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Any plain nice looking case would work with either revolver, or semi auto.
Taking away the bad guys element of surprise would be the best thing. In general, "on body carry" is considered the "best practice". Personally, I like "Colorado Carry". Modern pistol with a 15 round magazine. Carried strong side, IWB (inside the waist band), but outside the shirt. This is concealed by a light to medium cover garment, such a windbreaker or suit jacket, open at the front for quick access. During more mild weather, the windbreaker is discarded and a casual dress shirt provides cover, and is again worn unbuttoned.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Our church has uniformed officers on the premises whenever the church is open and plainclothes in the congregation during services. The possibility of collateral damage from untrained folks getting involved in any shooting situation that may arise is something many including myself are not comfortable with. Dealing with a shooter in church is best left to professionals familiar/trained to deal with threats like this kind of scenario may present. Many in cluding myself are not comfortable leaving my protection to others. I am first and foremost responsible for the safety of my family as well as myslf.
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Dealing with a shooter in church is best left to professionals familiar/trained to deal with threats like this kind of scenario may present. I hope those aren't Noo Yawk City cops- - - - -those guys couldn't hit a bad guy in a broom closet if they were in there with him! Jerry
Ignorance can be fixed. Stupid is forever!
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To help keep you at easy on Sunday when you know the shaky handed old fu_ck next to you has a 38 locked and loaded.. Amazon.Com Click to orderBible Book Safe w/ 8oz Hidden Flask - Genuine Bible with Real Pages - Secret Hollow Diversion Storage Stash - Features: Made from a Genuine, FULL SIZE, Hardback Bible, not a small, fake, softcover one like the rest! Hides an included 8oz stainless steel flask Uncut, readable pages in the front, from Genesis to Exodus 1 Looks and feels just a normal bible Accept no imitations! This is a New, REAL, Full Size, Hardcover NKJV Version Holy Bible, precision-cut in Chattanooga, TN to hide an included 8oz stainless steel flask. The cutout pages are unglued, and it is indistinguishable from an actual bible when the cover is closed, or when flipping through the uncut pages. Flask info & tips: The included flask is a Gifts Infinity brand 8oz flask; it is the only brand guaranteed to fit in this book safe.
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I'll start over, I won't lead off with the choir this time.
Our minister spent a fair amount of time this morning on safely issues. A car was stolen from the church parking lot last Sunday. She also gave a code word to alert all of us to danger.
I asked on my way out if I should bring my handgun with me. She quickly said yes.
Any thoughts on the subject? "It's a shame for a woman to speak in the church." - 1 Corinthians 14:35 She happens to be right on this point, though.
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I’ll try to make one serious contribution
At the church I go to, we have an entrance, a vestibule, then another threshold. This second threshold used to be old outside wall of the church.
We have a sound board, lighting controls, a small desk area, just inside that wall. it sits 90degrees to the flow of people walking in. We had an old window that was there and now it’s gone. So it like a reach thru there.
Anyone coming in after services start, sound man can see them all the way out to the parking lot.
Wonder if you could have an usher’s table that sits like that, where your designate person could use his peripheral vision to keep watch on late comers and body language?
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Dealing with a shooter in church is best left to professionals familiar/trained to deal with threats like this kind of scenario may present. I hope those aren't Noo Yawk City cops- - - - -those guys couldn't hit a bad guy in a broom closet if they were in there with him! Jerry Way to many of the "professionals" are not as professional as many think. Why would anybody belong to a chruch that wouldn't trust them to carry? Besides, I don't think the OP's little church as the budget for what GW describes.
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Even with a CWP, in SC it illegal to carry in a church unless you have permission from the pastor or church board. My church has a security team that is headed by a Deputy US Marshal
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If the pastor is smart, a church will not only allow armed people in the congregation but there will also be an organized self defense mechanism in place. Armed people need to be seating in strategic places and have a coordinated plan to identify and deal with a potential attacker.
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To help keep you at easy on Sunday when you know the shaky handed old fu_ck next to you has a 38 locked and loaded.. Amazon.Com Click to orderBible Book Safe w/ 8oz Hidden Flask - Genuine Bible with Real Pages - Secret Hollow Diversion Storage Stash - Features: Made from a Genuine, FULL SIZE, Hardback Bible, not a small, fake, softcover one like the rest! Hides an included 8oz stainless steel flask Uncut, readable pages in the front, from Genesis to Exodus 1 Looks and feels just a normal bible Accept no imitations! This is a New, REAL, Full Size, Hardcover NKJV Version Holy Bible, precision-cut in Chattanooga, TN to hide an included 8oz stainless steel flask. The cutout pages are unglued, and it is indistinguishable from an actual bible when the cover is closed, or when flipping through the uncut pages. Flask info & tips: The included flask is a Gifts Infinity brand 8oz flask; it is the only brand guaranteed to fit in this book safe. Least they left the maps in, that keeps me from going absolute bonkers from boredom in church.
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Even with a CWP, in SC it illegal to carry in a church unless you have permission from the pastor or church board. My church has a security team that is headed by a Deputy US Marshal
In my Baptist church, the our deacons run the show. Pastor AINT going to tell anyone jack chit, all he gets paid to do is to stand there and proclaim the Gospel. He is not the ex-officio of anything except the pulpit. We gave him the codes to the burglar alarm but he doesn’t have a key to the thermostat cover.
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If the pastor is smart, a church will not only allow armed people in the congregation but there will also be an organized self defense mechanism in place. Armed people need to be seating in strategic places and have a coordinated plan to identify and deal with a potential attacker. This is exactly what we have!!
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I'll start over, I won't lead off with the choir this time.
Our minister spent a fair amount of time this morning on safely issues. A car was stolen from the church parking lot last Sunday. She also gave a code word to alert all of us to danger.
I asked on my way out if I should bring my handgun with me. She quickly said yes.
Any thoughts on the subject? "It's a shame for a woman to speak in the church." - 1 Corinthians 14:35 She happens to be right on this point, though. 1 Timothy 2:12 | But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
"All that the South has ever desired was that the Union, as established by our forefathers, should be preserved, and that the government, as originally organized, should be administered in purity and truth." – Robert E. Lee
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Take your handgun to church... There’s your answer. But you also need proficiency that comes from serious, continual training. I believe in concealed carry everywhere. Church isn’t just part of everywhere, it’s also traditionally seen as a soft target filled with sheep ready for slaughter. That sentiment can eventually shift if enough of these animals are head shot by church members, but for now churches are mostly perceived as gun free zones even if they’re not. Concealment isn’t tough if you’re someone who dresses up with a sports coat. I’m not. But I always have enough shirt to cover my waist. The bigger problem is keeping the huggers and touchers at bay. They’re more prevalent in certain denominations, but a consistent PITA if you’re trying to carry in a professional manner..........meaning your pistol is your secret and not public knowledge. Security teams are becoming more common, so depending on church politics/politics and what’s been announced to the congression, your secret may be out of the bag. A full sized pistol with real sights and a manageable trigger are important (Mr. Wilson in TX drove that home for the “statistically” guys), because bringing a carbine every Sunday morning might cause the old ladies to start gossiping. BUT if I was in charge of the sound and lighting booth somewhere at the rear of the church and overlooking everything, I’d absolutely work out a means of having a carbine tucked in there with me. There’s no such thing as being over gunned in a fight. Just sensitive public feelings based on ignorance. Just my dos pesos.....
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1 Timothy 2:12 | But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
Yep.
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Richard, this is how I go armed in church most of the time. When I'm not wearing this, my pistol is on my belt, and I'm wearing a vest or coat to conceal it. I used to pack a 380 in my pants pocket, but the reality of the situation is that it takes too much effort to get to a pocket pistol when you're sitting down.
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That question indicates that you may have some work to do prior to shooting in a crowded venue. Don't make the problem worse. mike r
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When is the last time you practiced with this firearm?
When is the last time you fired ANY firearm? Always carry daily, have for close to 30 years. I was one day out of the Luby's massacre back around October of '91. Had lunch there the day before. Two people I had lunch with there were shot the next day. One was shot twice and recovered, one was killed. Have carried ever since. Typically avoid any venue where I cannot legally carry. Only had to display my weapon 4 times during all that time in regard to two-legged varmints. Dispatch hoglets quite often! Anywho, my range is 15 minutes from my house. Have not always done so, but these days, I practice at least weekly, and sometimes more. Usually at least 100 rounds each per session with the two 1911's and the Sig P365. Just fer schitz n giggles...... Browning Black label, 380 ACP The Sig P365 is my daily carry. Switched to this from the Glock 43. Twelve friends in the mag, one in the pipe and a 16 round mag on my belt. Glock 43 w/ laser RIA 1911, 230 gr. FMJ 8, controlled: top +/- 16, as fast as practical: botto Sig Emperor Scorpion, 1911, 45 ACP, 230 gr. FMJ and a few with the RIA Tach FS in 10 MM, 200 Gr. XTP's and a Smith loaded with 44 Special, 200 gr XTP's ya! GWB
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That is some fine shooting.
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That is some fine shooting. Last year at the 24hour campfire hog-hunt in south Texas, I got smoked so bad at the bowling pin shoot, I decided I needed mucho mas practice. I instinctively shoot left handed, but am right eye dominant so having swithched hands, I've had to learn all over. ya! GWB
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