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all human populations of any size need to be completely removed from the range of the horses so they can range free, and not have their happiness curtailed by people, also trace back the lines and send a bill to Spain, or maybe tap casino $$, the indians have to be held partly responsible


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This mess goes back to the 60's and a woman named Velma Bronn Johnston, aka Wild Horse Annie. She was an animal rights nut case who lobbied congress until they folded and passed the Wild Horse and Burro Act. Like a bunch of idiots, they didn't put a clause in the act as to what would happen when the horses reached epidemic numbers. It'll take a literal act of congress to reverse the law and try to bring some sense back into it. Don't expect it any time soon.

We have a similar and equally destructive law with marine mammals. The sea lions and seals are destroying our salmon runs and there's no effective way to stop it.


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I think that either 2 options are viable:

1) Issue licenses to hunters and let them reduce the heard significantly, or

2) Sell the hoses to those that want to remove and save them.

Either way, the population is reduced.

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Originally Posted by Hastings
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They need to be hunted and shot on sight like the invasive species they are.
Exactly, you don't hear people bitching about hogs being eradicated.
Proves that good looks help you get ahead in life. Even for animals. Hogs aren't cute.


The only thing worse than a crazy cat lady...

Is a crazy HORSE lady.

I've known several.

That's why we have a feral horse problem.

Those old bitches have lots of money from their divorced/dead husbands to feed the politicians and pet horse projects. mad


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I like symbols of the wild west that never was. The cattle should be limited to long horns.
Maybe reintroduce some bison.

You can bet Colorado will vote to introduce non native wolves. That should take care of the foals.

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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Agency cites 'staggering' cost of reining in US wild horses

RENO — Federal land managers say it will take two decades and cost more than $1 billion over the first six years alone to slash wild horse populations to sustainable levels necessary to protect U.S. rangeland.

The Bureau of Land Management’s latest plans envision capturing 200,000 mustangs over the next two decades. It also wants to build corrals to hold thousands more than current capacity and adopt regulations allowing the permanent sterilization of horses roaming federal lands for the first time.

“The overall funding requirements could be staggering,” the bureau acknowledged in a report to Congress this week.

The strategy underscores the volatility of the decades-long controversy pitting horse advocates against ranchers whose livestock compete for federally subsidized forage across 10 western states.

“The estimates in this analysis are intended to identify to committees the severity of program challenges,” the agency said.

The 25-page report repeats 10 separate times that the estimates “should not be construed to imply Administration support for particular levels of appropriations for this program beyond FY 2021.”

However, it also suggests Congress should put its money where its mouth is when it comes to managing mustangs, noting that language congressional conferees included in the Interior Department’s last appropriation bill states it is “incumbent upon the bureau to request the funding necessary to address this growing problem.”

The bureau says if nothing is done to curb annual growth rates of herds that naturally double every four or five years, the number of wild horses and burros on the range could exceed 2.8 million by 2040.

It stops short of repeating past requests to eliminate prohibitions on the resale of excess horses for slaughter.

But horse defenders said that’s clearly the intention of painting such a dire picture of the challenges. They argue horses grazing federal land are dramatically outnumbered by cattle that cause significantly more ecological damage.

“By prioritizing the failed approach of mass roundup and warehousing of tens of thousands of wild horses in holding facilities, the agency is setting the stage for the ultimate slaughter of these American icons,” said Suzanne Roy, executive director of the American Wild Horse Campaign.

Rep. Raul Grijalva, D-Arizona, chairman of the House Natural Resources Committee, said a more sustainable path would require use of fertility controls, “not surgical sterilization or other inhumane methods.”

“This report envisions massive roundups without a viable plan for dealing with the horses once they’ve left the range,” he said. “It’s almost as if the BLM is setting itself up for failure.”

The bureau maintains the range can only support 27,000 horses — something horse advocates dispute.

The agency said it captured 80,000 horses and burros during the 1990s. By 2000, about 48,000 remained on the range, with 10,000 in holding facilities. Now, it estimates 88,000 roam the range, with 47,000 in government corrals and off-range pastures.

It plans more contraception research but warns “using only short-term fertility control vaccines at any scale” won’t significantly reduce on-range populations.

Kaitlynn Glover, executive director of the Public Lands Council and National Cattlemen Beef Association Natural Resources, said the report “provides clear and welcome recognition of the hard decisions that are necessary to protect our rangelands and the animals themselves.”

Nevada Farm Bureau Executive Vice President Doug Busselman said accelerated roundups and sterilizations are long overdue.

“The current condition of over-population is not acceptable,” he said.

Congress allocated $80 million annually for the efforts from 2011 to 2019. The bureau estimates it needs $900 million over the first five years to rein in herds — $116 million next year, growing to $238 million by year five.

“With potentially more than 250,000 animals being held in off-range pastures, a spike in daily feed rates could dramatically increase out-year funding needs,” it said.


A politician that cannot turn a cost into an income should never be in office.

1. State land could be tendered out for pro culling. Pro cullers usually bring in freezer containers and sell the meat to pet food companies. Income for both parties.
2. Private land -same thing or just open the land to hunters.

The later I have participated in and it makes a great opportunity to try bullets and loads which is what I did. When I culled in Oz, we followed up next day as the pigs moved in and devoured the carcasses and they were the most savage and aggressive pigs I'd seen in a lifetime. They also made great shooting.


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Those wild burros should be given names- - - -like Pelosi, Schumer, Watters, Jackson-Lee, Newsome, etc. Nothing like loading up and taking revenge on a surrogate for the real thing!
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Can't even feed 'em to the Frenchies anymore.

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WASHINGTON — A ban on slaughtering horses for meat has been renewed after a group of bipartisan animal lovers in Congress got it included in a massive spending bill that President Trump signed last week.

“The slaughter of horses for human consumption is a barbaric practice that must end,” said Rep. Vern Buchanan, R-Fla., co-chairman of the Animal Protection Caucus, a bipartisan group of more than 100 members of Congress.

Although eating horse meat is considered taboo in the United States, customs are different in parts of Europe and Asia. China is one of the largest consumers of horse meat.

The last three horse slaughterhouses — two in Texas and one in Illinois — were closed in 2007. Opponents of horse slaughter fear that lifting the ban would result in those plantsre-opening.

A temporary ban on horse slaughter was set to expire Friday, until the Animal Protection Caucus convinced congressional leaders to insert it at the last-minute onto page 129 of a sweeping 2,232-page, $1.3 trillion spending bill that Congress passed late last week. The House Rules Committee had earlier refused to allow a separate vote on the provision.

“Our American values support the protection of these animals; our federal policies should continue to reflect that,” the caucus wrote in a December letter to House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., and House Appropriations Chairman Rodney Frelinghuysen, R-N.J.

Banning horse slaughter has become an annual fight, prompting Buchanan, caucus co-chairman Rep. Earl Blumenauer, D-Ore., and more than 200 bipartisan co-sponsors in the House to introduce a bill to permanently bar the practice.

The bill was also introduced in the Senate by Sens. Bob Menendez, D-N.J.; Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.; Sheldon Whitehouse, D-R.I.; and Susan Collins, R-Maine.

Their bill, the Safeguard American Food Exports (SAFE) Act, would also outlaw the export of live horses to Mexican and Canadian slaughterhouses.

Supporters of the legislation point to a 2012 poll conducted by Lake Research Partners on behalf of the ASPCA animal rights group that showed 80% of Americans oppose to the slaughter of U.S. horses for human consumption.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...wal-spending-law-trump-signed/459076002/


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The government should allow horse slaughter houses again. Sell the meat for dog food or to the French. Feral horses and cattle need to be eradicated from BLM & National Forest lands, big game lives matter.

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Yes. The wild horse and burrow act was most certainly a not well thought out document. Oregon has and is keeping its herds well in hand. Nevada, however, is habitually sued over every round up attempt. Maybe turn them into a state managed game animal, and the population will crash within 5 years.

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For those with the facilities and horse sense, there are likely some good steeds available for adoption. Mother Nature is pretty good at weeding out the weak and infirm. Round ups and a transition to chicken/pet food is likely the most economic solution, but sadly horses now reside in the pet category for most of North America.

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$300 bounty on each one, and Bubba and Jose will have the problem fixed in one year...

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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by Pat85
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They need to be hunted and shot on sight like the invasive species they are.
Exactly, you don't hear people bitching about hogs being eradicated.
Proves that good looks help you get ahead in life. Even for animals. Hogs aren't cute.


The only thing worse than a crazy cat lady...

Is a crazy HORSE lady.

I've known several.

That's why we have a feral horse problem.

Those old bitches have lots of money from their divorced/dead husbands to feed the politicians and pet horse projects. mad


Exactly. They’re like animal hoarders. Get 5-10 animals on 5 acres, and act like they’re doing the horses a favor...

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Good idea, but it's a bitch to load those things up.


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I can't stand the fuggin things. They haze mule deer and pronghorn off water holes. Big rats. My dogs would love to eat one.
The entire " but they're pretty" argument.. can we coin the phrase 'toxic femininity' yet?

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They need to be managed like any other wild animal resource. Hunting would be a useful tool to manage numbers and put some money in the coffers.

I like horses, was raised with them, but wild horse populations need to be managed in a sensible way.

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Crazy horse women, oh yeah, that's a real thing. My mother was one. Growing up, we were always 'horse poor'......grin

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My brother in Winnemucca is a range management consultant to the ranching industry. He has been doing that for over 30 years- right after he quit BLM after several years when his bosses woud not let him do actual range management (in favor of paperwork and political busy-work)

He could tell you stories.... some of them about horses and burros. He and his BLM hunting buddy once roped me a wild burro for pack use for up here, but I never managed to get down to get it.

Over the years he has adopted at least a half dozen wild horses, which mostly turned out to be good steeds, used in his business, but mostly for elk hunting in the fall.. At one point, some pin-headed BLM adoption person from the East tried to prevent him from adopting another one, as he had already adopted several. He pinned her ears to the wall.... smile

There aren't nearly enough adopters to handle the problem. I don't want to see these animals go to waste, so slaughterhouses and sale for pet and human consumption is the only sensible answer. Which is unlikely to happen.

Warehousing animals isn't the answer, nor is sterilization and release, for obvious reasons.

If it isn't already on the books, surely a clever politition could slip a wild and invasive species through in some othe bill if they had the will - or got paid enough. Then it could be fought out in court? Hell, EPA regs ought to cover it already, I would think.


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Originally Posted by shootbrownelk
The government should allow horse slaughter houses again. Sell the meat for dog food or to the French. Feral horses and cattle need to be eradicated from BLM & National Forest lands, big game lives matter.



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Three reasons there are wild horses out of control.

First was the Misfits, the Monroe movie with the horse roundups.

Second was Wild Horse Annie.

Third, there are about 300 million Americans who have never cared for, never ridden, much less had responsibility for any equine. About 30 million of those are crazy women who always wanted a pony but never got one.


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