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And tell me you never shot a squirrel with a 180g 30-06.
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375 Ruger, 30-06 on steroids. Shoots a heavier bullet with similar ballistics. Minimum for dangerous game in some countries..
Nothing like a Remington 700xcr.
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Well 458 WIN ( Phil Shoemaker) says the 30-06 is entirely adequate for Brown bear SO....
The 30-06 is a BETTER all around cartridge. Jerry
For people who hunt brown bears,which ain't many. But an awful lot of folks seem worried about running into them and want to know what sort of protection they need. I will say if I hunted in brown bear country, I would look at things differently. Mainly, being more careful in camp, and trying to avoid running into them when out and about. And using a bigger bullet maybe.
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People who live in Alaska and on the continental divide where Elk, and dangerous game exist... yep. 06
East of that or absent of those 308
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Mine is a .338 win mag but don't do much outside Alaska. If I lived down south a 30-06 would be a good choice. My best buddy hunts exclusively with an 06 here. He does well.
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Mine is a .338 win mag but don't do much outside Alaska. I hear ya and.... I HAD a 338 WM and that particular rifle kicked WORSE than a 375 HH that a friend had and he let me play with it. I'd rather shoot a 375 HH than <THAT> particular rifle. In a rifle with a better stock and RECOIL pad... I would consider the 338 WM, living in Alaska. Jerry
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I'll venture to guess that 95% (or close thereto) of the members of this forum could have randomly picked any cartridge available from 243 on up when we started hunting and we would have accomplished everything we have accomplished with our variety of rifles that we have owned. That other 5% are those lucky enough to have hunted the dark continent and the great bears. Heck, maybe even include the starting point of 223 instead of 243 and that would probably still ring true.
If you are one of those who shot an elk with a 338 through brush which would never allow a lesser bullet to pass through, you are probably still a member of that 5%.
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If you are one of us who shot an elk with a 338 through brush which would never allow a lesser bullet to pass through …
I'd say you're lucky that 338 got through brush.
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If you are one of us who shot an elk with a 338 through brush which would never allow a lesser bullet to pass through …
I'd say you're lucky that 338 got through brush. Not me. Nice catch. By "us" I meant forum members. It has just been touted often as why large calibers are needed. I'll change that so nobody else thinks me reckless.
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. What cartridge makes a better ***all-around*** cartridge than the .30-06? >>.340 Roy << where you gonna buy 280 AI ammo ? All around includes more than the cartridge itself.
All round encompasses different things for different people... and for some not being able to find ammo just about anywhere ain't a big deal.
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. What cartridge makes a better ***all-around*** cartridge than the .30-06? >>.340 Roy << where you gonna buy 280 AI ammo ? All around includes more than the cartridge itself.
All round encompasses different things for different people... and for some not being able to find ammo just about anywhere ain't a big deal. How many people can handle the recoil unbraked?
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. What cartridge makes a better ***all-around*** cartridge than the .30-06? >>.340 Roy << where you gonna buy 280 AI ammo ? All around includes more than the cartridge itself.
All round encompasses different things for different people... and for some not being able to find ammo just about anywhere ain't a big deal. Where can you hunt in North America where you can't bring ammo?
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I remember reading an article by Townsend Whelen entitled, "Rifles for the Wilderness Lover." ( Gun Digest Treasury).
He came to the conclusion, that if big bears were not a factor, his chambering choice for his ideal wilderness rifle was NOT the 30-06, NOT the 257 Roberts, and NOT the 35 Whelen, but the...
...270 Winchester.
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where you gonna buy 280 AI ammo ? All around includes more than the cartridge itself.
All round encompasses different things for different people... and for some not being able to find ammo just about anywhere ain't a big deal. Starman (?) what planet you from ? Dream On, Dream On. Jerry
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Where can you hunt in North America where you can't bring ammo?
Oh yeah. Traveling hunters don't ever get separated from the AMMO ? What about rifles, even ? IT happens......then what ? Jerry
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Hard to beat the -06. Then again if you aren't a pussy nothing beats Holland's 3/8 bore!
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Of course, I'll channeling for 'Stick when I say 7-08 wit 7.5 twist or better.
And that's a good solution, too, except you have to hand load for it to be in the running.
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And tell me you never shot a squirrel with a 180g 30-06. Nope, but did shoot a crow on the last hour of the last day with an 180 gr. '06 that my hunting partner swore the scope wasn't right. Turns out the scope was just fine. Musta been operator error...
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Oh yeah. Traveling hunters don't ever get separated from the AMMO ? What about rifles, even ?
IT happens......then what ?
How many times have you been separated from your ammo where having a coke can common .30-06 would have saved your hunt? Elgin Gates travelled the world with a .300 Roy.. Elmer Keith went to Africa with his .280 wildcat
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