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Latest news reports tell of
(a) the rescue of 42 hostages from an Al Qaeda torture house near Baghdad
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(b) an Al Qaeda "comic" book illustrating recommended methods of horrendous torture.

Will the New York Times report these? Will their editorial-writers pee and moan about 'em? Will the PC pundits rage at 'em?

Don't hold your breath.


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Will the New York Times report these? Will their editorial-writers pee and moan about 'em? Will the PC pundits rage at 'em?



I'll be amazed if the PC vermin even mention the rescue.

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Did a search on their website. They don't even acknowledge that it happened.


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Originally Posted by Ken Howell
Latest news reports tell of
(a) the rescue of 42 hostages from an Al Qaeda torture house near Baghdad
and
(b) an Al Qaeda "comic" book illustrating recommended methods of horrendous torture.

Will the New York Times report these? Will their editorial-writers pee and moan about 'em? Will the PC pundits rage at 'em?

Don't hold your breath.


You're right, too many of the press organizations won't report it.

What I find interesting is that Al Qaeda can operate in a "large" enough manner to house 42 terrorists in a "Democracy" such as Iraq--with 150,000 US troops in attendance no less...........takes no small amount of tacit cooperation from the natives to allow this kind of operation.

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The Washington Post is reporting the rescue of 42 hostages, but, to my knowledge, not the torture manual. Some believe Karl Rove created the manual, you see...

Yes, it's disgusting.


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Malkin has it posted here:
http://www.michellemalkin.com/


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Originally Posted by alpinecrick
Originally Posted by Ken Howell
Latest news reports tell of
(a) the rescue of 42 hostages from an Al Qaeda torture house near Baghdad
and
(b) an Al Qaeda "comic" book illustrating recommended methods of horrendous torture.

Will the New York Times report these? Will their editorial-writers pee and moan about 'em? Will the PC pundits rage at 'em?

Don't hold your breath.



What I find interesting is that Al Qaeda can operate in a "large" enough manner to house 42 terrorists in a "Democracy" such as Iraq--with 150,000 US troops in attendance no less...........takes no small amount of tacit cooperation from the natives to allow this kind of operation.

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Evidently they can't, they got taken down..







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Heck no, Islam is a religion of peace.


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Originally Posted by 2ndwind
Malkin has it posted here:
http://www.michellemalkin.com/

... and Fox News on-line, as well as Fox News on the air.


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"Good enough" isn't.

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If a rapist attacks someone, it is the rapist's fault, not how the woman was dressed.

If a child abuser abuses a child, it's the abuser's fault, not that the child was misbehaving.

As much as these two statements are obviously true, funny how if enemy forces utilize torture or blow something up, it's because the US has incited their actions...


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Fox is where I got news of it first, via e-mail.


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The New York Times has become an even more provincial newspaper than it ever was, which I think is saying something. I hope it either soon goes broke or otherwise goes down, hopefully in flames -- some good might come from its ashes.


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If I'd been involved in a car wreck when I lived in Jeddah, the Saudis would've automatically ruled that I (the qaggi or white n****r) was to blame � even if I were only the passenger in a taxi that a Saudi T-boned or head-oned after running a stop signal. Their "logic" in this is clear � if I hadn't been there, the wreck wouldn't've occurred.


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Check this out. U.S. Security Contractors Open Fire in Baghdad

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U.S. Security Contractors Open Fire in Baghdad
Blackwater Employees Were Involved in Two Shooting Incidents in Past Week

By Steve Fainaru and Saad al-Izzi
Washington Post Foreign Service
Sunday, May 27, 2007; Page A01


Employees of Blackwater USA, a private security firm under contract to the State Department, opened fire on the streets of Baghdad twice in two days last week, and one of the incidents provoked a standoff between the security contractors and Iraqi forces, U.S. and Iraqi officials said.

A Blackwater guard shot and killed an Iraqi driver Thursday near the Interior Ministry, according to three U.S. officials and one Iraqi official who were briefed on the incident but spoke on condition of anonymity because of a pending investigation. On Wednesday, a Blackwater-protected convoy was ambushed in downtown Baghdad, triggering a furious battle in which the security contractors, U.S. and Iraqi troops and AH-64 Apache attack helicopters were firing in a congested area.
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Blackwater confirmed that its employees were involved in two shootings but could neither confirm nor deny that there had been any casualties, according to a company official who declined to be identified because of the firm's policy of not addressing incidents publicly.

Blackwater's security consulting division holds at least $109 million worth of State Department contracts in Iraq, and its employees operate in a perilous environment that sometimes requires the use of deadly force. But last week's incidents underscored how deeply these hired guns have been drawn into the war, their murky legal status and the grave consequences that can ensue when they take aggressive action.

Matthew Degn, a senior American civilian adviser to the Interior Ministry's intelligence directorate, described the ministry as "a powder keg" after the Iraqi driver was shot Thursday, with anger at Blackwater spilling over to other Americans working in the building.

Degn said he was concerned the incident "could undermine a lot of the cordial relationships that have been built up over the past four years. There's a lot of angry people up here right now."

Details about that incident remained sketchy. The Blackwater guards said the victim drove too close to their convoy and drew fire, according to the three American officials. Concerned about a possible car bomb or other threat, the guards said they tried to wave off the vehicle, shouted, fired a warning shot into the radiator, then shot into the windshield when the driver failed to pull back, the officials said. Such steps are recommended under the rules for the use of force by contractors in Iraq specified in Memorandum 17, a set of guidelines adopted in 2004 by the Coalition Provisional Authority, the U.S.-led occupation government, and still in effect.

The Iraqi official said the driver encountered the Blackwater convoy after leaving a gas station just outside the Interior Ministry. Some witnesses said the shooting was unprovoked, the official said. He said the driver had wounds in his shoulder, chest and head.

The Blackwater employees refused to divulge their names or details of the incident to Iraqi authorities, according to two of the U.S. officials and the Iraqi official. The officials described a tense standoff that ensued between the Blackwater guards and Interior Ministry forces -- both sides armed with assault rifles -- until a passing U.S. military convoy intervened.

Anne Tyrrell, a Blackwater spokeswoman, said the company did not discuss specific incidents. In a statement via e-mail, she wrote: "Blackwater investigates any reports of hostile action in Iraq. Per the terms of our US Government contracts, as a matter of routine, Blackwater is required to file after action reports on any such incidents."

Dan Sreebny, a U.S. Embassy spokesman in Baghdad, said: "The security contractors are an important part of our embassy here. We expect all people within the mission to conform to the rules and procedures of professional behavior. We take allegations of misbehavior very seriously, and when there are such allegations we investigate thoroughly."

Blackwater, which is headquartered in Moyock, N.C., gained national attention in March 2004, when a mob killed four of its employees in the city of Fallujah and hung their charred corpses from a bridge. Blackwater is now the most prominent of dozens of security companies working in Iraq, with hundreds of guards and a fleet of armored vehicles and helicopters.

The Interior Ministry, which regulates security companies for the Iraqi government, has received four previous complaints of shooting incidents involving Blackwater in the past two years, according to Hussein Kamal, undersecretary for intelligence affairs. But in an interview before last week's shootings, Kamal said Iraqi authorities have been hampered by a Coalition Provisional Authority order granting contractors immunity from the Iraqi legal process.

Interior Ministry officials said Blackwater has not applied to operate as a private security company in Iraq. That process has been completed by several security firms with U.S. government contracts, including ArmorGroup International and Aegis Defense Services, two British companies.

Tyrrell wrote that Blackwater is "working lawfully in Iraq," adding, "We comply with all contractual obligations, including obtaining all appropriate registrations in the very dynamic environment in Iraq whose requirements for registration and licensing are always evolving."

The Pentagon and company representatives estimate that 20,000 to 30,000 armed security contractors work in Iraq, although there are no official figures and some estimates run much higher. Security contractors are not counted as part of the coalition forces and are prohibited from taking part in offensive operations. But their convoys are often attacked, drawing guards into firefights and ground combat.

The Blackwater convoy involved in the Wednesday incident was ambushed at 11 a.m., according to the U.S. military, while escorting State Department employees participating in the reconstruction effort. U.S. officials and bystanders said the Blackwater vehicles were struck by a well-coordinated attack, with insurgents unleashing a barrage of small-arms fire from surrounding rooftops.

A statement released by the military said that the "security unit" requested assistance and that Apache helicopters attached to the 1st Air Cavalry Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division, arrived before ground forces.

Mohammed Mahdi, 37, an employee at a veterinary drugstore, said the combined American forces unleashed a fury of gunfire near the Amanat, the municipal headquarters located in the heart of downtown Baghdad. Before taking cover in his store, Mahdi said, he saw two people killed and one wounded near the city's legal registry.

A U.S. Embassy official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Blackwater contractors "did their job," enabling the State Department employees to be extracted without injuries. The U.S. military said no American soldiers were killed or wounded during the attack.

Mahdi said that the battle lasted for nearly an hour and that when he emerged he saw four mini-buses, a taxi and an Opel sedan containing dead and wounded. He said that he saw "at least four or five" people "who were certainly dead" but that he did not know how the people were killed, who killed them or whether they were civilians or combatants.

"There were people yelling: 'There's someone dead over here! Come!' " he said. "And another saying: 'There's someone wounded over here. Come and get them.' "

Izzi reported from Baghdad. Correspondent John Ward Anderson in Baghdad and staff researcher Julie Tate in Washington contributed to this report.


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Aren't "Security Forces" supposed to provide security? I'm very sorry that the man died if he was a good fellow and simply panicked, but it IS a combat zone, which doesn't allow many mistakes of that sort.

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Anyone needing a freaking manual for torture is desperately lacking in intelligence, or even a colorful imagination. As if!

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Originally Posted by 41Keith
The New York Times has become an even more provincial newspaper than it ever was, which I think is saying something. I hope it either soon goes broke or otherwise goes down, hopefully in flames -- some good might come from its ashes.


The NY Crimes publishes the national talking points for the Dim faithful who don't have access to fax machines. The NY Crimes has 0 credibility, and hopefully will lose enough subscriptions that they have to sell the organization. Hopefully, whoever purchases it will fire everyone, demolish the building and build a park.

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Anyone needing a freaking manual for torture is desperately lacking in intelligence, or even a colorful imagination. As if!


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It wouldn't seem to be necessary for many, but...

Anyway, do you believe it's a fake? Did nasty Karl do that?


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Originally Posted by Ken Howell
If I'd been involved in a car wreck when I lived in Jeddah, the Saudis would've automatically ruled that I (the qaggi or white n****r) was to blame � even if I were only the passenger in a taxi that a Saudi T-boned or head-oned after running a stop signal. Their "logic" in this is clear � if I hadn't been there, the wreck wouldn't've occurred.


Wouldn't doubt it...

Prejudice continues to exist in many places & in many forms, and in some places it's against the law (unwritten or even written) to not be prejudiced...

And when all the "cartoon protests" were going on, people were setting things on fire & blowing things up because some cartoonists in Europe had depicted Mohammed, since it is apparently against Islamic law to have any picture of any kind of Mohammed, by anyone, even a "non-believer". Guess "two wrongs don't make a right" isn't an Islamic saying... (if we even concede Muslims were reacting to a "wrong" in the first place) Just another example of bad Muslim behaviour being justified as a reaction to non-Muslim actions.

But then, it seems to me that their governments encourage to some extent these crazed protests- I guess a Machiavellian tactic to keep the focus and energy of the masses elsewhere.


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Originally Posted by 41Keith
Check this out. [----

Aren't "Security Forces" supposed to provide security? I'm very sorry that the man died if he was a good fellow and simply panicked, but it IS a combat zone, which doesn't allow many mistakes of that sort.


Now, we'll have no more critical thinking utilizing analytical skills when reading news stories involving Iraq! crazy
First turn off your brain, then read the news!

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