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Sooo much better.... Dang it, you may have just spent some of my money.
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Just occurred to me; did you check for mag box clearance? If I have to file mine down a little on the bottom, do you think it will affect feeding? I'm talking maybe 1/32".
While you're up, did you happen to measure the length of the box?
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Looked at the other unit from Jefferson Outdoors. Appears VERY similar, except for the release. They also list the box length at something over 2.4", which would allow getting bullets right in there to the lands. The DM limits OAL to about 2.33.
Mine should ship tomorrow. Anxious to see if I have to switch to Talleys from the rail to allow loading from the top, which is what Jefferson says.
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Spoke with Wayne York at Oregunsmithing LLC for a bit today. The .223/.300AAC version is coming soon. They're also working on getting his .25 York cartridge up and running, with factory brass so no fireforming will be required. It's based on the 6.8 SPC and drives a100gr bullet at 2800 or so from a Mini (but not an AR).
The mag box on the 6.5/7.62 floorplate assembly is about 2.45". I asked about filing the bottom for clearance between the FP and action, and he recommended "not very much", because the parts relationship is pretty critical for reliable feeding.
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To each his own. I want all the barrel I can get to maximize velocity, making the stubby little bugger all it can be. Thinking about a 24-26" for a Contender. Speer lists their 120gr GD at over 2600 with one powder. Pretty good performance from such a mild cartridge, IF true; not far short of a 6.5x54. I am getting 2588 with a 105 grain Cavity Back bullet in a 24" Encore barrel using an average load (about 1.3 grains below max) of XBR-8208. It is super accurate and has more then enough killing power for my needs.
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[img] https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/galleries/14671814/mini-grendels[/img] Top is a 22” sporter weight in a B&C and bottom is 20” in a McMillan Sako Classic Edge. Dropped the oregun bottom metals in yesterday. Feeding with the dbm was a little suspect on both, problem solved. Both will take 3 down no problem. 4 down and feeding of the first round is pretty rough.
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![[Linked Image]](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/gallery/80/full/124914.jpeg) Top is a 22” sporter weight in a B&C and bottom is 20” in a McMillan Sako Classic Edge. Dropped the oregun bottom metals in yesterday. Feeding with the dbm was a little suspect on both, problem solved. Both will take 3 down no problem. 4 down and feeding of the first round is pretty rough.
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Now we're getting somewhere! That's what I always envisioned for these rifles, but Legacy has dragged its feet. No reason why they couldn't have done this long ago, just like there's no good reason, IMO, to not offer SS, since Howa sells them elsewhere. To each his own. I want all the barrel I can get to maximize velocity, making the stubby little bugger all it can be. Thinking about a 24-26" for a Contender. Speer lists their 120gr GD at over 2600 with one powder. Pretty good performance from such a mild cartridge, IF true; not far short of a 6.5x54. I am getting 2588 with a 105 grain Cavity Back bullet in a 24" Encore barrel using an average load (about 1.3 grains below max) of XBR-8208. It is super accurate and has more then enough killing power for my needs. 2400-2500 is kinda where I want to be, but with heavier bullets, although the 100gr TTSXs would no doubt work as well. I finally dug up some 6.5x54 data from an old manual, and the Speer data is right there with that. Plenty of power for what needs doing here. My unit arrives tomorrow; new mounts maybe Saturday.
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To each his own. I want all the barrel I can get to maximize velocity, making the stubby little bugger all it can be. Thinking about a 24-26" for a Contender. Speer lists their 120gr GD at over 2600 with one powder. Pretty good performance from such a mild cartridge, IF true; not far short of a 6.5x54. I am getting 2588 with a 105 grain Cavity Back bullet in a 24" Encore barrel using an average load (about 1.3 grains below max) of XBR-8208. It is super accurate and has more then enough killing power for my needs. What primer are you using?
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I put some rounds through it today. A couple of notes: With 2 piece Tally Low rings, there's plenty of room to load. It feeds perfect with 3 down. 4 down is hard to load and hard to chamber. I could probably fiddle around with it and get it feed smoothly with 4 down, but 3 is plenty, so I'll leave it alone. Ejection is perfect. Feeds well as a single shot. Just throw one in the chamber and it lines up properly to close the bolt. My gun went from shooting about 1 1/2 inch groups to sub 1" groups shooting the same factory Hornady Custom 123gr SST ammo. I'm not going to give the bottom metal all the credit, It could just be from tightening the action screws differently when I installed the bottom metal. Worth mentioning though. I swapped the scope for a Redfield Revolution 3-9 and it now weighs 6lb 8oz. This is with the slimmed down youth stock and the barrel cut to 16 1/4". ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/gDvonYu.jpg) If they made that in LH I'd have one on the way for my 9yo. Very nicely done!
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To each his own. I want all the barrel I can get to maximize velocity, making the stubby little bugger all it can be. Thinking about a 24-26" for a Contender. Speer lists their 120gr GD at over 2600 with one powder. Pretty good performance from such a mild cartridge, IF true; not far short of a 6.5x54. I'm looking at about 2450 out of the 16" barrel which is plenty of MV for the 123 SST and 129 ABLR to perform well at 300 yds. In my area I would have to set up on a power line or field (something I almost never do) to shoot past that, and I have other rifles for that purpose. I'm working on a scabbard for my Yamaha TW200 dual sport and the compact profile of this set-up lends itself well to that application.
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Only way I'll ever shoot even that far is if I wrangle permission on another farm, and I'm not looking.
I like the ABs, but availability seems spotty, and like a big dummy I sold the ones I had to someone, thinking I was finished with Grendeling. I have one box, and am hoping the Gold Dots will work well as they're somewhat cheaper. Am assembling some loads with each to try when I get this thing put together.
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Just finished the switchover. Replaced the rail with Talley LWs. Scope is now a Burris E1 4.5-14. Weight in the youth stock with a 1/2" Limbsaver slip-on pad is 7lbs 5oz, almost the same as my Alpine .243.
All the difference in the world in appearance and ease of carry, plus no nagging stress over possible mag loss.
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Just finished the switchover. Replaced the rail with Talley LWs. Scope is now a Burris E1 4.5-14. Weight in the youth stock with a 1/2" Limbsaver slip-on pad is 7lbs 5oz, almost the same as my Alpine .243.
All the difference in the world in appearance and ease of carry, plus no nagging stress over possible mag loss. Were you able to top load with the rail? I picked up a 300 BLK, and am about to pull the trigger on the bdl style bottom metal from Oregon Gunsmithing.
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Lose the rail, just like Oregunsmithing recommends. If you want Weaverish mounts for some reason, get the two-piece that you prefer. It's a pretty small action opening.
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Lose the rail, just like Oregunsmithing recommends. If you want Weaverish mounts for some reason, get the two-piece that you prefer. It's a pretty small action opening. So which model Talley Lightweights fit the Howa Mini?
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IIRC, the same ones that fit the regular Howas. That's what shows on their website. Call Talley and ask if you have questions.
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Same two-piece mounts as the 1500s and Vanguards, ie, Rem 700. Note, one I just messed with could only use certain bases that I had on hand as anything hanging off the back of the rear bridge blocks the bolt handle. The rear mounts that work best have a slot between the two screw holes rather than extending forward over the port or back as mentioned. Certain Warne and Weaver Top Mount number?? work. Danged if I know what numbers. Not Weaver 36. ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/tRwXBTvm/20200724-102342.jpg)
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Got one, went with the Ruger Predator.. that takes an AR Mag...kind rough, but I bet time will smooth that out...
already started testing reloads...leaning toward using 90 to 100 grain bullets in mine... 2800 to 2900 fps out of a 22 inch barrel..
I think my hunting bullet will be the 100 grain Ballistic Tip or the old 100 Hornady SP... discontinued like always for me..
but my supply of 1500 of them will probably last me the rest of my hunting career....
Currently wearing a 3 x 9 Weaver on top, but am looking for a 1.5 x 6 AR type scope with a 30mm Tube...
Am playing with a 5 x 20 Bushnell Nitro scope to test distance capabilities....a CameraLand deal...
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