Home Forums Reloading Varmint Rifles I full length size and de-primmed, Now I can seat the bullets by hand?

What happened?
22-250 first time reloading with new RCBS dies, factory brass once fired.

I deprimmed/sized, Bumped the shoulder back .003, then primed, and now I can seat/insert the .224 50 grain v-max by hand....

?

Wrong expander ball or sizing die is not reducing the neck enough.

The 1 fired brass normally would not hold a 224 bullet as fired. The neck needs to be reduced. The die appears to not be doing that.

If the die says 22-250 call RCBS.

widest part of the expander ball measures .223 at the widest part,
.001 under?

Appears that the die is not reducing the fired neck.

Does this sound like a die issue rather a Kenneth issue?
Is it possible to set a die improperly to not sufficiently set neck size?

Remove the expander ball and decapping pin, and run a case back in the die, and see if a bullet still falls in the neck.

There you go....

Did that,
still Lucy loose,

Then for the hell of it, loosened the set screw on the locking ring and turned the die down one full turn, This bullet seated slightly tighter,
Another full turn and now all good...

Not sure exactly whats up,
The base to shoulder once fired is 3.570

I resized and bumped back to 3.568, those bullets slipped in and out too easily,

Now, after two full turns down, All bullets fit properly,

but still have base to shoulder at 3.568

Someone tell me a story..................

Operator error more than likely.

Why are you not setting your die up right? Just full length size the damn thing, unitl you learn how to properly set it up or use your measuring device...

Did you screw the die down until it touched the shell holder? I’m assuming not if you got 2 full turns on your die.

Keep trying you will get the hang of it.

Don't understand all of the snarky posts when folks ask a question.

Most are just getting the hang of reloading and i guess they have to feel better.

CRAP

It sounds to me that you didn't have the die screwed in far enough to size the neck, much less bump the shoulder back.

Good on you for measuring base to shoulder, but you assumed that measurement was caused by the die, when it was probably just how the case started (the measurement you'd have gotten if you measured without a primer to start with; that is your baseline number, not 3.570"). If you turned the die in two full turns, and the base to shoulder dimension didn't change, your die wasn't touching the shoulder at all.

Run the die in to the shell holder, size one case, and measure the base to shoulder dimension. It should be something smaller than your original measurement, now back the die out in small increments until it only bumps a few thousandths. You should only need to back the die off a small fraction of a turn at most, and sometimes not at all.

Now that's helpful......

There you go, that's the only way I know to approach it.

Thanks for the help guys,
Things appear to be looking better.

Die is now now making firm contact with the shellholder,

but my finished shoulder dimension of 3.568 is still the same.

Make sense?

So, back it off a half turn from firm, and see if the shoulder changes. It should. And the neck should still be sizing fine. Or, up to one turn at most. If the shoulder is still being set back, you have a die that was not made correctly.

Sounds like your die is either just right, or maybe not quite pushing enough. You could try a slight turn in of the die to make it cam over a little. See if it chambers freely in your rifle though.
I'm assuming you're measuring the case correctly, are you doing something like the pictures below, with the primer pushed out on the fired case for reference?

Fired case, unsized, no primer. Zero the caliper.


Sized case. This one shows .002" shoulder bump.

Just in case you ( or anyone else) needs it explained simply...On an RCBS die..

1. Lower your handle until the ram is all the way up.
2. Screw you die down until it makes contact with the ram..and you can't rotate the die any further.
3. Lower the ram, and turn your die 1/8 to 1/4 more of a turn...

4. Lift the ram once again, and you should feel a mild camming effect...

Then your die is properly set up...to full length size a case.

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