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Why? He's legal...

Bingo and my house isn't the only one 200 feet away the buy behind is just a little over 200 feet as well

Did we find a solution to this one yet?

Reached a consensus?

Like over in the Trayvon II thread?

Like The Corona threads?

Like the Leupold threads?

Just because something is legal doesn't mean it should be done or that it's safe. There's no way I'd want to live 200' directly behind that berm.

You're in Florida, and did I correctly hear available for free lance work?

Perhaps she could use an expert opinion regarding the containment features of the range. If he's using steel does it have the proper negative attitude, is the hole deep enough, and the back wall material sufficiently soft and vertical to contain anything fired into it regardless of the size, rapidity, or nature of the load.

If as Misty alleges, it just a bare hole regularly subjected to an intense pounding by her neighbor and his friends, the impacts of time could causes changes in the material. In the press video, it appears to be build on sandy soil. Fresh virgin sand is an excellent bullet stop. It allows deep, consistent penetration regardless of load, hard fmj's, soft lead, or open tip loads which quickly expend their energy into the pliable backstop are all readily contained.

As Misty pointed out, problems can arise as this material becomes weathered and aged, and is subjected to hard use, It naturally looses it's pliability and other natural qualities that permit fresh materials to seamlessly absorb any impact without the risk of ricochets spilling over into neighboring area's. This potential could be exasperates, if, as Misty alleges, no additional barrier was placed as promised, there's no mound, and all brush was removed.

Brush removal isn't always a negative. A hot round in the wrong bush can lead to a real sticky situation. If an unwanted brush fire rages out of control it can seriously impact the entire community, and create legal consequences for everyone involved for a couple of decades. Although it can have it's benefits, not everyone likes the bare look. Some prefer selective grooming of natural growth. Of course this can require regular maintenance before use, which will cause some owners, especially those of high usage facilities to go with the minimalist approach of just a bare hole. The clean well defined lines of a new subterranean range can be very appealing to a new owner, but the ravages of time and hard use typically don't treat them well, and you can end up with just an ugly eyesore that nobody wants to see.

Fortunately there are specialist who can rejuvenate old ranges. One technique is lead remediation. The involves removal of the hardened external layer of the backstop that's taken the brunt of the hard use. For range that regularly receive fire form extremely large rifles that deliver very large diameter deep penetrating rounds, rejuvenation can be significantly more expensive, and require the removal of additional material. Not all ranges will support such efforts. It's common for ranges over used ranges, especially public ranges, and those on or near military bases to be permanently closed to prevent the spread of contaminates. Soldiers like to shoot their guns, and they have a lot of big guns, but if lead gets into the surrounding ground water, sometimes there's no choice. I don't see this as a real risk. It sounds like this range is just used by the owner and a few close friends.

As previously mentioned, there's several options available for barrier materials. Steel plates can significantly reduce the wear on the back wall. Personally I'm very careful when choosing steel. I only choose the thickest most resilient steel for reputable manufacturers. I have a very long barreled gun that provide me a significant advantage when stalking highly sought after elusive quarry. Unfortunately even with the highest quality materials, this can lead to shortened barrier life, and with cheap products, frequent unintended breakage. To mitigate this, some range owners like to use a secondary barrier of a spongy material such as wood. Railroad ties are a popular options. Some people like treated ties. Although they may last longer and the nature of some treatments such as creosote, and bind with and further inhibit the projectiles, I'm not a fan of the smell or discoloration and prefer bare wood. Unfortunately there is a limited life for most wood, and if the owner wants to use it past about 60 years, it's increasingly likely they will need some kind of chemical treatment. Sixty year old chemically treated wood is seldom as good as young wood, but it can still get the job done, and some range owners appreciate the character, and familiarity, especially if they've had the same wood for decades.

Misty also suggest turning the range around. Range orientation can be critical for everyone's enjoyment. Although I haven't seen a diagram, and it's hard to tell from the video, It sounds like it's currently facing Misty's backdoor, and concussion from the owner and his friends banging away with their big guns is a new, disconcerting experience for her. Regardless, the changes she's proposing can be very expensive, costing the shooter a significant amounts of time and money. He can't just abandon the existing range, but would have to hire lawyers and get permits and even go to court. Getting rid of a range is a long tedious process, and although the shooters might appreciate a new freshly dug hole, a range with the wrong orientation, just might not work for him. Most shooters are pretty traditional and not willing to give up a large portion of their assets so their friends can bang at their own backdoor but appreciate easy comfort and familiarity of a normally oriented range.


Misty, perhaps the greatest range professional on The Fire is Dave. He's the embodiment of professionalism, managed some of the hardest worked high volume ranges, and in his free time, enjoyed many of the finest facilities in this country has to offer. Although I've never seen it, I have it on good authority that Dave's equipment's on the highest quality. As a high volume rapid fire shooter he's skilled at diagnosing ranges prone to excessive noise levels. He can determine if excessive lead contamination exist. Typically this can be accomplish by probing the backstop with the fingers to get an idea of the overall soil conditions, and the nature of the particulates that cling to the fingers. In necessary he can refer samples to a nationally qualified lab. Dave has great contacts due to his years of range management.

I understand you may already have a consultant, but I'm certain Dave would be a huge upgrade for you. He might not be the easiest person to work with, but he never leaves a customer unsatisfied, and they always come back for repeat business.

Yeah Google maps shows that...



"out here" what does that include? Everything west of 19?




County site says you paid $12K....

Yes,
She need to hire Dave as her new consultant.

Yes,
She need to hire Dave as her new consultant.

According to the State Attorney letters he is not legal per zoning a recreational range for like hand guns is legal a sport shooting rifle range has regulations which he is not in guidance with ...again those facts are important SO he should've bought a land that was zoned Agriculture not Ag-Res and had more land and he would not have an issue..or at least had the common sense to have turned it towards his adjoining other Ag-Res lot that has no one or anything for several acres..but he chose to aim it in the one direction that is all residential

I think the consensus is that Misty is now realizing the futility of presenting her case to the 'Fire.

+1

Dave will repeatedly bang on the back stop.

n the desert you can remember your name
'Cause there ain't no one for to give you no pain

You might go back to elementary school and learn grammar and punctuation. Try "they're" instead of their, and form complete sentences. You know, ones with punctuation and caps.

Your ignorance is dazzling.

Oh my, now you've done it. Gone and pissed off the grammar police.

- e e cummings

Criminy, where did this person go to school. Even in podunk, rural Idaho, we learned about periods, capitol letters, and paragraph breaks in fourth and fifth grade.

But, hey, all this commotion has earned her a bunch of hits on her photo links. Whatever good that does?

As I said your view and Google maps is NOT updated each one of those blue lines has a home on it now, heck my house doesn't even show up on google maps as you can see, there' s no picture the blue R is his range aimed at all the house the Red arrow is how we suggested he turn his range because there is not one single house in that direction at all for several miles and acres..

Yes we paid for 12k for our lot back in 2017 my dear maybe you haven't noticed but the market has drastically gone up out here ( I thought you said you were into investments so you should know that ) we bought before everyone out here decided to build, we bought before he bought his lot in 2018 our house was already constructed, I always love when someone tries to argue with me what my neighbor hood looks like and what the values out here are when I live out here so I see the homes so I might just know a little more than what Google maps is showing and anyone who follows housing market might gather that when you are in a desired area ( which we are hence why all those homes have gone up out here the past year) the market will reflect lot prices to demand sigghhhh (they need an eye rolling emoji on here)

I even went back and expanded the view and added the county zoning map for you SO does that look like the most logical position to aim a range now that you have a full spectrum of the zoning and all the houses??

You are the one making positive claims.

You have the burden of proof. Everyone on this sight is completely justified in not believing a single claim you make until you provide sufficient evidence to support your claim.

Lets see some current pictures from the back of your house, toward the range. Based upon the map you showed, I have to qwonder if you can even see it from your house. Is that why we haven't seen any new pictures for you supporting you claim that there's no berm, because you don't have a clear line of sight?

Or, are you not even Misty, but just a sock-puppet pulling photo's and copy pasting rants from another website?

You're in Florida, and did I correctly hear available for free lance work?

Perhaps she could use an expert opinion regarding the containment features of the range. If he's using steel does it have the proper negative attitude, is the hole deep enough, and the back wall material sufficiently soft and vertical to contain anything fired into it regardless of the size, rapidity, or nature of the load.

If as Misty alleges, it just a bare hole regularly subjected to an intense pounding by her neighbor and his friends, the impacts of time could causes changes in the material. In the press video, it appears to be build on sandy soil. Fresh virgin sand is an excellent bullet stop. It allows deep, consistent penetration regardless of load, hard fmj's, soft lead, or open tip loads which quickly expend their energy into the pliable backstop are all readily contained.

As Misty pointed out, problems can arise as this material becomes weathered and aged, and is subjected to hard use, It naturally looses it's pliability and other natural qualities that permit fresh materials to seamlessly absorb any impact without the risk of ricochets spilling over into neighboring area's. This potential could be exasperates, if, as Misty alleges, no additional barrier was placed as promised, there's no mound, and all brush was removed.

Brush removal isn't always a negative. A hot round in the wrong bush can lead to a real sticky situation. If an unwanted brush fire rages out of control it can seriously impact the entire community, and create legal consequences for everyone involved for a couple of decades. Although it can have it's benefits, not everyone likes the bare look. Some prefer selective grooming of natural growth. Of course this can require regular maintenance before use, which will cause some owners, especially those of high usage facilities to go with the minimalist approach of just a bare hole. The clean well defined lines of a new subterranean range can be very appealing to a new owner, but the ravages of time and hard use typically don't treat them well, and you can end up with just an ugly eyesore that nobody wants to see.

Fortunately there are specialist who can rejuvenate old ranges. One technique is lead remediation. The involves removal of the hardened external layer of the backstop that's taken the brunt of the hard use. For range that regularly receive fire form extremely large rifles that deliver very large diameter deep penetrating rounds, rejuvenation can be significantly more expensive, and require the removal of additional material. Not all ranges will support such efforts. It's common for ranges over used ranges, especially public ranges, and those on or near military bases to be permanently closed to prevent the spread of contaminates. Soldiers like to shoot their guns, and they have a lot of big guns, but if lead gets into the surrounding ground water, sometimes there's no choice. I don't see this as a real risk. It sounds like this range is just used by the owner and a few close friends.

As previously mentioned, there's several options available for barrier materials. Steel plates can significantly reduce the wear on the back wall. Personally I'm very careful when choosing steel. I only choose the thickest most resilient steel for reputable manufacturers. I have a very long barreled gun that provide me a significant advantage when stalking highly sought after elusive quarry. Unfortunately even with the highest quality materials, this can lead to shortened barrier life, and with cheap products, frequent unintended breakage. To mitigate this, some range owners like to use a secondary barrier of a spongy material such as wood. Railroad ties are a popular options. Some people like treated ties. Although they may last longer and the nature of some treatments such as creosote, and bind with and further inhibit the projectiles, I'm not a fan of the smell or discoloration and prefer bare wood. Unfortunately there is a limited life for most wood, and if the owner wants to use it past about 60 years, it's increasingly likely they will need some kind of chemical treatment. Sixty year old chemically treated wood is seldom as good as young wood, but it can still get the job done, and some range owners appreciate the character, and familiarity, especially if they've had the same wood for decades.

Misty also suggest turning the range around. Range orientation can be critical for everyone's enjoyment. Although I haven't seen a diagram, and it's hard to tell from the video, It sounds like it's currently facing Misty's backdoor, and concussion from the owner and his friends banging away with their big guns is a new, disconcerting experience for her. Regardless, the changes she's proposing can be very expensive, costing the shooter a significant amounts of time and money. He can't just abandon the existing range, but would have to hire lawyers and get permits and even go to court. Getting rid of a range is a long tedious process, and although the shooters might appreciate a new freshly dug hole, a range with the wrong orientation, just might not work for him. Most shooters are pretty traditional and not willing to give up a large portion of their assets so their friends can bang at their own backdoor but appreciate easy comfort and familiarity of a normally oriented range.



Misty, perhaps the greatest range professional on The Fire is Dave. He's the embodiment of professionalism, managed some of the hardest worked high volume ranges, and in his free time, enjoyed many of the finest facilities in this country has to offer. Although I've never seen it, I have it on good authority that Dave's equipment's on the highest quality. As a high volume rapid fire shooter he's skilled at diagnosing ranges prone to excessive noise levels. He can determine if excessive lead contamination exist. Typically this can be accomplish by probing the backstop with the fingers to get an idea of the overall soil conditions, and the nature of the particulates that cling to the fingers. In necessary he can refer samples to a nationally qualified lab. Dave has great contacts due to his years of range management.

I understand you may already have a consultant, but I'm certain Dave would be a huge upgrade for you. He might not be the easiest person to work with, but he never leaves a customer unsatisfied, and they always come back for repeat business.

You can't see it from our back yard because there is nothing above ground to see... there's some Palmettos and a few pine trees then a big drop that's it nothing you can see from a pic from my back yard, I believe the news video had an aerial view it showed did it not? If not I will gladly post that pic that shows it but how can I show you a hole in the ground from my back yard 200 ft away?