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If you want to continue wasting your vote on these crooks and liars, go ahead. "


When I see things like that, I wonder.....do you know who represents you? Because you don't get to vote on "these" crooks and liars....you get to vote on one Congressman, maybe one senator, and President. Do you know who yours are? Or how they voted? If he's a repub and a RINO, are you working for a better candidate to throw him out in the primary? If he's good, are you supporting him? Or are you just pissing and moaning in generalies on the internet? Because your enemies are working overtime.....they really believe they can elect a socialist president and a filibuster proof senate majority. If they do, you can kiss a lot of what makes this country America goodbye.

So don't help them.

"His strategy is to make Congress declare war, officially and finally. "

That's no strategy at all...since the government we fought doesn't exist any more. Who the hell is he going to declare war on? Al Quida? RP's strategy is no strategy....its a political position.

And if you think the democrats are afraid of gun control, you're not paying attention. They intend to leverage the school shootings into a whole new generation of extremely intrusive gun control, under the guise of "safety" and "protecting the children". The bills have already been introduced, and will pass without strong Republican opposition. If you guys have your way, there won't be any. Kiss your guns goodbye, Pelosi libertarians.

That is exactly who we should have declared war against on 09/12/2001. There is absolutely no reason why the US needs to declare war on another nation, an extragovernmental organization, especially one like Al-Qaida can be the subject of a declaration of war. In fact such a declaration by the congress would have allowed the State Dept some pretty good leverage when dealing with nations in Southeast Asia, the area where Al-Qaida is growing by leaps and bounds, and would not have limited our ability to fight any of the successful actions we have fought to date (Afghanistan, CJTF-HOA, etc.).

Bob

I don't doubt that there wll be another incident.

If it doesn't happen spontaneously, those who would benefit from such an occurance will create one.

I was kinda' wondering about that.......I like Isaac, but I like harrassing his card carrying membership of the status quo...........and that he generally asnwers questions with a question............

Casey

those who would benefit from such an occurance will create one.
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Bristoe...Jim In Oregon is using your computer while you sleep. I understand we're about 180's from the other on most politics and I do respect that; but, you can't possibly believe what you posted above!!

http://www.truthmove.org/content/false-flag-operations/

A false flag operation is simply an action in which the perpetrator intends for the blame (or credit) to be placed on a different party. The term originally comes from the naval concept of flying another country�s flag to deceive and confuse other ships.

Here we are concerned mostly with false flag terrorism�terror by states, organizations, and agencies which is meant to be pinned on others in order to influence policy, public opinion, or military aggression.

False flag operations are a classic tool of deception and espionage. Intelligence agencies are usually linked to most false flag terrorism.

False flag terror by a state upon its own population can be a powerful tool of control. False flag operations can range from intentional provocation or �letting things happen,� all the way up to outright orchestration.

Probably the most basic motive for a false flag incident would be to frame the enemy for an act of aggression or barbarism in order to justify a supposed �defensive� response. It is essentially a way of making it appear that the other side �threw the first punch.�

Many of the most prominent conflicts of the twentieth century were initiated, and gained the necessary public support, based on false incidents, intelligence, and journalism. The public does not generally support war unless provided a relatively just cause. At present diverse populations worldwide recognize that few wars if any have been justified.

With weapons being a primary world industry and one of the most profitable, we can be certain that conflict will be promoted or not averted by corporations with cooperative governments and individuals seeking profit and market dominance.

While we don�t claim that all the events in this section are 100% confirmed false flag operations, there is compelling evidence in each case that the official story is incomplete and the identity of the true perpetrators/facilitators is in doubt.

A Few Likely False Flag Operations:
1605 - The infamous Guy Fawkes plot to blow up the English Parliament. Actually an institutional false flag plot used as a pretext for war with Spain. Official history still repeats this deception. 2

1898 - The sinking of the USS Maine in Havana harbor was immediately pinned on the Spanish and the rallying call became, �Remember the Maine! To hell with Spain.� William Randolph-Hearst enflamed anti-Spanish sentiment in his papers by claiming definitively that it was a Spanish plot. No reliable evidence was ever produced linking Spain to the event. It is now widely believed that the event was a mechanical failure or false flag operation.

1933 - The Reichstag Fire allows the Nazis to crack down on their opposition and take power. A naked cowering Dutch communist, Martin Van der Lubbe, is found on the scene and the Nazis immediately claim that the fire is a communist plot.

�The exact sequence of events will never be known, but Nazi storm troopers under the direction of Hermann G�ring were also involved in torching the place. They had befriended the arsonist and may have known or even encouraged him to burn the Reichstag that night. The storm troopers, led by SA leader Karl Ernst, used the underground tunnel that connected G�ring�s residence with the cellar in the Reichstag. They entered the building, scattered gasoline and incendiaries, then hurried back through the tunnel.� 3

After World War II, Operation Gladio was a �stay behind� operation by NATO, CIA, and MI6 to counter communist/leftist influence in Europe. These state-sponsored �secret armies� used false flag terrorism against their populations in order to frame left wing groups, influence elections, and justify increased �security.� Gladio has been confirmed by various governments and condemned by the European Parliament.

1954 - The Lavon Affair, a �scandal over a failed Israeli covert operation in Egypt known as Operation Suzannah, in which U.S. and U.K. targets in Egypt were bombed and evidence left implicating the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood; a textbook example of a false flag operation.� 4

In attorney parlance, there's a "precedent",..... probably many more than are known about.

interesting concept, but I don't think you can declare war on an informal organization or NGO. Any more than Iraq can declare war on its own insurgents. You fight them and kill them, but a war declaration is meant to trigger certain consequences when directed at a sovereign. When directed at a non-government, it just looks silly.

And they watch sadly as Bristoe slips over the line into trutherism insanity and whackjob conspriracy theories, leaving the realm of serious discourse behind. Sniff...sorry to see him go.

The world isn't how you invision it, Steve.

I wish it was,... but it isn't.

Your government cares as much about you as it does the typical Iraqi.

If it can take more power by moving you out of the way, you'll have to go.

Election wise - both sides of the aisle aren't going to want to focus on the war too much - they will spin so as neither the pro war nor the anti war side can pin them on it - both of them saying things like "Of course I want the troops home but we have to be careful that we don't create problems"
Pro war guy takes that to mean that we are gonna stay and kick tail till it's done - anti war guy takes that to mean we are pulling out but making sure we have enough seats on the airplane
for everyone.

The election for president will pay lip service to the situation in Iraq but will be decided by other things. All politics is local. Price of fuel, national debt and the comming implosion of the housing market are going to be issues on the campaign trail.

1. Cost of fuel - none of the Repubs are oil men (AFAIK) so they can skirt the idea they are making $$ of it.

2. Debt - yep we been spending but the largest expenditure has been the war - that's a 1 time expense not an expense in perpetuity like a social program so popular to the dems. Plus gov. revenue is at an all time high even with the tax cuts - IIRC we could have the debt payed off in 4 years - my son is 7 so that kinda blows the "Saddling our grandchildren with debt" bs story outta the landscape.

3. Housing implosion - this wasn't caused by any individual party but people will be hurting and asking for help. I personaly think tough schitt deal with your mistakes (to those who over extended on an ARM - 2 mortgages with every cent of equity already cashed out of their home but 2 harleys and a 40 ft camper in the driveway along with cars that both have less than 25k miles on them - all while making 30k a year) - some will flock to the Dems as they will promise everything - I bet you don't see them deliver - their actions since taking the Congress should show that - they haven't done squat. Easy counterpoint for a Repub candidate.

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The solution is not in elections or political parties or candidates. Government got us into this situation; more government is not what's going to get us out.

Every election that's advertised as "the most crucial election in the history of the Republic!!!" with the requisite three exclamation points will evaluate, when looked back on, to just another ho-hum government power grab.

For example, Baby Bush vs. Al Gore was "the most crucial election in the history of the Republic!!!" but it turned out that Baby Bush increased the size of the government far more than the Republicans in Congress would ever have let Gore do, and started a couple of wars in the bargain.

We'll know things are getting better when not only are the elections not "the most crucial election in the history of the Republic!!!" but when the majority of people have trouble remembering when Election Day is, who the candidates are, and whether white is for Republicans or Democrats.

And of course we won't get to that place by "getting out the vote" and calling our congresscritters and watching debates: we'll get there by making the government irrelevant.

That's very true,... and the Democrats are screaming bloody murder over it.

There's a good chance that it will play a significant part in the Democrat primary.

But,.... but,.. then we won't get to vote for people like Fred Thompson and his cigar!

Where's the fun in that?!

When I review your threads of the past year, see your travels, accomplishments(including beautiful wife and daughter)and the autonomy you enjoyed and savored, it must be somewhat disheartening for you to come to the realization that your vision of the world has left you in such despair!!

You writer types have to have that turmoil, don't ya??

I'm liable ta cut off a fuggin' ear any day now,....

Better than Hemingway's version, I guess!!

Kerouac had the best idea, I'm afraid.

running to catch a plane, B., but seriously I am shocked that you are really disaffected enough to buy into the conspiracy fever swamps. Rationally, you know that anyone with a nodding acquaintance of politics, economics and/or the media can figure out that (a)there are no real benficiaries; (b)the people the nutjobs think are benficiaries could accomplish their aims far more simply and cheaply; (c)no conspiracy requiring the coordination of thousands of people with disparate interests could ever succeed in the first place, much less be covered up from a hostile media; and, most importantly (d) there is some basic moral hollowness that leads conspiracy buffs to casually conclude that the American government would murder thousands of innocents to propogate some ridiculous pointless plot.

I think acceptance of such theories is a red flag....suggests need for serious help. And I can't tell if you're just pulling my chain or you're serious. Got to run.