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Originally Posted by gunner500
EO-Tech 556 NV compatible is what all my house guns wear.




I have one Eotech 552.A65 NV compatible.


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EO-Tech 556 NV compatible is what all my house guns wear.

Unless I'm mistaken, EOTechs, unlike Aimponts, cannot be left on. Or has that changed for newer models of the EOTech?

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They shut off after 4 or 8 hours depending on which button you push. I prefer the Aimpoint for battery life but it's not that hard to push a button before we put on our electronic ear pro, bullet proof vest and all...

I have one of the newer versions and it has zero battery drain like some of the older ones did and the reticle is a better fit for my bad eyes. This one has performed as good as any of my Aimpoints ever did except for leaving it always on but I'll trade the accuracy I can get out of the EOTech over the Aimpoint any day.

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Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by gunner500
EO-Tech 556 NV compatible is what all my house guns wear.




I have one Eotech 552.A65 NV compatible.



I like 'em LD, and what TWR said TRH, both eyes open shooting is king, plus, with a 36 yard zero in 5.56/223, 300 yard steel is also cake.


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Originally Posted by gunner500
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EO-Tech 556 NV compatible is what all my house guns wear.




I have one Eotech 552.A65 NV compatible.



I like 'em LD, and what TWR said TRH, both eyes open shooting is king, plus, with a 36 yard zero in 5.56/223, 300 yard steel is also cake.


36 yards zero works out to a 200 yards zero with M193 out of a 20" barrel. When I was in, we used the 25 yard zero, with was close to a 250 yard zero.


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
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EO-Tech 556 NV compatible is what all my house guns wear.




I have one Eotech 552.A65 NV compatible.



I like 'em LD, and what TWR said TRH, both eyes open shooting is king, plus, with a 36 yard zero in 5.56/223, 300 yard steel is also cake.


36 yards zero works out to a 200 yards zero with M193 out of a 20" barrel. When I was in, we used the 25 yard zero, with was close to a 250 yard zero.


Yes, I hold at 12 o'clock on 300 yard steel, bullet smacks 12-15 inches low, plenty close enough for crackhead work ; ]


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@rost495,

Tell me how you see irons in the dark?

When you turn the light on the target sights are easy to see. As another noted if I can't see the target then I can't see my sights. IF I can see my sights but not the target in turn....

I may not have the best setup, but I suspect I have enough rounds down range and a knowledge enough of the AR that I would do OK in most any house issue.

I'm not talking about "competing" against trained forces... if I had to do that I'd do it from a LONG way off one at a time if I had the choice, that might be about the only advantage I used to hold.


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I hate to post this but please understand, this is IMI M193 ammo out of a basically stock Colt 6720 chrome lined pencil barrel and all. 5 shots standing on my hind legs, 5 shots sitting with one elbow on one knee cause I can't get both elbows anchored and 5 shots prone using a 40 round MagPul mag as a monopod. It's a standard USPSA silhouette tagrget at 200 yards with said EOTech zeroed at 200 yards.
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15 out of 15, with 8 in the A zone.

All things considered, not as horrible as you think.

Do I sense a new challenge thread coming on?

200 yards, Zero magnification, three position, with factory ball ammo?


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I've read that body armor makes a head shot the go to on any stationary target.

I wonder would 99% of the body armor stand up to the 5.56?


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
15 out of 15, with 8 in the A zone.

All things considered, not as horrible as you think.

Do I sense a new challenge thread coming on?

200 yards, Zero magnification, three position, with factory ball ammo?


We set a par time of 60 seconds too, LOL, it takes me almost 15 seconds to get into the sitting position and another 10 seconds to go from setting to prone. Just a drill we do now and then to see what we can do. I will say the 40 round mag is much easier to use as a monopod than a 30.

But it’s embarrassing compared to what the real shooters do with irons and all, we’re just having fun.

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I have an AR and am pretty proficient with it, and like it for certain things. Having said that, the OP seemed to be asking about shooting in a house. I have a 12 gauge with a glow sight. Pretty simple and effective for that set up. 8 rounds of 4 buck.Maybe better than an AR.

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Originally Posted by atse
Maybe better than an AR.


How so?


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I've read that body armor makes a head shot the go to on any stationary target.

I wonder would 99% of the body armor stand up to the 5.56?

Not Level IIIA soft. You need plates or this.

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Originally Posted by TWR
I hate to post this but please understand, this is IMI M193 ammo out of a basically stock Colt 6720 chrome lined pencil barrel and all. 5 shots standing on my hind legs, 5 shots sitting with one elbow on one knee cause I can't get both elbows anchored and 5 shots prone using a 40 round MagPul mag as a monopod. It's a standard USPSA silhouette tagrget at 200 yards with said EOTech zeroed at 200 yards.
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Originally Posted by gunner500
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Originally Posted by gunner500
EO-Tech 556 NV compatible is what all my house guns wear.




I have one Eotech 552.A65 NV compatible.



I like 'em LD, and what TWR said TRH, both eyes open shooting is king, plus, with a 36 yard zero in 5.56/223, 300 yard steel is also cake.


36 yards zero works out to a 200 yards zero with M193 out of a 20" barrel. When I was in, we used the 25 yard zero, with was close to a 250 yard zero.


Yes, I hold at 12 o'clock on 300 yard steel, bullet smacks 12-15 inches low, plenty close enough for crackhead work ; ]




gunner, I have never had a problem with mine. They had an offer a couple years ago to send them back for a full refund. I didn't.

I paid $347 for it 14 years ago BNIB off ebay. Still running fine.


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Maybe better than an AR.


How so?

A pattern out of a modified choke at 10' to 30 or 40' with 4 buck ( or bb s) leaves a little more room for error and still let's the shooter be successful in a high stress situation. A shot down the hallway will likely clear it. At about 25' I get about a 2.5' pattern with 4 buck. 27 pellets.

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Originally Posted by atse
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Maybe better than an AR.


How so?

A pattern out of a modified choke at 10' to 30 or 40' with 4 buck ( or bb s) leaves a little more room for error and still let's the shooter be successful in a high stress situation. A shot down the hallway will likely clear it. At about 25' I get about a 2.5' pattern with 4 buck. 27 pellets.


Two and a half foot pattern at 8 yards?

I don't think so:

Shooting starts just short of the 5 minute mark:



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As Clint said, shoot it to see the pattern.

I'm sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of people telling me about shotguns they've never shot for pattern.

And how the little woman doesn't need to shoot it. She'll know what to do in an "emergency" and how it makes a 2 foot hole in people.

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We used #4 buckshot in our shotguns at the embassies. Patterns were roughly 1" per yard. 10" at 10 yards, 15" at 15 yards, etc. 870's with cylinder bores.

The new Flite-Control and Versa-Tite wads are a game changer. Definitely needs to be patterned so you know what you are working with.

My cylinder bore 870 with the Hornady Critical Defense 00 Buck (8 pellets 1600 fps) patterns about 6" at 20 yards. That's with the Versa-Tite wad, same thing as Flite-Control I believe.

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