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Let's bump this one up for some of the newbies that haven't seen this thread. I'll be posting some iron sight results here in a couple hours. Hopefully you guys are getting out and shooting

Well, the day has come rost... Finally shot better than you did, not only once, but twice on the same day and after a bowling pin shoot to boot... A damn fine day at the shooting range today, indeed...

Rifle:
Gen 1 Noveske 20" medium varmint, SSAE trigger, 16" NSR handrail, Ultradyne back up iron sights. Shooting Iron sight division:


Target set at 100 yards:


Target:


Target with caliper on top for reference:


Target with black bullseye used for sight picture at 100 yards and score of 100-2x and 100-5x respecitively:


Now, those targets didn't score real well, so I shot a second group of targets after adjusting the sights:


1.317 MOA AVG. and score of 100-7x and 100-8x.... These were not the first targets shot, so they do not count. After dialing in the irons, I shot this last target to verify POI:


It was a great day at the range.... Iron sight entry AVG: 1.240 MOA

No new shooters to this game huh? Well, I learned a few things today while shooting my Noveske...

1. I don't want to sell it anymore.
2. Tyrone was right: Its going to be hard to beat those 69gr sierra matchkings.
3. CCI 400's seem to work just fine in my oldest load. I think I actually started out with CCI400's, and that load still shoots great. I'm still wondering what the fu ck I did with 5000 BR4's in the past year???
4. I wanted to shoot at least a 1.2 moa with an average score of 100-8x. One of the goals I told rost I had... Worked out today.
5. I thought about buying a Colt sporter target rifle today, until after i shot this rifle again. Then changed mind...

Conditions were good today. Weather report said 5% chance of rain at noon and then 0% by 2:00 and 6 MPH winds. When I got to the range, I think it sprinkled on me once, then it was good until I left. Actually a perfect day for shooting..

Rifle used for Iron sight entry:
Gen 1 Noveske medium varmint contour 20" 1 in 8 twist barrel, SSAE trigger, NSR rail, Ultradyne BUIS, Armaspec ambi controls, bad lever, Noveske badged raptor charging handle, Navy Sea Bee motto on dust cover "We build We fight!!!", PRS stock, Magpul K2+ grip, Harris 6-9" swivel bipod with rear sand bag:


Target downrange at 100 yards, as per usual and per rules:


Official target with 2 10 shot groups side by side, with shooters name on it for identification:


Caliper laid on top of 1 group, as per rules:


Also, since this is an iron sight entry, it comes with the sighter targets and official score of 100-8x average:


Each target individually:



Total score: 100-8x and 1.167 MOA AVG.

Get out and shoot. These targets are always fun...

Just today I saw mention of a member here say they have 3 AR15's that shoot 55gr ammo sub moa, but I don't remember him posting targets in this thread. If this was a call out thread like ARFCOM has, I'd be all over that like you know what. If you guys have them, post them. Don't be shy. Here's how you do it:

Rifle:
Gen 1 Noveske medium weight 20" varmint barrel, Ultradyne back up iron sights. You guys have seen this rifle before. I'm going to keep trying until I finally shoot moa with irons:


Target downrange at 100 yards from the bench:


Target shot today. Sorry its so blurry. Crappy cell phone pic:


Calipers over one group:


Here's a better pic of the 1.050" group that scores 100-7x:

Iron sight score 1.085 MOA average with a high score of 100-7x...

I'm Knocking on MOA's door with this rifle and load. I switched to R-P brass and brought my group size down a bit. With a little more time behind the trigger, I'm thinking I'll be shooting right at MOA with this rifle... Keep in mind, I'm shooting weak hand (right hand).

The Northtech Defense in the above picture is ready to kick some azz this saturday at a local AR shoot my club is putting on.. I'll be using some different ammo, that the rifle likes better, but as it is, it averages right at 100-9x... Not perfect, but honest groupings and scores:

Top Scores to this thread are looking something like this. OP can confirm:

Optics:
1. scenarshooter (Mr. Pat Sinclair): .475 MOA. We all know GAP is damn good. Too bad I can't afford one. How about you guys? Optics on this rifle were second to none as well. Damn good shooting Mr. Sinclair:
GA Precision GAP10, 6MM Creedmoor
Barrel: 21" Bartlein 5R 1-7.7"
105gr. Scenar
Scope: 3-12X50 S&B PMII


2. m1919: .682 MOA:
RRA Predator Pursuit upper
SSA-E
Standard A2 stock and grip
16X SS on a SSALT
50gr. A-max

3. BSA1917hunter: .777 MOA
Northtech Defense 20" fluted stainless barrel
2 stage RRA varmint match trigger
Burris AR556 rifle scope with windplex reticle
73gr. ELDM

4. tex_n_cal: .783 MOA:
Armalite 20" heavy barrel
16x SS SWFA
77TMK

5. KeneticPerformance: .819 MOA.
Barnes Precision BPM 15
Bushnell Elite Tactical 6-24x50mm G2 in LaRue mount
69gr. Nosler

6. bsa1917hunter: .833 MOA:
Stag 6HL, Black Rain Ordanance BCG, PRS stock, RRA National match 2 stage trigger
Nikon Buckmasters 6-18x40 with Leupold mount
69gr. Sierra BTSP

7. BSA1917hunter: .834 MOA
Northtech Defense 20" fluted stainless barrel
2 stage RRA varmint match trigger
Burris AR556 rifle scope with windplex reticle
73gr. ELDM


8. MontanaMan: .867 MOA:
Viltor MUR upper, Aero Lower, WOA 18" barrel gun with a NF SHV 3-10 scope


9. Fiddy: .896 MOA
Stag Varminter (Model 6) with SWFA 16x FF
Black Hills 69gr. MKHP

10. BSA1917hunter: .907 MOA
M&P 10 6.5 creedmoor
140 ELDM H4350, Starline brass
Burris AR 762 4.5-14x42 C4 with windplex in PEPR mount

11. M1919 .948 MOA
Rifle: BHW 1:8 twist, SSA-E, PRS, SWFA 12X, etc....
243
105 BTHP
37.5gr RL-17
Lapua Brass
CCI 200

12. Certifiable: .935 MOA
Stag model 6
SWFA 16x
SWFA SSALT mount
52gr. sierra in PMC brass

13. MontanaMan: 1.004 MOA
Not sure on the set-up due to lost pictures...


IRON SIGHT DIVISION:

1. Bsa1917Hunter: 1.085 & 1.167 with a score of 200-16x
Gen 1 Noveske Ultradyne BUIS

2. rost495: 199-8x / 1.351 MOA

3. wareagle700: 167-0x / 3.320 MOA (page 1)
Awesome shooting guys!!!

Posting the results again, just to double check and see if the guy that said he has 3 ar 15's that shoot sub moa is in the list. Nope, didn't see him there... We've got 8 guys that have posted up sub moa AR rifles and scores.. New guys that say you have "sub moa" rifles, post them up. Don't be bashful.. Its so easy a caveman can do it..

I dont have 3 ARs that shoot sub MOA.
Did have a couple that did, no longer own

Think I used the word " had" in my other post, but if I didnt, sorry for the confusion. If I did use the proper past tense, then GFY for being a twat about it.

I will try to round up a scope and if I can't, will shoot my carbines w irons and a reddot.

See what my two current and newer POS rifles do.
Dont give a chit what BSA thinks, but am curious to see how bad they and myself are.

Im no competition shooter but aint a Fudd either.

IMHO all rifles need put to paper to see whats what.
Intend to run vmax for yotes.

So that and pmc ball the two ammo choices for initial testing. Think the old Blackills 55gr SP was Hornady bullets way back. Havent seen any in forever.

Shoot it this weekend.. Good luck.

I did the MOA challenge yesterday at 600 yards 20 shots ended up with a 197-6x..

Nice shooting 79S!

Maybe you'll get BSA off the bench yet, or at least shooting on an MR31 target...

You guys are lucky down south with Ben Avery in your area! We use ft Richardson 600yd range. Luckily we have a great range control here.

Absolutely blessed. In the past 5 weeks or so I've been able to shoot at 500 twice ( Phoenix Rod and Gun Club), 1000 once and a Palma once ( Ben Avery) took one weekend off to go camping...

The target i shoot at has the same dimensions as the MR31, or pretty damn close. When are you going to shoot this event? You shoot, you might as well post up some proper targets. The rifle you were using is a bolt action with fancy sights. Pull out your AR and show us something. Beat that iron sight score of mine. This is a shoot off the bench match here. If you want to handicap yourself in another fashion, you are welcome to do that as well. Good luck. As soon as the local police department is done with my range, ill be shooting my new Colt sporter target.

You do realize he’s shooting with a sling and using a glove. Looks like he is shooting Palma match rifle..

Sold my AR a couple of years ago, sorry.
The specified MR31 has 0.75" X and 1.75" 10 ring diameters. A 100 yard Smallbore's 1.00" X and and 2.00" 10 rings per regulations.

Peace Out

Sure I realize that. That's why I asked the question. His rifle barely qualifies for the Moa all day long challenge, according to the rules. I don't even know why it's in the Black Rifle thread?

Have some coffee. I have not posted any targets in this thread.

Bump for Drover.

That was the first place I tried before posting but the link does not work any longer, I also tried a google search but no joy there either. The good news is that I did find one that I can copy and print up some more.

thanks, drover

Nice work guys.

The scoped target of choice is what?

The Village idiot is going to get wood.