[ Oh, and remember this: If that 115 grain winchester silvertip had penetrated 2" more in Miami, You would have never heard of the 40 Smith and Wesson.
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A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
[quote=jorgeI][ Better do some reading...Jerry Dove shot Platt...his partner Ben Grogan was the one who could not see...
You can always post it here and we can all learn, because it goes against what I read and saw on the presentation. Here is the video. It's addressed in here, but maybe he's wrong. (go to 29:50 in the video where the glasses issue is discussed).
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A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
More like FBI agents died in the shootout because none of them could hit [bleep] for shinola and it took one FBI guy with his arm half blowed off and a riot gun at point blank to terminate the perps. MB
Well almost . The FBI agent who had the 9mm had apparently poor eyesight and lost his glasses in the imbroglio so he couldn't see well. His one hit was that 9mm round that stopped short...
Better do some reading...Jerry Dove shot Platt...his partner Ben Grogan was the one who could not see...
Sorry but it was Jerry Dove that lost his glasses and couldn't see well without them. Yes Jerry Dove is the one that shot Platt.
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The .22 Long Rifle has an excellent record on wild game.
Squirrels and grizzlies aren't the same, and neither are 120-lb hood rats and 240-lb meth heads. The latter comparison is always missing or poorly defined whenever I read up on shooting statistics. The results of the shooting are important, but so is WHAT was shot. There are plenty of bad guys, where if I could decide on the spot, I'd pick a .40 S&W over a 9mm.
I don't put much stake in cartridge 'shootability' comparisons. They always contain an "everything else the same" element that I can ignore. If I choose to select a cartridge with more power I can also choose a gun with more weight or barrel length. I can pick a 20-oz 9mm or a 30-oz .40 S&W and the shootability debate is moot.
The .40 S&W is a bigger hammer. I can offset any negatives with pistol size. Sure, gun size and weight can be a negative all by itself, but that sword cuts both ways - we can compare shooting times and accuracy of a mouse gun in 9mm and a .Hi-Power in 40 S&W.
Anyhow, I enjoy the debate.
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The .22 Long Rifle has an excellent record on wild game.
Squirrels and grizzlies aren't the same, and neither are 120-lb hood rats and 240-lb meth heads. The latter comparison is always missing or poorly defined whenever I read up on shooting statistics. The results of the shooting are important, but so is WHAT was shot. There are plenty of bad guys, where if I could decide on the spot, I'd pick a .40 S&W over a 9mm.
I don't put much stake in cartridge 'shootability' comparisons. They always contain an "everything else the same" element that I can ignore. If I choose to select a cartridge with more power I can also choose a gun with more weight or barrel length. I can pick a 20-oz 9mm or a 30-oz .40 S&W and the shootability debate is moot.
The .40 S&W is a bigger hammer. I can offset any negatives with pistol size. Sure, gun size and weight can be a negative all by itself, but that sword cuts both ways - we can compare shooting times and accuracy of a mouse gun in 9mm and a .Hi-Power in 40 S&W.
Anyhow, I enjoy the debate.
I've got a .40 S&W conversion barrel for my Glock 20, and it's a positive pleasure to shoot with that barrel installed. Shot to shot placement is about like a Glock 19. I'd much rather carry the Glock 19, though.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
Jorge, this is just my opinion, but I think that half the known world transitioned to the 40 S&W because the FBI did. They were following the FBI's lead.
exactly! Here's another curve ball; the Secret Service uses the 357 SIG....
Why do they use the .357 SIG?
No idea, but I'm sure some government bureaucrat came up with the TOE>
The secret service has always had a "thing" with having something different. I remember some years back, they had Remington PSS rifles chambered for 7mm Rem Mag.
Just a WAG, but I’d think it has to do with barrier penetration. Doesn’t the 357Sig perform better than most in that area?
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Just a WAG, but I’d think it has to do with barrier penetration. Doesn’t the 357Sig perform better than most in that area?
No.
Yes. There is no doubt about that. The 9 MMS +P nor the 45 ACP +P will not penetration hard barriers as well as the 357 Sig. The 357 Sig is the only service cartridge that I've shot that penetrated through 1/8" steel plate
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Just a WAG, but I’d think it has to do with barrier penetration. Doesn’t the 357Sig perform better than most in that area?
No.
Yes. There is no doubt about that. The 9 MMS +O nor the 45 ACP +P will not penetration hard barriers as well as the 357 Sig. The 357 Sig us the only service cartridge that I've shot that peneyrated through 1/8" steel plate
What do they all do on a car door?
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My point is that finding one loading of one type of cartridge that goes through one type of barrier isn't going to be the deciding factor when you're equipping 20K + cops.
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My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
Just a WAG, but I’d think it has to do with barrier penetration. Doesn’t the 357Sig perform better than most in that area?
No.
Yes. There is no doubt about that. The 9 MMS +P nor the 45 ACP +P will not penetration hard barriers as well as the 357 Sig. The 357 Sig is the only service cartridge that I've shot that penetrated through 1/8" steel plate
Wouldn't that be more a function of the specific bullet used?
Just a WAG, but I’d think it has to do with barrier penetration. Doesn’t the 357Sig perform better than most in that area?
No.
Yes. There is no doubt about that. The 9 MMS +P nor the 45 ACP +P will not penetration hard barriers as well as the 357 Sig. The 357 Sig is the only service cartridge that I've shot that penetrated through 1/8" steel plate
Wouldn't that be more a function of the specific bullet used?
No bullet from 9am +P or 45 ACL +P penetrate q/8" plate.
JHP's in 357 Sig penetrated the 1/8" plate. Heavy brass jacketed flat points would penetrate one plate and leave a large dent on the second 1/8" plate
Speed penetrates steel
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