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I'm not going to read Crazy Bernie's BS, but if it's anything like Marx, your statement fits perfectly.

Marx was a raving lunatic!

I really don't like the responses I'm seeing here. You can not just dismiss these people out of had. These thoughts and ideas will become more mainstream as these people get older. You just can't write these people off with a "better red than dead" phrase. They must be allowed to speak their thoughts and ideas. Then hopefully, they can be shown in a logical and thought out manner why socialism will never work. One thing that has gone out the door is thoughtful debate and intellect. Anyway, my 2 cents.

There's a lot of truth in that..............half the country will never for GOP no matter who the Demon candidate is.................but a lot of them will / may likely stay home too.

If Bern were to be elected & implement his plans, there'd be no on left to tax after a couple of years as all his plan just keep adding up the "small" taxes on the same group of individual & corps..............country would be completely destitute in 5 years & there's be no freebies for anyone........................but I bet there'd be a fir amount of anarchy.

Guy's a flaming nut case that needs to be locked up.

MM

Every one of these socialism zealots sees themselves as the World's Robin Hood, out to "take from the rich and give to the poor" - except that they also realize that all that loot will pass through their all-powerful hands along the way. And some of it never manages the trip. If you've stolen once from the rich, what's the difference in stealing again? There has never, ever been a poor dictator.

I read the proposals and a sane person would be aghast at them. But his consistent voter turnout in the primaries shows the scary reality of human nature.

"Free stuff" is a powerful motivator and once received an even more powerful and incredibly addictive narcotic, and "we'll make those rich ass holes whom you envy and hate pay for it all" is an even bigger draw.

Most people do not think beyond the sphere of their own day to day lives and look for someone else to blame for all their troubles. That's what makes communism and class warfare so attractive - you get free stuff you don't have to work for and at the same time we punish the people who are 110% responsible for your life sucking like it does 'cause, ya know, it just can't be anything you're doing.

Anyone with half a brain can see how it absolutely kills the soul - three generations and counting of black and white trash welfare recipients, anybody? - and how it destroys countries.

But hey! Free Stuff!

why do folks waste time reading [bleep] from people they don't even consider voting for?? You know he is not what you want. Why further it?

This should be enough for anyone on here.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/gun-safety/

This pretty well sums it up. Democrats don't want an independent as their candidate and can't depend on the voters to make the right choice.

How is his plan going to be funded when the billionaires move to Morocco? A bit surprised to see that the top 1.8% of wage earners is only $250K/yr. Won't be long before $100K/yr is considered rich and will be taxed into oblivion.

He throws trillions around like millions......totally out of his mind, even with his BEST case scenario which ain't happening.

Issues
How Does Bernie Pay for His Major Plans?

Details
College for All and Cancel Student Debt

It will cost $2.2 trillion to make public colleges, universities and trade schools tuition-free and to cancel all student debt over the next decade. It is fully paid for by a modest tax on Wall Street speculation that will raise an estimated $2.4 trillion over ten years. Click here to read the plan.
Expanding Social Security

Bernie’s bill to expand Social Security will increase benefits for low-income senior citizens and people with disabilities by more than $1,300 a year. It is fully paid for by making the wealthiest 1.8 percent of Americans – those with incomes over $250,000 a year – pay the same rate into Social Security as working families.

This bill will also extend the solvency of Social Security into the year 2070 – ensuring that Social Security can pay every benefit owed to every eligible American for the next 50 years.

Click here to read the plan.
Housing for All

Bernie’s proposal to guarantee housing as a human right and to eliminate homelessness will cost $2.5 trillion over the next decade. It is fully paid for by a wealth tax on the top one-tenth of one percent – those who have a net worth of at least $32 million. (Bernie’s wealth tax will raise a total of $4.35 trillion.)

Click here to read Bernie's plan to tax on extreme wealth.
Universal Childcare/Pre-K

Bernie’s proposal to guarantee universal childcare and pre-school to every family in America who needs it will cost $1.5 trillion. It is fully paid for by a wealth tax on the top 0.1 percent – those who have a net worth of at least $32 million. (Bernie’s wealth tax will raise a total of $4.35 trillion.)

Click here to read the tax plan.
Eliminating Medical Debt

Bernie has introduced a proposal to eliminate all of the $81 billion in past due medical debt held by 79 million Americans. It is fully paid for by establishing an income inequality tax on large corporations that pay CEOs at least 50 times more than average workers. .

Click here to read the tax plan.
Green New Deal

The $16.3 trillion climate change proposal that Bernie has introduced will fundamentally transform our energy system away from fossil fuel and towards energy efficiency and renewable energy. It will also create 20 million good-paying union jobs in the process.

It is fully paid for by:

Raising $3.085 trillion by making the fossil fuel industry pay for their pollution, through litigation, fees, and taxes, and eliminating federal fossil fuel subsidies.
Generating $6.4 trillion in revenue from the wholesale of energy produced by the regional Power Marketing Administrations. This revenue will be collected from 2023-2035, and after 2035 electricity will be virtually free, aside from operations and maintenance costs.
Reducing defense spending by $1.215 trillion by scaling back military operations on protecting the global oil supply.
Collecting $2.3 trillion in new income tax revenue from the 20 million new jobs created by the plan.
Saving $1.31 trillion by reduced the need for federal and state safety net spending due to the creation of millions of good-paying, unionized jobs.
Raising $2 trillion in revenue by making large corporations pay their fair share of taxes.

Key Points:

By averting climate catastrophe we will save: $2.9 trillion over 10 years, $21 trillion over 30 years and $70.4 trillion over 80 years.
If we do not act, the U.S. will lose $34.5 trillion by the end of the century in economic productivity.

Click here to read the tax plan.
Medicare for All

According to a February 15, 2020 study by epidemiologists at Yale University, the Medicare for All bill that Bernie wrote would save over $450 billion in health care costs and prevent 68,000 unnecessary deaths – each and every year.

Since 2016, Bernie has proposed a menu of financing options that would more than pay for the Medicare for All legislation he has introduced according to the Yale study.

These options include:

Creating a 4 percent income-based premium paid by employees, exempting the first $29,000 in income for a family of four.

In 2018, the typical working family paid an average of $6,015 in premiums to private health insurance companies. Under this option, a typical family of four earning $60,000, would pay a 4 percent income-based premium to fund Medicare for All on income above $29,000 – just $1,240 a year – saving that family $4,775 a year. Families of four making less than $29,000 a year would not pay this premium.

(Revenue raised: About $4 trillion over 10 years.)

Imposing a 7.5 percent income-based premium paid by employers, exempting the first $1 million in payroll to protect small businesses.

In 2018, employers paid an average of $14,561 in private health insurance premiums for a worker with a family of four. Under this option, employers would pay a 7.5 percent payroll tax to help finance Medicare for All – just $4,500 – a savings of more than $10,000 a year.

(Revenue raised: Over $5.2 trillion over 10 years.)

Eliminating health tax expenditures, which would no longer be needed under Medicare for All.

(Revenue raised: About $3 trillion over 10 years.)

Raising the top marginal income tax rate to 52% on income over $10 million.

(Revenue raised: About $700 billion over 10 years.)

Replacing the cap on the state and local tax deduction with an overall dollar cap of $50,000 for a married couple on all itemized deductions.

(Revenue raised: About $400 billion over 10 years.)

Taxing capital gains at the same rates as income from wages and cracking down on gaming through derivatives, like-kind exchanges, and the zero tax rate on capital gains passed on through bequests.

(Revenue raised: About $2.5 trillion over 10 years.)

Enacting the For the 99.8% Act, which returns the estate tax exemption to the 2009 level of $3.5 million, closes egregious loopholes, and increases rates progressively including by adding a top tax rate of 77% on estate values in excess of $1 billion.

(Revenue raised: $336 billion over 10 years.)

Enacting corporate tax reform including restoring the top federal corporate income tax rate to 35 percent.

(Revenue raised: $3 trillion ,of which $1 trillion would be used to help finance Medicare for All and $2 trillion would be used for the Green New Deal.)

Using $350 billion of the amount raised from the tax on extreme wealth to help finance Medicare for All.

Man I'm glad I read all that now. I think I won't vote for him........

Not sure on O'Numbnuts, but negatory on the Hildabeast. she got 48.2% of the total votes cast in 2016. There were over 5 million votes cast for neither the Beast or Trump.

Bubba Clinton got in in 1992 with 43% of the popular vote. but for Perot, Bush sr would have been a shoo-in.
Bubba also failed to get over 50% of the vote in 1996.

It’s like he doesn’t expect people to alter their behavior to avoid taxes but just to line up and do what they’re told. Like his wealth inequality tax on companies that are paying the ceo 50x the companies average wage, I would imagine if this ever passes a whole lot of companies are just going to pay the ceo 48x

My biggest fear is that the leftist indoctrinators in the schools have created a giant group of useful idiots that will out vote sane people in about 20 years (think that Thunberg idiot multiplied by the millions). Things really do not look good for the future without some major intervention.

He should be run out of the country.

Epic was Reagan over Mondale.

Trump would indeed wipe him out, probably worse than Hil, but there are just too many loony leftists out there to go completely epic.

Those good old days are behind us I'm afraid.

Exactly. Like his proposed tax on stock trading. Short term trading would just go away taking with it the market liquidity that everyone now days is used to.

So should teachers.

This exactly what we are facing in 2024. I think Trump will win this year but the next election could see the liberals back in control.