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Originally Posted by Old_Toot
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Cheap/slave labor isn't the only reason companies went to China. There's EPA regulations, OSHA regulations, union labor demands, burocratic red tape, high taxes, etc.,etc.
They might leave China but I doubt many come back here


+1. There has been a lot of movement to India in the past few months. Indian Prime minister met with Trump a few months ago. They are smarter then the Chinese and are not warmongers. It will be very very interesting.


They are not smarter than the Chinese.



Don't even go there. I have been in IT for 40 years, I have never ever seen a Chinee that can code .

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Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by NVhntr
Cheap/slave labor isn't the only reason companies went to China. There's EPA regulations, OSHA regulations, union labor demands, burocratic red tape, high taxes, etc.,etc.
They might leave China but I doubt many come back here


+1. There has been a lot of movement to India in the past few months. Indian Prime minister met with Trump a few months ago. They are smarter then the Chinese and are not warmongers. It will be very very interesting.


They are not smarter than the Chinese.



Don't even go there. I have been in IT for 40 years, I have never ever seen a Chinee that can code .


I have.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by NVhntr
Cheap/slave labor isn't the only reason companies went to China. There's EPA regulations, OSHA regulations, union labor demands, burocratic red tape, high taxes, etc.,etc.
They might leave China but I doubt many come back here


+1. There has been a lot of movement to India in the past few months. Indian Prime minister met with Trump a few months ago. They are smarter then the Chinese and are not warmongers. It will be very very interesting.


They are not smarter than the Chinese.



Don't even go there. I have been in IT for 40 years, I have never ever seen a Chinee that can code .


I have.


How big a sample size did you deal with?

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Never happen. Chinese labor is far too cheap. And will only get cheaper with this.

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Will the EPA back off some of the craziness so that products needed to make things can be used in America?

Trump has cut a lot of govt crap and red tape designed to run cos out of the US. Hes fixing to cut more.


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There is always another China. Ask the Japs


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Never happen. Chinese labor is far too cheap. And will only get cheaper with this.


Price of doing business there has really gone up plus you lose intellectual properties. Vietnam is cheaper as is probably India.

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Old elk you are correct in the abilities of the Indian people. A large very well educated under employed group of people. Don’t think for one minute our companies aren’t drooling to expand there. Trump is going to use them to cock block the Chinese. And the Indians are more than willing to grab the opportunities.
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Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by NVhntr
Cheap/slave labor isn't the only reason companies went to China. There's EPA regulations, OSHA regulations, union labor demands, burocratic red tape, high taxes, etc.,etc.
They might leave China but I doubt many come back here


+1. There has been a lot of movement to India in the past few months. Indian Prime minister met with Trump a few months ago. They are smarter then the Chinese and are not warmongers. It will be very very interesting.


They are not smarter than the Chinese.



Don't even go there. I have been in IT for 40 years, I have never ever seen a Chinee that can code .


I will go there hossfly. I worked with many to the point of all of it being done in-house.

Ya reckon them Chinese hackers are hiring Indians and Pakistanis to do their international hacking for them ? What say ?

You know not of what you speak concerning those folks. But I will say that the Indians and Pakis are stellar at it.


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Originally Posted by GreggH
Old elk you are correct in the abilities of the Indian people. A large very well educated under employed group of people. Don’t think for one minute our companies aren’t drooling to expand there. Trump is going to use them to cock block the Chinese. And the Indians are more than willing to grab the opportunities.
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Most all third world nations’ people are more than willing to grab first world opportunities.

Jus sayin.


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Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by NVhntr
Cheap/slave labor isn't the only reason companies went to China. There's EPA regulations, OSHA regulations, union labor demands, burocratic red tape, high taxes, etc.,etc.
They might leave China but I doubt many come back here


+1. There has been a lot of movement to India in the past few months. Indian Prime minister met with Trump a few months ago. They are smarter then the Chinese and are not warmongers. It will be very very interesting.


They are not smarter than the Chinese.



Don't even go there. I have been in IT for 40 years, I have never ever seen a Chinee that can code .


I have.


How big a sample size did you deal with?


3.

But it's still a whole number greater than zero.

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You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by NVhntr
Cheap/slave labor isn't the only reason companies went to China. There's EPA regulations, OSHA regulations, union labor demands, burocratic red tape, high taxes, etc.,etc.
They might leave China but I doubt many come back here


+1. There has been a lot of movement to India in the past few months. Indian Prime minister met with Trump a few months ago. They are smarter then the Chinese and are not warmongers. It will be very very interesting.


They are not smarter than the Chinese.



Don't even go there. I have been in IT for 40 years, I have never ever seen a Chinee that can code .


I have.


How big a sample size did you deal with?



One might ask you the same and at what locations and for what duration.

Your sample size appears to be micro in scope.


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Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by NVhntr
Cheap/slave labor isn't the only reason companies went to China. There's EPA regulations, OSHA regulations, union labor demands, burocratic red tape, high taxes, etc.,etc.
They might leave China but I doubt many come back here


+1. There has been a lot of movement to India in the past few months. Indian Prime minister met with Trump a few months ago. They are smarter then the Chinese and are not warmongers. It will be very very interesting.


They are not smarter than the Chinese.



Don't even go there. I have been in IT for 40 years, I have never ever seen a Chinee that can code .


I will go there hossfly. I worked with many to the point of all of it being done in-house.

Ya reckon them Chinese hackers are hiring Indians and Pakistanis to do their international hacking for them ? What say ?

You know not of what you speak concerning those folks. But I will say that the Indians and Pakis are stellar at it.


LOL. You lost your argument right there. Hackers LMFAO

DumbAZZ look at the development teams of Google,Apple and any other large software company and count the Indians on their development staff vs Chinese. Go ahead and get back to me. You do not know who you are arguing with HOSSFLY.

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Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by NVhntr
Cheap/slave labor isn't the only reason companies went to China. There's EPA regulations, OSHA regulations, union labor demands, burocratic red tape, high taxes, etc.,etc.
They might leave China but I doubt many come back here


+1. There has been a lot of movement to India in the past few months. Indian Prime minister met with Trump a few months ago. They are smarter then the Chinese and are not warmongers. It will be very very interesting.


They are not smarter than the Chinese.



Don't even go there. I have been in IT for 40 years, I have never ever seen a Chinee that can code .


I have.


How big a sample size did you deal with?



One might ask you the same and at what locations and for what duration.

Your sample size appears to be micro in scope.


How would you know ?

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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by NVhntr
Cheap/slave labor isn't the only reason companies went to China. There's EPA regulations, OSHA regulations, union labor demands, burocratic red tape, high taxes, etc.,etc.
They might leave China but I doubt many come back here


+1. There has been a lot of movement to India in the past few months. Indian Prime minister met with Trump a few months ago. They are smarter then the Chinese and are not warmongers. It will be very very interesting.


They are not smarter than the Chinese.



Don't even go there. I have been in IT for 40 years, I have never ever seen a Chinee that can code .


I have.


How big a sample size did you deal with?


3.

But it's still a whole number greater than zero.


What languages were they fluent in ? How long ago and for what application?

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Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by NVhntr
Cheap/slave labor isn't the only reason companies went to China. There's EPA regulations, OSHA regulations, union labor demands, burocratic red tape, high taxes, etc.,etc.
They might leave China but I doubt many come back here


+1. There has been a lot of movement to India in the past few months. Indian Prime minister met with Trump a few months ago. They are smarter then the Chinese and are not warmongers. It will be very very interesting.


They are not smarter than the Chinese.



Don't even go there. I have been in IT for 40 years, I have never ever seen a Chinee that can code .


I will go there hossfly. I worked with many to the point of all of it being done in-house.

Ya reckon them Chinese hackers are hiring Indians and Pakistanis to do their international hacking for them ? What say ?

You know not of what you speak concerning those folks. But I will say that the Indians and Pakis are stellar at it.


LOL. You lost your argument right there. Hackers LMFAO

DumbAZZ look at the development teams of Google,Apple and any other large software company and count the Indians on their development staff vs Chinese. Go ahead and get back to me. You do not know who you are arguing with HOSSFLY.


I’m back to you,
Google, Apple, etc. you reckon that security is an issue with the Chinese maybe and as it applies to visas, intellectual security?

Doesn’t mean that the Chinese can’t do the job or are not capable. Put another way you don’t know what you don’t know and that’s being kind.

Yours is a very small view. I do know that I’m arguing with a pompous assed know it all red neck.


The degree of my privacy is no business of yours.

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nerd alert

laugh


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laugh


Could be. Could well be.


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Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by NVhntr
Cheap/slave labor isn't the only reason companies went to China. There's EPA regulations, OSHA regulations, union labor demands, burocratic red tape, high taxes, etc.,etc.
They might leave China but I doubt many come back here


+1. There has been a lot of movement to India in the past few months. Indian Prime minister met with Trump a few months ago. They are smarter then the Chinese and are not warmongers. It will be very very interesting.


They are not smarter than the Chinese.



Don't even go there. I have been in IT for 40 years, I have never ever seen a Chinee that can code .


I will go there hossfly. I worked with many to the point of all of it being done in-house.

Ya reckon them Chinese hackers are hiring Indians and Pakistanis to do their international hacking for them ? What say ?

You know not of what you speak concerning those folks. But I will say that the Indians and Pakis are stellar at it.


LOL. You lost your argument right there. Hackers LMFAO

DumbAZZ look at the development teams of Google,Apple and any other large software company and count the Indians on their development staff vs Chinese. Go ahead and get back to me. You do not know who you are arguing with HOSSFLY.


I’m back to you,
Google, Apple, etc. you reckon that security is an issue with the Chinese maybe and as it applies to visas, intellectual security?

Doesn’t mean that the Chinese can’t do the job or are not capable. Put another way you don’t know what you don’t know and that’s being kind.

Yours is a very small view. I do know that I’m arguing with a pompous assed know it all red neck.



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Thats why they steal our intellectual property and technology because they are smarter then us? Eh?

You have no idea of who you are arguing with , no idea of my qualifications or experiences to make the statements I have made but I am spot on and you are dead wrong.


You best STFU and listen and stop typing.

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Low labor cost production has been fleeing China for more than 5 years as labor costs in China started escalating. Textiles, shoes, that sort of stuff started moving to "new" cheap labor areas such as Bangladesh and Vietnam.

The tariffs introduced a level of uncertainty into the supply chains that nobody had ever accounted for in their production costing spreadsheets. Now this corona thing. Two black swan events in less than two years.

The move to China, 30 years ago, started with some low costs manufacturers, and then it became fashionable. It would not surprise me if the new fashion will become "supply chain hardening", where companies no longer allow any country (or even region) to dominate / control their supply chain. It would be the logical strategic next "in" thing to do.


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