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We don't need the junk they make. Even if its our companies have things made over there. There's just about always an option to buy it home made, and if there isn't we probably didn't need it anyways. Seriously their gov't needs to be spanked and spanked hard and "we" can do it. Companies will eventually get it and move factories somewhere else. That's all I got.


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I’m all for boycotting China but I’m typing this from an iPhone made in China while watching a tv made in China.

Manufacturing needs to come back. Say what you want about millennials...but they didn’t create our made in China world. Us cheap bastards did in the 70s and 80s


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Yup, the race to the bottom started decades ago and kicked in to full gear with global trade in the 90s. Don't have anything against global trade, just the Chinese govt.

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We can’t just “buy american” anymore. Hell half ton gm trucks are made in Mexico and dodge is owned by fiat.

We could come a long damn way though by buying American when we possible and buying from allies when it’s not possible. F:;K China


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Originally Posted by Quak
I’m all for boycotting China but I’m typing this from an iPhone made in China while watching a tv made in China.

Manufacturing needs to come back. Say what you want about millennials...but they didn’t create our made in China world. Us cheap bastards did in the 70s and 80s



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Wonder why all that manufacturing left the USA.


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Originally Posted by dale06
Wonder why all that manufacturing left the USA.


When the bean counters started to run things. If something could be produced for one cent less in China, production went to China, no thought went into the real costs, lost industries, jobs, whole towns dying. The bean counters got promoted, and received big bonuses, and it got worse and worse. The Chinese were selling liner board on the West Coast cheaper than American mills could make it. The box manufacturers bought Chinese and American mills shut down.


Imagine a corporate oligarchy so effective, so advanced and fine tuned that its citizens still call it a democracy.



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Originally Posted by Salty303
Yup, the race to the bottom started decades ago and kicked in to full gear with global trade in the 90s. Don't have anything against global trade, just the Chinese govt.

Originally Posted by Quak
We can’t just “buy american” anymore. Hell half ton gm trucks are made in Mexico and dodge is owned by fiat.

We could come a long damn way though by buying American when we possible and buying from allies when it’s not possible. F:;K China


Those 2 quotes sum it up.

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Originally Posted by Borchardt
Originally Posted by dale06
Wonder why all that manufacturing left the USA.


When the bean counters started to run things. If something could be produced for one cent less in China, production went to China, no thought went into the real costs, lost industries, jobs, whole towns dying. The bean counters got promoted, and received big bonuses, and it got worse and worse. The Chinese were selling liner board on the West Coast cheaper than American mills could make it. The box manufacturers bought Chinese and American mills shut down.


Those bean counters had a name, ... McKinsey and company, global management consulting

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Pretty hard to beat China when we are educating all their best minds. China has invested huge sums in many colleges, which means Chinese scholars get to go to these colleges. One example is Li's daughter who went to Harvard. China gave Harvard over $93 million dollars. They are investing (much like the Muslims) in many colleges across the US. It's totally ridiculous.


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Salty303: I have been doing so since about 1975. But I indeed do need to intensify my efforts to completely "boycott the chi-coms and their Wuhan Red Death enabling business's".
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Originally Posted by Borchardt
Originally Posted by dale06
Wonder why all that manufacturing left the USA.


When the bean counters started to run things. If something could be produced for one cent less in China, production went to China, no thought went into the real costs, lost industries, jobs, whole towns dying. The bean counters got promoted, and received big bonuses, and it got worse and worse. The Chinese were selling liner board on the West Coast cheaper than American mills could make it. The box manufacturers bought Chinese and American mills shut down.

It wasn’t just one cent less.


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The bean counters were reacting to two situations- - - - -exorbitant federal, state, and local taxation of the companies they worked for, and extortion by unions at the bargaining table. Would Ford, GM, and Chrysler have gone out of country with production lines if the United Outta Workers hadn't strangled the goose that laid the golden eggs almost to death?
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Originally Posted by Salty303
We don't need the junk they make. Even if its our companies have things made over there. There's just about always an option to buy it home made, and if there isn't we probably didn't need it anyways. Seriously their gov't needs to be spanked and spanked hard and "we" can do it. Companies will eventually get it and move factories somewhere else. That's all I got.


Your delusions are so quaint.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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We can't compete with China because of the EPA, OSHA and the unions. Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama sucked the global warming bs hook line and sinker and sold US out.


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Originally Posted by Hotrod_Lincoln
The bean counters were reacting to two situations- - - - -exorbitant federal, state, and local taxation of the companies they worked for, and extortion by unions at the bargaining table. Would Ford, GM, and Chrysler have gone out of country with production lines if the United Outta Workers hadn't strangled the goose that laid the golden eggs almost to death?
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Not really disagreeing, as I know nothing about the union situatuon in the rust belt, but imo it wasn't just the union issue with labor. In my area pre-NAFTA, there were all kinds of little factories, mainly churning out denim jeans, shirts, coats, sports uniforms, underwear, etc. As soon as NAFTA was signed, every single one of those factories locked the doors and fled to Mexico. They may have been lying but they blamed labor costs on the way out of town, basically flipping the bird to their former American workers.

IMO rural America has never recovered from NAFTA. Small towns depended on those jobs. Nothing has ever replaced them and these towns have never recovered, in 35 years. China is a problem but Mexico isn't far behind.

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Originally Posted by Salty303
We don't need the junk they make. Even if its our companies have things made over there. There's just about always an option to buy it home made, and if there isn't we probably didn't need it anyways. Seriously their gov't needs to be spanked and spanked hard and "we" can do it. Companies will eventually get it and move factories somewhere else. That's all I got.


Your delusions are so quaint.


No delusions just not into buying Chinese junk. If many do the same they will notice.

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Originally Posted by TrueGrit
We can't compete with China because of the EPA, OSHA and the unions. Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama sucked the global warming bs hook line and sinker and sold US out.


Government regulation, liability litigation, the US welfare situation, and many other things make it impossible to compete with production costs in third world countries that don't impose the same requirements. It is actually cheaper to produce things in third world countries and ship them to the US and Europe. This is not by accident. This is by design. The players mentioned above are all globalists and advocate the elimination of populism. I think it was Nixon who opened up relations with China. Carter gave away the Panama Canal. Clinton got NAFTA approved. Anyone with a little common sense could see these things were not beneficial to the US.
Bringing production back to the US makes sense so we can assure adequate supplies in times of crisis. The cost of those products will increase significantly unless we roll back the things that pushed production overseas in the first place.

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Fugg that, I need some casters and chit. But, I am proud to say I just purchased a Made In USA 14" Flying pan. But I used a $10 vanity light fixture from THERE. But but but I got an air compressor kinda partially US Made, enough to have stickers and chit........ Saving up for a new cutting board.....
Ohh, I got an 240V hour meter for $9 and it ain't domestic! To balance that out I got a US Made belt..... Damnit, that flat washer assortment for $4, yep.....

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Y’all can start by throwing your cancer causing zantac in the trash that the chinese intentionally tainted

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