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look up the book of Isaiah in the Bible where the king Hezekia asked God for more life......and see what God did for him.
That changed Gods thoughts on the matter..
Prayer changes things..
In what ways have your prayers changed God's thoughts or plans?
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If I knew I’d be God.....
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And that is this biggest problem with religious types such as yourself. It is your unwillingness to ask the hard questions, such as does a given claim of a supernatural being meet it's burden of proof. If it does, is this being moral and ethical, and if not, would it be moral and ethical for me to follow it?
I don’t need proof if I have faith. Thank you! This get right to the heart of the matter I think,at least for me. Some people have faith in a certain set of beliefs,in this instance Christianity, and some don't. The big question that I've been trying to figure out for a long time is if there is a choice to be made to have faith or not. So far I can't really see how there is. The trouble arises when those with faith try to convince those without using evidence, or those without try to convince those with faith that they have evidence to the contrary. Invariably it seems one side finds the evidence convincing, the other doesn't. Again, I can't see a choice there, it just is what it is. How does one choose to believe what they find unbelievable? How can one stop believing something that they absolutely believe? I don't really have good answers to these questions, but they are the reason I follow these topics. I appreciate these questions. I believe scripture teaches that we are bound by our nature. We don't choose God because our nature is to rebel. We can only repent and believe when we've been given a new nature. That's the spiritual rebirth that Jesus spoke of with Nicademus. I find this forum format difficult to have a meaningful dialogue. I hope this helps.
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If I knew I’d be God..... So you have no clue what effect your prayers have on your God. but you think you can change his mind.
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Hey Starman, why don’t you start an unbeliever’s thread? Why do you want to dump on the believer’s thread?
Why are you so obsessed in our love of Jesus Christ our Lord?
Better yet, why don’t you have the balls to believe in Jesus Christ?
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Praying changes us. Not God.
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Trying to paint me in a corner huh?
Even if I gave several examples you would laugh them off and ridicule.
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Praying changes us. Not God. So Hezekia changed his own life expectancy?
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Better yet, why don’t you have the balls to believe in Jesus Christ? Sorry not into feeble minded mythological middle eastern cult figures... But nobody is stopping you.
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And the winner is......because my parents were. - - - No winner there - you are so very wrong. People who have had no contact with the bible or Christianity cannot become Christians, that can only happen through conditioning, conversion or people being drawn to the faith once it has been established....missionaries or evangelism at work, etc. You certainly live in a vacuum. There Muslims who became Christian because Jesus came to them. Read the book The Case For Miracles. I didn't expect you to understand what I said, and you have confirmed my expectation. Just a hint, it has nothing to do with the fact that some do happen to convert....which is what I said. Did you consider the fact that there are people who convert to Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, etc? What do you think that means?
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Better yet, why don’t you have the balls to believe in Jesus Christ? Sorry not into feeble minded mythological middle eastern cult figures... But nobody is stopping you. There you go, learn something new every day, I didn't think that it takes balls to be convinced that something is true.
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Better yet, why don’t you have the balls to believe in Jesus Christ? Sorry not into feeble minded mythological middle eastern cult figures... But nobody is stopping you. Why are you SO obsessed with Christianity?
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We seem to under a counter attack, I think we can stand up to it. 
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Trying to paint me in a corner huh?
Even if I gave several examples you would laugh them off and ridicule.
You paint yourself into a corner you goose. First you admit you don't know how effective your prayers are cause you ain't God.. Next you say you have some (secret) examples that (convinced?) you that your prayers worked. Make up your fvkng mind.
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Why are you SO obsessed with Christianity?
The tragic question is why are you so obsessed with ancient mythology, that you allow to control every part of you life?
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Trying to paint me in a corner huh?
Even if I gave several examples you would laugh them off and ridicule.
You paint yourself into a corner you goose. First you say you don't know how effective your prayers are cause you ain't God.. Next you say you have some (secret) examples that (convinced?) you that your prayers worked. See? Talking with you is like talking with a 2 yr old. I’m saying one thing and you are saying another. Calling names tells the audience you have nothing else to add so you delve into insults. Congratulations.
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NO, your posts clearly show you saying two different things regarding your prayers.
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You can come up with nothing better than a 41 verse Red Herring?
If you really thought this through, I think you could do much better, but, I suspect you are not comfortable with where it would lead.
Not a red herring in the least. I don’t care to question the most high God of the universe. The poem illustrates the gall of the man who presumes to question One who is outside time & space. Debating people who don’t see that as utter foolishness is a waste of time. As it is written, “For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,[g] in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools”
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Why are you SO obsessed with Christianity?
The tragic question is why are you so obsessed with ancient mythology, that you allow to control every part of you life? Prove that it’s ancient mythology. You have assumed the opposite of what you’re trying to prove, self-refuting. Your unbelief presupposes belief. Your unbelief is a secular myth and an embarrassment.
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The book of Job does not paint a nice picture of God or the company He keeps. Job is a wonderful account of God's grace and mercy.. Job was refined by fire and purified. Job at the end of the book is a better man than when it started. Job was initially said to be a righteous man, but somewhat self righteous. Job thought God was his ace card. When it's over, Job is God's ace card, not the other way around. The refiner's fire is usually pretty hot. Adversity makes one bitter or better depending on what he brings to the equation. Some understand it, some don't. Here's why: 1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV)
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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