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Comparing Leupold with NF, is like comparing a Yugo to an M1 Abrams.
Fixed.  What failures have you had with SWFA scopes that make you say that? It's a bit of an extreme claim, if you ask me. Unless you've tested both scopes using the same testing methods, and more than just a sample of one of each, you can't really use a specific test of one scope as a valid metric. IME, SWFA scopes are extremely durable. I have a friend who's son was recently out during the late season hunting in the elk hills, and when he went to cross an icy creek bed his foot slipped out from under him on an ice-covered boulder. He unintentionally threw his rifle like you'd throw a stick when playing fetch with a dog, and the Ruger M77 Hawkeye with SWFA 6x scope landed elevation-turret first on a large boulder, before clunking and clanking and skipping across the boulders in the creek bed. The rifle and scope (particularly the ele turret!) acquired some serious scars. When he went to check zero on the rig he needed to make a 0.3 MRAD correction to get back on zero. Whether this slight shift was due to mounts, action screws/bedding, or scope internals I don't know. But for a rifle and scope to take a beating like that and have only shifted zero slightly over an inch at 100, that's pretty impressive. That’s impressive and maybe I misrepresented my position but I am also a fan and owner of SWFA scopes. But I still don’t think they are in the same league with NF when it comes to durability and reliability. And it’s funny but since you picked Leupold when you posted, what would you say if I told you I had virtually the exact same experience with a Leupold scope only it landed on the ocular bell and crushed it. Glass also cracked somewhat but not all the way through and the scope amazingly held zero. Leupold warranty replaced it despite its age. There are a lot of good scopes out there, but there is a reason the agencies with the big bucks that do their own testing, and that actually depend on performance like their lives might be in the balance because it might be use NF...
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Comparing Leupold with NF, is like comparing a Yugo to an M1 Abrams.
Fixed. What failures have you had with SWFA scopes that make you say that? It's a bit of an extreme claim, if you ask me. Unless you've tested both scopes using the same testing methods, and more than just a sample of one of each, you can't really use a specific test of one scope as a valid metric. IME, SWFA scopes are extremely durable. I have a friend who's son was recently out during the late season hunting in the elk hills, and when he went to cross an icy creek bed his foot slipped out from under him on an ice-covered boulder. He unintentionally threw his rifle like you'd throw a stick when playing fetch with a dog, and the Ruger M77 Hawkeye with SWFA 6x scope landed elevation-turret first on a large boulder, before clunking and clanking and skipping across the boulders in the creek bed. The rifle and scope (particularly the ele turret!) acquired some serious scars. When he went to check zero on the rig he needed to make a 0.3 MRAD correction to get back on zero. Whether this slight shift was due to mounts, action screws/bedding, or scope internals I don't know. But for a rifle and scope to take a beating like that and have only shifted zero slightly over an inch at 100, that's pretty impressive. That’s impressive and maybe I misrepresented my position but I am also a fan and owner of SWFA scopes. But I still don’t think they are in the same league with NF when it comes to durability and reliability. And it’s funny but since you picked Leupold when you posted, what would you say if I told you I had virtually the exact same experience with a Leupold scope only it landed on the ocular bell and crushed it. Glass also cracked somewhat but not all the way through and the scope amazingly held zero. Leupold warranty replaced it despite its age. There are a lot of good scopes out there, but there is a reason the agencies with the big bucks that do their own testing, and that actually depend on performance like their lives might be in the balance because it might be use NF... I'd say that I'm not shocked. I mostly inserted "Leupold" into your statement as a jab at the Leup fanboys. Despite the fact that the older Leupolds held zero very well, an anecdotal sample of one doesn't say much about the lineup in general. The same can be said about the videos testing a single scope. I would agree that NF scopes are likely the most durable and reliable of any scopes made, but the difference in reliability between NF and something like a SWFA fixed or Bushy LRHS isn't as large as you were making it out to be, IMO.
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Jordan.. appreciate your response.
I checked the scopes you mentioned and I feel I better clarify my position a bit more!!
Despite me saying I’ll likely own one unfortunately there’s no way I could do 3k ish for a single scope..
My only option would be to find a used model for sub 1500 or to get lucky and find a demo or the like Doug is blowing out for not much more.
I’ve looked closely at several recently in the classifieds for 1300-1500 but just haven’t pulled the trigger.
Part of that is I just don’t their lineup well enough.
I will definitely be fishing from the used/discontinued section of the pond tho, and I have no problems with that..
I don’t need new or the best
Any used options you’d recommend Specifically for rimfire 50-300+ yards?
Thanks again
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Comparing Leupold with NF, is like comparing a Yugo to an M1 Abrams.
Fixed. What failures have you had with SWFA scopes that make you say that? It's a bit of an extreme claim, if you ask me. Unless you've tested both scopes using the same testing methods, and more than just a sample of one of each, you can't really use a specific test of one scope as a valid metric. IME, SWFA scopes are extremely durable. I have a friend who's son was recently out during the late season hunting in the elk hills, and when he went to cross an icy creek bed his foot slipped out from under him on an ice-covered boulder. He unintentionally threw his rifle like you'd throw a stick when playing fetch with a dog, and the Ruger M77 Hawkeye with SWFA 6x scope landed elevation-turret first on a large boulder, before clunking and clanking and skipping across the boulders in the creek bed. The rifle and scope (particularly the ele turret!) acquired some serious scars. When he went to check zero on the rig he needed to make a 0.3 MRAD correction to get back on zero. Whether this slight shift was due to mounts, action screws/bedding, or scope internals I don't know. But for a rifle and scope to take a beating like that and have only shifted zero slightly over an inch at 100, that's pretty impressive. That’s impressive and maybe I misrepresented my position but I am also a fan and owner of SWFA scopes. But I still don’t think they are in the same league with NF when it comes to durability and reliability. And it’s funny but since you picked Leupold when you posted, what would you say if I told you I had virtually the exact same experience with a Leupold scope only it landed on the ocular bell and crushed it. Glass also cracked somewhat but not all the way through and the scope amazingly held zero. Leupold warranty replaced it despite its age. There are a lot of good scopes out there, but there is a reason the agencies with the big bucks that do their own testing, and that actually depend on performance like their lives might be in the balance because it might be use NF... I'd say that I'm not shocked. I mostly inserted "Leupold" into your statement as a jab at the Leup fanboys. Despite the fact that the older Leupolds held zero very well, an anecdotal sample of one doesn't say much about the lineup in general. The same can be said about the videos testing a single scope. I would agree that NF scopes are likely the most durable and reliable of any scopes made, but the difference in reliability between NF and something like a SWFA fixed or Bushy LRHS isn't as large as you were making it out to be, IMO. It’s not about a single video or a single scope. It’s about how those scopes are made and assembled and tested. Look it up yourself and if you still think they are the same quality as any other scope there’s really not much I can say to change your mind - or even care to to be honest as it doesn’t affect me in the least what anybody else chooses to use. We all walk our own paths. Take care... George
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Had an SHV-F1 for a while. Rock solid tracking, return to zero and zero retention. Good scope.
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Ive dialled mine literally thousands of times culling commercially and recreationally over the last 5 years and banged it around all over the place.
Its never lost zero and dials perfectly still. Its on a .223 (3-10 power). MOA reticle. Perfect.
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Any used options you’d recommend Specifically for rimfire 50-300+ yards? Pretty good deals show up occasionally on NXS 5.5-22's, especially when they have the NP-R1 or NP-R2 reticles, which would be great for what you're looking for. Depending on whether they have high speed/zero stop, prices can be 11-1300.00.
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Oh yeah these are IMO the toughest scopes i have used and tracking is solid too but they have their downsides with heavy weight and mid-grade optics But you dont hear that mentioned much from all the fanboys......Hb
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Hate to be this guy but I have a 3-10 SHV that I’m questioning right now. Last fall my hunting load in my light 308 was stacking 130gr TTSX into about 5/8” at 100. Last outing with the same gun / load was printing 1.5-2”. Nothing changed with my rig just the group size.
I pulled the scope off and verified mounts and fasteners were all good. Installed a known good Mark 4 3.5-10 and will see WTF on my next session.
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Any used options you’d recommend Specifically for rimfire 50-300+ yards? Pretty good deals show up occasionally on NXS 5.5-22's, especially when they have the NP-R1 or NP-R2 reticles, which would be great for what you're looking for. Depending on whether they have high speed/zero stop, prices can be 11-1300.00. Aalf.. I think that exactly describes the last one or two I was looking at. If I could find one for 11-1200 I’d likely jump in the water
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Are these scopes solid? Has anyone ever had issues with them? I got (1), works as good as all my leupolds, just waaaay heavier
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Are these scopes solid? Has anyone ever had issues with them? I got (1), works as good as all my leupolds, just waaaay heavier
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Jordan.. appreciate your response.
I checked the scopes you mentioned and I feel I better clarify my position a bit more!!
Despite me saying I’ll likely own one unfortunately there’s no way I could do 3k ish for a single scope..
My only option would be to find a used model for sub 1500 or to get lucky and find a demo or the like Doug is blowing out for not much more.
I’ve looked closely at several recently in the classifieds for 1300-1500 but just haven’t pulled the trigger.
Part of that is I just don’t their lineup well enough.
I will definitely be fishing from the used/discontinued section of the pond tho, and I have no problems with that..
I don’t need new or the best
Any used options you’d recommend Specifically for rimfire 50-300+ yards?
Thanks again The NXS 3-15x F1 or SHV 4-16x F1 would be good options, but honestly in that price range I’d just stick with the LRTS.
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Comparing Leupold with NF, is like comparing a Yugo to an M1 Abrams.
Fixed. What failures have you had with SWFA scopes that make you say that? It's a bit of an extreme claim, if you ask me. Unless you've tested both scopes using the same testing methods, and more than just a sample of one of each, you can't really use a specific test of one scope as a valid metric. IME, SWFA scopes are extremely durable. I have a friend who's son was recently out during the late season hunting in the elk hills, and when he went to cross an icy creek bed his foot slipped out from under him on an ice-covered boulder. He unintentionally threw his rifle like you'd throw a stick when playing fetch with a dog, and the Ruger M77 Hawkeye with SWFA 6x scope landed elevation-turret first on a large boulder, before clunking and clanking and skipping across the boulders in the creek bed. The rifle and scope (particularly the ele turret!) acquired some serious scars. When he went to check zero on the rig he needed to make a 0.3 MRAD correction to get back on zero. Whether this slight shift was due to mounts, action screws/bedding, or scope internals I don't know. But for a rifle and scope to take a beating like that and have only shifted zero slightly over an inch at 100, that's pretty impressive. That’s impressive and maybe I misrepresented my position but I am also a fan and owner of SWFA scopes. But I still don’t think they are in the same league with NF when it comes to durability and reliability. And it’s funny but since you picked Leupold when you posted, what would you say if I told you I had virtually the exact same experience with a Leupold scope only it landed on the ocular bell and crushed it. Glass also cracked somewhat but not all the way through and the scope amazingly held zero. Leupold warranty replaced it despite its age. There are a lot of good scopes out there, but there is a reason the agencies with the big bucks that do their own testing, and that actually depend on performance like their lives might be in the balance because it might be use NF... I'd say that I'm not shocked. I mostly inserted "Leupold" into your statement as a jab at the Leup fanboys. Despite the fact that the older Leupolds held zero very well, an anecdotal sample of one doesn't say much about the lineup in general. The same can be said about the videos testing a single scope. I would agree that NF scopes are likely the most durable and reliable of any scopes made, but the difference in reliability between NF and something like a SWFA fixed or Bushy LRHS isn't as large as you were making it out to be, IMO. It’s not about a single video or a single scope. It’s about how those scopes are made and assembled and tested. Look it up yourself and if you still think they are the same quality as any other scope there’s really not much I can say to change your mind - or even care to to be honest as it doesn’t affect me in the least what anybody else chooses to use. We all walk our own paths. Take care... George George, I’m not sure how you got that from what I said. I’m aware of how NF scopes are made and tested, and as I said, they are probably the most durable/reliable scopes made, but I don’t believe that the next step down in durability is nearly as far as you’re implying it is.
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A test exclusive to one means nothing of another...
The differences in construction between SHV and NSX are?
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They’ve given me the same amount of problems as the NXSs, ATACRs, etc...
Still waiting for those MIL reticles in the 3-10. Any plans of this??? I want badly to jump on MD’s 3-10 that he had listed the other day, but the MOA kept me from it...
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A test exclusive to one means nothing of another...
The differences in construction between SHV and NSX are? SHV: Entry-level Nightforce® riflescope Developed for all around use High-Quality glass with simplified features Most popular is the MOAR reticle ZeroSet™ elevation or capped adjustments NXS: Hard-use Nightforce® product line Legacy product line that established Nightforce within the marketplace Used by elite military snipers and warfighters High-quality glass and features Positive clicks for windage and elevation dialing ZeroStop™ elevation adjustment NX8: New generation Nightforce® product line with NXS-type ruggedness in a mid-range F1 option 8x magnification zoom ratio Compact and lightweight High-quality glass and features Built for extreme durability ATACR: Highest level product Nightforce® has to offer Most advanced technology features Used by long range competitors, elite military units and extreme long range hunters ED Glass with high performance features ZeroStop™ /ZeroHold™ elevation adjustments Power Throw Lever integrated to magnification ring Digillum™ – digital reticle illumination Flip-up caps standard
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To much effort is put into hunting a wall hanger buck for me to be using a cheap scope. I’ve used most all some with better glass than the nightforce but the overall package it’s nightforce for me I’m on my first one but think there will be more.
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To much effort is put into hunting a wall hanger buck for me to be using a cheap scope. I’ve used most all some with better glass than the nightforce but the overall package it’s nightforce for me I’m on my first one but think there will be more. Oh no, you are going to be hooked. They are like pringles...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I have a few and have had a few more pass through my hands. I have a standard non illuminated forceplex 3-10 and a 4-14 f1 (both shv) currently and have used them extensively in lots of different weather, both have been banged around on my snowmachine and in my skiff and hauled up mountains. Both of them have held zero and returned to zero flawlessly.
I probably don’t shoot as much as some guys but I do try to get out most weekends, living in Alaska I get a lot of field time for hunting, for moose I get an entire month in the fall and an entire month in the winter, I can hunt caribou for months on end. On top of all that I make a few trips each year. I’m only saying that to point out that my guns/scopes spend a lot of time out each year.
I have a pretty ambitious hunting plan this year so I recently sold off one of the shv 3-10s I had and will be ordering an nxs 2.5-10 from Doug this week, tomorrow probably, mostly because I want to match the MILr reticle to the one in my 4-14f1 and the nxs 2.5-10 seems to check pretty much every box for me:
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-good magnification range
-sfp I keep it dialed down while walking
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-slightly lighter than an shv 3-10
Seems about perfect for my needs.
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