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I put some guns into a category I call Vermin Rifles. They were made for dispatching vermin from around the campfire or the garden. That's how I see the function of the 99 410 barrel. Its a vermin dispatcher for the times when a center fire would be bringing too much to the party. I like to think the original idea was to use them as I have used mine. I took my .303 on a caribou trip, my brother and I each killed good bou's with it and, with a few days left to kill before fly-out, we fished and I hunted spruce grouse and ptarmigan with my .410 barrel equipped 99. It made a welcome addition to the menu in camp.
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I like to think the original idea was to use them as I have used mine. I took my .303 on a caribou trip, my brother and I each killed good bou's with it and, with a few days left to kill before fly-out, we fished and I hunted spruce grouse and ptarmigan with my .410 barrel equipped 99. It made a welcome addition to the menu in camp.
Yes, that is exactly what its intended purpose was. Savage marketed to sportsman to do what sportsman do. To the OP. 410 barrels were offered from ~ 1920-40. 22" lightweight, 24" medium and 26" regular barrels. They came in a variety of O.D's. In general the 22" were for 99F & 99G's. In general the 24" were for 99A & 99B's. Although these could be used with F's & G's. The 26" were for the long guns. So you would be well served to locate a 410 barrel (22", 24", 26") that goes with your rifle. Adjusting the barrel index if needed is easy to do. Adding a lug? Doable with the right parts, know how & desire. Not a slam dunk. Making the rifle cycle 410 shells? Only seen one. JeffG I think?? Doable, but,...
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Yes, the 410 barrel will work with any takedown 99, any chambering. No factory fitting needed. The catalogs state - "Rifle should be sent to factory for necessary fitting or adjustment to the receiver". Having fitted one myself I found it didn't just don't screw in, it was quite a job getting the barrel to fit my gun. It did not index correctly and I had to do some relief work in the receiver to deepen the extractor slot so the action could close on a 410 shell - The rim diameter of a .410 is larger than any of the other chamberings. I know another member had issues with the extractor when he tried to fit a barrel, I believe he took some metal off the extractor. Rim spec's - .410 ---- .528" 22HP ---- .500" 25-35 --- .506" 250-300 - .470" 30-30 --- .502" 300 Sav - .470" 303 Sav - .501" 32-40 --- .506" 38-55 --- .506 Attached are pictures of my only take down, 22 HP, by my measurements with the thin contour barrel the little indent for the lug attaching screw would only leave about 0.020" material with a .410 bore, with just the dovetail there would be 0.056", I don't know if that would be considered enough to be safe or not. I was waiting for somebody to jump in with that. I agree that they need fitting. But that's now how they were sold for a long time. They changed that later. From 1921 to 1928, you were just to specify which 99 you had when you ordered the 410 barrel: 1921 ad introducing it: "And remember the .410 gauge barrel is interchangeable with any regular barrel in any caliber on any Model '99 Take-Down Savage Rifle. ... In ordering be sure to specify if your rifle is a featherweight or a regular model." 1922 price list: ".410 Gauge Auxiliary Shotgun Barrel, ... In ordering specify STYLE and CALIBER of rifle." Same on 1924 price list. 1927 catalog. "When ordering specify Model Letter and caliber of rifle." 1928 catalog makes no mention of mailing it it, nor of specifying the model, but the 1928 price list still says to specify model and caliber when ordering. In 1931 they finally say to send it to the factory. But this was 10 years after it was introduced. You could check the 1929/1930 catalogs. PS: I was being a bit of a smartaleck to only mention the early years.. I was curious who would catch the later years where you were to send it in. Sorry.. cooped up at home too long.
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I picked up a 38-55 takedown carbine that got fitted with a 410 barrel. Since the barrels are different sizes it took two forearms, one for each barrel. I would love to take it up north and hunt moose and ptarmigan.
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38-55 and 410. You got my attention!
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38-55 and 410. You got my attention! It's a beater. The 38-55 was discontinued by the time the 410 barrels were offered.
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Stop trying to dump water on my fire! It cant be that bad!
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Just took out a 1925 99G cased set and a 1920 1899A SR takedown.
Two 24" barrels both fit the 1925 99G well enough, though one of the barrels is a later 1930's heavyweight barrel. The 22" barrel wasn't even close on the 99G.
None of the barrels fit the 1920 SR. Which is a shame, that heavyweight 24" would fit the forearm.
So I agree with Gene that they need to be fitted. It's just that Savage sold a bunch without fitting. Or appears to have.
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Ahhhhhh a cased set. I missed a real nice set about 40 years ago for a 1980 price! I've been looking for a nice set since. I see them, but pretty high prices on not a lot of condition sets...... One day I'll find my set......
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Stop trying to dump water on my fire! It cant be that bad! I picked it up because I'd never seen a 38-55 takedown carbine. It had a big chip out of the stock at the tang, a split forearm, and three drilled and tapped holes. But, I have replacement original wood for it and it's cool factor through the roof.
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Gary I thought you wanted to put one together full choke 3 inch for a turkey shoot or some such thing.
I found a single shot saveake barrel and turned the shank but that was a s far as that got. I also have a 20xxx receiver with most of its parts in the project pile.
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Yeah, Chris, I played with the notion maybe ten years ago or so. The .410-based turkey shoots dried up in our area so nobody's doing it anymore. My idea was to have a heavy 1899A takedown .303 barrel bored/choked/chambered for .410 and fitted to one of my 1899H's utilizing standard rifle barrel attachment protocols, not the Savage arrangement. (I figured such a barrel would have the most "meat" in it for the project, out of all Savage barrels. I still feel that way.) I went so far as to acquire the donor barrel, a .303 with a worse than sewer pipe bore, and then focus changed. I remember that Shilen had told me they could handle the boring/chamber for a fairly reasonable price. I would've then fitted the barrel myself. I still have that unaltered derelict barrel, but not the inclination to use it.
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I picked up a 38-55 takedown carbine that got fitted with a 410 barrel. Since the barrels are different sizes it took two forearms, one for each barrel. I would love to take it up north and hunt moose and ptarmigan. The matching forearm with barrel seems like a good solution. Not to be picky but, Savage made a 38-55, a take down and a carbine. Did Savage roll them all together in a model/variation? Or is this a "modified" 38-55 of some model? 20" or 22". Just curious is all.
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Yeah, Chris, I played with the notion maybe ten years ago or so. The .410-based turkey shoots dried up in our area so nobody's doing it anymore. My idea was to have a heavy 1899A takedown .303 barrel bored/choked/chambered for .410 and fitted to one of my 1899H's utilizing standard rifle barrel attachment protocols, not the Savage arrangement. (I figured such a barrel would have the most "meat" in it for the project, out of all Savage barrels. I still feel that way.) I went so far as to acquire the donor barrel, a .303 with a worse than sewer pipe bore, and then focus changed. I remember that Shilen had told me they could handle the boring/chamber for a fairly reasonable price. I would've then fitted the barrel myself. I still have that unaltered derelict barrel, but not the inclination to use it. That's interesting
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I picked up a 38-55 takedown carbine that got fitted with a 410 barrel. Since the barrels are different sizes it took two forearms, one for each barrel. I would love to take it up north and hunt moose and ptarmigan. The matching forearm with barrel seems like a good solution. Not to be picky but, Savage made a 38-55, a take down and a carbine. Did Savage roll them all together in a model/variation? Or is this a "modified" 38-55 of some model? 20" or 22". Just curious is all. You tell me. #122,xxx, 20" barrel, matching numbers everywhere. Top is with original wood with a big chunk missing at the tang. I had plans to feather a repair in but then found another buttstock instead. I may still repair the original when I have time. Under that is .410 barrel with forearm and donor latch assembly in second forearm plus new old buttstock.
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I have 3 cased sets extra 4 10 barrels 22 24 and 1 26 inch that goes to my 1899 a 38/55 I remember fug was pretty interested in the 26 inch barrel must be a little hard to come by any body have one beside FUG
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