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Originally Posted by UPhiker
Germany declared war on us.


That is some weak tea, in the face of documentary evidence of FDR & his coterie actively plotting to get us involved in a war with Japan and Germany. In case you were wondering, FDR's conspiracy (reality not theory--look at the docs) was successful.

For the record, the smart play for WWI: Stay out of it and let them fight to exhaustion. Same with WWII. If Churchill and Chamberlain had British well-being in mind, they would have never declared war on Germany and let the two regimes in the east duke out. But, Churchill had an expensive lifestyle. Lucky for him, he had some good friends who would lend or give him even more money for some teensy little favor here & there.


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by UPhiker
Germany declared war on us.

That occurred automatically due to their mutual defense pact with Japan, which was precisely what the communist FDR was counting on.

Wrong. It was a defensive treaty in case one of the Axis was attacked. I bet you get all the women you want when you dress up in your Gestapo uniform.

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Originally Posted by UPhiker
Germany declared war on us.


That is some weak tea, in the face of documentary evidence of FDR & his coterie actively plotting to get us involved in a war with Japan and Germany. In case you were wondering, FDR's conspiracy (reality not theory--look at the docs) was successful.

For the record, the smart play for WWI: Stay out of it and let them fight to exhaustion. Same with WWII. If Churchill and Chamberlain had British well-being in mind, they would have never declared war on Germany and let the two regimes in the east duke out. But, Churchill had an expensive lifestyle. Lucky for him, he had some (((good friends))) who would lend or give him even more money for some teensy little favor here & there.

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Originally Posted by UPhiker
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by UPhiker
Germany declared war on us.

That occurred automatically due to their mutual defense pact with Japan, which was precisely what the communist FDR was counting on.

Wrong. It was a defensive treaty in case one of the Axis was attacked. I bet you get all the women you want when you dress up in your Gestapo uniform.

Germany clearly had the snazziest uniforms of the war.

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Originally Posted by UPhiker
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by UPhiker
Germany declared war on us.

That occurred automatically due to their mutual defense pact with Japan, which was precisely what the communist FDR was counting on.

Wrong. It was a defensive treaty in case one of the Axis was attacked. I bet you get all the women you want when you dress up in your Gestapo uniform.


Sure, you may have lost the discussion on the basis of evidence in a spectacular manner...but calling TRH a Nazi wannabe has totally brought me around.


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Note to self:
When reason, logic, and evidence fail me; next best tactic: call the other guy a Nazi. Seems to work for some folks.


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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I didn't forget it NOR did I justify the whole concept of the Corridor, which was clearly a poke in the eye at the Germans for starting WWI (they did you know). I was just addressing what constitutes starting a war. Polish aggression? lol. You must have quite a library of Leni Riefenstahl films..

Do you dispute that more than 300 Germans living in Poland were randomly executed by the Polish Army just days before the German invasion of that nation in an effort to put a stop to the slaughter? This was the pinnacle of Polish aggression against ethnic Germans in Poland. It wasn't a one off affair.

PS Austria (not Germany) declared war on Serbia after a Serbian assassinated the Arch Duke. This was the start of WWI. Was it the assassination that started it? The Austrian declaration of war? The allies of Serbia joining in against Austria, and her allies? All the above? But it wasn't Germany.


You need to read more. Half truths are worse than misinformation (fake news). All of the above were a sequence of events that got the ball rolling, but the key to ALL of these were two"
1. Mobilization (General Staffs were paranoid and didn't want to get caught flat footed), so ostensibly it was almost a de facto declaration of "intent" to go to war (so see who mobilized first)
2. The 500 lb gorilla in the room was England and they did not pull the trigger until Germany violated Belgian neutrality because they were so married to the Schieffen Plan they refused to deviate. So much so, there was a last ditch attempt by the Kaiser himself to stop, but von Moltke (the junior) told him "too late your majesty, the troop trains are already rolling." Bottom line, no invasion of Belgium, no war with the western allies.


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Originally Posted by jorgeI
You need to read more. Half truths are worse than misinformation (fake news). All of the above were a sequence of events that got the ball rolling, but the key to ALL of these were two"
1. Mobilization (General Staffs were paranoid and didn't want to get caught flat footed), so ostensibly it was almost a de facto declaration of "intent" to go to war (so see who mobilized first)
2. The 500 lb gorilla in the room was England and they did not pull the trigger until Germany violated Belgian neutrality because they were so married to the Schieffen Plan they refused to deviate. So much so, there was a last ditch attempt by the Kaiser himself to stop, but von Moltke (the junior) told him "too late your majesty, the troop trains are already rolling." Bottom line, no invasion of Belgium, no war with the western allies.

It's arguable whether the invasion of Belgium was a good move, but Germany had to bring the war to the allies at that point due to massive British and French mobilization that was underway in France for war with Germany. Had they waited for them to strike first on German soil, the Germans would have been at a huge disadvantage.

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