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Western civilization began long before Christianity. And...? Regardless...are you denying the positive impact of Christianity upon Western Civilization...? The church went a long way in ushering in the dark ages, suppressing progress. And yeah, I know the Irish Monks did their bit in preserving manuscripts from the classical era, but that's not the point. Rather than the church hierarchy or christian doctrine that brought on the enlightenment, it was the inquiring minds of gifted thinkers who thought outside of the teachings of the church. Your prejudice is amazing. The Creationists Christians are the ones who brought us out of the dark ages. Stop reading atheist's propaganda, man. You are not even close. We recovered in spite of, not because of theocratic dogma. Ringman mentions prejudice.  It would be funnier if Jax mentioned it.
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This was not a debate. You high jacked the thread to push your agenda. It was, again, asking WHY you are a Christian.
What's the problem with understanding that? If you cant understand simple 4th grade English how do you expect to understand HIM.
SHEESH. No wonder you cant understand HIM saying you must believe and have faith. You think having faith means having proof.
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Look at your own response, lowdown and dirty, insulting and cowardly. Let's point out cowardly. You steal the password of a legit 2004 account in 2016, so your troll BS will seem legit. Then you do nothin but troll religion threads constantly, though claimin ta be an atheist, who would not be interested in such threads, less that atheist was a lyin POS. Contribute absolutely nothing to the forum. Is that representative of religion thread trolls? If so, it should be argued against. That comes across as delusional. I don't steal passwords or accounts. You are off the rails. Didn't you accuse Starman of doing that? Or perhaps you imagine only one antagonist who 'stole' multiple accounts? That's what you call paranoia. Utterly delusional. Please seek professional help. Starfister's a troll that doesn't try ta hide it, like you do. Least he's? honest bout bein a troll. Your handle's history is easy for anybody on the fire ta see. End a 2016, you hacked the account and trolled on nothin but religion threads since. There for everbody ta see. You're a sick bastard.
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Christianity offers peace..... You seem to forget the Inquisition and Conquistadors. Neither exactly brought peace, unless you count the peace of the dead....But Christians believe there is not peace in the afterlife for their victims, but eternal torment.....
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s Someone new just reading here might think the idea was to drive non believers away. Sir, respectfully, you start a great many of these threads...knowing ahead of time that once the resident atheists show up...it’s gonna become what it often does. Unfortunately. It’d be no different if one started a thread titled ‘Why are you a Conservative’ and then when the resident liberals showed up it’d turn into the same kinda mess. Yes, the attacking posts are now as predictable as a summer sunrise, However, I'm not at all certain that the attackers are actually "atheists" as such. To call them that might be giving them more credence than deserved. Obviously, they are seeking to bait Christians and stir animosity - possibly simply because they cannot stand for fellow humans to be secure in such rewarding beliefs when they, themselves, cannot reach that state or condition. Predictable, but maybe not easily understood. If you started threads with titles like "Why are you an Atheist?" or "Why are you a liberal?" Would they NOT turn into identical messes? You should try it.  We've already ran that experiment. Second poster was Jax.... Kind of Ironic.... Jax, who complained bitterly about the morality of atheists posting on Christian threads. makes my point. People want to complain, no matter what. If all the atheists and "trolls" and "liberals" disappeared from this site overnight, the whining would still go on unabated from the same people.
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makes my point. People want to complain, no matter what. If all the atheists and "trolls" and "liberals" disappeared from this site overnight, the whining would still go on unabated from the same people. Let's use the scientific method. GTFO, and we'll see what happens.
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Look at your own response, lowdown and dirty, insulting and cowardly. Let's point out cowardly. You steal the password of a legit 2004 account in 2016, so your troll BS will seem legit. Then you do nothin but troll religion threads constantly, though claimin ta be an atheist, who would not be interested in such threads, less that atheist was a lyin POS. Contribute absolutely nothing to the forum. Is that representative of religion thread trolls? If so, it should be argued against. That comes across as delusional. I don't steal passwords or accounts. You are off the rails. Didn't you accuse Starman of doing that? Or perhaps you imagine only one antagonist who 'stole' multiple accounts? That's what you call paranoia. Utterly delusional. Please seek professional help. Starfister's a troll that doesn't try ta hide it, like you do. Least he's? honest bout bein a troll. Your handle's history is easy for anybody on the fire ta see. End a 2016, you hacked the account and trolled on nothin but religion threads since. There for everbody ta see. You're a sick bastard. Completely and utterly delusional. Considering your false accusations I'm going to report your post.
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s Someone new just reading here might think the idea was to drive non believers away. Sir, respectfully, you start a great many of these threads...knowing ahead of time that once the resident atheists show up...it’s gonna become what it often does. Unfortunately. It’d be no different if one started a thread titled ‘Why are you a Conservative’ and then when the resident liberals showed up it’d turn into the same kinda mess. Yes, the attacking posts are now as predictable as a summer sunrise, However, I'm not at all certain that the attackers are actually "atheists" as such. To call them that might be giving them more credence than deserved. Obviously, they are seeking to bait Christians and stir animosity - possibly simply because they cannot stand for fellow humans to be secure in such rewarding beliefs when they, themselves, cannot reach that state or condition. Predictable, but maybe not easily understood. If you started threads with titles like "Why are you an Atheist?" or "Why are you a liberal?" Would they NOT turn into identical messes? You should try it. We've already ran that experiment. Second poster was Jax.... Kind of Ironic.... Jax, who complained bitterly about the morality of atheists posting on Christian threads. One side is trying to shut down debate. One isn't. Kind of telling.... It is not a debate. You're crashing a thread.
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The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
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Christianity offers peace..... You seem to forget the Inquisition and Conquistadors. Neither exactly brought peace, unless you count the peace of the dead....But Christians believe there is not peace in the afterlife for their victims, but eternal torment..... You'll never know the peace he's referring to, without changing your ways or HIM opening your eyes, which is why you can't rest without injecting your poison onto Christian threads like a pissant stinging an elephant. You sure are changing a lot of believers minds. 
Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
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Completely and utterly delusional. Ad hominem! Ad hominem! LOL
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Christianity is based on the words of the gospel authors who wrote about what they heard, and Paul based on his subjective conversion experience. Christianity is based on legal historical evidence of a risen Jesus Christ. Both protagonists and antagonists wrote about Him. I remember one Caesar claimed Jesus tricked people into believing He had been killed and raised. The problem with that is there were Roman government eye witnesses who saw Jesus dead; and in frustration stabbed Him with a spear. That's why the early manuscripts spread so much. They were read by someone who was a witness or knew someone who was a reliable witness. I think you may be defining 'legal' somewhat loosely, to put it mildly. Nobody would define the new testament as a legal document. You are showing ignorant prejudice here. Do a little reading about Simon Greenleaf. He wrote the rules for evidence that are still being used in courts.
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Some where it is written, "They shall know we are Christians by our love." How about letting that show some? Not here. Here it is wirtten "They shall show they are campfire citizens by their hate." And so it is. Based on the response of a few posters on this forum, I get the impression that some Christians embody hate and intolerance.
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makes my point. People want to complain, no matter what. If all the atheists and "trolls" and "liberals" disappeared from this site overnight, the whining would still go on unabated from the same people. Let's use the scientific method. GTFO, and we'll see what happens. Yup, you just completed the experiment. Hypothesis upheld, null defeated.
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Some where it is written, "They shall know we are Christians by our love." How about letting that show some? Not here. Here it is wirtten "They shall show they are campfire citizens by their hate." And so it is. Based on the response of a few posters on this forum, I get the impression that some Christians embody hate and intolerance. Quite a few actually. Probably most - on the forum.
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makes my point. People want to complain, no matter what. If all the atheists and "trolls" and "liberals" disappeared from this site overnight, the whining would still go on unabated from the same people. Let's use the scientific method. GTFO, and we'll see what happens. Yup, you just completed the experiment. Hypothesis upheld, null defeated. Can't happen, til your troll ass is outta here. Give peace a chance.
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Some where it is written, "They shall know we are Christians by our love." How about letting that show some? Not here. Here it is wirtten "They shall show they are campfire citizens by their hate." And so it is. Based on the response of a few posters on this forum, I get the impression that some Christians embody hate and intolerance. HE hated Essau. Now I can see why. Why not start your own thread and see if we interfere? You're too gutless. You'd be embarrassed the haters didnt show up to party. Then, we would know who the haters really are.
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The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
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s Someone new just reading here might think the idea was to drive non believers away. Sir, respectfully, you start a great many of these threads...knowing ahead of time that once the resident atheists show up...it’s gonna become what it often does. Unfortunately. It’d be no different if one started a thread titled ‘Why are you a Conservative’ and then when the resident liberals showed up it’d turn into the same kinda mess. Yes, the attacking posts are now as predictable as a summer sunrise, However, I'm not at all certain that the attackers are actually "atheists" as such. To call them that might be giving them more credence than deserved. Obviously, they are seeking to bait Christians and stir animosity - possibly simply because they cannot stand for fellow humans to be secure in such rewarding beliefs when they, themselves, cannot reach that state or condition. Predictable, but maybe not easily understood. If you started threads with titles like "Why are you an Atheist?" or "Why are you a liberal?" Would they NOT turn into identical messes? You should try it. We've already ran that experiment. Second poster was Jax.... Kind of Ironic.... Jax, who complained bitterly about the morality of atheists posting on Christian threads. One side is trying to shut down debate. One isn't. Kind of telling.... It is not a debate. You're crashing a thread. You are such a hypocrite.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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You sure are changing a lot of believers minds. More than you know.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Christianity is based on the words of the gospel authors who wrote about what they heard, and Paul based on his subjective conversion experience. Christianity is based on legal historical evidence of a risen Jesus Christ. Both protagonists and antagonists wrote about Him. I remember one Caesar claimed Jesus tricked people into believing He had been killed and raised. The problem with that is there were Roman government eye witnesses who saw Jesus dead; and in frustration stabbed Him with a spear. That's why the early manuscripts spread so much. They were read by someone who was a witness or knew someone who was a reliable witness. I think you may be defining 'legal' somewhat loosely, to put it mildly. Nobody would define the new testament as a legal document. You are showing ignorant prejudice here. Do a little reading about Simon Greenleaf. He wrote the rules for evidence that are still being used in courts. Testimony is a form of evidence, but witnesses are notoriously unreliable. Which is why independent corroboration and physical evidence is indispensable, otherwise it's one person's word against another with no way to determine what actually happened. We don't even have eyewitness accounts in the gospels, nor was Paul aware of some of the gospel stories about Jesus, apparently being later additions.
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