much as me. I know that's prolly hard to believe.

Quit listening to satan. He lies like a liberal and strives mightily to come between HIM and You. Satan loves misery and wants misery for you and your Father in Heaven.

How do you know what "proving a God" entails? What are you basing that particular opinion on?

Christianity is reportedly the most adhered to religion in the United States, with 65% of polled American adults identifying themselves as Christian in 2019. And, as you said, it doesn’t change too much. Many things about the country are pretty messed up. And many, many things about the people of our country...especially those who profess to be Christians...are pretty messed up as well.

Why are so many of "Faith" on a constant quest for proof?

It's called grace brother, God giving us what we don't deserve. All of us deserve to go to hell, but by grace many of us won't. God loves everyone, and desires that everyone accept him and go to heaven.

A radio preacher said, Forgive yourself.

Ed Brady.

And why would all of us deserve to go to hell?

I don't think I understand your question. I'm saying that if we had absolute proof that creation took place,and therefore a higher power must exist, we still aren't much closer to knowing what that higher power is like or what,if anything,we can do to please or displease it. I just find that Christian's mostly tend to argue for creation and existence of God with the assumption that it means their particular versions of those are true.

I agree with that. It's just that if/when someone finds "proof," I have no idea what that "proof" would look like, or what it would prove. It might be more specific than you or I think.



That's my question as well. You only have to satisfy yourself.

Let us pray, we will have all eternity to hash on it, "Up there."

In some ways, since no one is perfect, the real question isn’t: “Why does anyone go to hell?” but: “Why does anyone go to heaven?”

If life were “fair”, we would all go to hell and no one would get to live in heaven, in God’s perfect kingdom beyond Jesus’ return. But the amazing news is that God has done something to make it possible for imperfect people like us to live in his perfect kingdom beyond death, and he did it through Jesus, his Son. Jesus will return to this world to judge and punish; but first, he came to this world to serve and to save.

Jesus made it possible for people to have life with God instead of the hell we deserve by taking the punishment of separation from his Father God’s love and all good things. That’s what he did on the cross, where he cried out: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (Mark 15:34)

Competing mythologies and draconian measures
of stamping out the pagan competition is the way
In which monotheism of Jews and christians took
hold and were able spread.

Systematically destroying pagan shrines and temples
Across the land is not what one would call conversion
through 'Faith'..

Then you had the effects of later Roman emperors
Converting to christian,..making christianity more
Like an imperial cult or state religion.

Anyone with Roman history knowledge, knows that
adopting the emperors religious beliefs and honoring
The emperor/empire by showing pantronage to such
could gain you real world benefits and advantages.

the spread of christianity had much more to do with
that than the 'spiritual faith' gullible dill brains like
to attribute it to.

Many people have a hard time forgiving themselves. Satan tells people they aren't worthy. He constantly tries to interfere with Gods relationship with men.

Only when one truly believes does one understand God expects you to forgive all who ask it, including one's self

To not do so is rejecting Gods instruction, and submitting oneself to the tentacles of the devil and letting him drag you down with doubt


Why ask God a hundred times to forgive you for a certain failing or sin you did? If you are truly remorseful, not only did He cast that sin away, but He also forgot it.
He says those sins are not remembered.

When you ask forgiveness of that sin again, He knows not of which you speak.

Without Constantine Christianity would not be the religion it is today. Nor would there be a bible.

Out of all the creations the dry erase board is probably the most remarkable.

Later 4th century emperors also pushed the christian cart,
Some specifically converting to catholic and giving standover azzholes like Saint Martin of Tours the freedom to systematically destroy the pagan Polytheist beliefs that were causing no real problem for the empire...the driving force was
that Christianity could not tolerate or stand people having
free will to choose their own religion.

Christian leaders teaming up with state leaders to get it over
the people for mutual self interest driven benefit.

'FAITH' through various means of coersion, brainwashing, and physical violence.