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Even if its a little bad, can't they sell it to china? Them phuggin people eat anything.


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A note on the hog feeding idea,
Most pork in the US is contract fed, belonging to either the processor or a large contract grower.
The farmer is basically a contracted herdsman with little to no input on feed, feed rations, or ingredients.

Secondly, at this time corn is selling below break even and going down with the closing/shutdown of many ethanal plants. The hogs are bred and raised to exact feeding/feed factions for the absolute maximum "yields" at the slaughter house. These are not the hogs most people think about, a lot different than the hogs of 10-15-20 years ago.

Don't know how many fire members have ever been in a confinement hog building but I can tell you that if you threw green plants in front of most of the "residents" you would have sick if not dead hogs......if they even knew what to do and tried to eat them.

With the regulations for exporting pork to meet as well, contract growers would not be willing to take the chances.

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Originally Posted by kingston
How many of you have looked into the SBA administrated CARES Act loan\grant program? It’s virtually a no doc application under $200,000K. This includes sole proprietors. The site is up and running. All you need is an EIN# and a bank account.

It’s on my radar.


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I'm buying my fresh food from the restaurant supply chain. I have a cousin who is in the restaurant business. I tell him what I want, he orders it. I bought 50# flour Saturday for $14. I bought 60# of filet mignon today for $5.69. I bought rice, beans, onions... who needs a grocery store??


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Originally Posted by Valsdad
That's a whole lot of cabbage that could be turned into kraut with a little salt...........well, maybe a lot of salt.
You'd still need a processing plant capable of handling that amount - but once canned (ala Frank's Kraut) it can be on the shelf for a long, long time...

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Highly specialized supply chains that are not flexible enough to turn on a dime. They have been running that business like that for a long time.

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Originally Posted by kingston
How many of you have looked into the SBA administrated CARES Act loan\grant program? It’s virtually a no doc application under $200,000K. This includes sole proprietors. The site is up and running. All you need is an EIN# and a bank account.


We're in line and waiting, have all supporting paperwork ready.
I'm thinking the banks are a bit overwhelmed at this point.


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Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
Originally Posted by kingston
How many of you have looked into the SBA administrated CARES Act loan\grant program? It’s virtually a no doc application under $200,000K. This includes sole proprietors. The site is up and running. All you need is an EIN# and a bank account.

It’s on my radar.


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‘It’s catastrophic.’ Coronavirus forces Florida farmers to scrap food they can’t sell


A tractor with a 35-foot blade mowed down one million pounds of green beans ready to be picked at R.C. Hatton’s Pahokee fields.

Those crops should have been going to South Florida’s restaurants, cruise ships, school cafeterias, airlines and even theme parks.

Instead, they are going into the ground.

“And I’ve got another one million I can’t harvest that’s going down in the next three days,” R.C. Hatton’s president Paul Allen said.

The total shutdown of the hospitality industry, to stem the spread of the coronavirus, means farmers who grew crops intended for everyone from small, independent restaurants to busy hotels are stuck with millions of pounds of produce that will soon be left to die on the vine.

And even food banks, soup kitchens and rescue missions, which have seen a surge of unemployed workers making hours-long lines for boxes of donated fresh fruits and vegetables, are saturated with farm donations.

“It’s catastrophic,” said Tony DiMare, vice president of the third-generation-owned DiMare tomato company. “It’s a dire situation, and there’s no relief in sight.”

Like many farms, DiMare’s business is split between growing produce for retail outlets like grocery stores and direct to the food-service industry.

When restaurants were ordered shut overnight, about half of his 1,300 acres of tomatoes, mostly in Homestead, had no buyers.

“You’re dealing with a perishable product,” DiMare said. “The clock is ticking.”

Unlike flour or sugar, fruits and vegetables must be harvested, boxed, shipped and sold quickly — or not at all.

With no one to buy the product, R.C. Hatton farms has made the difficult decision to plow under many of its fields.

Harvesting that fruit can cost more than twice as much as simply razing it. Workers who usually make between $15-$17 an hour, paid by the amount they pick, instead earn minimum wage doing field work.

So one million pounds of green beans and four million pounds of cabbage at R.C. Hatton will be churned into mulch in the next few days.

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DiMare estimates that by the end of the growing season, about 10 million pounds of his tomatoes will go unpicked.

“It’s devastating for agriculture in Florida,” Allen said. “There’s zero demand, and it’s being left in the fields.”

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One option is for the federal government to invoke the power to purchase farm product for use in assistance programs. The stimulus bill Congress passed Friday had $9.5 billion in dedicated disaster relief for farmers.

Some farms, like Pero Family Farms, have been able to reroute its specialty produce, like sweet mini peppers and organic salads, to the grocery stores who are demanding more than usual because many people are now cooking at home.

And some restaurants have even turned to selling this produce online, with local pick up and delivery. One, Threefold Cafe in Coral Gables, turned their seven-restaurant infrastructure into packaging grocery goods from farms and purveyors and selling it directly to the public.

“We have to find ways to get creative,” said Pero’s chief sales officer, Nick Bergstrom.

Farms are having trouble even giving their fruits and vegetables away.

As millions of pounds of produce threatened to go bad, growers flooded non-profit organizations. DiMare said when Walt Disney World shut its doors, the park filled the food pantries in the Orlando area.

In South Florida, even the biggest non-profits are having trouble moving the mountains of quickly ripening produce into the hands of hungry people who need it.


“The volume is at a level we’ve never seen before,” said Stephen Shelley, president and CEO of Farm Share, which partners with more than 2,000 food pantries, churches, schools and other nonprofits throughout Florida to distribute food every day.

Farm Share is running at maximum capacity, Shelley said, despite having 25 refrigerated trucks, six warehouses of between 10,000-35,000 square feet and 40-50 drop sites from Jacksonville to Florida City. They usually help more than seven million pounds of food reach the hungry and now are faced with moving a lot more.

“It is overwhelming the system,” he said.

But no one is turning away donations. DiMare donated 400,000 pounds of tomatoes last week alone and plans to donate another million pounds this week. R.C. Hatton similarly has opened up its farm to you-pick and is sending countless boxes of green beans and cabbage to food rescue charities, as much as they can take.

“We absolutely can handle it,” said Sari Vatske, executive vice president of Feeding South Florida. “We can’t get it in and out fast enough.”

The organization, which is part of the Feeding America network, is using its own fleet of trucks and more than 220 local partners to give away more than 2.5 million meals a week from Palm Beach to Monroe counties.

Meanwhile, more people than ever are relying on the donated fresh produce as thousands were laid off from the food industry in the last weeks.

Last Wednesday, a line of cars eight miles long queued up at a Farm Share site in Liberty City, where volunteers are putting groceries directly into trunks to avoid unnecessary contact. Distributions are planned throughout the week and a calendar is available online.

Feeding South Florida is seeing six times as many people coming for donations at its many locations, while its volunteer staff is just a quarter of its usual size. Many are following stay-at-home orders and are afraid of contracting the coronavirus, despite a no-contact system.

“The math is not on our side,” Vatske said.

Meanwhile, the sun sets on crops that grow another day closer to going from food to fodder.

“We have got to get this virus contained,” DiMare said, “or we are not going to get back to close to being normal.”



I'm puzzled... confused

Did people quit eating?


His problem is more than likely he has large contacts for the beans and no secondary sales.....when I raised green and wax beans I had contracts with 2 major grocery store chains. But I had a buffer by selling at a booth in Eastern Market that was to restaurants, small stores and private individuals, it was my higher profit margin.

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Also shows the downside to being a one item ag producer. Yes, in some times/markets being the best at one thing can really pay off, but not being flexible or diverse in your enterprise is not without risk.

One small, very small I admit, upside, is the benefit to those farmers soils...

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