Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Handguns My new Charter Arms 44 Special Bulldog Pug 2000.

I have an older one that I pack occasionally. Mine likes heavier bullets like 245-250 grain over the 215 gr weights. Mild loads should keep this a shooter for a long time.

You may disagree with me and that's okay but a Doofus?

When your cylinder loosens up from poor timing don't blame me.

Derby Doofus, now just whom is this wonder gunsmith that gave you this information? 1nice, gave the "correct" reason for the drag line.

Since you feel so strongly about the drag line being a timing factor, here's a deal. Check out the drag line on my FA 454, I've got $50.00 that says it is not out of time. I will send it back to FA to be checked, if it's out of time I send ya $50.00, if it's not out of time you send me $50.00 and the cost of S+Insurance. Here's a couple pictures.

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You win the line is suppose to be there. Have a good day.

Its not a matter of winning, it is a matter of mis-information.

jimmyd223:
It's become a matter of your �name calling�.

I don't have to be a Gunsmith to know that the ring is related to timing.

I once let a guy who said he cut his teeth on Single Actions work on my Colt S A Army. He replaced a part. When he finished it was out of time, and I soon had a very pronounced ring around the cylinder from the locking bolt. I took it to another Gunsmith who sent it back to Colt to have it retimed.

Just looking at a ring in a picture can be somewhat subjective, as to how serious a problem it might be. Given the fact that the Charter Arms is an inexpensive revolver, brand new, (as in little fired) it maybe could, use some attention. Obviously, if the ring is more than a very slight one it could indicate a problem.

Since you can't disagree without being disagreeable, I'm placing you on �ignore�, and since I�m sure that I�m not the only one who is offended by your attitude, I recommend others do so also.
Smitty of the North

SmittyoftheNorth, since you put me on ignore for name calling,I'm sure you will remove it to see what I have to say concerning your post.
So, if calling Derby a Doofus hurt his feelings, Derby, I'm sorry your that thin skinned. I meant it as a joke, no attack meant to you.

Now as to you Smitty, if what you say is correct, then don't you feel that "every" SAA Colt that comes out of the Colt Custom Shop is out of time. There is a reason Colt Collector's "DO NOT" want the cylinder turned, it will leave a faint drag line and affect value. Are they all out of time as you suggest? I guess we should also think about all the guns out of the S&W Performance Center, the Python's, the big 500's.

I'm sure enough of my comments that I will extend my bet with Derby to you, Game?

Smitty and Derby Dude, every ruger revolver I own have the ring, it is not a matter of timing, just that the lock drags a little, I understand where you are coming from, but I can tell you the Ruger repair shop won't even look at it, unless you are getting lead or copper blow by. JMHO, Les

To jimmyd223: Apology accepted. It's not about thin skin it's about being a gentleman about an important subject and disagreeing with one other. And if I've offended you I'm sorry.

Pictures can be subjective which is why I suggested a competent pistol smith to check things out.

I checked my Ruger.44mag single action last night. It has a slight ring which is almost impossible to see. As I said at my age and the little I shoot my .44mag it will probably take for ever for the cylinder lock (I call it a pall) to do serious damage. The pistol smith I know says he can adjust the cylinder lock (pall) so that it doesn't drag. This pistol smith makes a living working only on Ruger pistols and revolvers especially single actions.

The first thing I had to do to my .44mag was have a smith hone the inside of the cylinder and round every mouth of the cylinder so that the empties could be ejected from the cylinder. The next item was a trigger/spring tune up. The point is every pistol/revolver needs the attention of a competent pistol smith as it comes from the factory unless it comes from a custom shop. At $1,000 to $4,000 for a pistol/revolver from a custom shop the weapon had better be ready to go.

The point of the original post was to alert people to the ring and the fact it could be a problem as it wears in the notches on the cylinder. Use a 2x magnifying glass and check your notches and see how much wear you have. You will be surprised. Some wear of course will happen but be carefully of too much wear too fast.

Last, it was not my intention to start a mini war on this subject and for starting one I apologize.

Understand, not a biggie, I know some of the ohter makers say this is a problem, i.e. Colt SAA's, but with Rugersand FA's, it is considered normal wear and you are absolutley correct, when it is creating a Divot size drag line, yeah, I would definitley send it in, but light line is just normal wear. Thanks, Les

Cool!!! we got this one resolved, with I think everyone agreeing to dis-agree to some point. If shes shedding lead, time to re-time..........

In fact, I was just out in the back shop looking for some type of ol" revolver in 22 LR, now boys, that baby was out of time, hell it would shave off half the bullit. Wanted to see if it had a drag line, it might have just been free wheeling for all I remember.

You guys are to much.

That ring is normal for this handgun.All the Charter Arms Do this.

A bolt dragging on a cylinder ain't necessarily a bad thing. If a bolt does not lock or unlock at the proper TIME then ya got problems. Bullet shaving is improper alignment between chamber and barrel and most wheel guns get six shots at it (pun intended) but it don't have to be the bolts fault . Don't confuse timing with alignment as a gun can be timed perfectly with no bolt interference at all and still shave bullets. That's why God made range rods...

jimmyd...I got a better plan...I'll send ya $50 and you send me the FA...is it a deal? I can live with the ring...grin

Nice bulldog. I've seriously considered buying one of those myself...I'll even make ya the same offer I made jimmyd...grin

This 44 is accurate.I can hit a apple at 30 yards.

fire that bulldog about 500 rounds and get back to us on how it is holding up. For a nice practice load try 6 grains of unique with the 240 swc of your choice.

good shooting

Well I put 500 rounds threw it this last month.It is holding up just fine.

I reloaded some fast loads.180 grain Hollow points.They were running 1,100 fps threw the crono.These were very accurate.

They were at almost max charge for that head.

Next I am going to load up some 300 grains an start at half max charge.

Hey man good work on picking up a Bulldog. I have one of the original old Charter Arms Bulldogs with the 3" barrel and walnut combat stocks. Great gun and has served me very well as my concealed carry gun and in the back country on snake patrol. Great little guns that can be pretty accurate for their size. I load mine up with 230 grain hollow base full wadcutters for just about everything and its works terrific.

If you ever decide to have your revolver tuned, I'd recommend the pistolsmiths at Ahlman's in Morristown, MN. They are really good and have made a meaningful difference in the "useability" of every Rossi, Ruger, and S&W revolver that I've sent to them.

If you shoot enough heavy loads, whatever # that is, through a small frame revolver of any make/model, it will eventually shoot "loose". I learned this the expensive way, by shooting too many heavy loads in a S&W 19.

Jeff