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Even if I gave several examples you would laugh them off and ridicule.
Do you actually have such examples that convinced you your prayers worked? A simple yes or no will suffice.
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You can come up with nothing better than a 41 verse Red Herring?
If you really thought this through, I think you could do much better, but, I suspect you are not comfortable with where it would lead.
Not a red herring in the least. I don’t care to question the most high God of the universe. The poem illustrates the gall of the man who presumes to question One who is outside time & space. Debating people who don’t see that as utter foolishness is a waste of time. As it is written, “For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,[g] in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools” Your argument presupposed a lot, that your God exists, and that he's the "Most High God of the Universe". If that was the case, it should be self evident from the writings, morals, ethics, and values attributed to him. I just don't see that as being the case, so as a skeptic, it is my to question these writing as ask if they are relevant or outdated, necessary or arbitrary, helpful or oppressive.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Wouldn't teaching a child to believe in a pagan sect be considered child abuse? If that child believes in Jesus, it's way beyond child abuse. Mt 18:6 but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea. Morals do exist outside of organized religion, and the ‘morality’ taught by many of these archaic systems is often outdated, sexist, racist, and teaches intolerance and inequality. When a parent forces a child into a religion, the parent is effectively handicapping his or her own offspring by limiting the abilities of the child to question the world around him or her and make informed decisions. Children raised under these conditions will mature believing that their religion is the only correct one, and, in the case of Christianity, they will believe that all who doubt their religion’s validity will suffer eternal damnation. This environment is one that often breeds hate, ignorance, and ‘justified’ violence.” ― David G. McAfee
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Trying to paint me in a corner huh?
Even if I gave several examples you would laugh them off and ridicule.
Sounds like an admission to the weak nature of your examples. Lol. Let this cat be the pied piper of his “logic and reason”, marching over the hill to his land of bliss. Be done with this dude. There are sooooooo many places and people that you can spend your efforts on. I’d move on to better ground. So you are suggestion he move on to someone more gullible?
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Even if I gave several examples you would laugh them off and ridicule.
Do you actually have such examples that convinced you your prayers worked? A simple yes or no will suffice. Yes. Happy?
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Do you actually have such examples
that convinced you your prayers worked?
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Yes. Happy?
In what ways have your prayers changed God's
thoughts or plans?
Replied... If I knew I’d be God.....
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Pearls before swine is a waste of wealth...
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Swine? It is swine who like to think and question?
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Do you actually have such examples
that convinced you your prayers worked?
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Yes. Happy?
In what ways have your prayers changed God's
thoughts or plans?
Replied... If I knew I’d be God..... Was supposed to be “if I knew ALL I’d be God”
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No Tom, you are clearly confused.
How a person can be utterly convinced of such
things, while at the same time admitting he can't
truely know such things cause he ain't God,
Is nonsense talk,.. or is it just one of the mysteries Of Christianity?
Your God may not work by logic and reason
but you being only human should try it.
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Ok sure.
We’ll see when it all ends who’s the confused one.
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Ok sure.
We’ll see when it all ends who’s the confused one. What, more threats of Hell?
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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It’s not a threat.
It’s what’s written in The Bible.
I’m just repeating what it says.
Not my word.
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Trying to paint me in a corner huh?
Even if I gave several examples you would laugh them off and ridicule.
Sounds like an admission to the weak nature of your examples. Lol. Let this cat be the pied piper of his “logic and reason”, marching over the hill to his land of bliss. Be done with this dude. There are sooooooo many places and people that you can spend your efforts on. I’d move on to better ground. So you are suggestion he move on to someone more gullible? Laffin.....You know EXACTLY what I mean. There is no gray area here, and you know it!
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It’s not a threat.
It’s what’s written in The Bible.
I’m just repeating what it says.
Not my word. Of course it's a threat. You're like the mafia enforcer.....nice life you have here, it would be a shame if something happened to it. I'm not threatening you, I'm just relaying a message from The Boss. A threat delivered on behalf of someone else, even a mythical creature, is still a threat.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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It's a ruthless Boss who throws people into Hell for their beliefs or their lack of conviction. Reason would say: convince the person, not torture them.
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Antelope -sniper is like the rich man that fared sumptuously everyday, then died. One day, he’ll lift up his eyes, being in Hell, and beg for a single drop of water.
He is lost and has rejected God. My guess is he has crossed that line, so be done with him. Don’t argue, don’t explain....he has made his decision, let him die with it. You can pray for him, but not much else.
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Do you think you would be a Christian if you were born in Saudi Arabia?
Or India?
Or Japan?
Or Nepal? And not one direct answer to my questions. Do Christians believe that the other 3/4 of the world are going to hell? Yes. Is that direct? Very direct. So your God sent the vast majority of the humans who have ever lived to the earth merely to send them to Hell. I'll pass on that God.
Let's Go Brandon! FJB
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Yeah.
I’m done casting my pearls......
You guys win.
I tried.
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