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When a person is selling a firearm why do they sometimes put in the ad "FFL must receive from a private individual no exceptions"
Makes no sense to me.............

Some FFLs have the law wrong or want to make it harder for a person on their end to buy a gun over the net so that FFL puts in this requirement. It results in the seller having to pay an FFL on their end to ship the gun.

It all adds in expense and time

Some FFL's will only accept shipments from another FFL and not a private individual.

Because some FFLs will only receive firearms from another FFL. Most FFLs will charge an additional fee to take a firearm into the FFL book and then ship. Most people will say that there will be an extra fee if your FFL will not accept from a private party.

If I understand it right and the original seller sold a sketchy firearm and my FFL received it when he ran the form guess what??? SOL........... I am out the money and the sheriff is going to original sellers door............
If I sell one over the net it is going thru a FFL on both ends.

Always CYA regardless of how you do the transaction

By sketchy I assume you mean stolen. Would either FFL check that?

I don't understand the statement when you said your " FFL ran the form"? What does this mean? Was it stolen and if so, how did the FFL find out? Just wondering

Many FFL's will accept a rifle or shotgun from an individual, but require handguns and AR's to be shipped from another FFL. I was told there is a much greater chance a handgun or AR was stolen. As Marcel said, CYA.

It's not just FFL dealers that make this requirement. Some insurance companies who insure gun shops mandate this. I guess they're afraid of unknowing individual who may ship a loaded firearm, and the liability it could cause them.

I often accept firearms from individuals, but run the serial number through TICS before I do anything with it. They'll let me know right away if it's stolen.

The sending or receiving FFL (whom ever puts the firearm on their books) will run the serial number of the firearm. If it pops up in a stolen database then big issues. If sent from an FFL it will stop when the seller drops it off. If to the receiving FFL, they will call the police and the firearm will be confiscated.

My FFL will not accept a firearm from and individual he only accepts from another FFL. He told me the ATF advised him that this was a good practice for a dealer who did the large amount of business he did even though the ATF did not require it.

It is his license, his business and he gets to make the rules and he chose to follow the recommendations of the ATF agent that reviewed his books. I therefore have to pay to have the firearm put in the shippers books and also pay for the transfer on my end. If I don't like that I can go somewhere else to have the transfer done but my FFL dealer gives me great service, pricing and is otherwise great to deal with so I will not be changing dealers.

I am always concerned when someone selling a rifle says that the receiving dealer must accept from and individual. I have no problem when they say there will be an additional cost if required to ship from an FFL. I just recently purchased a rifle and when I asked the additional cost to provide and FFL on the shipping end they gave me a number which was more than acceptable to me, so I added an additional $10.00 to pay for the gas, time and trouble for him to take the rifle to the dealer, the individual lived in rural North Carolina and the FFL was some distance away.

Ok, so Tennessee has a system but ATF doesn't have a national registration system. Am I missing something, as is there a way to check a serial number to see if it is stolen? There is no serial number reported when a NICS check is performed. I am curious as a good friend of mine had some guns stolen. He isn't computer savvy so I am keeping an eye on internet sales for them. Like looking for a needle in a haystack.

It is a CYA kinda thing, I always ship any firearms I have sold via my LGS, yes I have to pay for that. However the firearm is now on their books, as being sold by me. So if in the future it shows up as stolen or used in a crime I have a track record besides my word.

Solve the problem.
Only buy from individuals in the same state. Ship direct to them. Include a copy of your drivers license and concealed carry. Oh, and they MUST be a campfire member!!!

When you live BFE, it's just not that easy to trot down the the local FFL dealer to ship a firearm.

Second, if I sell a gun, the buyer expects said gun to arrive in the condition that they bought it in. No way in hell I'm going to leave it up to the dealer to package and send off my gun. That way, it's me, and only me, that's responsible for the safe trip, and subsequent issues that may take place.

Points to ponder......Is the sending FFL going to foot the bill to return my gun to the condition it was given to him in case something happens in transit? Is he going to deal with the shipping company to make a claim? The buyer will want a full refund, should the owner be liable for that, for something that he had no hand in, or the FFL?

The seller sets the rules, if a buyer doesn't want to abide by them, move along......

Will running the serial number through TICS give you the information on who the registered owner is? Or just if it's stolen?

John boy some states it s now illegal to sell a gun to an individual ( Illinois for instance) must use an ffl to transfer

I don't just leave a bare firearm for my FFL, I pack it. Usually in a hard case, or the original pistol case. They do tape it etc after it is inspected. Firearms can get lost in shipment as well. Being on the books as sold, shipped to another FFL is another CYA on my part. No the sending FFL is not going to take responsibility on the shipping, that is what insurance is for, and mine always asks and I insure it for the price or more. Is insurance any good? That's a whole other question.