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I enjoyed handloading for decades. It benefited my shooting but for me it was almost as rewarding a hobby as shooting itself. That stage has passed and I only load now for cartridges that are insanely expensive to purchase or difficult to find.
Are you looking for another hobby? Not really. Been reloading shotguns on a 600 Junior since I was a kid and rifles on a Rockchucker since I was in my early 20's. This is about wanting to shoot pistols a lot more, getting into a progressive press, and, being in Cali, getting ahead of the game. Unless you're planning to leave Cali, you are wise to plan for the future there. I don't have a progressive press, but if I lived in Cali, I'd be considering one, stocking up on reloading supplies, and buying lead bullet casting equipment and supplies.
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I don't consider myself a penny pincher, but that's the number I get when, after a lot of research, I place the items I think I am going to need to get set up to reload a single caliber, .45 ACP, in the shopping cart of a popular reloading manufacturer.
At a rough savings of $0.10 / round reloaded over factory (under normal circumstances), that means 13,089 rounds of .45 ACP before I break even, and an initial cash outlay of a couple grand in equipment and components to get there.
By all accounts, it's a great machine, capable of loading many other calibers, but adding equipment to make the press capable of loading another caliber can be, again, a couple hundred bucks per caliber.
I'd like to load .223, .257 Wby, .6.5 Creedmoor, .270, 7-08, .308, .30-06, .300 Win, .380, 9mm, 10mm, .38 Spl, .357 Mag, .41 Mag, and .45 ACP, at LEAST.
Somebody pull me off the ledge, or push me over, please. I could make a couple calls and probably get you everything you need gratis. Dear Santa, I want a new digital powder thrower. Love, Beaver ❤️😂 You might have to spend some of your ascotsandargyle.com money.
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Back when me, dad and bro were shooting sporting clays (2 leagues), trap and skeet - got pretty good at loading cheap.
Then realized that no matter how cheap we got, and assuming our time was FREE, we still couldn't beat the price per box if you ordered a pallet at a time. Literally a pallet of 12 gauge cases on the back of a truck. Rio IIRC
You might be there - if you got the volume, storage and up front cash. The thought has crossed my mind that I might just be better off calling Darrik and Whittakers.
"What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as freedom should not be highly rated." Thomas Paine
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That said, I think that even if you don't shoot enough to ever break even money wise, the satisfaction you get plus the ability to shoot the bullet you want to shoot at the speeds you want makes up for it, at least it does for me.
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Back when me, dad and bro were shooting sporting clays (2 leagues), trap and skeet - got pretty good at loading cheap.
Then realized that no matter how cheap we got, and assuming our time was FREE, we still couldn't beat the price per box if you ordered a pallet at a time. Literally a pallet of 12 gauge cases on the back of a truck. Rio IIRC
You might be there - if you got the volume, storage and up front cash. The thought has crossed my mind that I might just be better off calling Darrik and Whittakers. That was 20 years ago. Given all that's happened, I can't believe the economics have inverted. It ended up being like 15 cents a box but at a couple thousand rounds a week, not counting tournaments- it made sense then.
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I don't consider myself a penny pincher, but that's the number I get when, after a lot of research, I place the items I think I am going to need to get set up to reload a single caliber, .45 ACP, in the shopping cart of a popular reloading manufacturer.
At a rough savings of $0.10 / round reloaded over factory (under normal circumstances), that means 13,089 rounds of .45 ACP before I break even, and an initial cash outlay of a couple grand in equipment and components to get there.
By all accounts, it's a great machine, capable of loading many other calibers, but adding equipment to make the press capable of loading another caliber can be, again, a couple hundred bucks per caliber.
I'd like to load .223, .257 Wby, .6.5 Creedmoor, .270, 7-08, .308, .30-06, .300 Win, .380, 9mm, 10mm, .38 Spl, .357 Mag, .41 Mag, and .45 ACP, at LEAST.
Somebody pull me off the ledge, or push me over, please. I could make a couple calls and probably get you everything you need gratis. Rick do this. I was swayed into the Hornady system years ago whilst still in Cali. The 1000 .45 XTPs gratis is what swayed me. Appreciate the offer, but I'd be much more amenable to a swap/barter or a win/win of some kind (that did not involve hostages  ).
"What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as freedom should not be highly rated." Thomas Paine
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Really?
You guys cant save money by reloading? That’s what I tell my wife, math isn’t her strong suit 
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Damn, I thought that was the ransom amount to be paid to free Flave..... I already had my penny stash counted out... Were I to have remained a California resident, I would have definitely bought reloading gear for handgun ammo. There is a 100% certainty that the state will continue to focus on making ammo as hard to get as possible, and the background check crap is just the first real shot across the bow. I suspect that within 5 years, you will not only have to go through a background check to buy ammo, you'll be limited to something like 100 rounds a month and will have to account for every round. They're going to make it so even the most careful person violates the law and loses his rights. Granted, they'll also probably start regulating the sale of primers, powder and projectiles, but that will be a lot harder to enforce. The ammo bans are low hanging fruit for the nanny state. We all have a duty to fight this fight with California. If they can get away with this anywhere, they can get away with this anywhere.
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With the availability of cheap steel cases Soviet ammo reloading pistol makes no sense imho.
The Russian stuff while a bit dirty is very reliable and incredibly accurate. Who wants to chase pistol brass around anyways... I'm beginning to come around to the cheap Russian steel case as well. Can't shoot it in a managed (indoor) range however They don't allow it.
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Ive been shooting it for years. Had a Glock 19 that ate well over 100,000 rounds of it and never suffered from it
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Yep, reloading supplies are now much more expensive. I don't use enough shotgun ammo to justify the expense. Handguns about even. I shoot a S&W 52 the most and you can not buy wadcutter ammo cheap. I have yet to find a press, powder measure that will through a 2.7g of Bullseye well. Rifles I have odd ones, so much cheaper to reload. 9mm, 45 ACP, 223 it's getting hard to save by reloading. The steel case stuff I do not like, whatever the price. Might be foolish on my part but I value my firearms.
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I notice no one has as of yet recommended that I load .45 ACP on my Rockchucker ... all I'd need is dies.
Saw a YouTube video of a guy loading handgun ammo on a single-stage. I'm thinking only in an emergency would I be compelled to pull the handle that many times per round.
"What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as freedom should not be highly rated." Thomas Paine
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I notice no one has as of yet recommended that I load .45 ACP on my Rockchucker ... all I'd need is dies.
Saw a YouTube video of a guy loading handgun ammo on a single-stage. I'm thinking only in an emergency would I be compelled to pull the handle that many times per round. I'd never do semi auto on the 'Chucker but 45Colt for the Vaquero? Yeah...
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Yeah, wheelgun stuff on the Rockchucker I can see. Makes sense.
"What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as freedom should not be highly rated." Thomas Paine
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The job can be done for less. If one wants to go Dillion then all bets are off. 
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Is this about loading large quantities of ammo or is it about California’s push to regulate gun ownership out of existence?
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Couple of 550's here.
Well worth the investment and GREAT for precision rifle loads.
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I notice no one has as of yet recommended that I load .45 ACP on my Rockchucker ... all I'd need is dies.
Saw a YouTube video of a guy loading handgun ammo on a single-stage. I'm thinking only in an emergency would I be compelled to pull the handle that many times per round. I load 45 HP on my single stage, but normally just a few hundred rounds for testing and loading for defense. Practice ammo you need a progressive. I have a progressive for volume runs. If you’re doing straight wall, do yourself a favor and get the lee crimp die, I love those things.
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What are you buying, a Camdex 2100?
I have a lee loadmaster that I use for the handgun stuff. I can get 400 rounds per hour out of it pretty easily. About 1/3 the cost of a Dillon 750 too! Yeah, the Dillon is a better press but I haven’t had any issues with any of the ammo the LM has produced.
With the exception of 223 blasting ammo, I reload rifle ammo on my single stage or turret press.
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I don’t load 45 ACP, 9mm, 380, 22lr, or 12 ga
I do load 44 mag...
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