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I went from scared to death of MILs to dialing and killing animals with my 3-9 in less than a month.
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Guys,, I was just bitchin. I probably could get the hang of it, but just dread it, or don't really want to. Dealing with one or 3 scopes in mil, & throw them in amongst 2 dozen scopes in moa just seems like it would be a cluster flop. I've beaten this horse before.
You may be underestimating yourself and missing out on a lot of fun. I read Formi's instructional post on the subject and got it. I then spent some time w/ a friends 308 CTR w/ the SS 3-9 and good dope and was hooked. It is so easy that even this 73 yo, flip phone toting boomer can do it. Knowing how to match POA w/ true POI is a revelation and a ton of fun. Warning, you will soon be buying a bunch of steel and upgrading your rangefinder.  They also are rugged and reliable and affordable, no down side. mike r Thanks miker, but I have a bunch of steel & my rangefinders are a Swarovski laser guide, A Leica LRF 900 & a Bushnell Arc 1000. My ballistic software does need a third upgrade though. I'll read the tutorial.
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Because they’re accepted as the SI unit of angular measure. Huh, now I’m beginning to wonder what the definition of a “Mathman” is...😱😂 My question was loaded. I'm wondering who can accurately define radian measure of angle without looking it up.
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Why not buy one and use it as a "set and forget" scope? You don't have to dial and holdover and all that fancy stuff if it scares you that badly. Just buy it for the ruggedness.
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Why not buy one and use it as a "set and forget" scope? You don't have to dial and holdover and all that fancy stuff if it scares you that badly. Just buy it for the ruggedness. If the OP chooses to go that route, he'll have a wait a while to buy a new SWFA 3-9. I ordered one at the end of the last Black Friday sale, and it is STILL backordered. They told me last week that the next load of them MIGHT be here in April. I love the SWFA 3x9 I have now, and also have an SHV 3-10. If you're not going to dial much the SHV is a nice scope. They are about the same weight, but the SWFA gives more latitude in mounting unless you use a rail.
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Because they’re accepted as the SI unit of angular measure. Huh, now I’m beginning to wonder what the definition of a “Mathman” is...😱😂 My question was loaded. I'm wondering who can accurately define radian measure of angle without looking it up. As I understand it, if you have a piece of pie, the distance around the curved part of the slice equals the distance of the legs. John
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You're right next to it John. A little careful language about subtended angle and such would finish it.
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Yes, I am still waiting for my Black Friday 3-9 also.
I have a Tikka 270 with a 3-9 in Sportsmatch rings that is near perfection at 7 3/4 lbs. I'm waiting on another 3-9 to replace the SWFA 6x I have on my Tikka 6.5 Creed. Once you find a good recipe, it's hard not to duplicate it. A Tikka, SWFA 3-9, and Sortsmatch rings are like ham, pintos, and cornbread. Mmm...
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Yes, I am still waiting for my Black Friday 3-9 also.
I have a Tikka 270 with a 3-9 in Sportsmatch rings that is near perfection at 7 3/4 lbs. I'm waiting on another 3-9 to replace the SWFA 6x I have on my Tikka 6.5 Creed. Once you find a good recipe, it's hard not to duplicate it. A Tikka, SWFA 3-9, and Sortsmatch rings are like ham, pintos, and cornbread. Mmm... Absolutely! I have the same combo (3-9 and Sportsmatch) on a Tikka SL in 6.5, and an older Tikka 7RM with the SWFA 6x but with Talleys. Good times.....
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A radian is a radian, period. It can be called metric if it's adopted as part of that system. Exactly. The radian is a mathematical construct that has been adopted as the unit of angular measure in the SI system, making it metric by adoption but not inherently. This may not be the exact mathematical definition, but a radian is simply the subtended angle by the radius of a circle over which the arc-length on the circle is equal to the radius.
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Yes, I am still waiting for my Black Friday 3-9 also.
I have a Tikka 270 with a 3-9 in Sportsmatch rings that is near perfection at 7 3/4 lbs. I'm waiting on another 3-9 to replace the SWFA 6x I have on my Tikka 6.5 Creed. Once you find a good recipe, it's hard not to duplicate it. A Tikka, SWFA 3-9, and Sortsmatch rings are like ham, pintos, and cornbread. Mmm... Absolutely! I have the same combo (3-9 and Sportsmatch) on a Tikka SL in 6.5, and an older Tikka 7RM with the SWFA 6x but with Talleys. Good times..... Peas and carrots as well on that combo. Tikka CTR 6.5 SWFA 3-9 in Vortex branded American made rings so I guess they don't make them and a Griffen SD-30 can is the shizzle. I've run this combo out to 950 yds. It's heavy with the can and bipod but allows the impact to be seen through the scope.
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Why not buy one and use it as a "set and forget" scope? You don't have to dial and holdover and all that fancy stuff if it scares you that badly. Just buy it for the ruggedness. Just playing around with the notion of what "I'd" like to have & probably not real clear about it. I like the 3-9 SWFA for it's price point when on sale, & it's reported ruggedness. Should be a good truck gun scope. Otherwise, I don''t think I'm scared of "fancy" stuff as I have no less than 11 scopes with target or tactical type knobs, & have been twisting them on a regular basis for over 25 years. They are in MOA though, so maybe that's not fancy.  I expect I could learn to sufficiently use the mil system but really don't want to. I also mentioned I would like SFP. I know the differences here, but just don't care for it, or don't feel it benefits me. It always cost extra when there is a choice, so why pay for it if ya don't want it?
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Why not the Nightforce SHV 3-10 then?
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Thinking a Meopta Moepro 4.5-14 with knobs might trump them both for price, features & weight. Just not quite the feedback of the other two.
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Why not buy one and use it as a "set and forget" scope? You don't have to dial and holdover and all that fancy stuff if it scares you that badly. Just buy it for the ruggedness. They could cap those big honking turrets and it wouldn’t piss a lot of people off.
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Why not buy one and use it as a "set and forget" scope? You don't have to dial and holdover and all that fancy stuff if it scares you that badly. Just buy it for the ruggedness. They could cap those big honking turrets and it wouldn’t piss a lot of people off. For sure! Seems weird that they don't offer it.
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The ‘fire is but a small sample....
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The ‘fire is but a small sample.... But the fanboys are quite the passionate bunch......
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I prefer a SFP in a scope under 10X. FFP in the lower powers makes the reticle so small it’s useless.
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I prefer a SFP in a scope under 10X. FFP in the lower powers makes the reticle so small it’s useless. But the reticle in the low powers of a SPF scope IS 100% useless lol
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