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I noticed this pre war R with what looks like d&t in the barrel like the Spiegel rifles ( plus a lot of extra holes).
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/863231310
Did Spiegel offer other rifles besides EGs?

Lee

Thats the first pre war R i have seen with the spiegel holes.

Joe

I've got nothing constructive to add other than noting that one full of holes.

Sheezus.

Maybe i should have looked at all the pics. Lol.

There's a spot under the barrel without a hole.

I always get a chuckle when guys put up pictures to sell a gun and you have to file through a pile of images before you actually get to see the gun.

Makes me grit my teeth when I scroll to the description and it's a thousand words about why they don't want to sell the gun . Don't bid if.... Don't bid if...
Sheesh just describe the dang gun already!
Rant off!.

Holes are one thing , that looks like someone used wood screws in the holes! Still it sold. Like a old friend said , an ass for every seat!

Were there any Spiegel Specials without the roll engraving on the receiver? The few I have seen all were "engraved"'

1) Yes, we've seen a couple prewar 99R's with Spiegel holes. I've got one also in 250-3000.

2) Yes, the earliest Spiegel EG's didn't have the roll stamp on the sides. That came later. At the serial number range this rifle is at, a Spiegel EG wouldn't have a roll stamp.

3) Nobody has ever seen a Spiegel ad with 99R's advertised. 99H's.. but no 99R.

Mine is also drilled for both the top mounting block holes, and a Weaver T-7 just like this one. In fact the Weaver T-7 holes look like the same exact placement as this one.

Lots of holes, but prewar 99R's in 250-3000 are damned rare.

Quite likely these were a similar thing to the Spiegel rifles, just sold through another retail chain. If it wasn't $65 to letter a rifle, I'd send for a letter for mine and try to figure it out. Should have done it when Callahan had the ledgers.


PS: Gene, that cheap Weaver 29S I picked up in Tulsa where you cleaned up will be going on this prewar 99R of mine. Easy way to make the holes look better is to fill them or hide them.

Thanks Calhoun, I thought I remembered someone saying there were Spiegels besides EGs. At least whoever bought it will have plenty of scope mounting options


Lee

This catalog has two models listed, the pictures are not 100% accurate, the front scope block is shown in the wrong place on the EG and the H is totally wrong. This is the first catalog I have seen showing scopes and the only one with Marlin, later catalogs have Mossberg scopes but there are a few catalog issues missing from my list.


Several more Spiegel catalogs pages are here - speigel-catalog-pages-savage-99-related

Here's a list of whats listed in catalogs I have gotten access to, this were done mainly to get information on Savage made 22's & scope options with the 99 info included as a bonus -

Summery of content, updated-
-1933 Fall & Winter, no 99, Stevens pump 22 depicted to look like the Model 75.
-1934 Fall & Winter, Stevens Peerless pump (version of 29-S), 99 barrel band carbine
-1935 Spring & Summer, no 99's, Stevens Peerless pump
-1935 Fall & Winter, 99H & 99 EG "carbine" both listed "with 7/8" sling" (picture below)
-1936 Fall & Winter, 99EG and 23AA with Marlin scopes optional, 99H without scope
-1937 Fall & Winter, listed as 'Stevens NO 29' pump with Mossberg scope , 99 EG with Mossberg scope
-1938 Fall & Winter, now listed as 'Stevens Model 29' with Mossberg scope, 99 EG (no roll stamp) shown with Mossberg scope
-1939 Spring & Summer, 99 EG "De Luxe" - $47.95 without scope, $54.45 with Mossberg scope not 'engraved'
-1940 '75 Years' (?spring & summer?) Model 29 pump, no 99's
-1940 Fall & Winter, Stevens Model 29, 99 EG now with roll stamped 'engraving'
-1941 Spring & Summer, 23 different models of guns available, 99 EG
-1941 Fall & Winter, 30 different models of guns available, Mossberg, Marlin & Savage/Stevens, Model 49 pump 22, 99 EG
-1942 Spring & Summer, 19 different model guns, no 22 pump, no 99, but have a lot of 12 gauges listed
-1942 Fall & Winter, 21 models listed, Model 49 pump, 99 EG, no 12 gauge shotguns, note on production being stopped
-1943 Spring & Summer, 7 models of guns listed Mossberg & Savage/Stevens - 22's & a 22/410 combo - no pump or 99
-1943 Fall & Winter, 8 models total, only Savage/Stevens note of stopped production & limited numbers, 99 EG, 20 & .410 shotguns only, note that all 12's sent to the government.
-1944 Spring & Summer, No guns
-1944 Fall & Winter, No guns, only one pictured, Model 19 target but marked 'unavailable'
-1946 Fall & Winter, 13 models Mossberg, Marlin & Savage/Stevens - SAVAGE Model 29, Savage 99 EG, roll 'engraving' pictured, not described.

I sure would like to see that 99"H" in person. It not only has a crescent buttplate, but it's a takedown with a scnable forend.

The spectrum of what we call "Spiegel's" makes my head hurt.
99EG/R/H, D&T'd, roll stamped or not, partial checked or not, sling studs or not, brass medallion or not, catalog artwork representative or not,...

I wonder if Spiegel's had their own shop. ??
They'd order a standard rifle and Spiegelize it. ??

Pssst.....I think it's a pic of a 99F.

Pazactly !!!!!!!!!!!

I personally don't believe these 99R's are Spiegel rifles, I'd say another retailer. The funky target block holes are the only common denominator.

They are both low enough serial numbers to be lettered. Maybe I'll do that some day.

Really, I was hoping we had found a new variation. Were some "F"s produced with crescent BP's? I think the arteest who drew that one was imbibing in controlled substances.

I think it's just a screwup by the art department who made up the catalog. Cut and pasted in the wrong model. Early in my career I was coordinator with an art department, and artsy guys and gals are interesting folks, but definitely NOT technical.

The 99A and 99H were the only two models cheaper than the 99EG, and the choice of cartridges being 250-3000, 303 and 30-30 seems to mean the true 99H since those were the available cartridges in 99H in 1935/1936.

I had a note about the pictures being wrong, I went back & changed it a little & highlighted it, I think these catalogs have to be prepared several months ahead so they may not have all the correct information & there is no way to make edits later. They did have the picture right for the H the year before as shown in small the attachment. Even Savage's own catalog often to not have fully accurate pictures.