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What empirical evidence do you have that your book is for real and every other book is false --
Fubarski is one the most logical Intel. Christians here Not even he could present a sound case that proves all other God's false. I see no good evidence that He doesn’t exist. Nor good evidence others gods don't also exist. .... lest you can surprise us You and alla the other members a the atheist circle jerk keep runnin that mantra bout the burden a proof, as if postin it a million times will cause it to magically become true. The books that have been given humanity provide enough evidence for a person to have faith in a supreme being. Be too easy if it was just proved up. Would let anybody wanna believe. But bein faithful ain't easy, nor supposed ta be. Takes intelligence, effort, and a little grace throwed in. That's why you atheists can't measure up. And you never will, unless you quit playin your troll games, and open your minds. Alla the atheist trolls here do is puke stupidity at each other in ever religion thread, all those wasted posts showin how desperate they are ta try and convince themselves they're not just gonna be dust when it's over. But the trolls gotta keep postin, cause that fear don't go away. And it won't ever go away.
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I think it's great you can quote a book, but why should I believe your particular book and not someone else's?
What empirical evidence do you have that your book is for real and every other book is false -- I need this criteria before I can accept you are correct.
This is serious business because according to you I'm going to burn for eternity. Surely there is a substantial amount of criteria to determine fairy tale from reality, right?
The most documented legal historical evidence prior to the printing press is the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus. Do some research. For the sake of argument, let's say we accept your statement face value even though you failed to prove it. The bible has plenty of incorrect historical "facts" in it. Does popularity determine truth? For being the most documented thing before the printing press, you'd think the authors wouldn't be anonymous right?
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The most documented legal historical evidence prior to the printing press is the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus. Do some research.
Flavius Josephus wrote in 93 AD, what would he know first hand of a Jesus?... and what little he did write is disputable. Some 20 yr later we then have Roman politician dudes Pliny and Tacitus, but if you study scholarly Roman empire history, which often references them, we find their accounts of significant Roman empire details at times vague, sketchy, incomplete, innaccurate, and in conflict with others accounts. They are not an absolute or always reliable source on The Romans themselves, far less so for scant details on a much more vague and far less relevant Jesus character. >> Which ancient non-religious sources of scholarly repute of such period give account of a Jesus doing miracles, resurrecting, and dissapearing in the sky?
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Look folks, it is the only chance we have, pulse, a Big Pulse, it just happens to be True.
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What empirical evidence do you have that your book is for real and every other book is false --
Fubarski is one the most logical Intel. Christians here Not even he could present a sound case that proves all other God's false. I see no good evidence that He doesn’t exist. Nor good evidence others gods don't also exist. .... lest you can surprise us You and alla the other members a the atheist circle jerk keep runnin that mantra bout the burden a proof, as if postin it a million times will cause it to magically become true. The books that have been given humanity provide enough evidence for a person to have faith in a supreme being. Be too easy if it was just proved up. Would let anybody wanna believe. But bein faithful ain't easy, nor supposed ta be. Takes intelligence, effort, and a little grace throwed in. That's why you atheists can't measure up. And you never will, unless you quit playin your troll games, and open your minds. Alla the atheist trolls here do is puke stupidity at each other in ever religion thread, all those wasted posts showin how desperate they are ta try and convince themselves they're not just gonna be dust when it's over. But the trolls gotta keep postin, cause that fear don't go away. And it won't ever go away. Burden of proof is factually true until you can prove it is not, you're simply illogical. If you do not value things based on facts, evidence and truth, then the things you value aren't valuable. Which books and which supreme being? Believing in something without proving it is much easier. I'm sure when you were in school and someone asked you what 2 + 3 is, you didn't say 18. No, you probably added it up and proved it was 5 -- much harder than just making up a number and believing it on faith and expecting the teacher to do so as well. I'm fine with being dust when it's over.... why would I fear that? The universe was here billions of years before I was born, and hey, I was just fine with that. It'll be fine without me too.
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.. For being the most documented thing before the printing press, you'd think the authors wouldn't be anonymous right?
Folks for the large part were still widely illiterate for some centuries after the printing press of the 15th century. Anyway we wait for Ringo to provide his reputable and impartial - 'Legal historical evidence' of a Jesus resurrection.
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Before a god can say anything he must exist, for which I see no good evidence. I see no good evidence that He doesn’t exist. And what happens if you apply your same standard to the gods of Hinduism, Islam, and Buddhism, and a thousand other religions?
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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.. For being the most documented thing before the printing press, you'd think the authors wouldn't be anonymous right?
Folks for the large part were still widely illiterate for some centuries after the printing press of the 15th century. Ah.... so many of the stories must have been passed down orally. Ever play that game where you get in a circle and whisper the same sentence person to person and see what comes out the other side? The multiply it by 1500 years! ;-) No wonder no one knows who the original authors are..... but I'm speaking to the choir!
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Before a god can say anything he must exist, for which I see no good evidence. I see no good evidence that He doesn’t exist. And what happens if you apply your same standard to the gods of Hinduism, Islam, and Buddhism, and a thousand other religions? I'm betting his criteria for determining existence immediately vanishes and a quick retreat happens! :-) (nice catch!)
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Who said GOD wanted to touch you? You may have plenty of time to remember what I said while sweating in Hell after you're dead. "Judge not lest YE (that's you) be judged" said Jesus. I think I would give up this line of attack. It's counterproductive. "Let your light shine". I've had cows you couldn't drive anywhere but they could be led with a bucket if I showed them I had something they wanted.
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Jesus: "Take heed that no man deceive you." Hebrew Roots Judaizer
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I've never read the bible, but that sounds like a cruel excuse. How do you know which bits Jesus was supposed to have written? Even Christians admit he didn't write any of it. Not one word. Not one jot, nor a single tittle.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Before a god can say anything he must exist, for which I see no good evidence. I see no good evidence that He doesn’t exist. And what happens if you apply your same standard to the gods of Hinduism, Islam, and Buddhism, and a thousand other religions? Someone gets it. mike r
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My prognosticating comes from HIS words, but thanks, Hastings.
I do pray all are blessed according to their needs and pray they accept Christ as Saviour and become believers.
Dear Lord please forgive me for when I have judged. In Jesus name, Amen.
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And what happens if you apply your same standard to the gods of Hinduism, Islam, and Buddhism, and a thousand other religions? I've said before that there's a lot of overlap and Jesus' message wasn't all that new. Mostly reiterated a message that was being given lip service or outright ignored by the religious hierarchy of the Jews. And true to form they killed him for pointing it out.
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Jesus: "Take heed that no man deceive you." Hebrew Roots Judaizer
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Before a god can say anything he must exist, for which I see no good evidence. I see no good evidence that He doesn’t exist. And what happens if you apply your same standard to the gods of Hinduism, Islam, and Buddhism, and a thousand other religions? I don’t. Atheism requires a God for you not to believe in. You rail against theists while using the same fervor that religious zealots use when making their claims against a secular society and for the existence of God. You are extremely religious about your disbelief.
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I've never read the bible, but that sounds like a cruel excuse. How do you know which bits Jesus was supposed to have written? Even Christians admit he didn't write any of it. Not one word. Not one jot, nor a single tittle. So what does it mean that HE didnt write it. Does Trump write down his message to his people, or tell them? Do you not have a secretary or scribe? HE didnt need to write it. HE had it written. HE has inspired better men than you. He doesnt need to tell the sun to come up tomorrow. HE told it to come up every day ages ago. HE is even using you to fulfill HIS scripture: Most importantly, I want to remind you that in the last days scoffers will come, mocking the truth and following their own desires. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, REBUKING, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
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Atheism requires a God for you not to believe in. wtf?
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I've never read the bible, but that sounds like a cruel excuse. How do you know which bits Jesus was supposed to have written? The most printed book in the world and you haven't read it. How can you claim to be educated?
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Tell us, when things are the darkest, where do you turn?
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Reading fiction doesn't make you educated.
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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