Florida man builds private gun range in his backyard, neighbors worry they could get hit Private gun range aimed directly at couple's home
Nov 22, 2019 WEEKI WACHEE, Fla. — A home under construction in a rural part of Hernando County has a unique addition to the backyard that has people living directly behind it concerned for their safety.
The homeowner is building a private gun range. The backstop ends just feet from where the property line of another home in the Weeki Wachee neighborhood begins.
"I think a sane person would not even remotely consider doing this," Misty Cintron said.
Cintron and her husband Jason said they built a home in the rural community for a better life. A few weeks ago, they noticed a large clearing behind their house.
"The fact that he can shoot at me, and I can't shoot at him is not equal protection. The fact that there is not a clear distance, and he is shooting military-grade weapons that are not accessible to the average person in Florida, that's not equal protection. My local enforcement is not able to fully protect me, so they are violating my right my civil rights."
ABC Action News reporter Michael Paluska spoke to the man constructing the home and gun range. We are not naming the homeowner because he is a private citizen and is not breaking the law.
He is also licensed with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) as a commercial gun dealer.
He allowed us onto his property to see the rough outline of the range up close. The berm is roughly 20 feet high, and the builder says he is focusing on making the backstop even safer by building up an addition 25 feet or higher.
"Safety, safety, safety, is my top priority," he said over the phone. "I'm not even close to being done yet."
Weapons and firearms are regulated through Florida Statutes 790.15, 790.33, 790.333, & 823.16, which contains certain preemptions from local regulations. Cintron said those laws only protect the gun owner and do nothing to protect her life and property downrange.
For example, statute 790.15 states, "any person who recreationally discharges a firearm outdoors, including target shooting, in an area that the person knows or reasonably should know is primarily residential in nature and that has a residential density of one or more dwelling units per acre, commits a misdemeanor of the first degree."
Cintron's property is less than an acre so she can't legally fire a weapon recreationally. Just on the other side of her property line, her neighbor's acreage is well within the legal requirement.
Cintron said the only way the homeowner would violate Florida state law is if any of the bullets fired cross into her property or into another residential zone. Cintron said she does not doubt that she will have shrapnel and bullet fragments in her yard.
"The state is failing us, failing miserably," Cintron said. "The problem with this is there is no regulation and guidance by the state. Anybody can do this. So, you could find yourself in this situation with the neighbor next door; it's not prudent it's not safe."
We asked the homeowner if he could aim the rifle range in a different direction away from homes. He said he offered to move the berm slightly to the right, but, it wasn't good enough for his neighbors. The homeowner also said because of the geography of his property that spot was the safest spot to build the range.
"Originally, we said you know what if you move it that way, I'd feel a lot more comfortable because you are not aiming it at my house and there is nobody that lives that way," Cintron said. "His response was, you know, this is his dream... I'm all for people's dreams but I have a dream too, you know. I want to see my children grow up, my grandchildren, my dreams don't affect other people. This is very unreasonable. If you are so comfortable, why don't you turn it around and face it toward your house? Oh, I just can't do that. He gave every excuse."
The homeowner told ABC Action News reporter Michael Paluska he planned to shoot .20 caliber and .50 caliber rounds, but a majority of his shooting would be from pistols.
On Thursday, Hernando County Code Enforcement, the sheriff's department and the county attorney's office met to discuss complaints lodged against the building of the range.
Cintron said the county informed her Thursday night the county found no code or statutory violations with the building of the gun range.
The builder told us he plans to finish the home and range in the next 10 months. He invited us out to shoot and verify for ourselves how safe it was.
Cintron said he invited her too. She isn't taking him up on that offer.
"My daughter is going to be fully prepared to at my death to take on the state that they failed me," Cintron said.
There is another back yard range in the area that got ran through the media wringer for a couple of years and he is still shooting there, he's a full auto guy to boot. As far as noise and nuisance is concerned we have a pretty solid law. 6am to 10pm pretty much anything goes. That has been challenged many times due to Air Boat use and the associated noise, Law stands and the boats run 6 to 10.
Be nice or I'll take the .50 to the line. I promise.
Weeki Wachee is just a few miles down the road from me. Hope his Rick O'Shays don't hurt me. One of my immediate neighbors is a butthole though and has had no qualms about shooting his stuff on his property and sending ricochets thru the trees over my head. I didn't say anything to him for awhile, but got tired of it eventually. He started up one day and I touched off the .30-30, pointed at the ground in front of my feet. That was about 3 years ago and I've not heard him shoot since. It was a lot simpler than complaining about it.
Ole Blondie knows how to use the media key buzz words doesn't she...........
I doubt her excessive drama will contribute much to her case in the long run. If she truly had concerns for her and her families live's you'd think she'd just quietly put her home on the market and move.
If she keeps it up at the rate she is going, and she appears the type, her place is gonna become a hard sell house all of her own doing. "Oh this is the house I see on the news all the time that people shoot at".....
In that area that guys range will probably just become a lake after the first rainy season anyway.
Legally, I can go outside a shoot a firearm anytime I want. But I rarely do. There's houses, cattle and horses within rifle range and even though I'm sure that I could do some shooting without harming anything,..I don't want to be "that guy" that keeps the neighbors nervous.
Legally, I can go outside a shoot a firearm anytime I want. But I rarely do. There's houses, cattle and horses within rifle range and even though I'm sure that I could do some shooting without harming anything,..I don't want to be "that guy" that keeps the neighbors nervous.
And you think you do not make them nervous now?!?!
Why did they move to a rural area if they don't like this sort of thing? If they want to guarantee they're nowhere near someone's range, they need to buy a lot more land. The set up looks completely safe.
Legally, I can go outside a shoot a firearm anytime I want. But I rarely do. There's houses, cattle and horses within rifle range and even though I'm sure that I could do some shooting without harming anything,..I don't want to be "that guy" that keeps the neighbors nervous.
And you think you do not make them nervous now?!?!
Nah,.....I'm just that old guy over there.
Nobody gives me a second thought and that's how I like it.
Ran into this with a former neighbor of mine. I built a properly constructed and safe range with various targets with backstops out to 150yds and shot often. Nosey neighbor tried to make a big issue out of it going to township etc. Friend who lived on other side of her on 10 acres got tired of her complaining so had me build him a range too. We would often coordinate it so we would be shooting at the same times. After 2 years she moved lol.
Why did they move to a rural area if they don't like this sort of thing? If they want to guarantee they're nowhere near someone's range, they need to buy a lot more land. The set up looks completely safe.
Thank you. Weeki Wachee isn't exactly Tampa proper.
Ran into this with a former neighbor of mine. I built a properly constructed and safe range with various targets with backstops out to 150yds and shot often. Nosey neighbor tried to make a big issue out of it going to township etc. Friend who lived on other side of her on 10 acres got tired of her complaining so had me build him a range too. We would often coordinate it so we would be shooting at the same times. After 2 years she moved lol.
Ran into this with a former neighbor of mine. I built a properly constructed and safe range with various targets with backstops out to 150yds and shot often. Nosey neighbor tried to make a big issue out of it going to township etc. Friend who lived on other side of her on 10 acres got tired of her complaining so had me build him a range too. We would often coordinate it so we would be shooting at the same times. After 2 years she moved lol.
Laughing!
I should add to my post that my range was built and being used for almost 10yrs before that "neighbor" moved in! And also that the direction of fire is not in direction of any homes,it backs up to around 20 acres of thick woods that i own and the closest house in direction of fire is about a mile away and there heavy woods and raised topography between us.
Ran into this with a former neighbor of mine. I built a properly constructed and safe range with various targets with backstops out to 150yds and shot often. Nosey neighbor tried to make a big issue out of it going to township etc. Friend who lived on other side of her on 10 acres got tired of her complaining so had me build him a range too. We would often coordinate it so we would be shooting at the same times. After 2 years she moved lol.
She has less than an acre, his backstop is by the line, inline with her house.
I picture a shooting bench about 150yd from my house, inline with my house. (Details arent clear)
And the guy is shooting a 50.
I guess I'm overcautious.
I saw a forensics show about an accidental shooting at a Texas range. Crazy chain of events led to a young man's death. A shooting range on a newly developed property, in a populated area isn't a great idea. This doesn't sound like "living in the country" to me. More like the latest development being built on the edge, with more to follow.
I don't see it as a safety issue, but rather a noise issue. There were a number of houses nearby. I'll shoot on my 10 acres in MS, but I want to open up dialogue with my neighbors so that if they are working shift work or are home under the weather that I am not disturbing them. Mississippi has a law that would allow local governments to restrict centerfire rifle discharge on on parcels of less than 40 acres. Very few have.
I am as well, and despite a plethora of buttheads in my neighborhood there are more than a few good souls that I do not wish to disturb.
When I settled on the place I contemplated having an underground range of 100 yards with access from both ends for maintenance etc. The only reason I didn't do it was the idea was so strange to the contractors I discussed it with they could not wrap their cracker brains around it. Mostly they were not versed in the art of working underground with concrete and steel, ventilation and acoustic treatments. So I went another way.
General practice limits high velocity ammo substantially, though it is used on occasion, both CF and RF. The line is 20 yards and 50 yards. Use your muffler or my box if you don't have one. For the most part the neighbors don't have a clue that I'm shooting. Could I legally sit down with my cannons and dragon slayers? Yep. Do I? Nope. There be another range a few miles away where I can use those toys without alienating the 'hood.
Here in Florida we can do this on residential properties of 1 acre or larger, and those that do bear full liability for any harm done to adjoining properties, and that include plinking your neighbor. The layout shown in the video has the potential to be safe with a lot more work, but I'd not be using it until that work is done.
Legally, I can go outside a shoot a firearm anytime I want. But I rarely do. There's houses, cattle and horses within rifle range and even though I'm sure that I could do some shooting without harming anything,..I don't want to be "that guy" that keeps the neighbors nervous.
And you think you do not make them nervous now?!?!
Nah,.....I'm just that old guy over there.
Nobody gives me a second thought and that's how I like it.
I would not want a new neighbor to build a shooting range that is lined up with my house, where if a bullet goes over the berm it might hit my house. It is dangerous and her property value will take a big hit.
I am as well, and despite a plethora of buttheads in my neighborhood there are more than a few good souls that I do not wish to disturb.
When I settled on the place I contemplated having an underground range of 100 yards with access from both ends for maintenance etc. The only reason I didn't do it was the idea was so strange to the contractors I discussed it with they could not wrap their cracker brains around it. Mostly they were not versed in the art of working underground with concrete and steel, ventilation and acoustic treatments. So I went another way.
General practice limits high velocity ammo substantially, though it is used on occasion, both CF and RF. The line is 20 yards and 50 yards. Use your muffler or my box if you don't have one. For the most part the neighbors don't have a clue that I'm shooting. Could I legally sit down with my cannons and dragon slayers? Yep. Do I? Nope. There be another range a few miles away where I can use those toys without alienating the 'hood.
Here in Florida we can do this on residential properties of 1 acre or larger, and those that do bear full liability for any harm done to adjoining properties, and that include plinking your neighbor. The layout shown in the video has the potential to be safe with a lot more work, but I'd not be using it until that work is done.
Dan, I assume that you check for accumulation of unburned powder in the baffle. (Just trying to be helpful.)
If it worried me that much ,then I would build a concrete wall on my property high enough to protect my stuff. Then I would see if he would let me shoot there too !
I would not want a new neighbor to build a shooting range that is lined up with my house, where if a bullet goes over the berm it might hit my house. It is dangerous and her property value will take a big hit.
Yep.
All those here calling the lady crazy, how many would choose to move in to the far side of a berm of a shooting range themselves?
I would not want a new neighbor to build a shooting range that is lined up with my house, where if a bullet goes over the berm it might hit my house. It is dangerous and her property value will take a big hit.
Yep.
All those here calling the lady crazy, how many would choose to move in to the far side of a berm of a shooting range themselves?
The noise, the safety issue, and her property value will take a serious hit.
"if it's so safe, why didn't he build it pointed towards his house"......
Hard to argue that fact.
You did not see the video?
Sure I did, tell me what I missed.
The reporter walking down the face of the berm to start. The claim he is going to build it higher is good, even if he stops lower than his claimed 45 feet. A roof in front of his bench to deflect idiot high angle shots and there is no way they can hit her house without trying.
Noise is a serious problem, but he is still legal.
I would not want a new neighbor to build a shooting range that is lined up with my house, where if a bullet goes over the berm it might hit my house. It is dangerous and her property value will take a big hit.
Yep.
All those here calling the lady crazy, how many would choose to move in to the far side of a berm of a shooting range themselves?
The noise, the safety issue, and her property value will take a serious hit.
"if it's so safe, why didn't he build it pointed towards his house"......
Hard to argue that fact.
You did not see the video?
Sure I did, tell me what I missed.
The reporter walking down the face of the berm to start. The claim he is going to build it higher is good, even if he stops lower than his claimed 45 feet. A roof in front of his bench to deflect idiot high angle shots and there is no way they can hit her house without trying.
Noise is a serious problem, but he is still legal.
Other than the alleged claim of a 45 feet berm, None of the details you mentioned are in the video, Nice attempt of deflection though on your part.
You had asked if I had watched the video, Now I'm wondering if you watched it....
Still find it interesting the lack of common sense gun safety displayed here, and all the Kool Kids tripping over themselves trying to up their post count.
My final question, once again,
Your building your own rifle range in your small backyard,
Are you pointing the range towards your own house, or away from it?
Property owners have a right to the enjoyment and use of their land. In the event that another party interferes with that right -- for instance, a neighbor regularly plays his music at maximum volume late at night -- a property owner can sue the interfering party. If the intrusion is physical, a property owner may be able to sue under the legal theory of trespass. In the event that trespass laws do not apply, but there is still interference, a property owner may be able to sue under the theory of private nuisance. Talking to your neighbor about the nuisance is usually the best first step, since they may not fully realize the affects of their actions.
While states may vary on their definition of a private nuisance, a plaintiff must typically prove the following elements:
1 The plaintiff owns the land or has the right to possess it; 2 The defendant actually acted in a way that interferes with the plaintiff's enjoyment and use of his or her property; and 3 The defendant's interference was substantial and unreasonable.
The noise, the safety issue, and her property value will take a serious hit.
"if it's so safe, why didn't he build it pointed towards his house"......
Hard to argue that fact.
You did not see the video?
Sure I did, tell me what I missed.
The reporter walking down the face of the berm to start. The claim he is going to build it higher is good, even if he stops lower than his claimed 45 feet. A roof in front of his bench to deflect idiot high angle shots and there is no way they can hit her house without trying.
Noise is a serious problem, but he is still legal.
Other than the alleged claim of a 45 feet berm, None of the details you mentioned are in the video, Nice attempt of deflection though on your part.
You had asked if I had watched the video, Now I'm wondering if you watched it....
Still find it interesting the lack of common sense gun safety displayed here, and all the Kool Kids tripping over themselves trying to up their post count.
My final question, once again,
Your building your own rifle range in your small backyard,
Are you pointing the range towards your own house, or away from it?
I already know the answer.
Let me start over... I mistakenly assumed you had some idea how ranges are built when there are concerns about bullets going over berms. The berm is already very tall. This is obvious from the reporter coming down the face of the berm into the shooting lane cut as the camera zooms out. That berm is higher than all but one range I have seen in AK and that is only because the berm is a mountain face.
The overhead deflectors are common and assuming the landowner is going to get insurance on his property the insurance company will probably require it because they are VERY, VERY common.
Yeah, I am going to point the range at my house so I can build the berm in my yard and deflect all the sound to the neighbors. (sarcasm, obviously)
The crazy lady was also asking why he only dug the end toward her house down... obviously you only dig down one end, maybe raise the other to get those bullets to ground ASAP.
And, again, did you actually see the reporter coming down the face of the berm into the shooting lane?
The problem with this is perception. Is it dangerous or does it just appear dangerous to someone. Who sets the boundaries to go by. That’s a hell of a dugout and I doubt any bullet will escape. The 50 cal could very well be a muzzle loader. I would not do this simply because of the hassles he’s gonna get. The woman will problably shoot holes in her own walls to get him shutdown. Ed k
If properly constructed does it matter? I ask because nearly all ranges are pointed at dwellings/businesses somewhere out there.
On 2 acre lots?
Seriously?
Yes, seriously. My emphasis goes to the point of "properly constructed". We know in general terms what bullets do and it is simple though perhaps expensive to contain ricochets. My own range backstop illustrates the point. AR400 deflector which sends spall downward and the backstop structure that contains the odd piece of lead/jacket. The target is ~24" inside the front face of the house. Coupled with range rules there is zilch probability of errant flyers and damage or injury to third parties. The target house is in a gully with the top below surrounding grade. There is a 36" diameter pine log behind that which spans the gully and further tops the backstop house.
My rules for the 20/50 yard line. 1. For ALL repeaters the gun will be on the rest, on target, before a round is chambered. 2. Single shot break actions may not be cocked until on target. 3. Finger off the trigger until on target. 4. Violation results in a permanent ban.
I allow bag/elbow rest at the 20, or offhand. Bag rest is mandatory on the 50 yard line.
There is no reason larger ranges cannot be constructed likewise.
The problem with this is perception. Is it dangerous or does it just appear dangerous to someone. Who sets the boundaries to go by. That’s a hell of a dugout and I doubt any bullet will escape. The 50 cal could very well be a muzzle loader. I would not do this simply because of the hassles he’s gonna get. The woman will problably shoot holes in her own walls to get him shutdown. Ed k
maybe she will "discover" complete loaded rounds on her property and claim they were fired by the neighbor. I think that one has been tried before, lol.
Several years ago a Boy Millionaire bought a parcel that adjoins our gun club's 150+ acres and decided we needed to do something about "the noise". Met with him multiple times to hear his concerns, explained that we actually didn't need to do something about "the noise", as PA law precludes local municipalities enacting noise ordinances against existing shooting ranges.
But he insisted we did need to do something and was gonna have his attorney look into it, plus grumbled to the local officials.
Guess he gave up, haven't heard from him in years and we still make lots of noise. My theory is, that if you don't like stink, don't build an 8,000 square foot house downwind of a hog farm. If you don't like noise, avoid building near a gun club, or race track?
The outdoor gun club I've belonged to for nearly twenty years is very considerate of neighbors. No shooting before noon on Sundays, or during funerals (the church is nearby), and no shooting after sundown.
One of our local clubs bought some land out in the country for a range--pistol, rifle, shotgun, you name it. The local township guys voted to prohibit shooting due to the noise.
We asked the NRA what to do. They explained it was not allowed to ban just shooting. You had to ban all noise above a certain dB level. They sent out a guy with a sound meter, who took measurements all around the perimeter of the property.
Result: They could ban shooting all right provided they banned semi trucks on the nearby Interstate. So we won.
However, we agreed to not shoot on Sundays before noon.
We are considerate of our neighbors, 99% of which weren't even there, when the club was established in the early 1950s.
Outdoor ranges shooting times: 9 AM 'til dusk.Hunting allowed, but only with archery tackle, shotguns and flintlocks.The place is almost all mature hardwood forest, except for the open areas primarily in the center of the property. When we've timbered, few large trees were taken beyond the range berms. It's 550 yards to the property line beyond those berms and neighbor's woods go well beyond there. In addition, the majority of our adjoining neighbors are also club members.
I have a feeling if the guy dug a hole straight down a 100 yds deep they would still biotch.
What's a "military grade weapon" anyway?..........
Indeed , she wants to sit at her house listening to jimy buffet while petting her cats that roam the neighborhood typical florida people - looking for something to bellyache about .
You are absolutely correct that many of these folks who say they would be comfortable living at the end ( literally 200 feet is what the County measured the distance is from the end of his berm to me,) BTW I am the crazy cat lady ( who owns no cats btw) who the bleach & botox has settled in who apparently according to some but hey I love a good laugh too ) all good I find those who like to pick apart others usually have their own demons they're battling...Although my husband was staring down because he is a fire/medic who just came off a 24 hour shift and saved 2 lives in those 24 hours so he was a little tired that morning.
I am actually a huge 2nd amendment supporter and have quite my own rifle and hand gun collections. I go 6 miles up the road to our local range quite often to practice. I am a licensed CCW carrier as well so this is NOT at all a battle on guns or 2nd amendment rights, this is about common sense and SAFETY. The first rule of the NRA is know your back stop and further more what is behind it because no shot is guaranteed. We have a ton of private ranges around us all out here and no one is bothering any of those other folks because they did it safely and they are not shooting fully automatics and 50 BMG aimed at residential homes. We have one guy who shoots every night and good for him and God bless his ammo bill monthly lol . The man in question is an arms dealer as well though and openly said he will not only be shooting these high powered rifles but he test them on his private range, so how easy is it for something to be off and go wrong and now you just fired a 50 BMG towards several homes. We have mainly .25 -.50 acre lots here folks we are not country folk out here at all... We have 2 schools less than 900 feet away as well. Some other parents and a school official have already complained that kids panicked one day during a "shooter on campus drill" because they heard his shots and thought it wasn't a drill. REALLY not cool at all. Another mom out here called sheriff concerned a shooter was out here and that her kid was going to get shot getting off the bus... so I know the news chose to put my face on the "battle' since I am the closest home but trust me when I say it's not my battle alone out here at all. We met with a few attorneys before we all collectively agreed on the one we chose to retain.
So here is an update on the range since November so we can help clear some of the air up, yes it is legal to have a private range in Florida if you have more than acre and is considered reasonably safe. Now since all this began we ( I am not the only neighbor who has an issue with this man there are several homes out here who all retained the same attorney over this issue, so yes it is legally being handled) 2 homes out here have both received letters from the Florida Attorney General pointing us to our county commissioners and zoning to address this since per planning and planning and development in our area does not allow a rifle range, only Ag land can have those and this man is the one who bought his property butted up against a completely residential area and then chose to aim his range at the residential area homes. He could have aimed it at his own home, he could have turned it towards a direction that butts up against over 40 acres that have no homes in its path and we did ask him to turn it and he refused, he offered to build another one aimed in that direction for hand gun use but did not want to turn the rifle range because he is and has been shooting a 50 BMG on this range that is only 200 FEET from our home. So for those of you who think this is cool, please tell me what range allows you to shoot a 50 BMG 200 Feet from someone? ? I called over 100 ranges and not a single one would allow anything like this.
There is the debate on the 45 ft wall berm, for those of you who called BS on him YOU were correct he hasn't done a single thing other than the hole you see dug out which yes washes away with each rain we have here in Florida, so he has about an 12 ft dug out hole but nothing above ground at all so those of you who said if he misses and goes over his berm it is dangerous YOU are also correct and it is aimed right at my son's bedroom and anyone who knows a 50 BMG knows that will blow right through our block walls and into our home, heck several rifles would at those close a range... We told him if he feels it is so safe for all our children and grandchildren out here then why doesn't he send his own kids out back to play behind it when they shoot? I mean his buddy who came over and shot with him bragged to some of the neighbors who he failed epically at trying to rally behind him that when he shot the 50 BMG his son who is under 5 was in his lap! Great parenting skills there... I take my son to a range as well he is a little older but I would never have him on my lap while shooting a 50 BMG , that' s just reckless.. This man shoots fully automatic rifles on this range with his friends not just himself, he shoots his 50 BMG and his friend was kind enough to post pictures all over Facebook bragging about how proud they are and as well as the ammo they were using and magically a tree on our lot behind his range got snapped in half clean snap, when we made police report.. they suddenly claimed they were using frangible ammo ( although that isn't what was pictured in their pictures all over Facebook) doesn't take a genius to figure out that was a lie...not to mention we have audio recording of it and you can tell the difference in the sound between a frangible and a live round and we have a ton of ex military folks out here in our residential area that all heard the shots who called BS on the frangible as well.....
For those who say I should sell and move... why would I move when I built first and I'm not the one alone in this battle? There are several homes out her suing this man all with the same attorney. Now I did just have my house appraised 6 months prior to his build so if those who say he would make an awesome neighbor would like to cut me a check for the value, he can be their awesome neighbor, although I have pointed that out on other sites and I check my mail daily and there are still no checks so I guess they don't really want him as a neighbor as well.
For those who mentioned the noise, YOU are correct as well. I have now began to see a hearing specialist who has documented I have irreversible hearing damage in my one ear since this began. I never go to the range when I shoot without hearing protection because that would be ( well first off the range requires hearing protection ) and 2nd it's common sense. Now imagine being at the end of a range 200 feet away aimed in your direction and having rapid fire and a 50 BMG with no hearing protection on... I also work from home so I have been on conference calls with clients who have heard the rapid fire in the back ground and had to explain the situation as well as why my dogs are howling in the back ground as well ( and yes they can still hear the gun shots over my dogs howling on my work calls and videos ).
For those who think he might just be a stand up guy as well, the EPA was sent out per our Governor here in Florida on our behalf after another neighbor reached out to his office. He sent them out and they went after this guy for clearing more than an acre of land without the proper permits. He is a contractor he knows you are required to pull permits and still didn't, he didn't even pull the permit to clear his lot until after our State Rep was already made aware of the situation, then he went and pulled a permit ( mind you the lot was already cleared and the hole dug at this point) sound sketchy to you? Yeah we all thought so too
For the person who mentioned home owners insurance YOU are correct we asked him point blank if his home owners insurance was aware of this situation... his response... I think so I'm not sure... hmmm ( scratch head that bleached botox head lol ) you think they know? SO other words they don't because you didn't let your bank who holds the liability during your build right know but rest assure they will and rest assure they will require an additional liability policy and from the brokers I've called and inquired with ,,,wheeeeewwww it would've been a lot cheaper for you to have just went and bought a 10+ acre lot on an agriculture zoned plot that this would make more sense to do on. So for those who felt I or all the other neighbors out here should move.. maybe the other guy should actually move to a more realistic location to do what he is looking to do with the calibers he would like to shoot, OR turn it towards his own home... after all what he is doing is safe right?? So it should be safe to point at his kids rather than ours. He doesn't even live out here yet and he has shot several times with others and his one friend went door to door trying to gather support ( he found 2 homes not in the line of fire to support him ) and he bragged how this guy is going to throw a huge open house party and light it up...
Although final note is he has been quite recently since our attorney met with the County. She made it quite clear of our rights and how unsafe this is and how fully prepared she is to move forward to the next step with the State as well as with expert witnesses who are certified in this particular area of range design, ballistics and psychological and health effects it has on those around us. We have a a lot of veterans out here, law enforcement and well I got to know all my neighbors really fast and really well we actually have a gun shot survivor who has children and his house is also right in the line of fire, his new house that he built for his kids to have a safe place to play, imagine the look on his face when he saw the pictures of the range and heard the guns he fired the first time...
You are absolutely correct that many of these folks who say they would be comfortable living at the end ( literally 200 feet is what the County measured the distance is from the end of his berm to me,) BTW I am the crazy cat lady ( who owns no cats btw) who the bleach & botox has settled in who apparently according to some but hey I love a good laugh too ) all good I find those who like to pick apart others usually have their own demons they're battling...Although my husband was staring down because he is a fire/medic who just came off a 24 hour shift and saved 2 lives in those 24 hours so he was a little tired that morning.
I am actually a huge 2nd amendment supporter and have quite my own rifle and hand gun collections. I go 6 miles up the road to our local range quite often to practice. I am a licensed CCW carrier as well so this is NOT at all a battle on guns or 2nd amendment rights, this is about common sense and SAFETY. The first rule of the NRA is know your back stop and further more what is behind it because no shot is guaranteed. We have a ton of private ranges around us all out here and no one is bothering any of those other folks because they did it safely and they are not shooting fully automatics and 50 BMG aimed at residential homes. We have one guy who shoots every night and good for him and God bless his ammo bill monthly lol . The man in question is an arms dealer as well though and openly said he will not only be shooting these high powered rifles but he test them on his private range, so how easy is it for something to be off and go wrong and now you just fired a 50 BMG towards several homes. We have mainly .25 -.50 acre lots here folks we are not country folk out here at all... We have 2 schools less than 900 feet away as well. Some other parents and a school official have already complained that kids panicked one day during a "shooter on campus drill" because they heard his shots and thought it wasn't a drill. REALLY not cool at all. Another mom out here called sheriff concerned a shooter was out here and that her kid was going to get shot getting off the bus... so I know the news chose to put my face on the "battle' since I am the closest home but trust me when I say it's not my battle alone out here at all. We met with a few attorneys before we all collectively agreed on the one we chose to retain.
So here is an update on the range since November so we can help clear some of the air up, yes it is legal to have a private range in Florida if you have more than acre and is considered reasonably safe. Now since all this began we ( I am not the only neighbor who has an issue with this man there are several homes out here who all retained the same attorney over this issue, so yes it is legally being handled) 2 homes out here have both received letters from the Florida Attorney General pointing us to our county commissioners and zoning to address this since per planning and planning and development in our area does not allow a rifle range, only Ag land can have those and this man is the one who bought his property butted up against a completely residential area and then chose to aim his range at the residential area homes. He could have aimed it at his own home, he could have turned it towards a direction that butts up against over 40 acres that have no homes in its path and we did ask him to turn it and he refused, he offered to build another one aimed in that direction for hand gun use but did not want to turn the rifle range because he is and has been shooting a 50 BMG on this range that is only 200 FEET from our home. So for those of you who think this is cool, please tell me what range allows you to shoot a 50 BMG 200 Feet from someone? ? I called over 100 ranges and not a single one would allow anything like this.
There is the debate on the 45 ft wall berm, for those of you who called BS on him YOU were correct he hasn't done a single thing other than the hole you see dug out which yes washes away with each rain we have here in Florida, so he has about an 12 ft dug out hole but nothing above ground at all so those of you who said if he misses and goes over his berm it is dangerous YOU are also correct and it is aimed right at my son's bedroom and anyone who knows a 50 BMG knows that will blow right through our block walls and into our home, heck several rifles would at those close a range... We told him if he feels it is so safe for all our children and grandchildren out here then why doesn't he send his own kids out back to play behind it when they shoot? I mean his buddy who came over and shot with him bragged to some of the neighbors who he failed epically at trying to rally behind him that when he shot the 50 BMG his son who is under 5 was in his lap! Great parenting skills there... I take my son to a range as well he is a little older but I would never have him on my lap while shooting a 50 BMG , that' s just reckless.. This man shoots fully automatic rifles on this range with his friends not just himself, he shoots his 50 BMG and his friend was kind enough to post pictures all over Facebook bragging about how proud they are and as well as the ammo they were using and magically a tree on our lot behind his range got snapped in half clean snap, when we made police report.. they suddenly claimed they were using frangible ammo ( although that isn't what was pictured in their pictures all over Facebook) doesn't take a genius to figure out that was a lie...not to mention we have audio recording of it and you can tell the difference in the sound between a frangible and a live round and we have a ton of ex military folks out here in our residential area that all heard the shots who called BS on the frangible as well.....
For those who say I should sell and move... why would I move when I built first and I'm not the one alone in this battle? There are several homes out her suing this man all with the same attorney. Now I did just have my house appraised 6 months prior to his build so if those who say he would make an awesome neighbor would like to cut me a check for the value, he can be their awesome neighbor, although I have pointed that out on other sites and I check my mail daily and there are still no checks so I guess they don't really want him as a neighbor as well.
For those who mentioned the noise, YOU are correct as well. I have now began to see a hearing specialist who has documented I have irreversible hearing damage in my one ear since this began. I never go to the range when I shoot without hearing protection because that would be ( well first off the range requires hearing protection ) and 2nd it's common sense. Now imagine being at the end of a range 200 feet away aimed in your direction and having rapid fire and a 50 BMG with no hearing protection on... I also work from home so I have been on conference calls with clients who have heard the rapid fire in the back ground and had to explain the situation as well as why my dogs are howling in the back ground as well ( and yes they can still hear the gun shots over my dogs howling on my work calls and videos ).
For those who think he might just be a stand up guy as well, the EPA was sent out per our Governor here in Florida on our behalf after another neighbor reached out to his office. He sent them out and they went after this guy for clearing more than an acre of land without the proper permits. He is a contractor he knows you are required to pull permits and still didn't, he didn't even pull the permit to clear his lot until after our State Rep was already made aware of the situation, then he went and pulled a permit ( mind you the lot was already cleared and the hole dug at this point) sound sketchy to you? Yeah we all thought so too
For the person who mentioned home owners insurance YOU are correct we asked him point blank if his home owners insurance was aware of this situation... his response... I think so I'm not sure... hmmm ( scratch head that bleached botox head lol ) you think they know? SO other words they don't because you didn't let your bank who holds the liability during your build right know but rest assure they will and rest assure they will require an additional liability policy and from the brokers I've called and inquired with ,,,wheeeeewwww it would've been a lot cheaper for you to have just went and bought a 10+ acre lot on an agriculture zoned plot that this would make more sense to do on. So for those who felt I or all the other neighbors out here should move.. maybe the other guy should actually move to a more realistic location to do what he is looking to do with the calibers he would like to shoot, OR turn it towards his own home... after all what he is doing is safe right?? So it should be safe to point at his kids rather than ours. He doesn't even live out here yet and he has shot several times with others and his one friend went door to door trying to gather support ( he found 2 homes not in the line of fire to support him ) and he bragged how this guy is going to throw a huge open house party and light it up...
Although final note is he has been quite recently since our attorney met with the County. She made it quite clear of our rights and how unsafe this is and how fully prepared she is to move forward to the next step with the State as well as with expert witnesses who are certified in this particular area of range design, ballistics and psychological and health effects it has on those around us. We have a a lot of veterans out here, law enforcement and well I got to know all my neighbors really fast and really well we actually have a gun shot survivor who has children and his house is also right in the line of fire, his new house that he built for his kids to have a safe place to play, imagine the look on his face when he saw the pictures of the range and heard the guns he fired the first time...
Maybe, but she sure isn't a MILF. If she's 50 or over I'd give her a 5 on a one to ten scale, anywhere in her 40's I'd have to drop a point, late 30's It'd be a 2 point drop....
Hair isn't everything....She might even own a 270....
Although final note is he has been quite recently since our attorney met with the County. She made it quite clear of our rights and how unsafe this is and how fully prepared she is to move forward to the next step with the State as well as with expert witnesses who are certified in this particular area of range design, ballistics and psychological and health effects it has on those around us. We have a a lot of veterans out here, law enforcement and well I got to know all my neighbors really fast and really well we actually have a gun shot survivor who has children and his house is also right in the line of fire, his new house that he built for his kids to have a safe place to play, imagine the look on his face when he saw the pictures of the range and heard the guns he fired the first time...
Yes I am Misty and yes I am aware attorney's love to drag out fights in litigation but it might be cheaper for him to move then since I only have to pay a portion of our attorney bills since there are several households out here on the same retainer so our legal fees have been split up where his are all his, I just built my home out here last year and it took over a year and half to build I'm not going anywhere and the State has made it quite clear in the letters back 2 two households that they don't agree with his side.. I'm all for guns I own 2 ARs myself as well as several others so it's not about guns trust me we have several people out here who shoot, it's about how his set up is not safe and logical
You are absolutely correct that many of these folks who say they would be comfortable living at the end ( literally 200 feet is what the County measured the distance is from the end of his berm to me,) BTW I am the crazy cat lady ( who owns no cats btw) who the bleach & botox has settled in who apparently according to some but hey I love a good laugh too ) all good I find those who like to pick apart others usually have their own demons they're battling...Although my husband was staring down because he is a fire/medic who just came off a 24 hour shift and saved 2 lives in those 24 hours so he was a little tired that morning.
I am actually a huge 2nd amendment supporter and have quite my own rifle and hand gun collections. I go 6 miles up the road to our local range quite often to practice. I am a licensed CCW carrier as well so this is NOT at all a battle on guns or 2nd amendment rights, this is about common sense and SAFETY. The first rule of the NRA is know your back stop and further more what is behind it because no shot is guaranteed. We have a ton of private ranges around us all out here and no one is bothering any of those other folks because they did it safely and they are not shooting fully automatics and 50 BMG aimed at residential homes. We have one guy who shoots every night and good for him and God bless his ammo bill monthly lol . The man in question is an arms dealer as well though and openly said he will not only be shooting these high powered rifles but he test them on his private range, so how easy is it for something to be off and go wrong and now you just fired a 50 BMG towards several homes. We have mainly .25 -.50 acre lots here folks we are not country folk out here at all... We have 2 schools less than 900 feet away as well. Some other parents and a school official have already complained that kids panicked one day during a "shooter on campus drill" because they heard his shots and thought it wasn't a drill. REALLY not cool at all. Another mom out here called sheriff concerned a shooter was out here and that her kid was going to get shot getting off the bus... so I know the news chose to put my face on the "battle' since I am the closest home but trust me when I say it's not my battle alone out here at all. We met with a few attorneys before we all collectively agreed on the one we chose to retain.
So here is an update on the range since November so we can help clear some of the air up, yes it is legal to have a private range in Florida if you have more than acre and is considered reasonably safe. Now since all this began we ( I am not the only neighbor who has an issue with this man there are several homes out here who all retained the same attorney over this issue, so yes it is legally being handled) 2 homes out here have both received letters from the Florida Attorney General pointing us to our county commissioners and zoning to address this since per planning and planning and development in our area does not allow a rifle range, only Ag land can have those and this man is the one who bought his property butted up against a completely residential area and then chose to aim his range at the residential area homes. He could have aimed it at his own home, he could have turned it towards a direction that butts up against over 40 acres that have no homes in its path and we did ask him to turn it and he refused, he offered to build another one aimed in that direction for hand gun use but did not want to turn the rifle range because he is and has been shooting a 50 BMG on this range that is only 200 FEET from our home. So for those of you who think this is cool, please tell me what range allows you to shoot a 50 BMG 200 Feet from someone? ? I called over 100 ranges and not a single one would allow anything like this.
There is the debate on the 45 ft wall berm, for those of you who called BS on him YOU were correct he hasn't done a single thing other than the hole you see dug out which yes washes away with each rain we have here in Florida, so he has about an 12 ft dug out hole but nothing above ground at all so those of you who said if he misses and goes over his berm it is dangerous YOU are also correct and it is aimed right at my son's bedroom and anyone who knows a 50 BMG knows that will blow right through our block walls and into our home, heck several rifles would at those close a range... We told him if he feels it is so safe for all our children and grandchildren out here then why doesn't he send his own kids out back to play behind it when they shoot? I mean his buddy who came over and shot with him bragged to some of the neighbors who he failed epically at trying to rally behind him that when he shot the 50 BMG his son who is under 5 was in his lap! Great parenting skills there... I take my son to a range as well he is a little older but I would never have him on my lap while shooting a 50 BMG , that' s just reckless.. This man shoots fully automatic rifles on this range with his friends not just himself, he shoots his 50 BMG and his friend was kind enough to post pictures all over Facebook bragging about how proud they are and as well as the ammo they were using and magically a tree on our lot behind his range got snapped in half clean snap, when we made police report.. they suddenly claimed they were using frangible ammo ( although that isn't what was pictured in their pictures all over Facebook) doesn't take a genius to figure out that was a lie...not to mention we have audio recording of it and you can tell the difference in the sound between a frangible and a live round and we have a ton of ex military folks out here in our residential area that all heard the shots who called BS on the frangible as well.....
For those who say I should sell and move... why would I move when I built first and I'm not the one alone in this battle? There are several homes out her suing this man all with the same attorney. Now I did just have my house appraised 6 months prior to his build so if those who say he would make an awesome neighbor would like to cut me a check for the value, he can be their awesome neighbor, although I have pointed that out on other sites and I check my mail daily and there are still no checks so I guess they don't really want him as a neighbor as well.
For those who mentioned the noise, YOU are correct as well. I have now began to see a hearing specialist who has documented I have irreversible hearing damage in my one ear since this began. I never go to the range when I shoot without hearing protection because that would be ( well first off the range requires hearing protection ) and 2nd it's common sense. Now imagine being at the end of a range 200 feet away aimed in your direction and having rapid fire and a 50 BMG with no hearing protection on... I also work from home so I have been on conference calls with clients who have heard the rapid fire in the back ground and had to explain the situation as well as why my dogs are howling in the back ground as well ( and yes they can still hear the gun shots over my dogs howling on my work calls and videos ).
For those who think he might just be a stand up guy as well, the EPA was sent out per our Governor here in Florida on our behalf after another neighbor reached out to his office. He sent them out and they went after this guy for clearing more than an acre of land without the proper permits. He is a contractor he knows you are required to pull permits and still didn't, he didn't even pull the permit to clear his lot until after our State Rep was already made aware of the situation, then he went and pulled a permit ( mind you the lot was already cleared and the hole dug at this point) sound sketchy to you? Yeah we all thought so too
For the person who mentioned home owners insurance YOU are correct we asked him point blank if his home owners insurance was aware of this situation... his response... I think so I'm not sure... hmmm ( scratch head that bleached botox head lol ) you think they know? SO other words they don't because you didn't let your bank who holds the liability during your build right know but rest assure they will and rest assure they will require an additional liability policy and from the brokers I've called and inquired with ,,,wheeeeewwww it would've been a lot cheaper for you to have just went and bought a 10+ acre lot on an agriculture zoned plot that this would make more sense to do on. So for those who felt I or all the other neighbors out here should move.. maybe the other guy should actually move to a more realistic location to do what he is looking to do with the calibers he would like to shoot, OR turn it towards his own home... after all what he is doing is safe right?? So it should be safe to point at his kids rather than ours. He doesn't even live out here yet and he has shot several times with others and his one friend went door to door trying to gather support ( he found 2 homes not in the line of fire to support him ) and he bragged how this guy is going to throw a huge open house party and light it up...
Although final note is he has been quite recently since our attorney met with the County. She made it quite clear of our rights and how unsafe this is and how fully prepared she is to move forward to the next step with the State as well as with expert witnesses who are certified in this particular area of range design, ballistics and psychological and health effects it has on those around us. We have a a lot of veterans out here, law enforcement and well I got to know all my neighbors really fast and really well we actually have a gun shot survivor who has children and his house is also right in the line of fire, his new house that he built for his kids to have a safe place to play, imagine the look on his face when he saw the pictures of the range and heard the guns he fired the first time...
I thought your hair looked nice.
At first I thought you had let us down with this response, Travis. It took me a few minutes to see the wisdom of your words.
Yes I am Misty and yes I am aware attorney's love to drag out fights in litigation but it might be cheaper for him to move then since I only have to pay a portion of our attorney bills since there are several households out here on the same retainer so our legal fees have been split up where his are all his, I just built my home out here last year and it took over a year and half to build I'm not going anywhere and the State has made it quite clear in the letters back 2 two households that they don't agree with his side..
Whether the state agrees or not is pretty moot at the stage this is in.
Unless there's legislation already passed, then he built legally. And any future laws would probably contain a grandfather clause, because he had done the range before the law.
I wouldn't care for noise from a commercial range, myself. (I'm sure my private range isn't approved of by some of my neighbors. But I have it constructed well, and shoot only towards the back of my own ranch.)
Being as most states have laws that say they cannot fire a projectile across the property line, I'd consider putting up a solid, thin barrier that would show any hits from projectiles, and use that as prima facie evidence of not only criminal negligence, but civil grounds for endangerment.
The noise, the safety issue, and her property value will take a serious hit.
"if it's so safe, why didn't he build it pointed towards his house"......
Hard to argue that fact.
You did not see the video?
Sure I did, tell me what I missed.
The reporter walking down the face of the berm to start. The claim he is going to build it higher is good, even if he stops lower than his claimed 45 feet. A roof in front of his bench to deflect idiot high angle shots and there is no way they can hit her house without trying.
Noise is a serious problem, but he is still legal.
Other than the alleged claim of a 45 feet berm, None of the details you mentioned are in the video, Nice attempt of deflection though on your part.
You had asked if I had watched the video, Now I'm wondering if you watched it....
Still find it interesting the lack of common sense gun safety displayed here, and all the Kool Kids tripping over themselves trying to up their post count.
My final question, once again,
Your building your own rifle range in your small backyard,
Are you pointing the range towards your own house, or away from it?
I already know the answer.
My range is built directly behind my house, how the heck can you shoot a rifle off your back porch at your own home? I can definitely see why she doesn't think it's a good idea for him to be shooting towards her house. The noise is more of an issue than the safety issues, but she has no case as long as he shoots between 6 am and 10 pm.
He has gone to a specialist as well. He goes to a different one than I go to and his isn't as bad as mine but we both have baselines and documentation, my son is also in therapy because he was afraid to even stay here the first week. I'm thankful right now my son's hearing doesn't seem to be impacted yet but then again he is a typical pre-teen who always has head phones on anyhow...
He has gone to a specialist as well. He goes to a different one than I go to and his isn't as bad as mine but we both have baselines and documentation, my son is also in therapy because he was afraid to even stay here the first week. I'm thankful right now my son's hearing doesn't seem to be impacted yet but then again he is a typical pre-teen who always has head phones on anyhow...
If I were your husband, I’d think long and hard before I did anything to prevent hearing loss.
He has gone to a specialist as well. He goes to a different one than I go to and his isn't as bad as mine but we both have baselines and documentation, my son is also in therapy because he was afraid to even stay here the first week. I'm thankful right now my son's hearing doesn't seem to be impacted yet but then again he is a typical pre-teen who always has head phones on anyhow...
If I were your husband, I’d think long and hard before I did anything to prevent hearing loss.
He has gone to a specialist as well. He goes to a different one than I go to and his isn't as bad as mine but we both have baselines and documentation, my son is also in therapy because he was afraid to even stay here the first week. I'm thankful right now my son's hearing doesn't seem to be impacted yet but then again he is a typical pre-teen who always has head phones on anyhow...
You can pursue the hearing damage thing if you want. But I sure don't buy it.
While you are able to hear gunshots at the distance the range is from your house, I surely don't buy the claim that you have hearing damage from it.
The decibels fall off pretty sharply behind a berm, and with distance. Lots of military studies done on that. Lots of proof needed to make that case. The burden is one you. (Not just a hearing exam which can be faked...)
He could reverse his range in his direction. If you saw the pictures of how close his house is being built to the range and how close my house is to the end of his berm you would probably laugh at that your own statement because my house is closer to the end of his berm than his house is so he could easily turn it to face his own home if he truly feels what he is doing is so safe. He originally told us he was going to put up poles as a backstop as well as additional sand behind those poles which would A) help with safety and B) yes help reduce some of the noise, and he swore no one was going to shoot on that range till all that was done because he himself said "it's not safe , I'm not even close to being done, he told Fox news the same things that no one is shooting on it till then " well guess what those were lies... he who said himself it's not safe yet is shooting some really high caliber and rapid fire weapons on that range that is only 200 FEET not yards FEET from us aimed in our direction , his buddy was ignorant enough to state if they shot over the berm my house is close enough that it would probably go over my house... which would then go into a cluster of more homes because I'm the house on the end of the cuddlesac so going over mine and into even more populated area isn't any better but that's the kind of people we are dealing with ... I even reached out to the guy out in Texas who runs the Hidden Spring Ranch since he had his own tv show on hunting and often featured videos of a BMG, he was sent the distance, aerial pictures from a drone so that there was no manipulating or speculating and he couldn't believe what he was seeing. A lot of research and reaching out to a ton of ranges, ballistic experts, range design engineers, heck I even have the actual Army ballistic on guide sent to me from a very decorated veteran who reached out on our behalf and used many weapons on his multi tours over seas and couldn't believe when he came to my house how close this is to our home and stressed how unsafe this was. Trust me I did reach out and ask both of those guys as well as Federal Agent who walked the land and shook his head in disbelief as well, a state trooper who lives out here who can't believe he did this, code enforcement even reached out ATF who warned him the minute a stray passes his property line he is in a world of hurt. However with a 50 BMG or fully automatic that is shooting off 100 rounds a minute there isn't room for error to wait for that first stray to cross, it's reckless. I even randomly asked the guys who run the range I go too if I could bring my BMG there to shoot and they looked at me sideways first ( my guess is because they see me bring my AR but probably couldn't vision me with a 50 BMG lol ) they hesitantly said yeah but only on the 200 yard range I said " oh I don't know that's far can I start out in the 100 yard range? " they looked at me even more sideways and said what model do you have exactly and that is when I came clean with them and told them I was the one dealing with the guy on the news shooting a 50 BMG 200 feet away and they went over all the reasons why that is not safe and how reckless that is and pointed me in the direction of some NRA contacts who agreed as well in this scenario " Just because you can, doesn't mean you should" ,,,thanks for your time
i have my own 100 yard rifle range with a berm and had some Asian woman and her Asian mother and neither were American citizens fight me with the county Sheriff department and some of these law enforcement dudes were jerks to me and county attorneys were too. but i had a attorney who was better and smarter when it went to court the judge was pissed at the sheriffs department and county attorneys,judge threw it out of court made them all apologize to me. told those two non-American women from Asia leave or get used to it this America and he is free to do what he wants on his property period.it was almost funny how it went down judge also said if anyone bothered me again he would have them arrested and fined ,because i was doing nothing wrong in the county or America . my range is not pointed at anyone`s house and those Asian people lived a quarter mile away in the opposite direction of my gun range and now they moved to Australia because they found out they could get more free money out of that country > go figure ?
So many opinions, assumptions and incorrect information makes me wonder who’s giving her this info. I hope she has a big pile of money because this case is going to get drawn out long enough to pay for her lawyers new yacht. 1) He’s not breaking the law. 2) It’s his property. Case closed. Your feelings don’t really matter.
You do realize he has no upper berm so there is nothing baffling the sound and you do realize I'm only 200 feet away down range right?? So you're telling me if I came about 200 feet from you and shot a 50 BMG and you had no ear protection on that wouldn't effect your hearing? Yes there is a ton of research behind it which is why the military is trying to contract all their 50 BMG have suppressors even with their ear protection .. I have literally been in my house and on video call with client who jumped because it scared the crap out of them when he fired. We have neighbors who is an ex ranger scout who lives 6 blocks up easily and he can hear it clear as day in his home.. You are correct though I will have the burden of proof lucky for my husband and I we both had baselines showing we had no hearing issues prior to this and now I have ringing in my right ear all the time on and off the first few days always after he fires,I get massive headaches now from the constant ringing and I can't hear really loud pitched noises on the hearing test and in today's testing it's pretty hard to fake a test with the technology they use especially when they know it is documentation that will subject in a suit. We have not filed that suit just yet, the collective suit we have with the other households has kept us busy enough.
No one is saying he can't have a range either, he just needs to take the safety precautions that a responsible person would do. Tell me one range you have ever been to that will allow you to shoot a fully automatic or 50 BMG that has absolutely no berm above the ground? You do understand all he has is the hole he dug right? He has no dirt even above the ground, he took the dirt from the hole he dug out and used that to level his lot rather than using it as a back stop above the ground which might have made a little more sense. I'm sure if you could envision your neighbor goes out 200 feet behind you digs a hole then comes out on level ground not in the hole but level ground and starts to aim at you... Yeah as long as he aims down and knows how to shoot, chances are you should be ok, but man if he's off and it's not hard to be off when you're siting a rifle and off 1" makes a huge difference now how would you feel about him aiming that at you knowing there is nothing in between you and him at all but a few trees? You can see my house in the background of the video to see it's not a ton of trees either between us.
I agree your situation is very different and that was uncalled for especially if they weren't even citizens and it wasn't putting them in harm. Happy shooting on your range
You do realize he has no upper berm so there is nothing baffling the sound and you do realize I'm only 200 feet away down range right?? So you're telling me if I came about 200 feet from you and shot a 50 BMG and you had no ear protection on that wouldn't effect your hearing?
If the range is 100yds, that is 300', if you're 200' behind that, that's 500' from where he's shooting. If you want him to build the range the other direction, he'll be closer to you and it'll be louder for you when he shoots, presumably doing further damage to your ears.
A 50BMG @ 166yds isn't going to harm anyone's hearing.
The noise, the safety issue, and her property value will take a serious hit.
"if it's so safe, why didn't he build it pointed towards his house"......
Hard to argue that fact.
You did not see the video?
Sure I did, tell me what I missed.
The reporter walking down the face of the berm to start. The claim he is going to build it higher is good, even if he stops lower than his claimed 45 feet. A roof in front of his bench to deflect idiot high angle shots and there is no way they can hit her house without trying.
Noise is a serious problem, but he is still legal.
Other than the alleged claim of a 45 feet berm, None of the details you mentioned are in the video, Nice attempt of deflection though on your part.
You had asked if I had watched the video, Now I'm wondering if you watched it....
Still find it interesting the lack of common sense gun safety displayed here, and all the Kool Kids tripping over themselves trying to up their post count.
My final question, once again,
Your building your own rifle range in your small backyard,
Are you pointing the range towards your own house, or away from it?
I already know the answer.
My range is built directly behind my house, how the heck can you shoot a rifle off your back porch at your own home? I can definitely see why she doesn't think it's a good idea for him to be shooting towards her house. The noise is more of an issue than the safety issues, but she has no case as long as he shoots between 6 am and 10 pm.
If your replying to me,
"how can you shoot off your back porch at your own home" ????
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You are correct though I will have the burden of proof lucky for my husband and I we both had baselines showing we had no hearing issues prior to this and now I have ringing in my right ear all the time on and off the first few days always after he fires,I get massive headaches now from the constant ringing and I can't hear really loud pitched noises on the hearing test and in today's testing it's pretty hard to fake a test with the technology they use especially when they know it is documentation that will subject in a suit.
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My neighbors up by the hard road argue with each other all the time over a shared easement. One put a crappy old trailer on his property that the other had to drive by daily, so the other one built a hog pen next to the neighbors house and you can smell the aroma while driving by. Be careful what you wish for, maybe the pit will be a hog pen instead of rifle range one of these days.
Yes I am Misty and yes I am aware attorney's love to drag out fights in litigation but it might be cheaper for him to move then since I only have to pay a portion of our attorney bills since there are several households out here on the same retainer so our legal fees have been split up where his are all his, I just built my home out here last year and it took over a year and half to build I'm not going anywhere and the State has made it quite clear in the letters back 2 two households that they don't agree with his side.. I'm all for guns I own 2 ARs myself as well as several others so it's not about guns trust me we have several people out here who shoot, it's about how his set up is not safe and logical
I don't believe you.
Lets see some pictures of you with those alleged ARs.
You are absolutely correct that many of these folks who say they would be comfortable living at the end ( literally 200 feet is what the County measured the distance is from the end of his berm to me,) BTW I am the crazy cat lady ( who owns no cats btw) who the bleach & botox has settled in who apparently according to some but hey I love a good laugh too ) all good I find those who like to pick apart others usually have their own demons they're battling...Although my husband was staring down because he is a fire/medic who just came off a 24 hour shift and saved 2 lives in those 24 hours so he was a little tired that morning.
I am actually a huge 2nd amendment supporter and have quite my own rifle and hand gun collections. I go 6 miles up the road to our local range quite often to practice. I am a licensed CCW carrier as well so this is NOT at all a battle on guns or 2nd amendment rights, this is about common sense and SAFETY. The first rule of the NRA is know your back stop and further more what is behind it because no shot is guaranteed. We have a ton of private ranges around us all out here and no one is bothering any of those other folks because they did it safely and they are not shooting fully automatics and 50 BMG aimed at residential homes. We have one guy who shoots every night and good for him and God bless his ammo bill monthly lol . The man in question is an arms dealer as well though and openly said he will not only be shooting these high powered rifles but he test them on his private range, so how easy is it for something to be off and go wrong and now you just fired a 50 BMG towards several homes. We have mainly .25 -.50 acre lots here folks we are not country folk out here at all... We have 2 schools less than 900 feet away as well. Some other parents and a school official have already complained that kids panicked one day during a "shooter on campus drill" because they heard his shots and thought it wasn't a drill. REALLY not cool at all. Another mom out here called sheriff concerned a shooter was out here and that her kid was going to get shot getting off the bus... so I know the news chose to put my face on the "battle' since I am the closest home but trust me when I say it's not my battle alone out here at all. We met with a few attorneys before we all collectively agreed on the one we chose to retain.
So here is an update on the range since November so we can help clear some of the air up, yes it is legal to have a private range in Florida if you have more than acre and is considered reasonably safe. Now since all this began we ( I am not the only neighbor who has an issue with this man there are several homes out here who all retained the same attorney over this issue, so yes it is legally being handled) 2 homes out here have both received letters from the Florida Attorney General pointing us to our county commissioners and zoning to address this since per planning and planning and development in our area does not allow a rifle range, only Ag land can have those and this man is the one who bought his property butted up against a completely residential area and then chose to aim his range at the residential area homes. He could have aimed it at his own home, he could have turned it towards a direction that butts up against over 40 acres that have no homes in its path and we did ask him to turn it and he refused, he offered to build another one aimed in that direction for hand gun use but did not want to turn the rifle range because he is and has been shooting a 50 BMG on this range that is only 200 FEET from our home. So for those of you who think this is cool, please tell me what range allows you to shoot a 50 BMG 200 Feet from someone? ? I called over 100 ranges and not a single one would allow anything like this.
There is the debate on the 45 ft wall berm, for those of you who called BS on him YOU were correct he hasn't done a single thing other than the hole you see dug out which yes washes away with each rain we have here in Florida, so he has about an 12 ft dug out hole but nothing above ground at all so those of you who said if he misses and goes over his berm it is dangerous YOU are also correct and it is aimed right at my son's bedroom and anyone who knows a 50 BMG knows that will blow right through our block walls and into our home, heck several rifles would at those close a range... We told him if he feels it is so safe for all our children and grandchildren out here then why doesn't he send his own kids out back to play behind it when they shoot? I mean his buddy who came over and shot with him bragged to some of the neighbors who he failed epically at trying to rally behind him that when he shot the 50 BMG his son who is under 5 was in his lap! Great parenting skills there... I take my son to a range as well he is a little older but I would never have him on my lap while shooting a 50 BMG , that' s just reckless.. This man shoots fully automatic rifles on this range with his friends not just himself, he shoots his 50 BMG and his friend was kind enough to post pictures all over Facebook bragging about how proud they are and as well as the ammo they were using and magically a tree on our lot behind his range got snapped in half clean snap, when we made police report.. they suddenly claimed they were using frangible ammo ( although that isn't what was pictured in their pictures all over Facebook) doesn't take a genius to figure out that was a lie...not to mention we have audio recording of it and you can tell the difference in the sound between a frangible and a live round and we have a ton of ex military folks out here in our residential area that all heard the shots who called BS on the frangible as well.....
For those who say I should sell and move... why would I move when I built first and I'm not the one alone in this battle? There are several homes out her suing this man all with the same attorney. Now I did just have my house appraised 6 months prior to his build so if those who say he would make an awesome neighbor would like to cut me a check for the value, he can be their awesome neighbor, although I have pointed that out on other sites and I check my mail daily and there are still no checks so I guess they don't really want him as a neighbor as well.
For those who mentioned the noise, YOU are correct as well. I have now began to see a hearing specialist who has documented I have irreversible hearing damage in my one ear since this began. I never go to the range when I shoot without hearing protection because that would be ( well first off the range requires hearing protection ) and 2nd it's common sense. Now imagine being at the end of a range 200 feet away aimed in your direction and having rapid fire and a 50 BMG with no hearing protection on... I also work from home so I have been on conference calls with clients who have heard the rapid fire in the back ground and had to explain the situation as well as why my dogs are howling in the back ground as well ( and yes they can still hear the gun shots over my dogs howling on my work calls and videos ).
For those who think he might just be a stand up guy as well, the EPA was sent out per our Governor here in Florida on our behalf after another neighbor reached out to his office. He sent them out and they went after this guy for clearing more than an acre of land without the proper permits. He is a contractor he knows you are required to pull permits and still didn't, he didn't even pull the permit to clear his lot until after our State Rep was already made aware of the situation, then he went and pulled a permit ( mind you the lot was already cleared and the hole dug at this point) sound sketchy to you? Yeah we all thought so too
For the person who mentioned home owners insurance YOU are correct we asked him point blank if his home owners insurance was aware of this situation... his response... I think so I'm not sure... hmmm ( scratch head that bleached botox head lol ) you think they know? SO other words they don't because you didn't let your bank who holds the liability during your build right know but rest assure they will and rest assure they will require an additional liability policy and from the brokers I've called and inquired with ,,,wheeeeewwww it would've been a lot cheaper for you to have just went and bought a 10+ acre lot on an agriculture zoned plot that this would make more sense to do on. So for those who felt I or all the other neighbors out here should move.. maybe the other guy should actually move to a more realistic location to do what he is looking to do with the calibers he would like to shoot, OR turn it towards his own home... after all what he is doing is safe right?? So it should be safe to point at his kids rather than ours. He doesn't even live out here yet and he has shot several times with others and his one friend went door to door trying to gather support ( he found 2 homes not in the line of fire to support him ) and he bragged how this guy is going to throw a huge open house party and light it up...
Although final note is he has been quite recently since our attorney met with the County. She made it quite clear of our rights and how unsafe this is and how fully prepared she is to move forward to the next step with the State as well as with expert witnesses who are certified in this particular area of range design, ballistics and psychological and health effects it has on those around us. We have a a lot of veterans out here, law enforcement and well I got to know all my neighbors really fast and really well we actually have a gun shot survivor who has children and his house is also right in the line of fire, his new house that he built for his kids to have a safe place to play, imagine the look on his face when he saw the pictures of the range and heard the guns he fired the first time...
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No wonder why he asked you if you wanted to come over a shoot. Did he offer to let you shoot his gun?
reminds my of the thread about the preacher and hose who beat the guy trying to mess with his wife. If there is no berm above ground, i'd be raising hell also.
Yes I am Misty and yes I am aware attorney's love to drag out fights in litigation but it might be cheaper for him to move then since I only have to pay a portion of our attorney bills since there are several households out here on the same retainer so our legal fees have been split up where his are all his, I just built my home out here last year and it took over a year and half to build I'm not going anywhere and the State has made it quite clear in the letters back 2 two households that they don't agree with his side.. I'm all for guns I own 2 ARs myself as well as several others so it's not about guns trust me we have several people out here who shoot, it's about how his set up is not safe and logical
I don't believe you.
Lets see some pictures of you with those alleged ARs.
He could reverse his range in his direction. If you saw the pictures of how close his house is being built to the range and how close my house is to the end of his berm you would probably laugh at that your own statement because my house is closer to the end of his berm than his house is so he could easily turn it to face his own home if he truly feels what he is doing is so safe. He originally told us he was going to put up poles as a backstop as well as additional sand behind those poles which would A) help with safety and B) yes help reduce some of the noise, and he swore no one was going to shoot on that range till all that was done because he himself said "it's not safe , I'm not even close to being done, he told Fox news the same things that no one is shooting on it till then " well guess what those were lies... he who said himself it's not safe yet is shooting some really high caliber and rapid fire weapons on that range that is only 200 FEET not yards FEET from us aimed in our direction , his buddy was ignorant enough to state if they shot over the berm my house is close enough that it would probably go over my house... which would then go into a cluster of more homes because I'm the house on the end of the cuddlesac so going over mine and into even more populated area isn't any better but that's the kind of people we are dealing with ... I even reached out to the guy out in Texas who runs the Hidden Spring Ranch since he had his own tv show on hunting and often featured videos of a BMG, he was sent the distance, aerial pictures from a drone so that there was no manipulating or speculating and he couldn't believe what he was seeing. A lot of research and reaching out to a ton of ranges, ballistic experts, range design engineers, heck I even have the actual Army ballistic on guide sent to me from a very decorated veteran who reached out on our behalf and used many weapons on his multi tours over seas and couldn't believe when he came to my house how close this is to our home and stressed how unsafe this was. Trust me I did reach out and ask both of those guys as well as Federal Agent who walked the land and shook his head in disbelief as well, a state trooper who lives out here who can't believe he did this, code enforcement even reached out ATF who warned him the minute a stray passes his property line he is in a world of hurt. However with a 50 BMG or fully automatic that is shooting off 100 rounds a minute there isn't room for error to wait for that first stray to cross, it's reckless. I even randomly asked the guys who run the range I go too if I could bring my BMG there to shoot and they looked at me sideways first ( my guess is because they see me bring my AR but probably couldn't vision me with a 50 BMG lol ) they hesitantly said yeah but only on the 200 yard range I said " oh I don't know that's far can I start out in the 100 yard range? " they looked at me even more sideways and said what model do you have exactly and that is when I came clean with them and told them I was the one dealing with the guy on the news shooting a 50 BMG 200 feet away and they went over all the reasons why that is not safe and how reckless that is and pointed me in the direction of some NRA contacts who agreed as well in this scenario " Just because you can, doesn't mean you should" ,,,thanks for your time
Holy block of text.
You should study proper forum Etiquette before posting again.
Thank you Kenneth you just validated my point if it isn't safe to point it at your own home why would you point it at my home? This gave every answer to why he couldn't turn it towards his own home, the distance of his range would've been the same for him so he wasn't losing anything doing it that way, he tried to say geographically the way his land sloped this made more sense only he missed the part where we had a survey of the area when we bought our land prior to him buying his that shows we are actually lower ground than him so that excuse back fired. That is when he told us he was going to bring in all these telephone poles and put them up above ground ( since he has no upper berm at all, nothing nada level ground, dug the hole and that is it so if he shoots over his hole there is nothing at all stopping it from coming our way) then he was going to put all this dirt up behind the poles even, and you know at that thought yeah it would be a little more comforting to have something stopping a stray from coming over but he didn't do any of that, what you see in the article above is all he did and it has even sunk with all the rain we get in Florida because it's just sand and we get heavy rains here and he didn't reinforce it with anything to keep it from eroding back down into the hole so his 12 ft berm is slowly getting shorter and shorter
That's my point too we wonder why some liberals want to take our gun rights away! As many of my friendly fire friends have pointed out it's guys like this who take advantage of a lose written law that states you only need an acre to shoot on your property in Florida that make good responsible gun owners who also want to have private ranges look bad and trust me he has ticked a lot of the other private gun range owners out here off because now he has brought heat on the range issue and no one wants to lose their private ranges.We thought about putting one up when we bought our land too but then they started throwing up houses left and right around us and it wasn't a safe set up and especially when we have a range 6 miles up the road I can go to or I can go around the corner to another owners private range. This isn't about gun rights. I was one of the many who were very upset when Florida was talking about restricting ARs this scenario is about safety not guns. I'm all for guns, I'm all for shooting guns, I have raised my children around guns my daughter is an avid hunter in Alaska she has always been fascinated with hunting since she was like 11 THIS is about safety and common sense.
You do realize he has no upper berm so there is nothing baffling the sound and you do realize I'm only 200 feet away down range right?? So you're telling me if I came about 200 feet from you and shot a 50 BMG and you had no ear protection on that wouldn't effect your hearing?
If the range is 100yds, that is 300', if you're 200' behind that, that's 500' from where he's shooting. If you want him to build the range the other direction, he'll be closer to you and it'll be louder for you when he shoots, presumably doing further damage to your ears.
A 50BMG @ 166yds isn't going to harm anyone's hearing.
We have talked about putting a privacy fence that would clearly show just that Thanks for your input and enjoy your range sounds like it was built nice and open range out where you are if you're on a ranch.
Yes I am Misty and yes I am aware attorney's love to drag out fights in litigation but it might be cheaper for him to move then since I only have to pay a portion of our attorney bills since there are several households out here on the same retainer so our legal fees have been split up where his are all his, I just built my home out here last year and it took over a year and half to build I'm not going anywhere and the State has made it quite clear in the letters back 2 two households that they don't agree with his side.. I'm all for guns I own 2 ARs myself as well as several others so it's not about guns trust me we have several people out here who shoot, it's about how his set up is not safe and logical
I don't believe you.
Lets see some pictures of you with those alleged ARs.
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She needs to get her bugger hook at the bang switch.
Exactly there is no upper berm at all , nothing nada and his dug out hole is washing away with all the Florida rain we get because he didn't even reinforce that so his 12 ft hole is slowly filling up and becoming smaller and smaller making it even more dangerous
Exactly there is no upper berm at all , nothing nada and his dug out hole is washing away with all the Florida rain we get because he didn't even reinforce that so his 12 ft hole is slowly filling up and becoming smaller and smaller making it even more dangerous
Explain how you are only 200’ rather than 500’ from the firing line.
A bunch of us got together and bought 80 acres out in the coungtry. We made some backstops. After awhile a club member who lived about 3/4 mile down range came and said we were shooting his roof. Turned out tha shots were ricocheting off the berm, not burrowing into it. The NRA came out and explained what we had to do. There was a VERY LARGE assessment of all members. From the pictures in the video, there is no way the guy's trench is safe. There will be ricochets. .50 BMG rounds will cause the slopes to subside.
I belong to another club that has a hill about 60 feet high as the backstop. Twice I have seen rounds go over that hill, even though nobody is allowed to shoot there except classified High Power competitors.
Most of the noise from a supersonic projectile comes from the sonic boom, not the gun going off. That means that the noise reaching Misty's house comes from only 200 feet uprange. It will be VERY LOUD. I don't even like to drive the golf cart around our Sporting Clays club without hearing protection, even though most shots are (a) farther than 200 feet away, (b) not fired in the direction I am, and (c) a 12 gauge is nowhere near as noisy as a .50 BMG.
Incidentally, when hunting in Ohio, it is illegall to shoot within 500 feet of a house, whether or not you are shooting in that direction. And that's with a shotgun. Further, I am faniliar with most or all of the ranges on the North Coast. There is only one where full auto fire is allowed (they shoot .223 and .45 ACP) and NONE where a .50 BMG is allowed, slow, rapid, or full auto fire.
I think the best bet would be a noise ordnance. Don't rthey have them in Florida and can't someone get a dB meter?
Sounds like the rules are somewhat wrong. Over here ranges have a "template" applied that extends beyond the intended normal firing zone. Basically it's a degree of deviation from the normal firing zone to cover those rounds going off the side and/or over the normal firing zone.
Exactly there is no upper berm at all , nothing nada and his dug out hole is washing away with all the Florida rain we get because he didn't even reinforce that so his 12 ft hole is slowly filling up and becoming smaller and smaller making it even more dangerous
From the end of his berm ( his hole since he has no upper berm ) I am 200 feet from there so I'm 200 feet away if he shoots over his target, yes I get he has a 100 yard range so he is 300 feet further down but show me a range anywhere that allows you to shoot a 50 BMG with no upper back stop between you and a house? They don't exist and that 100 yard is taking for granted he is standing at the end of the 100 yards as well. 200 feet isn't very far at all if you miss... that's coming through our home
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The mark of moron who's IQ cannot rationally handle thoughts above sea level, and whose reptilian cortex will not allow answering any argument except by cursing or scatology, has come together in your mind, such as it exists. You are more to be pitied than censured.
From the end of his berm ( his hole since he has no upper berm ) I am 200 feet from there so I'm 200 feet away if he shoots over his target, yes I get he has a 100 yard range so he is 300 feet further down but show me a range anywhere that allows you to shoot a 50 BMG with no upper back stop between you and a house? They don't exist and that 100 yard is taking for granted he is standing at the end of the 100 yards as well. 200 feet isn't very far at all if you miss... that's coming through our home
The 200’ was the distance at which you were experiencing a hearing loss. The shooting seems to be happening @ 500’. Are you having hearing loss @ 200’ or 500’?
This has nothing to do with Bullets or ricochets, this has to do with you claiming hearing loss @ 200’ but the shooting seems to be happening @ no less than 500’.
From the end of his berm ( his hole since he has no upper berm ) I am 200 feet from there so I'm 200 feet away if he shoots over his target, yes I get he has a 100 yard range so he is 300 feet further down but show me a range anywhere that allows you to shoot a 50 BMG with no upper back stop between you and a house? They don't exist and that 100 yard is taking for granted he is standing at the end of the 100 yards as well. 200 feet isn't very far at all if you miss... that's coming through our home
The 200’ was the distance at which you were experiencing a hearing loss. The shooting seems to be happening @ 500’. Are you having hearing loss @ 200’ or 500’?
This has nothing to do with Bullets or ricochets, this has to do with you claiming hearing loss @ 200’ but the shooting seems to be happening @ no less than 500’.
Explain.
Once again...I repeat...the loudest noise from any supersonic bullet does not come from the gun. It comes from the projectile making a sonic boom. The projectile comes within 200 feet from her house.
Indy you're almost spot on what we have heard from others on this topic for the ricochet and splatter. As well as the noise. That is why Code Enforcement was brought into the meeting with our attorney and that is exactly one of the reason the Attorney General referred us back to code and zoning because gun ranges at his caliber which are considered sport shooting/rifle ranges are not exempt in Florida for noise unless they meet the NRA standards for Florida and he does not meet them at all...
Florida is also one of the few states that does not have any distance parameters in their legislation. It was explained to us that is was written so loosely ( you literally need an acre that's it in Florida) because most gun owners are responsible and most would never do this. We have heard from every branch on the state level that there is no case like this to even reference because most people have common sense to know this isn't safe and it's suppose to be up on the ballad this fall. If you research Florida and that statue 790.33 you will see there are several litigation cases around it because of how poorly it was written. County's sued the State over it and last July the first county won and that my dear is how we found our attorney, research research and research we wanted a firm that had the knowledge and already had a case on this topic and WON against the State. I can say the Partner of that firm gave us the best referral who knew for our position and she took us on collectively as several households. My house just happens to be the first in line of fire. We met with a few attorney's before we retained her, there was a local guy we were really leaning towards as well that I trusted but our attorney sits on the Florida Bar Association Council for land use and with the guidance of the firm on the Statue issue she was great pick for us all.
Once again...I repeat...the loudest noise from any supersonic bullet does not come from the gun. It comes from the projectile making a sonic boom. The projectile comes within 200 feet from her house.
That's incorrect. Bullets only make a sharp "crack" as they go past. The big boom is made at the launch end.
Indy you're almost spot on what we have heard from others on this topic for the ricochet and splatter. As well as the noise. That is why Code Enforcement was brought into the meeting with our attorney and that is exactly one of the reason the Attorney General referred us back to code and zoning because gun ranges at his caliber which are considered sport shooting/rifle ranges are not exempt in Florida for noise unless they meet the NRA standards for Florida and he does not meet them at all...
Florida is also one of the few states that does not have any distance parameters in their legislation. It was explained to us that is was written so loosely ( you literally need an acre that's it in Florida) because most gun owners are responsible and most would never do this. We have heard from every branch on the state level that there is no case like this to even reference because most people have common sense to know this isn't safe and it's suppose to be up on the ballad this fall. If you research Florida and that statue 790.33 you will see there are several litigation cases around it because of how poorly it was written. County's sued the State over it and last July the first county won and that my dear is how we found our attorney, research research and research we wanted a firm that had the knowledge and already had a case on this topic and WON against the State. I can say the Partner of that firm gave us the best referral who knew for our position and she took us on collectively as several households. My house just happens to be the first in line of fire. We met with a few attorney's before we retained her, there was a local guy we were really leaning towards as well that I trusted but our attorney sits on the Florida Bar Association Council for land use and with the guidance of the firm on the Statue issue she was great pick for us all.
So what will haappen now? It's one thing to have a complaint but what's the plan to win?
Great reply Indy! I laughed when I clicked on the link and thought "he's THAT GUY" clearly familiar with the DB hence why he had that link so handy he orders all the time clearly..
The guy is a fuggin idiot and deserves his ass kicked good and hard. My neighbors house is 264 yards down the road from mine. I do shoot in my back yard but not in the direction of their house. I also limit it mostly to .22 rimfires out of common courtesy, not wishing to irritate with the frequent noise of centerfire rifle fire.. I will only occasionally shoot centerfires here but will usually wait till the neighbors are not home to do so. I used to have neighbors that rode dirt bikes and shot off fireworks all the time and it was all I could do not to go over and sink a hatchet into their skulls. I never want my neighbors to feel that way about me.
Indy you're almost spot on what we have heard from others on this topic for the ricochet and splatter. As well as the noise. That is why Code Enforcement was brought into the meeting with our attorney and that is exactly one of the reason the Attorney General referred us back to code and zoning because gun ranges at his caliber which are considered sport shooting/rifle ranges are not exempt in Florida for noise unless they meet the NRA standards for Florida and he does not meet them at all...
Florida is also one of the few states that does not have any distance parameters in their legislation. It was explained to us that is was written so loosely ( you literally need an acre that's it in Florida) because most gun owners are responsible and most would never do this. We have heard from every branch on the state level that there is no case like this to even reference because most people have common sense to know this isn't safe and it's suppose to be up on the ballad this fall. If you research Florida and that statue 790.33 you will see there are several litigation cases around it because of how poorly it was written. County's sued the State over it and last July the first county won and that my dear is how we found our attorney, research research and research we wanted a firm that had the knowledge and already had a case on this topic and WON against the State. I can say the Partner of that firm gave us the best referral who knew for our position and she took us on collectively as several households. My house just happens to be the first in line of fire. We met with a few attorney's before we retained her, there was a local guy we were really leaning towards as well that I trusted but our attorney sits on the Florida Bar Association Council for land use and with the guidance of the firm on the Statue issue she was great pick for us all.
Its a problem with the rules. Unfortunately it may be cheaper for you to move rather than fight. If it's a safety issue then definitely move.
Thank you Kenneth you just validated my point if it isn't safe to point it at your own home why would you point it at my home? This gave every answer to why he couldn't turn it towards his own home, the distance of his range would've been the same for him so he wasn't losing anything doing it that way, he tried to say geographically the way his land sloped this made more sense only he missed the part where we had a survey of the area when we bought our land prior to him buying his that shows we are actually lower ground than him so that excuse back fired. That is when he told us he was going to bring in all these telephone poles and put them up above ground ( since he has no upper berm at all, nothing nada level ground, dug the hole and that is it so if he shoots over his hole there is nothing at all stopping it from coming our way) then he was going to put all this dirt up behind the poles even, and you know at that thought yeah it would be a little more comforting to have something stopping a stray from coming over but he didn't do any of that, what you see in the article above is all he did and it has even sunk with all the rain we get in Florida because it's just sand and we get heavy rains here and he didn't reinforce it with anything to keep it from eroding back down into the hole so his 12 ft berm is slowly getting shorter and shorter
That's my point too we wonder why some liberals want to take our gun rights away! As many of my friendly fire friends have pointed out it's guys like this who take advantage of a lose written law that states you only need an acre to shoot on your property in Florida that make good responsible gun owners who also want to have private ranges look bad and trust me he has ticked a lot of the other private gun range owners out here off because now he has brought heat on the range issue and no one wants to lose their private ranges.We thought about putting one up when we bought our land too but then they started throwing up houses left and right around us and it wasn't a safe set up and especially when we have a range 6 miles up the road I can go to or I can go around the corner to another owners private range. This isn't about gun rights. I was one of the many who were very upset when Florida was talking about restricting ARs this scenario is about safety not guns. I'm all for guns, I'm all for shooting guns, I have raised my children around guns my daughter is an avid hunter in Alaska she has always been fascinated with hunting since she was like 11 THIS is about safety and common sense.
Put it this way if he wasn't in a hole I could see him when he shoots so go out and measure how far 500 ft actually is. you'll find it's not that far.
When you go the range you wear head gear or ear protection correct? And you can always tell when someone walks up with a 1911 or 50 cal once they fire that bad boy because you're like HELLO even with ear protection on. Now imagine having a 50 BMG fired only at the longest distance away possible 500 feet after you have measured to see that isn't that far... and you have no head gear or ear protection because you're just in your house minding your business, yeah it's really loud. The rapid gun fire from the fully automatic is really loud as well. Look I have a 45 I shoot and I use to think it was loud till I heard the 50 BMG, it makes the 45 sound like peeeewwwwweeeee kind of like a 22 compared to a 40 cal it's like pew pew not Bang Bang huge difference.
Great reply Indy! I laughed when I clicked on the link and thought "he's THAT GUY" clearly familiar with the DB hence why he had that link so handy he orders all the time clearly..
well you know I can't tell you our strategy, I'm sure they have creepers stalking for info because they have stalked all my profiles since then I will say we have several grounds to file and confident on our stance. I never take on a legal battle I'm not confident in because otherwise as some one else pointed out, we just bought our attorney a yacht rather than our own yacht... All of us neighbors discussed fees and who was willing to spend what and how far we were willing to go with it so I hope he has deep pockets because he's going to need them It would've been cheaper for him to have bought more land or done it properly to begin with. Let's just say he has not moved in yet either and we're all curious how his bank who holds the liability right now is going to take a suit being filed against the property he hasn't even closed his loan on yet... You would've thought he would at least wait to satisfy his mortgage loan before having a litigation brought against the property..
Dang cat's out of the bag I'm not the 2 the one guy claimed ... I have a life outside of all this I am a multi published model as well cat's out ( although that's the only cat I have folks, I'm a dog lover)
]Dang cat's out of the bag I'm not the 2 the one guy claimed ... I have a life outside of all this I am a multi published model as well cat's out ( although that's the only cat I have folks, I'm a dog lover)[/quote]
Your doing a good job documenting your concerns and if something bad does happen you'll be looking good. I can't see how someone can get the law changed to fit their agenda. But at one Palm Beach County made it illegal to discharge a weapon in the county besides a few designated places.
Just because one CAN do something does not mean one SHOULD do something.
I'll be surprised if he is not shut down due to noise (nuisance) laws.
True!! I agree.
Firearms supporters just don't need more bad publicity from jackasses. I was a member of a gun club in SE Virginia, Some guy (preparing for an African safari) shot a 470 Nitro at the range. The first shot went into the berm; he jerked the the second shot, hit high on the berm and the bullet penetrated it and went 1/4 mile into a house. No one was hurt, but the sheriff closed the range that afternoon.
The remediation costs were prohibitive (about $750,000 in 1989) so the range permanently closed.
[no sorry to disappoint but that's me and I think I'm all right for mid 40s if you want to share how kind the years have been to you please feel free to share with the class
]Dang cat's out of the bag I'm not the 2 the one guy claimed ... I have a life outside of all this I am a multi published model as well cat's out ( although that's the only cat I have folks, I'm a dog lover)
Originally Posted by renegade50
Originally Posted by md44815
[no sorry to disappoint but that's me and I think I'm all right for mid 40s if you want to share how kind the years have been to you please feel free to share with the class
Just because one CAN do something does not mean one SHOULD do something.
I'll be surprised if he is not shut down due to noise (nuisance) laws.
True!! I agree.
Firearms supporters just don't need more bad publicity from jackasses. I was a member of a gun club in SE Virginia, Some guy (preparing for an African safari) shot a 470 Nitro at the range. The first shot went into the berm; he jerked the the second shot, hit high on the berm and the bullet penetrated it and went 1/4 mile into a house. No one was hurt, but the sheriff closed the range that afternoon.
The remediation costs were prohibitive (about $750,000 in 1989) so the range permanently closed.
Yikes! That's a steep fee and yes we don't want to see other people lose the right to have private ranges either, we have several out here by us, there have been several stray bullet cases out here even and no one is screaming to take those people ranges away either, typically once someone goes to that person and tells them hey we had strays or ricochets fly by our yard they rectify it and it doesn't happen again. The year we bought our lot the same guy who shoots around the corner from me nightly had some strays coming through our lot and the guy behind us who was living in his house at the time and he went to him and showed him the tree it hit, he built his backstop up better , problem solved. Now the problem we all have out here in our neighborhood is with a 50 BMG and fully automatic firing as many rounds a minute as this guy is firing those strays are very dangerous, there going into someone's home or the kid riding his bike, the girls out here walking, the kids on 4 wheelers having fun like they should be. He doesn't have a proper back stop or clear distance that is the issue, and he needs a suppressor for the BMG , then when you add the fact he lets his buddy come shoot who loves to post how he is going to light it up and everyone should grab their ear protection it's even more reckless. That guy can go shoot at his house and light it up out by his house and his neighbors he's a liability just waiting to happen with his attitude.
[no sorry to disappoint but that's me and I think I'm all right for mid 40s if you want to share how kind the years have been to you please feel free to share with the class
[no sorry to disappoint but that's me and I think I'm all right for mid 40s if you want to share how kind the years have been to you please feel free to share with the class
Would someone give me short version of this person’s essay posts? I’m not going to read all that drama and female, talk too much blather. Holy crap it’s like reading War and Peace
Would someone give me short version of this person’s essay posts? I’m not going to read all that drama and female, talk too much blather. Holy crap it’s like reading War and Peace
Aspiring Tranny sock puppet... Planned out a attention post from an old one. Mining pics off the web..... Getting some twisted giggles out of it all.
Would someone give me short version of this person’s essay posts? I’m not going to read all that drama and female, talk too much blather. Holy crap it’s like reading War and Peace
Aspiring Tranny sock puppet... Planned out a attention post from an old one. Mining pics off the web..... Getting some twisted giggles out of it all.
Would someone give me short version of this person’s essay posts? I’m not going to read all that drama and female, talk too much blather. Holy crap it’s like reading War and Peace
Aspiring Tranny sock puppet... Planned out a attention post from an old one. Mining pics off the web..... Getting some twisted giggles out of it all.
Cliff notes super condensed version.
Might be elkmaser.... Dunno.....
LOL!!!
Hell, I grew up with 5 sisters. I learned a long time ago, and stopped reading as soon as the post went past a couple hundred words. Anything more than that is just noise.
Hell, I grew up with 5 sisters. I learned a long time ago, and stopped reading as soon as the post went past a couple hundred words. Anything more than that is just noise.
200 words is where you drew the line—you did have 5 sisters.
Would someone give me short version of this person’s essay posts? I’m not going to read all that drama and female, talk too much blather. Holy crap it’s like reading War and Peace
Aspiring Tranny sock puppet... Planned out a attention post from an old one. Mining pics off the web..... Getting some twisted giggles out of it all.
Cliff notes super condensed version.
Might be elkmaser.... Dunno.....
LOL!!!
Hell, I grew up with 5 sisters. I learned a long time ago, and stopped reading as soon as the post went past a couple hundred words. Anything more than that is just noise.
House of estrogen here back in the day Wife 3 daughters total of 7 yrs apart. Native American blood in em from mom......
Hell, I grew up with 5 sisters. I learned a long time ago, and stopped reading as soon as the post went past a couple hundred words. Anything more than that is just noise.
200 words is where you drew the line—you did have 5 sisters.
lol
My years of experience and suffering taught me that a female runs out of pertinent speech at about that level. Anything more than that and it’s just abuse of noise ordnances.
Indy you're almost spot on what we have heard from others on this topic for the ricochet and splatter. As well as the noise. That is why Code Enforcement was brought into the meeting with our attorney and that is exactly one of the reason the Attorney General referred us back to code and zoning because gun ranges at his caliber which are considered sport shooting/rifle ranges are not exempt in Florida for noise unless they meet the NRA standards for Florida and he does not meet them at all...
Florida is also one of the few states that does not have any distance parameters in their legislation. It was explained to us that is was written so loosely ( you literally need an acre that's it in Florida) because most gun owners are responsible and most would never do this. We have heard from every branch on the state level that there is no case like this to even reference because most people have common sense to know this isn't safe and it's suppose to be up on the ballad this fall. If you research Florida and that statue 790.33 you will see there are several litigation cases around it because of how poorly it was written. County's sued the State over it and last July the first county won and that my dear is how we found our attorney, research research and research we wanted a firm that had the knowledge and already had a case on this topic and WON against the State. I can say the Partner of that firm gave us the best referral who knew for our position and she took us on collectively as several households. My house just happens to be the first in line of fire. We met with a few attorney's before we retained her, there was a local guy we were really leaning towards as well that I trusted but our attorney sits on the Florida Bar Association Council for land use and with the guidance of the firm on the Statue issue she was great pick for us all.
So what will haappen now? It's one thing to have a complaint but what's the plan to win?
Apparently it's to create an account on 24hourcampfire and convince a bunch of strangers that she's not crazy.
From the end of his berm ( his hole since he has no upper berm ) I am 200 feet from there so I'm 200 feet away if he shoots over his target, yes I get he has a 100 yard range so he is 300 feet further down but show me a range anywhere that allows you to shoot a 50 BMG with no upper back stop between you and a house? They don't exist and that 100 yard is taking for granted he is standing at the end of the 100 yards as well. 200 feet isn't very far at all if you miss... that's coming through our home
The 200’ was the distance at which you were experiencing a hearing loss. The shooting seems to be happening @ 500’. Are you having hearing loss @ 200’ or 500’?
This has nothing to do with Bullets or ricochets, this has to do with you claiming hearing loss @ 200’ but the shooting seems to be happening @ no less than 500’.
Explain.
Once again...I repeat...the loudest noise from any supersonic bullet does not come from the gun. It comes from the projectile making a sonic boom. The projectile comes within 200 feet from her house.
So. My subconscious boiled it down to this over the course of the evening. Does freedom mean freedom to do whatever you want or freedom to live amicably within society? Or what should it mean?
Consider this definition lifted using Google:
A private nuisance is a civil wrong; it is the unreasonable, unwarranted, or unlawful use of one's property in a manner that substantially interferes with the enjoyment or use of another individual's property, without an actual TRESPASS or physical invasion to the land.
(This concept comes from really old English common law. And being a civil wrong an injunction may issue. Though in practice not so clear when you add facts, circumstances, expert opinions and weigh competing interests.)
It's HIS property, He can do as he pleases (within the confines of the law) Same as hosting a party or working on a truck. A long as there'e no ricochets or stray rounds landing off his property, he's within his rights.
Neighbors cannot dictate how one acts on their property, Period....
It's HIS property, He can do as he pleases (within the confines of the law) Same as hosting a party or working on a truck. A long as there'e no ricochets or stray rounds landing off his property, he's within his rights.
Neighbors cannot dictate how one acts on their property, Period....
Just because it's the law doesn't make it right. I wouldn't want someone shooting towards my house from 500' away.
It's HIS property, He can do as he pleases (within the confines of the law) Same as hosting a party or working on a truck. A long as there'e no ricochets or stray rounds landing off his property, he's within his rights.
Neighbors cannot dictate how one acts on their property, Period....
Just because it's the law doesn't make it right. I wouldn't want someone shooting towards my house from 500' away.
and without a brem, shooting down into a hole don't cut it.
Is it really? Our system of laws evolved from the English system of laws. The land belonged to the king. The favored few were given certain interests in the land such as inheritance, all at the whim of the king. Can I declare my little quarter acre the state of Me and open a bar and grill and cat house? After all it's my land - no LEOs allowed.
OK, that's absurd. But just what powers are conferred by "ownership?" And by whom?
Everybody should go to a machine gun shoot and watch the ricochets skip over the mountains. They don't go miles horizontally, but they sure don't have any problem going a few hundred feet over the top of a hill. I'd hate to have a 750gr or even 150gr bullet drop on my head.
Everybody should go to a machine gun shoot and watch the ricochets skip over the mountains. They don't go miles horizontally, but they sure don't have any problem going a few hundred feet over the top of a hill. I'd hate to have a 750gr or even 150gr bullet drop on my head.
is there any reason this family can`t put up their own berm and/or a sound barrier type fence ? these whiners probably have dogs that bark all nite too. gun range is legal and is now grandfathered in because there was no law against it. these people can either fix their problem and live with it or leave period. bet they are city-its who want it all their way ,i say screw them gun range guy has rights too and we should be all on the side of the gun range guy !
I have a guy who lives about a half mile from me that often shoots fully automatic long guns at his backyard range. He is a gun smith and must have a license for these guns. I always like to listen when he opens up.
is there any reason this family can`t put up their own berm and/or a sound barrier type fence ? these whiners probably have dogs that bark all nite too. gun range is legal and is now grandfathered in because there was no law against it. these people can either fix their problem and live with it or leave period. bet they are city-its who want it all their way ,i say screw them gun range guy has rights too and we should be all on the side of the gun range guy !
We cannot have a berm on our side because we are less than an acre he bought an Ag-Res property he isn't on a agriculture he has 2.5 acres and he has the range in the back up by the property line of the residential lines, so no we cannot put up a berm on our side, we already have a fence, we also have plenty of private ranges out here that no one has a problem with because they all faced them away from homes where this guy chose the one direction to place his facing everyone's homes and he isn't shooting your typical handgun, shotguns, he is shooting fully automatic rifles and a 50 BMG and the first 2 homes are only 200 ft from his hole in the ground he has NO UPPER berm at all, so anything that goes over the hole he dug comes straight at all our homes. I think we can all agree even a 22 can travel a mile if it's stray a 50 BMG gone rogue well... you can figure it out. I'm also not city folk I grew up in Ohio which is hunting country my dear on plenty of acreage I shot my first deer at 12, I have raised my children to shoot this is not a matter of guns this is a matter of safety and common sense.
He also will not be grandfathered in FL you can have a recreational range if you are over an acre but the State is considering his a "sport shooting/ rifle range" given the calibers he shoots and the fact he is not using it just for recreational use, he is an arms dealer who manufactures these as well and he is testing them on this range, so if you truly shoot you should understand how dangerous it is to "test" or site these in a range aimed at homes with NO UPPER BERM OR backstop just the hole in the ground that keeps filling up with sand with every rain we get here...
I think some of you need to do 2 things: 1 - Work the pits in a rifle match. (The sonic boom isn't *the* loudest part of firing a rifle, but it's very loud and hearing protection is required.) 2 - Go to a machine gun shoot and watch the tracers bounce around. They'll give you an education in range design. I can easily imagine a bullet doing a skip and tumble straight over a 25' berm and still be moving over 500fps on it's way back. The lower the berm, the lower angle of ricochets it protects against.
It's HIS property, He can do as he pleases (within the confines of the law) Same as hosting a party or working on a truck. A long as there'e no ricochets or stray rounds landing off his property, he's within his rights.
Neighbors cannot dictate how one acts on their property, Period....
Just because it's the law doesn't make it right. I wouldn't want someone shooting towards my house from 500' away.
and without a brem, shooting down into a hole don't cut it.
We haven't established there's no berm.
The only photographic evidence we have of the range shows a berm.
Is it really? Our system of laws evolved from the English system of laws. The land belonged to the king. The favored few were given certain interests in the land such as inheritance, all at the whim of the king. Can I declare my little quarter acre the state of Me and open a bar and grill and cat house? After all it's my land - no LEOs allowed.
OK, that's absurd. But just what powers are conferred by "ownership?" And by whom?
In the state of Florida he's conferred the power to have his range.
It's HIS property, He can do as he pleases (within the confines of the law) Same as hosting a party or working on a truck. A long as there'e no ricochets or stray rounds landing off his property, he's within his rights.
Neighbors cannot dictate how one acts on their property, Period....
Just because it's the law doesn't make it right. I wouldn't want someone shooting towards my house from 500' away.
and without a brem, shooting down into a hole don't cut it.
We haven't established there's no berm.
The only photographic evidence we have of the range shows a berm.
This is the picture back in November of the range the day we met with him and since then we have had a ton of rain so that sand will have washed into the hole the little tiny what 1 ft that he has above ground? the rest is just a hole....Sorry can't get more up to date pics for you without bringing in a drone again but when you drive by his street you can still see no upper berm at all
It's HIS property, He can do as he pleases (within the confines of the law) Same as hosting a party or working on a truck. A long as there'e no ricochets or stray rounds landing off his property, he's within his rights.
Neighbors cannot dictate how one acts on their property, Period....
Just because it's the law doesn't make it right. I wouldn't want someone shooting towards my house from 500' away.
and without a brem, shooting down into a hole don't cut it.
We haven't established there's no berm.
The only photographic evidence we have of the range shows a berm.
Here is another one taken back in November where the county noted it was already eroding see the discoloration of the sand from caving... in FL we get heavy rains hence why we have sink holes here with sand.Only a matter of time before it shrinks more and more from erosion
I haven't read the 12 pages so this may have been addressed already but this whole deal is about the noise. I have a range and my neighbors tried the safety angle to shut me down also even after I hired a track hoe and dug a pond to build a backstop 20 feet high. It's the noise. The sheriff finally told my neighbors that apparently I know the law better than they do. Of course my range is not pointed at anyone's house and the nearest residence is 100 yards away across a federal highway. Don't you old geezers get all agreeable with her because she is female and looks ok when she makes up, slicks up, and poses.
We have more and more people moving onto country acreages or even buying small farms and then complaining about the distant sound of gunfire from the neighbours (who were already living there) and/or the smell of manure. A lot of people ask the obvious question.
I haven't read the 12 pages so this may have been addressed already but this whole deal is about the noise. I have a range and my neighbors tried the safety angle to shut me down also even after I hired a track hoe and dug a pond to build a backstop 20 feet high. It's the noise. The sheriff finally told my neighbors that apparently I know the law better than they do. Of course my range is not pointed at anyone's house and the nearest residence is 100 yards away across a federal highway. Don't you old geezers get all agreeable with her because she is female and looks ok when she makes up, slicks up, and poses.
Happy you were able to resolve this issues with your range and happy for you , fire away This isn't so much about the noise, yes that is an issue but the biggest concern it safety, cliff notes are he has dug a hole no upper berm at all, his hole 200 ft from the 2 closest homes in a residential populated area full of homes on less than .50 for most of them, he is shooting fully automatics that he is trying to site on this range and a 50 BMG (which is beyond obscene loud when you're down range 200 ft away). Had he taken the dirt from the hole he dug and put it at the top of his hole and made an actual berm that would've helped with that some and safety but he took the dirt used that to level his lot where he is putting his house and has nothing above ground at all so if he misses his hole guess where those strays are coming since there is nothing to stop it? That is the concern especially when you are taking a fully auto that fires over 100 rounds a minute , he is using steel targets and also a 50 BMG .. not practical and makes us responsible gun owners and other people out here who have private ranges look bad and that doesn't even begin to bring up the 2 schools less than 900 feet away with the parents complaining since he fired the fully auto during a school drill once and some kids panicked thinking it was real deal not a drill
Most of the noise from a supersonic projectile comes from the sonic boom,
Haven't worked in the pit behind the targets at a rifle range have you?
Many times. In the pits, the loudest noise comes from the closest approach of the bullet, which, in the pits, is directly overhead. In the case discussed here, the bullet does not get to overhead.
From the end of his berm ( his hole since he has no upper berm ) I am 200 feet from there so I'm 200 feet away if he shoots over his target, yes I get he has a 100 yard range so he is 300 feet further down but show me a range anywhere that allows you to shoot a 50 BMG with no upper back stop between you and a house? They don't exist and that 100 yard is taking for granted he is standing at the end of the 100 yards as well. 200 feet isn't very far at all if you miss... that's coming through our home
The 200’ was the distance at which you were experiencing a hearing loss. The shooting seems to be happening @ 500’. Are you having hearing loss @ 200’ or 500’?
This has nothing to do with Bullets or ricochets, this has to do with you claiming hearing loss @ 200’ but the shooting seems to be happening @ no less than 500’.
Explain.
Once again...I repeat...the loudest noise from any supersonic bullet does not come from the gun. It comes from the projectile making a sonic boom. The projectile comes within 200 feet from her house.
Wrong
Go in the pits at a High Power range sometime. The sonic boom (or crack) of trhe bullet is much louder than the rifle report, which comes later because the bullet travels faster than sound.
We have more and more people moving onto country acreages or even buying small farms and then complaining about the distant sound of gunfire from the neighbours (who were already living there) and/or the smell of manure. A lot of people ask the obvious question.
We have gun shots every night from other neighbors on out skirts and no one complains about them at all, but understand we are not on acreage my lot is less than acre and I have one of the larger ones since I'm at end of the cuddlesac but most lots out here are less than .50 acre this guy bought a lot outside of the residential zoning on ag-residential only 2.5 acres and he chose to aim his range on the only line of his property that is aimed at the hundreds of homes out here, we originally asked him to just turn it and face in a direction that would be aimed at over 40 acres of nothing no homes, some of it is marsh so won't ever be built on and he still chose not to do that, he wanted it aimed in the direction of all the homes rather than taking the safest route possible.
I would think almost every home out here owns guns, we all support 2nd amendment it's not a gun issue one of the other homes in the suit is a retired LA Sheriff Dept Sgt, another is a veteran ( I'm not the only one going after this guy) They just stuck me on the news because I was the closest home to danger. Several homes all retained the same attorney, the Governor sent EPA out over this, the Attorney General of Florida has addressed this range twice now to 2 different homes stating our county should be handling this so we were forced to retain an attorney since although our county believes this is not safe as well they want a Judge to rule on it based on the exceptions portion of the staue
It's HIS property, He can do as he pleases (within the confines of the law) Same as hosting a party or working on a truck. A long as there'e no ricochets or stray rounds landing off his property, he's within his rights.
Neighbors cannot dictate how one acts on their property, Period....
You're laughable.
I don't know about Florida but around here if the neighbor's teenagers are having a too-loud party, the cops come and shut 'em down.
Once again...I repeat...the loudest noise from any supersonic bullet does not come from the gun. It comes from the projectile making a sonic boom. The projectile comes within 200 feet from her house.
Wrong
Go in the [pits at a High Power range sometime. The sonic boom (or crack) of trhe bullet is much loouder than the rifle report, which comes later because gthe bullet gtravels fasteer than sound.
There's a sonic crack as the bullet breaks the speed of sound...
BUT, it's not louder than the muzzle blast.
If it were, the suppressor companies would be out of business.
There's a sonic crack as the bullet breaks the speed of sound...
BUT, it's not louder than the muzzle blast.
If it were, the suppressor companies would be out of business.
Geez.
Before I call you and the two other guys delusional, it occurs to me that you may be unfamiliar with various different tyoes of ammunition. So I will restate it.
Pay attention. You may learn something.
If you go to a High Power rifle match where the range is 200 yards, and stand in the pits (where the targets are), the sonic ":crack" from either a 5.56mm 69 grain bullet launched at 2700 fps or a .308" 168 grain bullet launched at 2700 fps will be louder and will hurt your ears more than the report of the rifle from 200 yards uprange.
That's the facts, Jack.
The "muzzle blast" is louder from the firing line. (The sonic boom is not heard there because it propogates down range.) Suppressors help with that.
Suppressors have no effect on sonic booms, which is why ammo like the .300 Blackout, which is subsonic and doesn't make a boom, was invented.
I have a guy who lives about a half mile from me that often shoots fully automatic long guns at his backyard range. He is a gun smith and must have a license for these guns. I always like to listen when he opens up.
Bet you wouldn't enjoy it so much if his firing line was 500 ft. away rather than half a mile. Particularly with him firing toward your house. Like I said in a previous post, my nearest neighbor is 264 yards down the road {rangefinder verified} and I seldom shoot anything but rimfires here out of common courtesy and NEVER in their direction.
All I can see is in this video, The photos the complainer is posting don't show much. Why crop out all but a small fraction of your images and say the whole thing has failed?
Back up and show us a updated wide angle shot......
All I can see is in this video, The photos the complainer is posting don't show much. Why crop out all but a small fraction of your images and say the whole thing has failed?
Back up and show us a updated wide angle shot......
There you go a picture from the street view in the back corner circled for you they were cropped because you're not going to see the erosion from a far distance and those pics were back in November from when the County was looking into him with the EPA, sorry can't get you more recent ones we kind of don't get along for me to go grab new ones ...
All I can see is in this video, The photos the complainer is posting don't show much. Why crop out all but a small fraction of your images and say the whole thing has failed?
Back up and show us a updated wide angle shot......
Here's another angle for you from the street I have to circle to show you where it even is since there is no upper berm... so now tell me would you be comfortable with 100s of rounds firing at you 200 ft from his berm or with a 50 BMG being "tested" aimed at you with that berm and that close of proximity?
There's a sonic crack as the bullet breaks the speed of sound...
BUT, it's not louder than the muzzle blast.
If it were, the suppressor companies would be out of business.
Geez.
Before I call you and the two other guys delusional, it occurs to me that you may be unfamiliar with various different tyoes of ammunition. So I will restate it.
Pay attention. You may learn something.
If you go to a High Power rifle match where the range is 200 yards, and stand in the pits (where the targets are), the sonic ":crack" from either a 5.56mm 69 grain bullet launched at 2700 fps or a .308" 168 grain bullet launched at 2700 fps will be louder and will hurt your ears more than the report of the rifle from 200 yards uprange.
That's the facts, Jack.
The "muzzle blast" is louder from the firing line. (The sonic boom is not heard there because it propogates down range.) Suppressors help with that.
Suppressors have no effect on sonic booms, which is why ammo like the .300 Blackout, which is subsonic and doesn't make a boom, was invented.
I'm pretty familiar with all you discuss, and I give you that accuracy in wording.
What you're discussing is when the bullet passes you at beyond the speed of sound. As it was with working the rifle range as a scorer.
But is the perceived loudness the same when the bullet does not pass you? (If it were stopped by the berm...)
Another interesting phenomenon is bullet impact, and the sound it makes. It's all relative to your position to the gun firing, and the object impacted. I've heard some shots strike a deer or a hog, that the impact sound was louder than what I perceived the gunshot to be.
What actual decibel readings 200ft from the rear of the pit/berm, where the rifle is fired 100 yards before that is still in question. I imagine only a test with a decibel meter would give a correct answer.
So. My subconscious boiled it down to this over the course of the evening. Does freedom mean freedom to do whatever you want or freedom to live amicably within society? Or what should it mean?
sorry can't get you more recent ones we kind of don't get along for me to go grab new ones ...
So it's either too close or too far away to actually tell anything, I get it......
It's too bad you've alienated yourself from your neighbor. That never seems to be the thing to do when working out issues.
I'm curious, before you rallied the neighbors together to get help financing a lawsuit did you research all the other private shooting ranges that are in Florida where people have always complain and never make a difference in the end?
If so, why do you feel your situation is different?
It's always the same song, complain, complain, complain and then fade away once all recourse's have been exhausted and people realize and come to grips with it being legal to shoot in your backyard.
If a case such as your's was ever to make it before a jury it might be highly questioned as to why you have stayed in that home if you truly felt one of your loved ones could be shot or if it was effecting any of you medically.
That just makes me feel you might be bitchin' just to be bitchin'. All the attention you have attracted to this issue trying to get it as publicized as possible is effecting your own property values.
It's seems to me you either just love attention at any cost or if a real danger is involved you're actions (of staying in the home) make you appear to be suicidal and very irresponsible with your own family
All I can see is in this video, The photos the complainer is posting don't show much. Why crop out all but a small fraction of your images and say the whole thing has failed?
Back up and show us a updated wide angle shot......
There you go a picture from the street view in the back corner circled for you they were cropped because you're not going to see the erosion from a far distance and those pics were back in November from when the County was looking into him with the EPA, sorry can't get you more recent ones we kind of don't get along for me to go grab new ones ...
sorry can't get you more recent ones we kind of don't get along for me to go grab new ones ...
So it's either too close or too far away to actually tell anything, I get it......
It's too bad you've alienated yourself from your neighbor. That never seems to be the thing to do when working out issues.
I'm curious, before you rallied the neighbors together to get help financing a lawsuit did you research all the other private shooting ranges that are in Florida where people have always complain and never make a difference in the end?
If so, why do you feel your situation is different?
It's always the same song, complain, complain, complain and then fade away once all recourse's have been exhausted and people realize and come to grips with it being legal to shoot in your backyard.
If a case such as your's was ever to make it before a jury it might be highly questioned as to why you have stayed in that home if you truly felt one of your loved ones could be shot or if it was effecting any of you medically.
That just makes me feel you might be bitchin' just to be bitchin'. All the attention you have attracted to this issue trying to get it as publicized as possible is effecting your own property values.
It's seems to me you either just love attention at any cost or if a real danger is involved you're actions (of staying in the home) make you appear to be suicidal and very irresponsible with your own family
There is a difference between a sport shooting/rifle range and a recreational range in Florida, there is a difference between safe and reckless. I just built my home why would or should I move when someone else is being reckless? Are you suggesting everyone out here move as well because of one guy who came in after everyone else? Typically when you build a range you see what is behind your target area, Although he admitted he never drove back here to look, he did admit he had no issue seeing our homes, maybe he should've researched his property prior to building and he shouldn't bought an Ag-Res lot he should've bought an agriculture lot that in FL does allow this, maybe since he didn't at least buy an Ag lot he should've at least aimed it in the opposite direction of the population out here ( logical thing to have done and several neighbors asked him to do that not just me ) for the record I didn't have to rally anyone, and he alienated himself from everyone out here not reverse, we gave him options before deciding to go legal he chose to tell the media he would not fire on this range till it was complete and he was going to all these BS things that he didn't do a single one of them and he stated himself in his article to Fox news it wasn't complete no one would be firing on it and well those were lies so when the homeowner himself makes a comment that "it's not finished or safe yet" and then goes against his own words and fires on the same range it's not bitching , that's logic that requires recourse for safety reasons , now if you want him as your neighbor drop me a cashiers check and he can be your dream neighbor
All I can see is in this video, The photos the complainer is posting don't show much. Why crop out all but a small fraction of your images and say the whole thing has failed?
Back up and show us a updated wide angle shot......
don't see a berm in that video, if you have a rifle on the bench and someone negligently touches one of its going into the house.
All I can see is in this video, The photos the complainer is posting don't show much. Why crop out all but a small fraction of your images and say the whole thing has failed?
Back up and show us a updated wide angle shot......
There you go a picture from the street view in the back corner circled for you they were cropped because you're not going to see the erosion from a far distance and those pics were back in November from when the County was looking into him with the EPA, sorry can't get you more recent ones we kind of don't get along for me to go grab new ones ...
MILITARY GRADE WEAPON!!
Care to elaborate, Karen?
sure a 50 BMG is a military weapon is it not? Was it not designed to take out tanks? Is it not used to take out aircraft?
Wiki definition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_BMG History John Browning had the idea for this round during [color:#66FFFF]World War I in response to a need for an anti-aircraft weapon, based on a scaled-up .30-06 Springfield design, used in a machine gun based on a scaled-up M1919/M191[/color]7 design that Browning had initially developed around 1900 (but which was not [color:#66FFFF]adopted by the U.S. military until 1917, hence the model designation).[4] Armor-piercing incendiary tracer (APIT) rounds were especially effective against aircraft, and the AP rounds and armor-piercing incendiary (API) rounds were excellent for destroying concrete bunkers, structures, and lighter armored fighting vehicles (AFVs). The API and APIT rounds left a flash, report, and smoke on contact, useful in detecting strikes on targets.[5] [/color] The development of the .50 BMG round is sometimes confused with the German 13.2 mm TuF, which was developed by Germany for an anti-tank rifle to combat British tanks during WWI and against aircraft. According to the American Rifleman: "Actually, the Browning .50 originated in the Great War. American interest in an armor-piercing cartridge was influenced by the marginal French 11 mm design, prompting U.S. Army Ordnance officers to consult Browning. They wanted a heavy projectile at 2700 feet per second (f.p.s.), but the ammunition did not exist. Browning pondered the situation and, according to his son John, replied, 'Well, the cartridge sounds pretty good to start. You make up some cartridges and we'll do some shooting.'"[6]
The American Rifleman further explains that development was "[r]eputedly influenced by Germany's 13.2x92 mm SR (.53-cal.) anti-tank rifle" and that then "Ordnance contracted with Winchester to design a .50-cal. cartridge. Subsequently, Frankford Arsenal took over from Winchester, producing the historic .50 BMG or 12.7x99 mm cartridge. The Army then returned to John Browning for the actual gun. Teamed with Colt, he produced prototypes ready for testing and, ironically, completed them by Nov. 11, 1918—the Great War's end."[6]
The round was put into use in the M1921 Browning machine gun. This gun was later developed into the M2HB Browning which with its .50 caliber armor-piercing cartridges went on to function as an anti-aircraft and anti-vehicular machine gun, capable of penetrating 0.9 inches (23 mm) of face-hardened armor steel plate at 200 meters (220 yd),[7] 1 inch (25 mm) of rolled homogeneous armor at the same range,[8] and 0.75 inches (19 mm) at 547 yards (500 m).[9]
The concept of a .50 caliber machine gun was not an invention of this era; this caliber (.50 inch) had been used in Maxim machine guns and in a number of manual rapid-fire guns such as the original Gatling gun, although these were much lower power cartridges.
The .50 BMG cartridge D[color:#66FFFF]uring World War II the .50 BMG was primarily used in the M2 Browning machine gun, in both its "light barrel" aircraft mount version and the "heavy barrel" (HB) version on ground vehicles, for anti-aircraft purposes. [/color]An upgraded variant of the M2 Browning HB machine gun used during World War II is still in use today. Since the mid-1950s, some armored personnel carriers and utility vehicles have been made to withstand 12.7 mm machine gun fire, restricting the destructive capability of the M2. It still has more penetrating power than lighter weapons such as general-purpose machine guns, though it is significantly heavier and more cumbersome to transport. Its range and accuracy, however, are superior to light machine guns when fixed on tripods, and it has not been replaced as the standard caliber for Western vehicle-mounted machine guns (Soviet and CIS armored vehicles mount 12.7×108mm NSVs, which are ballistically similar to .50 BMGs).[citation needed]
Decades later, the .50 BMG was chambered in high-powered rifles as well.[4] The Barrett M82 .50 caliber rifle and later variants were developed during the 1980s and have upgraded the anti-materiel power of the military sniper.[4] A skilled sniper can effectively neutralize an infantry unit by eliminating several targets (soldiers or equipment) without revealing his precise location.[color:#66FFFF] The long range (over one mile) between firing position and target allows time for the sniper to avoid enemy retaliation[/color] by either changing positions repeatedly, or by safely retreating.
All I can see is in this video, The photos the complainer is posting don't show much. Why crop out all but a small fraction of your images and say the whole thing has failed?
Back up and show us a updated wide angle shot......
don't see a berm in that video, if you have a rifle on the bench and someone negligently touches one of its going into the house.
Exactly ! Thank you You do notice my house in the background though that blue is my house.
don't see a berm in that video, if you have a rifle on the bench and someone negligently touches one of its going into the house.
And at the safest range in the world "IF" someone negligently touches one off they can shoot the guy next to them or even the guy in the parking lot as they remove guns from their car......
I'm pretty familiar with all you discuss, and I give you that accuracy in wording.
What you're discussing is when the bullet passes you at beyond the speed of sound. As it was with working the rifle range as a scorer.
But is the perceived loudness the same when the bullet does not pass you? (If it were stopped by the berm...)
Now I gotta give you one.
I've been in the pits when the shooter shoots a few feet low and hits the berm about 10 feet behind me. It isn't nearly as loud as the crack when it passes overhead.
sure a 50 BMG is a military weapon is it not? Was it not designed to take out tanks? Is it not used to take out aircraft?
Wiki definition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_BMG History John Browning had the idea for this round during [color:#66FFFF]World War I in response to a need for an anti-aircraft weapon, based on a scaled-up .30-06 Springfield design, used in a machine gun based on a scaled-up M1919/M191[/color]7 design that Browning had initially developed around 1900 (but which was not [color:#66FFFF]adopted by the U.S. military until 1917, hence the model designation).[4] Armor-piercing incendiary tracer (APIT) rounds were especially effective against aircraft, and the AP rounds and armor-piercing incendiary (API) rounds were excellent for destroying concrete bunkers, structures, and lighter armored fighting vehicles (AFVs). The API and APIT rounds left a flash, report, and smoke on contact, useful in detecting strikes on targets.[5] [/color] The development of the .50 BMG round is sometimes confused with the German 13.2 mm TuF, which was developed by Germany for an anti-tank rifle to combat British tanks during WWI and against aircraft. According to the American Rifleman: "Actually, the Browning .50 originated in the Great War. American interest in an armor-piercing cartridge was influenced by the marginal French 11 mm design, prompting U.S. Army Ordnance officers to consult Browning. They wanted a heavy projectile at 2700 feet per second (f.p.s.), but the ammunition did not exist. Browning pondered the situation and, according to his son John, replied, 'Well, the cartridge sounds pretty good to start. You make up some cartridges and we'll do some shooting.'"[6]
The American Rifleman further explains that development was "[r]eputedly influenced by Germany's 13.2x92 mm SR (.53-cal.) anti-tank rifle" and that then "Ordnance contracted with Winchester to design a .50-cal. cartridge. Subsequently, Frankford Arsenal took over from Winchester, producing the historic .50 BMG or 12.7x99 mm cartridge. The Army then returned to John Browning for the actual gun. Teamed with Colt, he produced prototypes ready for testing and, ironically, completed them by Nov. 11, 1918—the Great War's end."[6]
The round was put into use in the M1921 Browning machine gun. This gun was later developed into the M2HB Browning which with its .50 caliber armor-piercing cartridges went on to function as an anti-aircraft and anti-vehicular machine gun, capable of penetrating 0.9 inches (23 mm) of face-hardened armor steel plate at 200 meters (220 yd),[7] 1 inch (25 mm) of rolled homogeneous armor at the same range,[8] and 0.75 inches (19 mm) at 547 yards (500 m).[9]
The concept of a .50 caliber machine gun was not an invention of this era; this caliber (.50 inch) had been used in Maxim machine guns and in a number of manual rapid-fire guns such as the original Gatling gun, although these were much lower power cartridges.
The .50 BMG cartridge D[color:#66FFFF]uring World War II the .50 BMG was primarily used in the M2 Browning machine gun, in both its "light barrel" aircraft mount version and the "heavy barrel" (HB) version on ground vehicles, for anti-aircraft purposes. [/color]An upgraded variant of the M2 Browning HB machine gun used during World War II is still in use today. Since the mid-1950s, some armored personnel carriers and utility vehicles have been made to withstand 12.7 mm machine gun fire, restricting the destructive capability of the M2. It still has more penetrating power than lighter weapons such as general-purpose machine guns, though it is significantly heavier and more cumbersome to transport. Its range and accuracy, however, are superior to light machine guns when fixed on tripods, and it has not been replaced as the standard caliber for Western vehicle-mounted machine guns (Soviet and CIS armored vehicles mount 12.7×108mm NSVs, which are ballistically similar to .50 BMGs).[citation needed]
Decades later, the .50 BMG was chambered in high-powered rifles as well.[4] The Barrett M82 .50 caliber rifle and later variants were developed during the 1980s and have upgraded the anti-materiel power of the military sniper.[4] A skilled sniper can effectively neutralize an infantry unit by eliminating several targets (soldiers or equipment) without revealing his precise location.[color:#66FFFF] The long range (over one mile) between firing position and target allows time for the sniper to avoid enemy retaliation[/color] by either changing positions repeatedly, or by safely retreating.
TFF. TroLLOL.
So's the 5.56x45 NATO and the 7.62x51 NATO. Hell the 45-70 and 30-06. "Military grade!!!! BWAAAAA!!!!"
If we're lucky, a ricochet won't deflate your fun bags.
The complainers should have realized they were not suited for too much liberty and bought into a hoa community in the first place. instead of trying to make their problem someone else's they should sell and move, or just move.
apple and oranges, those are one-off incidents, not a bench on a range pointed in an unsafe direction being used repeatedly. common sense should tell anyone it is not safe.
Are you suggesting everyone out here move as well because of one guy who came in after everyone else?
I'd suggest everyone that is actually in fear of their life or health should have long since moved at least temporary until the issue is settled ..... But apparently not a single person has?
Originally Posted by md44815
we gave him options
That always goes over well when one "gives options" to another for what he can do on his own private property.
Originally Posted by md44815
now if you want him as your neighbor drop me a cashiers check and he can be your dream neighbor
I do invest a good bit but since you have taken to social medial ranting and rendering your home value to all but zero, I'll pass unless once you've lost all your court battles you choose to flee and dump it for pocket change...
You rich f.ucks always give me a laugh. Lots of folks, nope, make that most folks can't afford to just abandon their home and move someplace else, temporarily or otherwise. I was homeless for six months after my home was destroyed by flood. I still had to make the mortgage payments on it, even though it was not habitable and didn't have enough money to make mortgage payments or rent on another place. Now maybe this neighborhood in Florida is full of rich f.ucks that could afford it but the majority of people out there could not.
I know that building ranges like what is described in the OP is going to result in a bunch of people that don't know schit about ranges passing more legislation or ordinances about home/private ranges.
Akin to the wealthy redneck that lives in a nice neighborhood but builds derby cars until 2am. Yeah, he gets away with it for awhile and thinks it's funny. But the end result is everybody gets fined for doing something as simple as change brake pads in their driveway.
I know that building ranges like what is described in the OP is going to result in a bunch of people that don't know schit about ranges passing more legislation or ordinances about home/private ranges.
This is by far not an original case, every range that goes in gets complaints, the last one near this one was one county away to the north and less than a year prior, same schit, papers picked it up, caused a little stir and the laws stood as they should.
This case is nothing unique and will end like the others..
Same as when the stand your ground law in Florida has been challenged, a little stir, media get some front page headlines for a bit and then they fade away....
Just cause she is loud isn't going to give her any priorities with changing Florida law....
How many homes have been shot, how many rushed to the ER with bullet wounds?
Drama, drama, drama from a neighbor that is proving she's a drama queen with ever post she makes here...
Why would any one care if it passed anything but requirements for a Florida private range?
This bitch has built this up to make it sound as if she is in the middle of a suburban neighborhood.
Go do a Google Street view look at Pigeon Ave. Weeki Wachee, FL 34614 and cruise around the streets there and tell me what you see...
She's on a dirt road in the middle of a heavily forested area with a random house here and there....
Lots are selling for around 10K to 15K all around her, she could scarf one up and be legal to build her own dam berm or even get a variance from the county to build a berm on her existing lot own FAR cheaper than her court battle is costing.
She's a control freak bitch that has dropped her tits on the table to get her way all her life, she isn't use to being told NO to. Control issues out the ass, let alone her demanding of attention through her multiple social media postings of her partially clothed body.
She's an attention whore that don't like not getting her way, nothing more. She'll eat schit in court and complain until she drops...
I know that building ranges like what is described in the OP is going to result in a bunch of people that don't know schit about ranges passing more legislation or ordinances about home/private ranges.
This is by far not an original case, every range that goes in gets complaints, the last one near this one was one county away to the north and less than a year prior, same schit, papers picked it up, caused a little stir and the laws stood as they should.
This case is nothing unique and will end like the others..
Same as when the stand your ground law in Florida has been challenged, a little stir, media get some front page headlines for a bit and then they fade away....
Just cause she is loud isn't going to give her any priorities with changing Florida law....
How many homes have been shot, how many rushed to the ER with bullet wounds?
Drama, drama, drama from a neighbor that is proving she's a drama queen with ever post she makes here...
Why would any one care if it passed anything but requirements for a Florida private range?
This bitch has built this up to make it sound as if she is in the middle of a suburban neighborhood.
Go do a Google Street view look at Pigeon Ave. Weeki Wachee, FL 34614 and cruise around the streets there and tell me what you see...
She's on a dirt road in the middle of a heavily forested area with a random house here and there....
Lots are selling for around 10K to 15K all around her, she could scarf one up and be legal to build her own dam berm or even get a variance from the county to build a berm on her existing lot own FAR cheaper than her court battle is costing.
She's a control freak bitch that has dropped her tits on the table to get her way all her life, she isn't use to being told NO to. Control issues out the ass, let alone her demanding of attention through her multiple social media postings of her partially clothed body.
She's an attention whore that don't like not getting her way, nothing more. She'll eat schit in court and complain until she drops...
Google maps is not up to date my dear, there are houses all over out here and they are all brand new homes we have had 3 homes go up at the end of our street alone in the past 6 months and they just cleared another lot, 6 houses on the road over just went in and 2 more lots just cleared, there are over 30 new houses out here so Google maps still shows dirt road so when you're going to throw stones make sure you have facts to back them my dear or this attention whore will bite back If you can also find lots out here for 10-15K please let me know the one across the street just sold for 27k and no I can't buy any lots beside me jackass because their all sold and have houses on them minus the one he is building on again make sure you post facts so you won't have to wipe that egg off your face ...so glad your showing your intelligence can't see past my breasts that explains why you have a hard time understanding facts vs theory
Why would any one care if it passed anything but requirements for a Florida private range?
This bitch has built this up to make it sound as if she is in the middle of a suburban neighborhood.
Go do a Google Street view look at Pigeon Ave. Weeki Wachee, FL 34614 and cruise around the streets there and tell me what you see...
She's on a dirt road in the middle of a heavily forested area with a random house here and there....
Lots are selling for around 10K to 15K all around her, she could scarf one up and be legal to build her own dam berm or even get a variance from the county to build a berm on her existing lot own FAR cheaper than her court battle is costing.
She's a control freak bitch that has dropped her tits on the table to get her way all her life, she isn't use to being told NO to. Control issues out the ass, let alone her demanding of attention through her multiple social media postings of her partially clothed body.
She's an attention whore that don't like not getting her way, nothing more. She'll eat schit in court and complain until she drops...
Well then I'd say her neighbor should have bought a different piece of land so he could build a range that didn't have a house 200 feet directly behind the berm.
Well then I'd say her neighbor should have bought a different piece of land so he could build a range that didn't have a house 200 feet directly behind the berm.
Why would any one care if it passed anything but requirements for a Florida private range?
This bitch has built this up to make it sound as if she is in the middle of a suburban neighborhood.
Go do a Google Street view look at Pigeon Ave. Weeki Wachee, FL 34614 and cruise around the streets there and tell me what you see...
She's on a dirt road in the middle of a heavily forested area with a random house here and there....
Lots are selling for around 10K to 15K all around her, she could scarf one up and be legal to build her own dam berm or even get a variance from the county to build a berm on her existing lot own FAR cheaper than her court battle is costing.
She's a control freak bitch that has dropped her tits on the table to get her way all her life, she isn't use to being told NO to. Control issues out the ass, let alone her demanding of attention through her multiple social media postings of her partially clothed body.
She's an attention whore that don't like not getting her way, nothing more. She'll eat schit in court and complain until she drops...
Well then I'd say her neighbor should have bought a different piece of land so he could build a range that didn't have a house 200 feet directly behind the berm.
Bingo and my house isn't the only one 200 feet away the buy behind is just a little over 200 feet as well
Well then I'd say her neighbor should have bought a different piece of land so he could build a range that didn't have a house 200 feet directly behind the berm.
Why? He's legal...
Just because something is legal doesn't mean it should be done or that it's safe. There's no way I'd want to live 200' directly behind that berm.
You're in Florida, and did I correctly hear available for free lance work?
Perhaps she could use an expert opinion regarding the containment features of the range. If he's using steel does it have the proper negative attitude, is the hole deep enough, and the back wall material sufficiently soft and vertical to contain anything fired into it regardless of the size, rapidity, or nature of the load.
If as Misty alleges, it just a bare hole regularly subjected to an intense pounding by her neighbor and his friends, the impacts of time could causes changes in the material. In the press video, it appears to be build on sandy soil. Fresh virgin sand is an excellent bullet stop. It allows deep, consistent penetration regardless of load, hard fmj's, soft lead, or open tip loads which quickly expend their energy into the pliable backstop are all readily contained.
As Misty pointed out, problems can arise as this material becomes weathered and aged, and is subjected to hard use, It naturally looses it's pliability and other natural qualities that permit fresh materials to seamlessly absorb any impact without the risk of ricochets spilling over into neighboring area's. This potential could be exasperates, if, as Misty alleges, no additional barrier was placed as promised, there's no mound, and all brush was removed.
Brush removal isn't always a negative. A hot round in the wrong bush can lead to a real sticky situation. If an unwanted brush fire rages out of control it can seriously impact the entire community, and create legal consequences for everyone involved for a couple of decades. Although it can have it's benefits, not everyone likes the bare look. Some prefer selective grooming of natural growth. Of course this can require regular maintenance before use, which will cause some owners, especially those of high usage facilities to go with the minimalist approach of just a bare hole. The clean well defined lines of a new subterranean range can be very appealing to a new owner, but the ravages of time and hard use typically don't treat them well, and you can end up with just an ugly eyesore that nobody wants to see.
Fortunately there are specialist who can rejuvenate old ranges. One technique is lead remediation. The involves removal of the hardened external layer of the backstop that's taken the brunt of the hard use. For range that regularly receive fire form extremely large rifles that deliver very large diameter deep penetrating rounds, rejuvenation can be significantly more expensive, and require the removal of additional material. Not all ranges will support such efforts. It's common for ranges over used ranges, especially public ranges, and those on or near military bases to be permanently closed to prevent the spread of contaminates. Soldiers like to shoot their guns, and they have a lot of big guns, but if lead gets into the surrounding ground water, sometimes there's no choice. I don't see this as a real risk. It sounds like this range is just used by the owner and a few close friends.
As previously mentioned, there's several options available for barrier materials. Steel plates can significantly reduce the wear on the back wall. Personally I'm very careful when choosing steel. I only choose the thickest most resilient steel for reputable manufacturers. I have a very long barreled gun that provide me a significant advantage when stalking highly sought after elusive quarry. Unfortunately even with the highest quality materials, this can lead to shortened barrier life, and with cheap products, frequent unintended breakage. To mitigate this, some range owners like to use a secondary barrier of a spongy material such as wood. Railroad ties are a popular options. Some people like treated ties. Although they may last longer and the nature of some treatments such as creosote, and bind with and further inhibit the projectiles, I'm not a fan of the smell or discoloration and prefer bare wood. Unfortunately there is a limited life for most wood, and if the owner wants to use it past about 60 years, it's increasingly likely they will need some kind of chemical treatment. Sixty year old chemically treated wood is seldom as good as young wood, but it can still get the job done, and some range owners appreciate the character, and familiarity, especially if they've had the same wood for decades.
Misty also suggest turning the range around. Range orientation can be critical for everyone's enjoyment. Although I haven't seen a diagram, and it's hard to tell from the video, It sounds like it's currently facing Misty's backdoor, and concussion from the owner and his friends banging away with their big guns is a new, disconcerting experience for her. Regardless, the changes she's proposing can be very expensive, costing the shooter a significant amounts of time and money. He can't just abandon the existing range, but would have to hire lawyers and get permits and even go to court. Getting rid of a range is a long tedious process, and although the shooters might appreciate a new freshly dug hole, a range with the wrong orientation, just might not work for him. Most shooters are pretty traditional and not willing to give up a large portion of their assets so their friends can bang at their own backdoor but appreciate easy comfort and familiarity of a normally oriented range.
Misty, perhaps the greatest range professional on The Fire is Dave. He's the embodiment of professionalism, managed some of the hardest worked high volume ranges, and in his free time, enjoyed many of the finest facilities in this country has to offer. Although I've never seen it, I have it on good authority that Dave's equipment's on the highest quality. As a high volume rapid fire shooter he's skilled at diagnosing ranges prone to excessive noise levels. He can determine if excessive lead contamination exist. Typically this can be accomplish by probing the backstop with the fingers to get an idea of the overall soil conditions, and the nature of the particulates that cling to the fingers. In necessary he can refer samples to a nationally qualified lab. Dave has great contacts due to his years of range management.
I understand you may already have a consultant, but I'm certain Dave would be a huge upgrade for you. He might not be the easiest person to work with, but he never leaves a customer unsatisfied, and they always come back for repeat business.
Well then I'd say her neighbor should have bought a different piece of land so he could build a range that didn't have a house 200 feet directly behind the berm.
Why? He's legal...
According to the State Attorney letters he is not legal per zoning a recreational range for like hand guns is legal a sport shooting rifle range has regulations which he is not in guidance with ...again those facts are important SO he should've bought a land that was zoned Agriculture not Ag-Res and had more land and he would not have an issue..or at least had the common sense to have turned it towards his adjoining other Ag-Res lot that has no one or anything for several acres..but he chose to aim it in the one direction that is all residential
Misty, perhaps the greatest range professional on The Fire is Dave. He's the embodiment of professionalism, managed some of the hardest worked high volume ranges, and in his free time, enjoyed many of the finest facilities in this country has to offer. Although I've never seen it, I have it on good authority that Dave's equipment's on the highest quality. As a high volume rapid fire shooter he's skilled at diagnosing ranges prone to excessive noise levels. He can determine if excessive lead contamination exist. Typically this can be accomplish by probing the backstop with the fingers to get an idea of the overall soil conditions, and the nature of the particulates that cling to the fingers. In necessary he can refer samples to a nationally qualified lab. Dave has great contacts due to his years of range management.
I understand you may already have a consultant, but I'm certain Dave would be a huge upgrade for you. He might not be the easiest person to work with, but he never leaves a customer unsatisfied, and they always come back for repeat business.
Why would any one care if it passed anything but requirements for a Florida private range?
This bitch has built this up to make it sound as if she is in the middle of a suburban neighborhood.
Go do a Google Street view look at Pigeon Ave. Weeki Wachee, FL 34614 and cruise around the streets there and tell me what you see...
She's on a dirt road in the middle of a heavily forested area with a random house here and there....
Lots are selling for around 10K to 15K all around her, she could scarf one up and be legal to build her own dam berm or even get a variance from the county to build a berm on her existing lot own FAR cheaper than her court battle is costing.
She's a control freak bitch that has dropped her tits on the table to get her way all her life, she isn't use to being told NO to. Control issues out the ass, let alone her demanding of attention through her multiple social media postings of her partially clothed body.
She's an attention whore that don't like not getting her way, nothing more. She'll eat schit in court and complain until she drops...
Google maps is not up to date my dear, there are houses all over out here and they are all brand new homes we have had 3 homes go up at the end of our street alone in the past 6 months and they just cleared another lot, 6 houses on the road over just went in and 2 more lots just cleared, there are over 30 new houses out here so Google maps still shows dirt road so when you're going to throw stones make sure you have facts to back them my dear or this attention whore will bite back If you can also find lots out here for 10-15K please let me know the one across the street just sold for 27k and no I can't buy any lots beside me jackass because their all sold and have houses on them minus the one he is building on again make sure you post facts so you won't have to wipe that egg off your face ...so glad your showing your intelligence can't see past my breasts that explains why you have a hard time understanding facts vs theory
You might go back to elementary school and learn grammar and punctuation. Try "they're" instead of their, and form complete sentences. You know, ones with punctuation and caps.
There is a difference between a sport shooting/rifle range and a recreational range in Florida, there is a difference between safe and reckless. I just built my home why would or should I move when someone else is being reckless? Are you suggesting everyone out here move as well because of one guy who came in after everyone else? Typically when you build a range you see what is behind your target area, Although he admitted he never drove back here to look, he did admit he had no issue seeing our homes, maybe he should've researched his property prior to building and he shouldn't bought an Ag-Res lot he should've bought an agriculture lot that in FL does allow this, maybe since he didn't at least buy an Ag lot he should've at least aimed it in the opposite direction of the population out here ( logical thing to have done and several neighbors asked him to do that not just me ) for the record I didn't have to rally anyone, and he alienated himself from everyone out here not reverse, we gave him options before deciding to go legal he chose to tell the media he would not fire on this range till it was complete and he was going to all these BS things that he didn't do a single one of them and he stated himself in his article to Fox news it wasn't complete no one would be firing on it and well those were lies so when the homeowner himself makes a comment that "it's not finished or safe yet" and then goes against his own words and fires on the same range it's not bitching , that's logic that requires recourse for safety reasons , now if you want him as your neighbor drop me a cashiers check and he can be your dream neighbor
Criminy, where did this person go to school. Even in podunk, rural Idaho, we learned about periods, capitol letters, and paragraph breaks in fourth and fifth grade.
But, hey, all this commotion has earned her a bunch of hits on her photo links. Whatever good that does?
Google maps is not up to date my dear, at the end of our street alone in the past 6 months
Yeah Google maps shows that...
Originally Posted by md44815
there are over 30 new houses out here
"out here" what does that include? Everything west of 19?
Originally Posted by md44815
If you can also find lots out here for 10-15K please let me know
County site says you paid $12K....
As I said your view and Google maps is NOT updated each one of those blue lines has a home on it now, heck my house doesn't even show up on google maps as you can see, there' s no picture the blue R is his range aimed at all the house the Red arrow is how we suggested he turn his range because there is not one single house in that direction at all for several miles and acres..
Yes we paid for 12k for our lot back in 2017 my dear maybe you haven't noticed but the market has drastically gone up out here ( I thought you said you were into investments so you should know that ) we bought before everyone out here decided to build, we bought before he bought his lot in 2018 our house was already constructed, I always love when someone tries to argue with me what my neighbor hood looks like and what the values out here are when I live out here so I see the homes so I might just know a little more than what Google maps is showing and anyone who follows housing market might gather that when you are in a desired area ( which we are hence why all those homes have gone up out here the past year) the market will reflect lot prices to demand sigghhhh (they need an eye rolling emoji on here)
I even went back and expanded the view and added the county zoning map for you SO does that look like the most logical position to aim a range now that you have a full spectrum of the zoning and all the houses??
Google maps is not up to date my dear, at the end of our street alone in the past 6 months
Yeah Google maps shows that...
Originally Posted by md44815
there are over 30 new houses out here
"out here" what does that include? Everything west of 19?
Originally Posted by md44815
If you can also find lots out here for 10-15K please let me know
County site says you paid $12K....
As I said your view and Google maps is NOT updated each one of those blue lines has a home on it now, heck my house doesn't even show up on google maps as you can see, there' s no picture the blue R is his range aimed at all the house the Red arrow is how we suggested he turn his range because there is not one single house in that direction at all for several miles and acres..
Yes we paid for 12k for our lot back in 2017 my dear maybe you haven't noticed but the market has drastically gone up out here ( I thought you said you were into investments so you should know that ) we bought before everyone out here decided to build, we bought before he bought his lot in 2018 our house was already constructed, I always love when someone tries to argue with me what my neighbor hood looks like and what the values out here are when I live out here so I see the homes so I might just know a little more than what Google maps is showing and anyone who follows housing market might gather that when you are in a desired area ( which we are hence why all those homes have gone up out here the past year) the market will reflect lot prices to demand sigghhhh (they need an eye rolling emoji on here)
You are the one making positive claims.
You have the burden of proof. Everyone on this sight is completely justified in not believing a single claim you make until you provide sufficient evidence to support your claim.
Lets see some current pictures from the back of your house, toward the range. Based upon the map you showed, I have to qwonder if you can even see it from your house. Is that why we haven't seen any new pictures for you supporting you claim that there's no berm, because you don't have a clear line of sight?
Or, are you not even Misty, but just a sock-puppet pulling photo's and copy pasting rants from another website?
You're in Florida, and did I correctly hear available for free lance work?
Perhaps she could use an expert opinion regarding the containment features of the range. If he's using steel does it have the proper negative attitude, is the hole deep enough, and the back wall material sufficiently soft and vertical to contain anything fired into it regardless of the size, rapidity, or nature of the load.
If as Misty alleges, it just a bare hole regularly subjected to an intense pounding by her neighbor and his friends, the impacts of time could causes changes in the material. In the press video, it appears to be build on sandy soil. Fresh virgin sand is an excellent bullet stop. It allows deep, consistent penetration regardless of load, hard fmj's, soft lead, or open tip loads which quickly expend their energy into the pliable backstop are all readily contained.
As Misty pointed out, problems can arise as this material becomes weathered and aged, and is subjected to hard use, It naturally looses it's pliability and other natural qualities that permit fresh materials to seamlessly absorb any impact without the risk of ricochets spilling over into neighboring area's. This potential could be exasperates, if, as Misty alleges, no additional barrier was placed as promised, there's no mound, and all brush was removed.
Brush removal isn't always a negative. A hot round in the wrong bush can lead to a real sticky situation. If an unwanted brush fire rages out of control it can seriously impact the entire community, and create legal consequences for everyone involved for a couple of decades. Although it can have it's benefits, not everyone likes the bare look. Some prefer selective grooming of natural growth. Of course this can require regular maintenance before use, which will cause some owners, especially those of high usage facilities to go with the minimalist approach of just a bare hole. The clean well defined lines of a new subterranean range can be very appealing to a new owner, but the ravages of time and hard use typically don't treat them well, and you can end up with just an ugly eyesore that nobody wants to see.
Fortunately there are specialist who can rejuvenate old ranges. One technique is lead remediation. The involves removal of the hardened external layer of the backstop that's taken the brunt of the hard use. For range that regularly receive fire form extremely large rifles that deliver very large diameter deep penetrating rounds, rejuvenation can be significantly more expensive, and require the removal of additional material. Not all ranges will support such efforts. It's common for ranges over used ranges, especially public ranges, and those on or near military bases to be permanently closed to prevent the spread of contaminates. Soldiers like to shoot their guns, and they have a lot of big guns, but if lead gets into the surrounding ground water, sometimes there's no choice. I don't see this as a real risk. It sounds like this range is just used by the owner and a few close friends.
As previously mentioned, there's several options available for barrier materials. Steel plates can significantly reduce the wear on the back wall. Personally I'm very careful when choosing steel. I only choose the thickest most resilient steel for reputable manufacturers. I have a very long barreled gun that provide me a significant advantage when stalking highly sought after elusive quarry. Unfortunately even with the highest quality materials, this can lead to shortened barrier life, and with cheap products, frequent unintended breakage. To mitigate this, some range owners like to use a secondary barrier of a spongy material such as wood. Railroad ties are a popular options. Some people like treated ties. Although they may last longer and the nature of some treatments such as creosote, and bind with and further inhibit the projectiles, I'm not a fan of the smell or discoloration and prefer bare wood. Unfortunately there is a limited life for most wood, and if the owner wants to use it past about 60 years, it's increasingly likely they will need some kind of chemical treatment. Sixty year old chemically treated wood is seldom as good as young wood, but it can still get the job done, and some range owners appreciate the character, and familiarity, especially if they've had the same wood for decades.
Misty also suggest turning the range around. Range orientation can be critical for everyone's enjoyment. Although I haven't seen a diagram, and it's hard to tell from the video, It sounds like it's currently facing Misty's backdoor, and concussion from the owner and his friends banging away with their big guns is a new, disconcerting experience for her. Regardless, the changes she's proposing can be very expensive, costing the shooter a significant amounts of time and money. He can't just abandon the existing range, but would have to hire lawyers and get permits and even go to court. Getting rid of a range is a long tedious process, and although the shooters might appreciate a new freshly dug hole, a range with the wrong orientation, just might not work for him. Most shooters are pretty traditional and not willing to give up a large portion of their assets so their friends can bang at their own backdoor but appreciate easy comfort and familiarity of a normally oriented range.
Misty, perhaps the greatest range professional on The Fire is Dave. He's the embodiment of professionalism, managed some of the hardest worked high volume ranges, and in his free time, enjoyed many of the finest facilities in this country has to offer. Although I've never seen it, I have it on good authority that Dave's equipment's on the highest quality. As a high volume rapid fire shooter he's skilled at diagnosing ranges prone to excessive noise levels. He can determine if excessive lead contamination exist. Typically this can be accomplish by probing the backstop with the fingers to get an idea of the overall soil conditions, and the nature of the particulates that cling to the fingers. In necessary he can refer samples to a nationally qualified lab. Dave has great contacts due to his years of range management.
I understand you may already have a consultant, but I'm certain Dave would be a huge upgrade for you. He might not be the easiest person to work with, but he never leaves a customer unsatisfied, and they always come back for repeat business.
Google maps is not up to date my dear, at the end of our street alone in the past 6 months
Yeah Google maps shows that...
Originally Posted by md44815
there are over 30 new houses out here
"out here" what does that include? Everything west of 19?
Originally Posted by md44815
If you can also find lots out here for 10-15K please let me know
County site says you paid $12K....
As I said your view and Google maps is NOT updated each one of those blue lines has a home on it now, heck my house doesn't even show up on google maps as you can see, there' s no picture the blue R is his range aimed at all the house the Red arrow is how we suggested he turn his range because there is not one single house in that direction at all for several miles and acres..
Yes we paid for 12k for our lot back in 2017 my dear maybe you haven't noticed but the market has drastically gone up out here ( I thought you said you were into investments so you should know that ) we bought before everyone out here decided to build, we bought before he bought his lot in 2018 our house was already constructed, I always love when someone tries to argue with me what my neighbor hood looks like and what the values out here are when I live out here so I see the homes so I might just know a little more than what Google maps is showing and anyone who follows housing market might gather that when you are in a desired area ( which we are hence why all those homes have gone up out here the past year) the market will reflect lot prices to demand sigghhhh (they need an eye rolling emoji on here)
You are the one making positive claims.
You have the burden of proof. Everyone on this sight is completely justified in not believing a single claim you make until you provide sufficient evidence to support your claim.
Lets see some current pictures from the back of your house, toward the range. Based upon the map you showed, I have to qwonder if you can even see it from your house. Is that why we haven't seen any new pictures for you supporting you claim that there's no berm, because you don't have a clear line of sight?
Or, are you not even Misty, but just a sock-puppet pulling photo's and copy pasting rants from another website?
You can't see it from our back yard because there is nothing above ground to see... there's some Palmettos and a few pine trees then a big drop that's it nothing you can see from a pic from my back yard, I believe the news video had an aerial view it showed did it not? If not I will gladly post that pic that shows it but how can I show you a hole in the ground from my back yard 200 ft away?
Google maps is not up to date my dear, at the end of our street alone in the past 6 months
Yeah Google maps shows that...
Originally Posted by md44815
there are over 30 new houses out here
"out here" what does that include? Everything west of 19?
Originally Posted by md44815
If you can also find lots out here for 10-15K please let me know
County site says you paid $12K....
As I said your view and Google maps is NOT updated each one of those blue lines has a home on it now, heck my house doesn't even show up on google maps as you can see, there' s no picture the blue R is his range aimed at all the house the Red arrow is how we suggested he turn his range because there is not one single house in that direction at all for several miles and acres..
Yes we paid for 12k for our lot back in 2017 my dear maybe you haven't noticed but the market has drastically gone up out here ( I thought you said you were into investments so you should know that ) we bought before everyone out here decided to build, we bought before he bought his lot in 2018 our house was already constructed, I always love when someone tries to argue with me what my neighbor hood looks like and what the values out here are when I live out here so I see the homes so I might just know a little more than what Google maps is showing and anyone who follows housing market might gather that when you are in a desired area ( which we are hence why all those homes have gone up out here the past year) the market will reflect lot prices to demand sigghhhh (they need an eye rolling emoji on here)
You are the one making positive claims.
You have the burden of proof. Everyone on this sight is completely justified in not believing a single claim you make until you provide sufficient evidence to support your claim.
Lets see some current pictures from the back of your house, toward the range. Based upon the map you showed, I have to qwonder if you can even see it from your house. Is that why we haven't seen any new pictures for you supporting you claim that there's no berm, because you don't have a clear line of sight?
Or, are you not even Misty, but just a sock-puppet pulling photo's and copy pasting rants from another website?
You can't see it from our back yard because there is nothing above ground to see... there's some Palmettos and a few pine trees then a big drop that's it nothing you can see from a pic from my back yard, I believe the news video had an aerial view it showed did it not? If not I will gladly post that pic that shows it but how can I show you a hole in the ground from my back yard 200 ft away?
You've previously claimed, that contrary to the video, there's no berm.
In the above video, which anybody can pull off the internet, there's clearly a berm.
Google maps is not up to date my dear, at the end of our street alone in the past 6 months
Yeah Google maps shows that...
Originally Posted by md44815
there are over 30 new houses out here
"out here" what does that include? Everything west of 19?
Originally Posted by md44815
If you can also find lots out here for 10-15K please let me know
County site says you paid $12K....
As I said your view and Google maps is NOT updated each one of those blue lines has a home on it now, heck my house doesn't even show up on google maps as you can see, there' s no picture the blue R is his range aimed at all the house the Red arrow is how we suggested he turn his range because there is not one single house in that direction at all for several miles and acres..
Yes we paid for 12k for our lot back in 2017 my dear maybe you haven't noticed but the market has drastically gone up out here ( I thought you said you were into investments so you should know that ) we bought before everyone out here decided to build, we bought before he bought his lot in 2018 our house was already constructed, I always love when someone tries to argue with me what my neighbor hood looks like and what the values out here are when I live out here so I see the homes so I might just know a little more than what Google maps is showing and anyone who follows housing market might gather that when you are in a desired area ( which we are hence why all those homes have gone up out here the past year) the market will reflect lot prices to demand sigghhhh (they need an eye rolling emoji on here)
You are the one making positive claims.
You have the burden of proof. Everyone on this sight is completely justified in not believing a single claim you make until you provide sufficient evidence to support your claim.
Lets see some current pictures from the back of your house, toward the range. Based upon the map you showed, I have to qwonder if you can even see it from your house. Is that why we haven't seen any new pictures for you supporting you claim that there's no berm, because you don't have a clear line of sight?
Or, are you not even Misty, but just a sock-puppet pulling photo's and copy pasting rants from another website?
You can't see it from our back yard because there is nothing above ground to see... there's some Palmettos and a few pine trees then a big drop that's it nothing you can see from a pic from my back yard, I believe the news video had an aerial view it showed did it not? If not I will gladly post that pic that shows it but how can I show you a hole in the ground from my back yard 200 ft away?
You've previously claimed, that contrary to the video, there's no berm.
In the above video, which anybody can pull off the internet, there's clearly a berm.
No there is a hole in the ground there is no upper back stop at all 1:37 into the video you see the maybe being generous 2ft? of sane above ground... that is not a back stop there is nothing to stop ricochet, splatter or a stray if they aim above the hole , right about the same time in the same video you hear the news crew state the home owner said he was going to build a 45 ft wall above ground... there is no wall at all those were just lies to try to justify to the media... send me Dave's contact I'm happy to reach out to him, I guarantee you there is no range out there that has an NRA backing that has no upper berm or back stop on high caliber rifles and 50 BMG 200 ft from homes aimed in their direction . I have called over 100 ranges all over Florida for comparison as well as range design engineers and not a single one told me they would sign off on the liability of this range but I'm glad to consult with another
Some states in the Deep South will allow back yard "ranges" as long as there is a berm or back stop, and its at least 100 yards from a public road. Ironically, this also applies to hunting regulations near a public roadway.
As is becoming more apparent in our republic-one cannot purchase common sense at the hardware store.Do not try to understand liberals, they are a breed apart. Most have paid no dues in the society in which they live. They deserve no respect.
Real close combat in a combat zone, like near Khe Sanh in I -Corps is a remarkable experience to survive. "You have never lived until you have almost died, for those who have fought for it- life has a flavor the protected will never know or understand." MACVSOG-5th Special Forces Group(ABN) 1971-72
send me Dave's contact I'm happy to reach out to him.
Go ahead and send him a PM. I'm sure he will be happy to take he job. He's a true gentleman. Always happy to help a lady at a reasonable price.
He goes by deflave here on the forum. He is the one that said you had nice hair. Find his post, click on his name and click Private Message. He's an expert, local, and would be happy to help.
send me Dave's contact I'm happy to reach out to him.
Go ahead and send him a PM. I'm sure he will be happy to take he job. He's a true gentleman. Always happy to help a lady at a reasonable price.
What next?
You going to suggest she ask Kingston for Engineering help?
That's not a bad idea, I just don't know if Kingston's currently available for free lance work. If Misty decides to engage with Dave, it's best we wait for his report and see if either potential client may need his services, and if he's even available. As we all know, Kinston's good, but he's not cheap, so it's best Dave takes a look first.
I've been reading this post with interest, as you live in one of what I consider to be one of the most desirable spots in FL left to live. I've been in FL for 50 years, so I may know "a little" about that. One of my dear departed Dad's best friends lives not far away from you on a tributary off the river, across from the old fish camp, if you know where I mean. The names will remain nameless.
The way I see it, you can boil your problem down into 2 bullet points.
1. You live in one of the last red counties / holdouts of personal freedom that have a desirable mix of rural vs urban in Florida. 2. That makes it difficult to remove people's rights via new laws, or even litigation.
Note to you: Wish you hadn't started the references to your body, because you opened a pandora's box to criticism and humor at your expense. Please don't do that to yourself in front of a judge or a jury of your peers. The pushback from other jealous females alone would be enough to sink your initiative. Watched one of my ex-gf's make that same mistake from a close-up and personal distance and it ended up costing her dearly. It would be a silent attack, and you'd never be able to prove anything.
Personally, I wouldn't want a range like that behind my house, either. Especially, with disregard to the direction of fire and the condition of the berm. Many moons ago, I saw a friend have a fair bit of trouble for an errant round from a large caliber handgun ricocheting off a steel target and hitting someone much farther away than your house is from that neighbor's range.
On the + side for you, that range may never be completed now. It's kinda smelling that way.
All legalese aside, I wish you and your family the best of health.
send me Dave's contact I'm happy to reach out to him.
Go ahead and send him a PM. I'm sure he will be happy to take he job. He's a true gentleman. Always happy to help a lady at a reasonable price.
He goes by deflave here on the forum. He is the one that said you had nice hair. Find his post, click on his name and click Private Message. He's an expert, local, and would be happy to help.
send me Dave's contact I'm happy to reach out to him.
Go ahead and send him a PM. I'm sure he will be happy to take he job. He's a true gentleman. Always happy to help a lady at a reasonable price.
He goes by deflave here on the forum. He is the one that said you had nice hair. Find his post, click on his name and click Private Message. He's an expert, local, and would be happy to help.
Oh please! Quit fscking with her!
Who is messing around? Dave is local in FL, an expert, and cheaper than Kingston.
send me Dave's contact I'm happy to reach out to him.
Go ahead and send him a PM. I'm sure he will be happy to take he job. He's a true gentleman. Always happy to help a lady at a reasonable price.
He goes by deflave here on the forum. He is the one that said you had nice hair. Find his post, click on his name and click Private Message. He's an expert, local, and would be happy to help.
Oh please! Quit fscking with her!
Who is messing around? Dave is local in FL, an expert, and cheaper than Kingston.
I don't think Tyrone understands just how expensive Kingston really is. All those letters after his name add to the price.
I've been reading this post with interest, as you live in one of what I consider to be one of the most desirable spots in FL left to live. I've been in FL for 50 years, so I may know "a little" about that. One of my dear departed Dad's best friends lives not far away from you on a tributary off the river, across from the old fish camp, if you know where I mean. The names will remain nameless.
The way I see it, you can boil your problem down into 2 bullet points.
1. You live in one of the last red counties / holdouts of personal freedom that have a desirable mix of rural vs urban in Florida. 2. That makes it difficult to remove people's rights via new laws, or even litigation.
Note to you: Wish you hadn't started the references to your body, because you opened a pandora's box to criticism and humor at your expense. Please don't do that to yourself in front of a judge or a jury of your peers. The pushback from other jealous females alone would be enough to sink your initiative. Watched one of my ex-gf's make that same mistake from a close-up and personal distance and it ended up costing her dearly. It would be a silent attack, and you'd never be able to prove anything.
Personally, I wouldn't want a range like that behind my house, either. Especially, with disregard to the direction of fire and the condition of the berm. Many moons ago, I saw a friend have a fair bit of trouble for an errant round from a large caliber handgun ricocheting off a steel target and hitting someone much farther away than your house is from that neighbor's range.
On the + side for you, that range may never be completed now. It's kinda smelling that way.
All legalese aside, I wish you and your family the best of health.
Thanks truly appreciate your feedback and wish you the best.
It is not our intent to shut down private ranges either I wish people could read that portion, if you're a local, then you know we hear shots every night out here and you rarely hear a complaint from anyone out here. There is a guy over one block that is AG shoot nightly and it's like 2nd nature you don't even blink at it anymore but he did his safely, he is on AG zoning he aimed it away from everyone and our guy did the total opposite and aimed his at everyone. A few homes asked him to just turn it and he just didn't want to do that because he felt he could only go 75 yards then rather than 100 yds so then we said well reverse it and aim it at your home the distance would still be 100 yards, nope didn't want to do that either. Had he turned it, most the folks I have met out here are super nice and all greeted us, we probably would've skipped the typical wine basket welcome and sent an ammo and target sheet basket and shot with him.
I do you think you may be correct as well as far as completion of it between the litigation coming as well as he has a mortgage on the home and the bank isn't going to like that liability we were told. I'm not sure how he planned to get past final inspection without them noticing. No home owner's insurance is going to want to pick this up with a litigation against it, especially multi- family litigation. Have a happy Memorial Day weekend
This is about some internet troll (guy), that's been gaming you since page one. Some ppl have nothing better to do. The pictures posted were stolen from some bimbo's webpage, (that was probably created by the same dude.)
Misty: Why don't you go over to the Trayvon Martin II discussion and see if you can straighten it out. Warning, you have over 2000 posts to read to get up to speed. It concerns that "jogger" that got shot.
Was there mention of bush removal? Yes, I am sure there was.
Bristoe has recently become the resident expert in this regard. From rough cut twisted looking growth to the longest straightest cane patch. Bristoe is the man. He can get it under control.
If his equipment is not up to the task, he knows where to find custom operators. Kentucky's not that far away.
Kingston can post up a link for "Misty"with in depth expansive info for "her". I suggest the work from his Jurrasic Park project. The woman in that one had to be made aware of stuff also.
I think the consensus is that Misty is now realizing the futility of presenting her case to the 'Fire.
Judging from the video in the op, misty is gonna keep posting until we're all standing behind her staring at the ground.
Misty should come to the next Campfire gathering. It would be a great opportunity for her to network with the elite shooting community and gain additional perspective regarding her range problems. She could hand our business cards and rate sheets. We've already established she likes handling guns, so perhaps she'd like to works gun related events.
Misty,
What do you think?
Should be send you an invite for our next South East Gathering?
If as Misty alleges, it just a bare hole regularly subjected to an intense pounding by her neighbor and his friends, the impacts of time could causes changes in the material.
Kingston can post up a link for "Misty"with in depth expansive info for "her".
In this area we have a lot of issues with clay impregnated sand. It creates a lot of issues around expansion, hardening, and compression, all which can negatively impact a backstop. The sooner either Dave (local cheaper) has the opportunity the examine that backstop the better.
I like Kingston's work, but gee, with just my one PHD, I feel so like such an under achiever....and of course, that's reflected in his price.
However, every range I've shot on or had inner-workings with, required a stamp of approval. When dealing with a range such as this one, it would appear that is not the case.
If somebody is going to claim something is dangerous they should focus on proving that. Audio of ricochet and stray rounds should be pretty easy to get if you wanted to go through the trouble. Or finding projectiles near the house or on neighboring property.
However, every range I've shot on or had inner-workings with, required a stamp of approval. When dealing with a range such as this one, it would appear that is not the case.
If somebody is going to claim something is dangerous they should focus on proving that. Audio of ricochet and stray rounds should be pretty easy to get if you wanted to go through the trouble. Or finding projectiles near the house or on neighboring property.
Seriously, why didn't "Misty" and all her concerned friends take their money and offer to purchase 300 feet of 72 inch corrugated steel pipe? Maybe a "Go Fund Me Page" to promote public safety.
Then the neighbor could have a full underground range. At $100/ft it would probably have been cheaper than the lawyer fees. The entire facility would have been 100% contained and safe and quieter than all those "other" neighborhood ranges.
But, no. They have to try and shut him down entirely.
However, every range I've shot on or had inner-workings with, required a stamp of approval. When dealing with a range such as this one, it would appear that is not the case.
If somebody is going to claim something is dangerous they should focus on proving that. Audio of ricochet and stray rounds should be pretty easy to get if you wanted to go through the trouble. Or finding projectiles near the house or on neighboring property.
There isn't anyone here that would want a 50 BMG randomly fired in their direction at less than the length of two football fields, pit or not. Claim you would want or be OK with that all you want but like the mask our gooberner wore at his news conference today it's BS
If you are going to continue with this endeavor it would behoove you and others to learn that there is more to the lethality of small arms fire than berm size, chamberings, and designated targets.
This is not all encompassing but people should start to get the idea.
However, every range I've shot on or had inner-workings with, required a stamp of approval. When dealing with a range such as this one, it would appear that is not the case.
If somebody is going to claim something is dangerous they should focus on proving that. Audio of ricochet and stray rounds should be pretty easy to get if you wanted to go through the trouble. Or finding projectiles near the house or on neighboring property.
Dave,
I'm sure Misty could get you the appropriate approvals if she wanted to. It might involve her lawyer, and dispensing with her current consultant in order for you to gain permission to enter, but I'm sure one you were in she would agree it was well worth the effort.
Misty,
No offense, but way too many women just don't know how to pick a great consultant, the kind who actually know how to lead, and change your life. You really should PM him. He's just trying to be modest tonight.
This is about some internet troll (guy), that's been gaming you since page one. Some ppl have nothing better to do. The pictures posted were stolen from some bimbo's webpage, (that was probably created by the same dude.)
Then how come the OP was JeffA and how come Misty was originally identified in a video from the local TV station that JeffA posted?
I'd like to note that I believe all women, even the crazy ones (not that I'm sure Misty is crazy, but most women are).
Misty, I'd also like to offer my services as a lawyer skilled in mediating disputes between neighbors. You may know some of my work, like the border dispute between the Ukraine and Russia (I represented Crimea) and the Branch Davidian compound (I advised Janet Reno). All I ask in exchange for my services is a discount on your hourly rates.
Just curious but why would anyone hire deFlave? About the only expertise I've seen him demonstrate in the last few years is drinking liquids out of milk cartons and misspelling lots of cuss words.
And if I'm wrong, and for some reason he is an expert on target backstops, why would the state or local authorities pay any attention to anything he says?
Just curious but why would anyone hire deFlave? About the only expertise I've seen him demonstrate in the last few years is drinking liquids out of milk cartons and misspelling lots of cuss words.
And if I'm wrong, and for some reason he is an expert on target backstops, why would the state or local authorities pay any attention to anything he says?
Indy,
I explained it all in my long post above. Please read it a little more closely.
I'll repost it for your convience:
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by deflave
She seems like a nice woman from what I've seen.
You're in Florida, and did I correctly hear available for free lance work?
Perhaps she could use an expert opinion regarding the containment features of the range. If he's using steel does it have the proper negative attitude, is the hole deep enough, and the back wall material sufficiently soft and vertical to contain anything fired into it regardless of the size, rapidity, or nature of the load.
If as Misty alleges, it just a bare hole regularly subjected to an intense pounding by her neighbor and his friends, the impacts of time could causes changes in the material. In the press video, it appears to be build on sandy soil. Fresh virgin sand is an excellent bullet stop. It allows deep, consistent penetration regardless of load, hard fmj's, soft lead, or open tip loads which quickly expend their energy into the pliable backstop are all readily contained.
As Misty pointed out, problems can arise as this material becomes weathered and aged, and is subjected to hard use, It naturally looses it's pliability and other natural qualities that permit fresh materials to seamlessly absorb any impact without the risk of ricochets spilling over into neighboring area's. This potential could be exasperates, if, as Misty alleges, no additional barrier was placed as promised, there's no mound, and all brush was removed.
Brush removal isn't always a negative. A hot round in the wrong bush can lead to a real sticky situation. If an unwanted brush fire rages out of control it can seriously impact the entire community, and create legal consequences for everyone involved for a couple of decades. Although it can have it's benefits, not everyone likes the bare look. Some prefer selective grooming of natural growth. Of course this can require regular maintenance before use, which will cause some owners, especially those of high usage facilities to go with the minimalist approach of just a bare hole. The clean well defined lines of a new subterranean range can be very appealing to a new owner, but the ravages of time and hard use typically don't treat them well, and you can end up with just an ugly eyesore that nobody wants to see.
Fortunately there are specialist who can rejuvenate old ranges. One technique is lead remediation. The involves removal of the hardened external layer of the backstop that's taken the brunt of the hard use. For range that regularly receive fire form extremely large rifles that deliver very large diameter deep penetrating rounds, rejuvenation can be significantly more expensive, and require the removal of additional material. Not all ranges will support such efforts. It's common for ranges over used ranges, especially public ranges, and those on or near military bases to be permanently closed to prevent the spread of contaminates. Soldiers like to shoot their guns, and they have a lot of big guns, but if lead gets into the surrounding ground water, sometimes there's no choice. I don't see this as a real risk. It sounds like this range is just used by the owner and a few close friends.
As previously mentioned, there's several options available for barrier materials. Steel plates can significantly reduce the wear on the back wall. Personally I'm very careful when choosing steel. I only choose the thickest most resilient steel for reputable manufacturers. I have a very long barreled gun that provide me a significant advantage when stalking highly sought after elusive quarry. Unfortunately even with the highest quality materials, this can lead to shortened barrier life, and with cheap products, frequent unintended breakage. To mitigate this, some range owners like to use a secondary barrier of a spongy material such as wood. Railroad ties are a popular options. Some people like treated ties. Although they may last longer and the nature of some treatments such as creosote, and bind with and further inhibit the projectiles, I'm not a fan of the smell or discoloration and prefer bare wood. Unfortunately there is a limited life for most wood, and if the owner wants to use it past about 60 years, it's increasingly likely they will need some kind of chemical treatment. Sixty year old chemically treated wood is seldom as good as young wood, but it can still get the job done, and some range owners appreciate the character, and familiarity, especially if they've had the same wood for decades.
Misty also suggest turning the range around. Range orientation can be critical for everyone's enjoyment. Although I haven't seen a diagram, and it's hard to tell from the video, It sounds like it's currently facing Misty's backdoor, and concussion from the owner and his friends banging away with their big guns is a new, disconcerting experience for her. Regardless, the changes she's proposing can be very expensive, costing the shooter a significant amounts of time and money. He can't just abandon the existing range, but would have to hire lawyers and get permits and even go to court. Getting rid of a range is a long tedious process, and although the shooters might appreciate a new freshly dug hole, a range with the wrong orientation, just might not work for him. Most shooters are pretty traditional and not willing to give up a large portion of their assets so their friends can bang at their own backdoor but appreciate easy comfort and familiarity of a normally oriented range.
Misty, perhaps the greatest range professional on The Fire is Dave. He's the embodiment of professionalism, managed some of the hardest worked high volume ranges, and in his free time, enjoyed many of the finest facilities in this country has to offer. Although I've never seen it, I have it on good authority that Dave's equipment's on the highest quality. As a high volume rapid fire shooter he's skilled at diagnosing ranges prone to excessive noise levels. He can determine if excessive lead contamination exist. Typically this can be accomplish by probing the backstop with the fingers to get an idea of the overall soil conditions, and the nature of the particulates that cling to the fingers. In necessary he can refer samples to a nationally qualified lab. Dave has great contacts due to his years of range management.
I understand you may already have a consultant, but I'm certain Dave would be a huge upgrade for you. He might not be the easiest person to work with, but he never leaves a customer unsatisfied, and they always come back for repeat business.
I too once had a property that became compromised by a neighboring property owner. Mine was also a noise issue but no flying bullets.
There was a commercial property between me and a very busy stretch of US 41 just north of Naples. A nursery took over the commercial property shortly after I'd purchased my land/home, they were operating heavy equipment starting at about 5am every morning loading trees on trucks that were heading out to their jobs for the day.
The road noise from 41 was bad enough but the heavy equipment just ran the noise level over the top.
The nursery operators were in violation of the local noise ordinance by starting about an hour earlier than allowed. I gave some serious thought to how to resolve the issue.
I decided to build a berm for sound proofing my property, the nursery owners even assisted with some equipment help, they allowed me to encroach on their property line with my berm, they even threw me some plants to help landscape the berm when I had it finished.
I've found that working with my neighbors can really pay off in the long run.
As I see it's been mentioned in this thread of the possibility of you getting a variance from the county considering the uniqueness of your situation for them to allow you to build a berm.
Have you attempted that?
Maybe your neighbor would allow you to build a berm on his side of the line if you can mend the relationship and try and work together on this for resolve...
Take a look at what a sound proofing berm can be if you use some creativeness.
You might not need a pond but a berm could enhance your home by a long ways if you are willing to accept some responsibility in reaching a conclusion on this that everyone can walk away happy with.
I also see your home is behind the neighbors shooting range but you really aren't in the direct line of fire you try to make people believe you are.
These images were taken February 4th 2020
Close to right behind but no cigar...
Looks like a nice clean job..
Looks like he damn near might have the 40 or 45 feet he promised.. Something on top of that is casting a shadow, looks bermish to me
Pretty nice pad he is building over there, appears there might be room for 8 or 10 cars to park inside. The neighbor must have some resources to be able to afford such a sweet home. He's probably had his battles in the past too, always somebody wanting to come after you if they think you have more than they do...
You should really take a long deep breath and think about a happy ended for all.
You're in Florida, and did I correctly hear available for free lance work?
Perhaps she could use an expert opinion regarding the containment features of the range. If he's using steel does it have the proper negative attitude, is the hole deep enough, and the back wall material sufficiently soft and vertical to contain anything fired into it regardless of the size, rapidity, or nature of the load.
If as Misty alleges, it just a bare hole regularly subjected to an intense pounding by her neighbor and his friends, the impacts of time could causes changes in the material. In the press video, it appears to be build on sandy soil. Fresh virgin sand is an excellent bullet stop. It allows deep, consistent penetration regardless of load, hard fmj's, soft lead, or open tip loads which quickly expend their energy into the pliable backstop are all readily contained.
As Misty pointed out, problems can arise as this material becomes weathered and aged, and is subjected to hard use, It naturally looses it's pliability and other natural qualities that permit fresh materials to seamlessly absorb any impact without the risk of ricochets spilling over into neighboring area's. This potential could be exasperates, if, as Misty alleges, no additional barrier was placed as promised, there's no mound, and all brush was removed.
Brush removal isn't always a negative. A hot round in the wrong bush can lead to a real sticky situation. If an unwanted brush fire rages out of control it can seriously impact the entire community, and create legal consequences for everyone involved for a couple of decades. Although it can have it's benefits, not everyone likes the bare look. Some prefer selective grooming of natural growth. Of course this can require regular maintenance before use, which will cause some owners, especially those of high usage facilities to go with the minimalist approach of just a bare hole. The clean well defined lines of a new subterranean range can be very appealing to a new owner, but the ravages of time and hard use typically don't treat them well, and you can end up with just an ugly eyesore that nobody wants to see.
Fortunately there are specialist who can rejuvenate old ranges. One technique is lead remediation. The involves removal of the hardened external layer of the backstop that's taken the brunt of the hard use. For range that regularly receive fire form extremely large rifles that deliver very large diameter deep penetrating rounds, rejuvenation can be significantly more expensive, and require the removal of additional material. Not all ranges will support such efforts. It's common for ranges over used ranges, especially public ranges, and those on or near military bases to be permanently closed to prevent the spread of contaminates. Soldiers like to shoot their guns, and they have a lot of big guns, but if lead gets into the surrounding ground water, sometimes there's no choice. I don't see this as a real risk. It sounds like this range is just used by the owner and a few close friends.
As previously mentioned, there's several options available for barrier materials. Steel plates can significantly reduce the wear on the back wall. Personally I'm very careful when choosing steel. I only choose the thickest most resilient steel for reputable manufacturers. I have a very long barreled gun that provide me a significant advantage when stalking highly sought after elusive quarry. Unfortunately even with the highest quality materials, this can lead to shortened barrier life, and with cheap products, frequent unintended breakage. To mitigate this, some range owners like to use a secondary barrier of a spongy material such as wood. Railroad ties are a popular options. Some people like treated ties. Although they may last longer and the nature of some treatments such as creosote, and bind with and further inhibit the projectiles, I'm not a fan of the smell or discoloration and prefer bare wood. Unfortunately there is a limited life for most wood, and if the owner wants to use it past about 60 years, it's increasingly likely they will need some kind of chemical treatment. Sixty year old chemically treated wood is seldom as good as young wood, but it can still get the job done, and some range owners appreciate the character, and familiarity, especially if they've had the same wood for decades.
Misty also suggest turning the range around. Range orientation can be critical for everyone's enjoyment. Although I haven't seen a diagram, and it's hard to tell from the video, It sounds like it's currently facing Misty's backdoor, and concussion from the owner and his friends banging away with their big guns is a new, disconcerting experience for her. Regardless, the changes she's proposing can be very expensive, costing the shooter a significant amounts of time and money. He can't just abandon the existing range, but would have to hire lawyers and get permits and even go to court. Getting rid of a range is a long tedious process, and although the shooters might appreciate a new freshly dug hole, a range with the wrong orientation, just might not work for him. Most shooters are pretty traditional and not willing to give up a large portion of their assets so their friends can bang at their own backdoor but appreciate easy comfort and familiarity of a normally oriented range.
Misty, perhaps the greatest range professional on The Fire is Dave. He's the embodiment of professionalism, managed some of the hardest worked high volume ranges, and in his free time, enjoyed many of the finest facilities in this country has to offer. Although I've never seen it, I have it on good authority that Dave's equipment's on the highest quality. As a high volume rapid fire shooter he's skilled at diagnosing ranges prone to excessive noise levels. He can determine if excessive lead contamination exist. Typically this can be accomplish by probing the backstop with the fingers to get an idea of the overall soil conditions, and the nature of the particulates that cling to the fingers. In necessary he can refer samples to a nationally qualified lab. Dave has great contacts due to his years of range management.
I understand you may already have a consultant, but I'm certain Dave would be a huge upgrade for you. He might not be the easiest person to work with, but he never leaves a customer unsatisfied, and they always come back for repeat business.
This is about some internet troll (guy), that's been gaming you since page one. Some ppl have nothing better to do. The pictures posted were stolen from some bimbo's webpage, (that was probably created by the same dude.)
Then how come the OP was JeffA and how come Misty was originally identified in a video from the local TV station that JeffA posted?
Duh!
You are correct, names, faces and all from the news interview. She's a live wire that has stumbled across the thread due to this site being so searchable via google...
Just curious but why would anyone hire deFlave? About the only expertise I've seen him demonstrate in the last few years is drinking liquids out of milk cartons and misspelling lots of cuss words.
And if I'm wrong, and for some reason he is an expert on target backstops, why would the state or local authorities pay any attention to anything he says?
Indy,
The internet can be, and is an amazing resource.
Dumb fugks like you simply take yourself too seriously to realize its full potential.
I too once had a property that became compromised by a neighboring property owner. Mine was also a noise issue but no flying bullets.
There was a commercial property between me and a very busy stretch of US 41 just north of Naples. A nursery took over the commercial property shortly after I'd purchased my land/home, they were operating heavy equipment starting at about 5am every morning loading trees on trucks that were heading out to their jobs for the day.
The road noise from 41 was bad enough but the heavy equipment just ran the noise level over the top.
The nursery operators were in violation of the local noise ordinance by starting about an hour earlier than allowed. I gave some serious thought to how to resolve the issue.
I decided to build a berm for sound proofing my property, the nursery owners even assisted with some equipment help, they allowed me to encroach on their property line with my berm, they even threw me some plants to help landscape the berm when I had it finished.
I've found that working with my neighbors can really pay off in the long run.
As I see it's been mentioned in this thread of the possibility of you getting a variance from the county considering the uniqueness of your situation for them to allow you to build a berm.
Have you attempted that?
Maybe your neighbor would allow you to build a berm on his side of the line if you can mend the relationship and try and work together on this for resolve...
Take a look at what a sound proofing berm can be if you use some creativeness.
You might not need a pond but a berm could enhance your home by a long ways if you are willing to accept some responsibility in reaching a conclusion on this that everyone can walk away happy with.
I also see your home is behind the neighbors shooting range but you really aren't in the direct line of fire you try to make people believe you are.
These images were taken February 4th 2020
Close to right behind but no cigar...
Looks like a nice clean job..
Looks like he damn near might have the 40 or 45 feet he promised.. Something on top of that is casting a shadow, looks bermish to me
Pretty nice pad he is building over there, appears there might be room for 8 or 10 cars to park inside. The neighbor must have some resources to be able to afford such a sweet home. He's probably had his battles in the past too, always somebody wanting to come after you if they think you have more than they do...
You should really take a long deep breath and think about a happy ended for all.
I believe Big Stick coined the phrase "reality ain't for everybody."
Just curious but why would anyone hire deFlave? About the only expertise I've seen him demonstrate in the last few years is drinking liquids out of milk cartons and misspelling lots of cuss words.
And if I'm wrong, and for some reason he is an expert on target backstops, why would the state or local authorities pay any attention to anything he says?
Indy,
The internet can be, and is an amazing resource.
Dumb fugks like you simply take yourself too seriously to realize its full potential.
Seriously, why didn't "Misty" and all her concerned friends take their money and offer to purchase 300 feet of 72 inch corrugated steel pipe? Maybe a "Go Fund Me Page" to promote public safety.
Then the neighbor could have a full underground range. At $100/ft it would probably have been cheaper than the lawyer fees. The entire facility would have been 100% contained and safe and quieter than all those "other" neighborhood ranges.
But, no. They have to try and shut him down entirely.
Judging from the video in the op, misty is gonna keep posting until we're all standing behind her staring at the ground.
This has already happened to my amazement. All it took to gain sympathy on this geezer infested forum is to be white female, passable looks, questionably blonde and buxom, under 55 years old maybe. If Ahmaud Arbery's twin would have come here with the same complaint not much sympathy would have been forthcoming. Around here it pays to be a girl. Chivalry is not dead on the 24HCF.
It looks like the man is building a fine home, I just don;t understand why he didn't scratch on a bath or two and buy a couple acres of land to avoid these idiots.
If these guys bought more land he could drink beer and piss where ever he wanted to, here's a hint buy more land . !
WTF does her looks have to do with her neighbor being a azzhole?
Has a lot to do with the sympathy from a bunch of old men who would normally support a shooting range or at least be neutral. I don't feel moved to help her. Not my type. And I'm sure not hers.
WTF does her looks have to do with her neighbor being a azzhole?
Has a lot to do with the sympathy from a bunch of old men who would normally support a shooting range or at least be neutral. I don't feel moved to help her. Not my type. And I'm sure not hers.
I don't care much for her either, and that had nothing to do with it
It looks like the man is building a fine home, I just don;t understand why he didn't scratch on a bath or two and buy a couple acres of land to avoid these idiots.
If these guys bought more land he could drink beer and piss where ever he wanted to, here's a hint buy more land . !
He is sitting on five one acre lots according to his counties website, of course Misty calls it 2.5 acres and her math is probably far superior to their county property appraisers.
I'm thinking she is wringing the last little bit of attention she can muster from the internet with posting here on the fire....
The news stories from last fall didn't lean in her favor then and doubtfully with her antics will that ever change.
Bay News 9 WEEKI WACHEE, Fla. PUBLISHED 4:34 PM NOV. 22, 2019 The property owner asked not to be identified, but said he told his neighbors owns a range of firearms from .22 to .50 caliber that shoot a variety of bullets. He said he made sure when buying the rural property that he would be able to shoot guns on it and that safety is his top priority in building the range.
According to him, a backstop has been built that's currently 18 feet tall. He said he plans to apply for an engineering permit to continue adding onto it, and that the backstop will ultimately be 40-45 feet tall..............................................
"If it was a small handgun, I'd be more comfortable with that. I still wouldn't enjoy it or like it that it's so close," said neighbor Julia Kiser. Kiser said neighbors have spoken with State Rep. Blaise Ingoglia about the issue, as well as the sheriff's office. They've been told that there's nothing that can be done since the owner isn't in violation of laws or codes. Misty Cintron said about 240 feet of woods separated the range from her home.
A Hernando County Sheriff's Office report dated Oct. 30 states that the backstop met and exceeded safety requirements based on the condition of the range at the time. It also noted that the owner appeared to be following the state law that addresses recreational shooting in a residential area.
Hernando County Code Enforcement said the owner wasn't in violation as far as land use. "No crime has happened, no law has been broken.
[no sorry to disappoint but that's me and I think I'm all right for mid 40s if you want to share how kind the years have been to you please feel free to share with the class
I approve of this photo...your neighbor is a moron and is doing more to damage 2nd a rights, needs a azz kickin.. is his name Chris...? Sounds like a nutty chiropractor from Fairbanks
Nope, nope, nope...not at all. It's know nothing voters such as you johnn that are a threat to our 2nd amendment rights.
Her neighbor has built a safe quality range that has been approved by every legal entity that has inspected it and he isn't even done with it yet.
I put much more faith into the opinion of the non-bias ones that have been inspecting it than I do this squawky little has been twit that is ranting all over the internet while flashing her tits and ass to attract attention to herself.
This guys range appears to be much safer than your average neighborhood street with big scary cars driving around on it.
So many just can't seem to look beyond this broads tits before they jump to a half baked conclusion on her neighbors shooting range...
Nope, nope, nope...not at all. It's know nothing voters such as you johnn that are a threat to our 2nd amendment rights.
Her neighbor has built a safe quality range that has been approved by every legal entity that has inspected it and he isn't even done with it yet.
I put much more faith into the opinion of the non-bias ones that have been inspecting it than I do this squawky little has been twit that is ranting all over the internet while flashing her tits and ass to attract attention to herself.
This guys range appears to be much safer than your average neighborhood street with big scary cars driving around on it.
So many just can't seem to look beyond this broads tits before they jump to a half baked conclusion on her neighbors shooting range...
I agree with John it's guys like this that make us other responsible gun owners and shooters get bad publicity that have all the liberals screaming to take away our guns.
As far as my pictures, hello I'm a swimwear model which has nothing to do with this range but has to do with how little you can focus since all you want to do is stalk my personal life as well, those with higher IQ's have had no problem sticking to the relative points here... Funny how you don't comment any of the pictures of me shooting on my personal pages because there are plenty of those pictures that all pre-date his range being built but it's crickets on those pictures...
Furthermore there is no one inspecting his range read FL law buddy, you got an acre then you're good, several counties have open suits against this state for the loosely written law there are no parameters, then do yourself another solid and read how many deaths there are in FL from stray bullets..
SO at the end of the day when you are willing to go post a video of YOURSELF standing 200 FEET down range at the end of a 50 BMG and fully automatic being fired in your direction with NO upper berm or backstop above ground, then and only then will I actually have respect for your opinion because anything else makes YOU the one squawking there pal It's easy to hide behind a keyboard and say there is nothing wrong with this when you're not the one down range and your family is not the ones at risk so we look forward to your video but I have a feeling it will be real chilly before we ever see it you keyboard warrior
[no sorry to disappoint but that's me and I think I'm all right for mid 40s if you want to share how kind the years have been to you please feel free to share with the class
I approve of this photo...your neighbor is a moron and is doing more to damage 2nd a rights, needs a azz kickin.. is his name Chris...? Sounds like a nutty chiropractor from Fairbanks
Thanks Johnn couldn't agree with you more His name is also John and he is a contractor building his own house there
my question is why did he point that range like that ? he could have paralleled his property line and then it would not be pointed at that house ?
Exactly and people need to understand we ( several homes out here ) asked him to turn it parallel away from the homes and we would not have had an issue with it and when you pull up our county maps, had he turned it sideways there are several acres of no homes at all, would have been the safest best and choice.
This was never about not wanting him to be able to have a range, there are several private ranges out here by us and no one is suing those guys, none of us complain about those guys, this is about he is aimed in the direction of all the homes and he is shooting fully automatic and 50 BMG without suppressors and he has no above ground back stop at all. He has a hole in the ground he dug out and that is it. He also told the news crew no one would be shooting on this at all till he had another 45 ft above ground back stop and he has been out there shooting and letting his friend shoot on it as well ( again we have no problem with people sharing their ranges either) but this particular friend boast about how he had his son ( under age of 6 ) sitting on his lap while shooting the 50 BMG , now how many things could have gone wrong with that picture?
I believe it's the noise. I wouldn't like it either but welcome to rural living in the south. My neighbors are fussy about even 5 or 6 shots a day. I understand but I still shoot. Been here 50 years now. BMG fire would be a distraction (to say the least) while having a garden party but it is the country.
I believe it's the noise. I wouldn't like it either but welcome to rural living in the south. My neighbors are fussy about even 5 or 6 shots a day. I understand but I still shoot. Been here 50 years now. BMG fire would be a distraction (to say the least) while having a garden party but it is the country.
The noise is an issue for sure but we have people shoot out here nightly at other homes, those don't bother anyone out here but yes 50 BMG literally makes our ears ring for days to the point I have had to start seeing a ENT Dr.
The main issue is safety on this one though and we are not county we are less than acre lots, average lot out here is .25 -.50 acre he is on the outskirts up against the residential neighborhood, he should have bought an agriculture lot not butted up against a neighborhood for what he wants to do. There is a guy out here on agriculture who shoots tannerite no one bothers him at all, he is far enough away and it isn't aimed at anyone, this guy chose to point his range in the one and only direction on his property that is aimed at all the homes, the blue arrow is his range the blue lines are all the homes out here and then of course anything that has a pic of house on lot there is a home as well. So you can see had he turned it to the right there would've been nothing in his way at all..
Furthermore there is no one inspecting his range read FL law buddy,
It has been inspected BITCH.
In every news story posted on line that you have instigated it's said that local LEO have inspected it and find it to exceed anything required for safety and he isn't even done with it yet.
Your continued lies and BS online isn't going to change state law, waste all the time and money you want,
YOU SWEET CHEEKS, DON'T HAVE A VALID CASE!
Again, I'll ask, have you even bothered to look up how many times this law has been challenged? It fails every time, nobody and I mean nobody sees you or or situation any different.
I'm sure that is a shock to a sleazy broad like you who surrounds herself with yes people to continually inflate her opinion of herself...
Next go round, buy intercity or in a hood where bylaws and covenants allow you to dictate your neighbors every move....
The main issue is safety on this one though and we are not county we are less than acre lots, average lot out here is .25 -.50 acre he is on the outskirts up against the residential neighborhood, he should have bought an agriculture lot not butted up against a neighborhood for what he wants to do.
There ya go lying again, YOU are on a tiny cheap azzed lot, your neighbor is on 5 acres that was intended for what he is using it for.
It's YOU that wanted the end of the road lot butted up against his property and now YOU want to change his rights to match YOURS....
My friend in New Zealand can buy suppressors over the counter- - - -no "Mommy May I" to the government or ridiculous license fees. However, when he shoots his non-suppressed rifles at his range, he has a mega-muffler- - - -about a dozen big truck tires bolted together on an angle iron rack just ahead of his shooting bench. With the muzzle of the rifle stuck into the hole in the middle a few inches, the sound gets moderated down to a muffled POP, and the neighbors are barely aware that he's shooting at all. With a 20" diameter hole to shoot through there's no problem seeing downrange.
Our soft porn bimbo could suggest something like that, and even split the cost of making it for a lot less than creating inflation in the legal beagle world! Not likely to happen, as she's getting her jollies from being a whiny beeotch and stirring the pot here on the fire! Jerry
Furthermore there is no one inspecting his range read FL law buddy,
It has been inspected BITCH.
In every news story posted on line that you have instigated it's said that local LEO have inspected it and find it to exceed anything required for safety and he isn't even done with it yet.
Your continued lies and BS online isn't going to change state law, waste all the time and money you want,
YOU SWEET CHEEKS, DON'T HAVE A VALID CASE!
Again, I'll ask, have you even bothered to look up how many times this law has been challenged? It fails every time, nobody and I mean nobody sees you or or situation any different.
I'm sure that is a shock to a sleazy broad like you who surround herself with yes people to continually inflate her opinion of herself...
Next go round, buy intercity or in a hood where bylaws and covenants allow you to dictate your neighbors every move....
Totally classy reply there my keyboard warrior
Still waiting on your video to validate your case.... crickets......
LEO's are not trained range design engineers which ever they have admitted, there is another article pointing out if you had a crate with a little dirt mound that is also considered qualified..hence why his police report also states they warned him about 790.15 statue that once a stray crossed property lines he is in a world of hurt
As far as other's challenging the State has recognized there are NO cases like ours because no one else has taken advantage of the loosely written law, most people have common sense we were told by both the EPA and State level but just to shut you up let me just go ahead and post ONE of the Attorney General's letter to again show you how wrong you are that everyone backs him, the AG referred us to our County zoning and code enforcement because he is not in alliance with the guidelines for a rifle range
My friend in New Zealand can buy suppressors over the counter- - - -no "Mommy May I" to the government or ridiculous license fees. However, when he shoots his non-suppressed rifles at his range, he has a mega-muffler- - - -about a dozen big truck tires bolted together on an angle iron rack just ahead of his shooting bench. With the muzzle of the rifle stuck into the hole in the middle a few inches, the sound gets moderated down to a muffled POP, and the neighbors are barely aware that he's shooting at all. With a 20" diameter hole to shoot through there's no problem seeing downrange.
Do you have any pics of this? I'd really like to see it as it sounds pretty interesting.
The main issue is safety on this one though and we are not county we are less than acre lots, average lot out here is .25 -.50 acre he is on the outskirts up against the residential neighborhood, he should have bought an agriculture lot not butted up against a neighborhood for what he wants to do.
There ya go lying again, YOU are on a tiny cheap azzed lot, your neighbor is on 5 acres that was intended for what he is using it for.
It's YOU that wanted the end of the road lot butted up against his property and now YOU want to change his rights to match YOURS....
Again I love when someone so uneducated like yourself tries to tell me that you know more than our attorney who knows the comprehensive land allowance which Ag-Res is not ZONED for rifles or sport shooting ranges only agriculture lots so hence why people have pointed out ( if you could keep up) that he should have bought an agriculture plot not an Ag-Res and for the record my lot is .97 acres I said the average lot out here is.25 and .50 acres ....details details details keyboard warrior
My friend in New Zealand can buy suppressors over the counter- - - -no "Mommy May I" to the government or ridiculous license fees. However, when he shoots his non-suppressed rifles at his range, he has a mega-muffler- - - -about a dozen big truck tires bolted together on an angle iron rack just ahead of his shooting bench. With the muzzle of the rifle stuck into the hole in the middle a few inches, the sound gets moderated down to a muffled POP, and the neighbors are barely aware that he's shooting at all. With a 20" diameter hole to shoot through there's no problem seeing downrange.
Do you have any pics of this? I'd really like to see it as it sounds pretty interesting. ( oh sorry just realized you want pics of the New Zealand range )
Yes if you scroll up I just posted a picture of the direction of the range as well as the county map that shows all the homes he chose to point his range towards as well as if you look to the side of his property he could've aimed it that way and had it safely aimed it away from any homes for several acres
Do you have any pics of this? I'd really like to see it as it sounds pretty interesting.
No pics, but anyone with a few brain cells to rub together should be able to figure it out. Go to a trucking company or a big truck tire shop and scavenge up about a dozen worn out tires. They'll probably give them to you. Build a wood or metal rack that puts the hole in the tire at shooting bench height and stand the tires up side by side. Drill holes in the sidewalls and bolt them together with fender washers so you create a long tube.to shoot through. The air chambers of the tires create a series of baffles to absorb the pressure waves that cause the sound to travel. It's just like a suppressor on steroids. A side benefit is that it creates a glare-proof tunnel so you can shoot with the sun behind the target- - - -no glare that wipes out the scope picture. Jerry
Do you have any pics of this? I'd really like to see it as it sounds pretty interesting.
No pics, but anyone with a few brain cells to rub together should be able to figure it out. Go to a trucking company or a big truck tire shop and scavenge up about a dozen worn out tires. They'll probably give them to you. Build a wood or metal rack that puts the hole in the tire at shooting bench height and stand the tires up side by side. Drill holes in the sidewalls and bolt them together with fender washers so you create a long tube.to shoot through. The air chambers of the tires create a series of baffles to absorb the pressure waves that cause the sound to travel. It's just like a suppressor on steroids. A side benefit is that it creates a glare-proof tunnel so you can shoot with the sun behind the target- - - -no glare that wipes out the scope picture. Jerry
Again I love when someone so uneducated like yourself tries to tell me that you know more than our attorney
Your attorney is soaking your azz for all he can get, you'll figure that out in a few years.
And BTY, you haven't a clue as to whom I may be or what I know...
For all you know I might be one of those shooting over at Johns range...
Well if you were one of the ones shooting YOU should have no problem standing down range when he is shooting towards you then After all you feel there is no concern SO we will continue to watch for you standing out back while they fire and again if we don't see you then the pot calling the kettle black, you are a keyboard warrior ...it's one thing to validate your point it's another to hide behind a keyboard, so until I see a picture of you 200 ft away from someone shooting a 50 BMG and fully automatic with no upper backstop between you and the hole in the ground then your opinion is just a keyboard warrior one because I guarantee you would not stand out there yet you feel my son should be 100 % safe out there riding our 4 wheelers with his friends while they shoot ... so put your money where your mouth is ... till then you are just squawking as you said "your own words" actions speak more than words
What in the world do you think you'll accomplish by rambling on this board? No one here can sway your opinion, and you won't sway someone who disagrees with your stance. No one here has any power to effect the outcome of your situation. Why are you wasting your time?
What in the world do you think you'll accomplish by rambling on this board? No one here can sway your opinion, and you won't sway someone who disagrees with your stance. No one here has any power to effect the outcome of your situation. Why are you wasting your time?
Oh, you're used to getting your way.
You're absolutely correct, I am not a range design engineer which is why we reached out to some and none we found would sign off on this. My only point was to point out some of the facts of the story, you are again correct I will never be able to sway the opinion of some who already made up their mind, some of them I'm confident if a stray blew through my son himself, they would still argue that he has every right to shoot and we should've moved as well as every house within reach out here...
No, I'm not use to getting my way either and this probably is a waste of my time but it surely has opened up some eyes and I have also had some extremely qualified people in this area reach out to me and offer their help from these forums. It has also opened up some people in Florida on how loose the law was written, for those who are not aware here you can read it yourself 790.15 and 790.33 are the statues for shooting in Florida, now compare that to other state's and also see how they contradict each other when you read them, one says you can not shoot on your property if you have less than an acre the other says you can shoot on your property if you have less than acre ...
Any number of agencies could, and would, shut it down if the found a legitimate and immediate public safety concern. If they haven't done so, you won't get it done.
You do realize that most of what you have blathered on this board would (not could, but would) be used against you if something were to happen and you tried to sue someone? You believed yourself in danger. You had the time, opportunity, and means to remove yourself from that danger. You didn't because you're standing on the same stubbornness and property rights that your neighbor is.
All you're doing is paying for your attorney's new car and trying to get a little marketing for your "assets".
If you think your son is in danger, remove him from that danger. That is YOUR responsibility, regardless of your neighbors actions. If you don't, you suck as a mother.
Any number of agencies could, and would, shut it down if the found a legitimate and immediate public safety concern. If they haven't done so, you won't get it done.
You do realize that most of what you have blathered on this board would (not could, but would) be used against you if something were to happen and you tried to sue someone? You believed yourself in danger. You had the time, opportunity, and means to remove yourself from that danger. You didn't because you're standing on the same stubbornness and property rights that your neighbor is.
All you're doing is paying for your attorney's new car and trying to get a little marketing for your "assets".
If you think your son is in danger, remove him from that danger. That is YOUR responsibility, regardless of your neighbors actions. If you don't, you suck as a mother.
ok so are you willing to buy my new house to provide for us to just up and move? Let me also get this straight it is your opinion that if one of the household members out here gets shot by this reckless guy that it would be our faults?? because we didn't all sell our brand new homes that we built and moved into before this guy who doesn't even live out here yet?? OKKKKKKKK
Let me remind you it isn't just my house either so should everyone out here just up and move or are we ALL crappy parents? The paper trail is backwards too my dear, there is an extensive paper trail to both the state and county and the state has referred us to have the county address it and the only way to address it per the way the statue is written ( which I provided you the actual statues to educate yourself is to go through a court and you can also google Pasco county which is one county over and read about the Olympian who got shut down by her county but had to go through the courts,so again educate yourself before you come swinging at me...
As far attorney fees, again we are not the only house out here who retained the attorney she represents several homes out here not just us sighhhh she also had other firms reach out to her and offer their assistance as well. We found her through recommendation through the firm who sued the State of FL last year and WON on this issue...so let us worry about our attorney fees it's under control
Do you have any pics of this? I'd really like to see it as it sounds pretty interesting.
No pics, but anyone with a few brain cells to rub together should be able to figure it out. Go to a trucking company or a big truck tire shop and scavenge up about a dozen worn out tires. They'll probably give them to you. Build a wood or metal rack that puts the hole in the tire at shooting bench height and stand the tires up side by side. Drill holes in the sidewalls and bolt them together with fender washers so you create a long tube.to shoot through. The air chambers of the tires create a series of baffles to absorb the pressure waves that cause the sound to travel. It's just like a suppressor on steroids. A side benefit is that it creates a glare-proof tunnel so you can shoot with the sun behind the target- - - -no glare that wipes out the scope picture. Jerry
Won't work to solve her problem. The loudest noise comes from the sonic boom of the bullet. A 50BMG is still supersonic after it leaves the tires.
And it won't solve the ricochet problem down range. I'm no expert but I've been associated with two ranges that had ricochet problems from rifle bullets off the berm. I don't think the range inthe photo is safe.
Get range safety guidlines from the NRA and then file an injunction. Shouldn't matter if there is a Florida statute. The issue is endangering lives, not following some ordnance.
Any number of agencies could, and would, shut it down if the found a legitimate and immediate public safety concern. If they haven't done so, you won't get it done.
You do realize that most of what you have blathered on this board would (not could, but would) be used against you if something were to happen and you tried to sue someone? You believed yourself in danger. You had the time, opportunity, and means to remove yourself from that danger. You didn't because you're standing on the same stubbornness and property rights that your neighbor is.
All you're doing is paying for your attorney's new car and trying to get a little marketing for your "assets".
If you think your son is in danger, remove him from that danger. That is YOUR responsibility, regardless of your neighbors actions. If you don't, you suck as a mother.
I don't buy that at all, if he damages any property or worse hurts someone he's screwed. And my guess is so is the county.
If you are genuinely in fear for life, yes, it is your responsibility to remove yourself. As I said, if you have not, then you are being just as stubborn and standing on the same property rights that he is. No, I will not provide for you, it is not my,or anyone else's responsibility. It is yours. Get over it.
I realize that this is a great big deal to you. To everyone else here on this board, myself included, it is a minor distraction and simple amusement. Funny that you can't even see that you're a drama queen that doesn't understand why the masses aren't rising up to save little 'ol you.
If you have the money to waste on attorney, then you have the means to go live somewhere that the scary "military grade" weapons won't deafen you.
Side note: I get the feeling that the way your paragraphs are written and constructed is a lot like you must be in real life. One run-on sentence after another.
You believed yourself in danger. You had the time, opportunity, and means to remove yourself from that danger. You didn't because you're standing on the same stubbornness and property rights that your neighbor is.
There is no affirmative duty to move out of one's pre-existing house when some clod starts shooting bullets in you rdirection.
Maybe she should just get a very loud boom box, some amplifiers, and high powered flashing spotlight and blast back. After all, it's on her property.
Alternately, why can't the property owners get the city or township or whatever to pass a noise ordance?
Any number of agencies could, and would, shut it down if the found a legitimate and immediate public safety concern. If they haven't done so, you won't get it done.
You do realize that most of what you have blathered on this board would (not could, but would) be used against you if something were to happen and you tried to sue someone? You believed yourself in danger. You had the time, opportunity, and means to remove yourself from that danger. You didn't because you're standing on the same stubbornness and property rights that your neighbor is.
All you're doing is paying for your attorney's new car and trying to get a little marketing for your "assets".
If you think your son is in danger, remove him from that danger. That is YOUR responsibility, regardless of your neighbors actions. If you don't, you suck as a mother.
I don't buy that at all, if he damages any property or worse hurts someone he's screwed. And my guess is so is the county.
Yes, he would be screwed, but so would she. Remember that cases are not always just one persons fault or the other persons fault. Quite often it is proportional. And, if you knowingly kept yourself in a situation that you believed yourself to be in imminent danger, even though you had opportunity and means to remove yourself from that danger, you are just as culpable as the person who acted recklessly.
Do you have any pics of this? I'd really like to see it as it sounds pretty interesting.
No pics, but anyone with a few brain cells to rub together should be able to figure it out. Go to a trucking company or a big truck tire shop and scavenge up about a dozen worn out tires. They'll probably give them to you. Build a wood or metal rack that puts the hole in the tire at shooting bench height and stand the tires up side by side. Drill holes in the sidewalls and bolt them together with fender washers so you create a long tube.to shoot through. The air chambers of the tires create a series of baffles to absorb the pressure waves that cause the sound to travel. It's just like a suppressor on steroids. A side benefit is that it creates a glare-proof tunnel so you can shoot with the sun behind the target- - - -no glare that wipes out the scope picture. Jerry
Won't work to solve her problem. The loudest noise comes from the sonic boom of the bullet. A 50BMG is still supersonic after it leaves the tires.
And it won't solve the ricochet problem down range. I'm no expert but I've been associated with two ranges that had ricochet problems from rifle bullets off the berm. I don't think the range inthe photo is safe.
Get range safety guidlines from the NRA and then file an injunction. Shouldn't matter if there is a Florida statute. The issue is endangering lives, not following some ordnance.
That is exactly what we have to do is go through the courts for an injunction because of the way the statue is written and we won't be the first case to have done that and won, we have had other's reach out to us and provide their help so even though I have to sort through the keyboard warrior comments who aren't willing to put their mouth where their fingers type are and stand at the end of the hole when he is shooting ( I would even let them stand on our side of the line ) they sure love to give their input on how safe they feel it is and how quiet and acceptable they think it is, so it is nice to have a guy like you who understands logic unlike the last guy who's solution is everyone out here should sell their homes and move otherwise we are all bad parents.... cause you know everyone who just built a brand new home should go buy another home and pay capital gains or take hefty hits so that the one guy who doesn't even live out here yet can continue with his recklessness... sighhh I just can't even rationalize with some of these folks but I have found MOST side with us that what he isn't doing isn't the smartest or most logical way and most would not want this in their back yard as well.
We have documentation from both the County and the State level in writing both stating " they do not agree this is safe, however the way the statue is written which is why there are so many suits on this statue and topic in FL our only option was to hire an attorney ( which several households did out here not just me) and file because under the exceptions portion of the statue a Judge can decide if it is unsafe, the Gov sent EPA out they didn't agree with him either and made him pull additional permit for drainage, the AG has advised our County 2xs to look under our zoning laws which our attny pointed out does not allow a rifle range on Ag- Res only agriculture lots for our county and although our county sides they don;t fee this is smart or safe they are afraid of being removed from office from the way the statue reads hence why they met with our attorney, they are willing to work with our attorney, but some people on here can't read they would rather stalk my personal life instead and comment on me personally ( although none of them commenting on me personally bothered to point out there are plenty of pictures of me with my AR and my Glock and my 40 S&W pictures that all pre-date this issue validating I am an avid shooter myself I am not against guns or private ranges, apparently their eyes have tunnel vision though ) . So thank you again for your support and logic
Any number of agencies could, and would, shut it down if the found a legitimate and immediate public safety concern. If they haven't done so, you won't get it done.
You do realize that most of what you have blathered on this board would (not could, but would) be used against you if something were to happen and you tried to sue someone? You believed yourself in danger. You had the time, opportunity, and means to remove yourself from that danger. You didn't because you're standing on the same stubbornness and property rights that your neighbor is.
All you're doing is paying for your attorney's new car and trying to get a little marketing for your "assets".
If you think your son is in danger, remove him from that danger. That is YOUR responsibility, regardless of your neighbors actions. If you don't, you suck as a mother.
I don't buy that at all, if he damages any property or worse hurts someone he's screwed. And my guess is so is the county.
Yes, he would be screwed, but so would she. Remember that cases are not always just one persons fault or the other persons fault. Quite often it is proportional. And, if you knowingly kept yourself in a situation that you believed yourself to be in imminent danger, even though you had opportunity and means to remove yourself from that danger, you are just as culpable as the person who acted recklessly.
Well let me point out the County is working on our attorney side so they are covering their tracks and not one county attorney or one commissioner or State rep who also side with us has ever mentioned that we should uproot and sell, that would require almost 20 brand new homes out here sell in one of the most desired neighborhoods heck the one family who have small children literally just moved in last week, the other one on their street hasn't even had a chance to close on their final loan modification yet.. so that is your reply you think the county is going to tell everyone out here to sell and then what the people who buy after them should continue to just keep selling as revolving door as well? That logic makes no sense
You believed yourself in danger. You had the time, opportunity, and means to remove yourself from that danger. You didn't because you're standing on the same stubbornness and property rights that your neighbor is.
There is no affirmative duty to move out of one's pre-existing house when some clod starts shooting bullets in you rdirection.
Maybe she should just get a very loud boom box, some amplifiers, and high powered flashing spotlight and blast back. After all, it's on her property.
Alternately, why can't the property owners get the city or township or whatever to pass a noise ordance?
In this free country there will situations where people are not going to see eye to eye, but to ruin you and your families life over something of inconvenience just behooves me. You've obviously not found how short life really is , there are plenty of hazards and challenges coming your way . You can solve this dilemma by selling this house and simply building another one in an area that is more to your liking , and a home that you and your family will be safe and happy. The first thing to do when you find yourself in a hole......well you know the rest ! Life is far to short to make yourself miserable.
Any number of agencies could, and would, shut it down if the found a legitimate and immediate public safety concern. If they haven't done so, you won't get it done.
You do realize that most of what you have blathered on this board would (not could, but would) be used against you if something were to happen and you tried to sue someone? You believed yourself in danger. You had the time, opportunity, and means to remove yourself from that danger. You didn't because you're standing on the same stubbornness and property rights that your neighbor is.
All you're doing is paying for your attorney's new car and trying to get a little marketing for your "assets".
If you think your son is in danger, remove him from that danger. That is YOUR responsibility, regardless of your neighbors actions. If you don't, you suck as a mother.
I don't buy that at all, if he damages any property or worse hurts someone he's screwed. And my guess is so is the county.
Yes, he would be screwed, but so would she. Remember that cases are not always just one persons fault or the other persons fault. Quite often it is proportional. And, if you knowingly kept yourself in a situation that you believed yourself to be in imminent danger, even though you had opportunity and means to remove yourself from that danger, you are just as culpable as the person who acted recklessly.
It's called a deliberate indifference lawsuit, we brought it to the County and State's attention so as I pointed out earlier not one county commissioner who sides with us nor one State rep who sided with us suggested we sell and move nor have they suggested it to any other homes out here in fact one State rep owns a few of the houses being constructed out here under his real estate company so why on Earth would they suggest people sell their new homes rather than address the one home no one lives in yet? Hence why they collectively met with our attorney ( the county attorney, the code enforcement manager, the zoning administer, the sheriff dept attorney all met with out attorney on this topic) not a one of them suggested anyone out here would be liable if someone got shot other than the range owner . ...
You believed yourself in danger. You had the time, opportunity, and means to remove yourself from that danger. You didn't because you're standing on the same stubbornness and property rights that your neighbor is.
There is no affirmative duty to move out of one's pre-existing house when some clod starts shooting bullets in you rdirection.
Maybe she should just get a very loud boom box, some amplifiers, and high powered flashing spotlight and blast back. After all, it's on her property.
Alternately, why can't the property owners get the city or township or whatever to pass a noise ordance?
In this free country there will situations where people are not going to see eye to eye, but to ruin you and your families life over something of inconvenience just behooves me. You've obviously not found how short life really is , there are plenty of hazards and challenges coming your way . You can solve this dilemma by selling this house and simply building another one in an area that is more to your liking , and a home that you and your family will be safe and happy. The first thing to do when you find yourself in a hole......well you know the rest ! Life is far to short to make yourself miserable.
If it were that easy we certainly could we have another lot out here we can build on but there is no guarantee the way our statue is written we wouldn't do the exact same thing take 1.5 years to custom build a house like we did and end up with same thing in our back yard again in town even, and again I'm not the ONLY home out here in the line of fire, I'm just the closest one the shooter has argues my house is close enough he feels it would go over my house and further into populated area so how would you resolve that? You suggest every house move out here? Then what those people sell and the new owners find out their in the line of fire they sell too and it's a revolving door for the one guy who doesn't even live out here yet? The shooter doesn't live out here, he is building his own but comes out and shoots now...
We are working with code enforcement on the noise ordinance you have to really read our Statue 790.33 to fully understand why county officials referred us to the courts. There is a section that states any official who tries to supersede the state overseeing all gun legislation can be removed from office and given a 5000 fine. That is why there are a ton of lawsuits on this Statue your only option is to have a judge decide which is under the exceptions order of the statue.
You can solve this dilemma by selling this house and simply building another one in an area that is more to your liking , and a home that you and your family will be safe and happy.
The first thing to do when you find yourself in a hole......well you know the rest ! Life is far to short to make yourself miserable.
What a dumbell you are.
Suppose I moved next to your trailer, shack, or hovel, and started to play rap music on a boombox at 3:00 AM. Hmmmm? Would you just quietly pack up, sell your house, and move? Tell me about it.
Gimme a break. Honestly, I don't know why I reply to such stupid posts as yours.
You believed yourself in danger. You had the time, opportunity, and means to remove yourself from that danger. You didn't because you're standing on the same stubbornness and property rights that your neighbor is.
There is no affirmative duty to move out of one's pre-existing house when some clod starts shooting bullets in you rdirection.
Maybe she should just get a very loud boom box, some amplifiers, and high powered flashing spotlight and blast back. After all, it's on her property.
Alternately, why can't the property owners get the city or township or whatever to pass a noise ordance?
In this free country there will situations where people are not going to see eye to eye, but to ruin you and your families life over something of inconvenience just behooves me. You've obviously not found how short life really is , there are plenty of hazards and challenges coming your way . You can solve this dilemma by selling this house and simply building another one in an area that is more to your liking , and a home that you and your family will be safe and happy. The first thing to do when you find yourself in a hole......well you know the rest ! Life is far to short to make yourself miserable.
Do you have any pics of this? I'd really like to see it as it sounds pretty interesting.
No pics, but anyone with a few brain cells to rub together should be able to figure it out. Go to a trucking company or a big truck tire shop and scavenge up about a dozen worn out tires. They'll probably give them to you. Build a wood or metal rack that puts the hole in the tire at shooting bench height and stand the tires up side by side. Drill holes in the sidewalls and bolt them together with fender washers so you create a long tube.to shoot through. The air chambers of the tires create a series of baffles to absorb the pressure waves that cause the sound to travel. It's just like a suppressor on steroids. A side benefit is that it creates a glare-proof tunnel so you can shoot with the sun behind the target- - - -no glare that wipes out the scope picture. Jerry
Won't work to solve her problem. The loudest noise comes from the sonic boom of the bullet. A 50BMG is still supersonic after it leaves the tires.
And it won't solve the ricochet problem down range. I'm no expert but I've been associated with two ranges that had ricochet problems from rifle bullets off the berm. I don't think the range inthe photo is safe.
Get range safety guidlines from the NRA and then file an injunction. Shouldn't matter if there is a Florida statute. The issue is endangering lives, not following some ordnance.
Indy,
You really need to stop displaying your ignorance on this one. As has already been pointed out, anyone, who during their time in the service, or at long range matches, has worked down range pit duty, and had bullets fly directly over their head at supersonic speeds, knows you above claim JUST ISN'T TRUE.
You believed yourself in danger. You had the time, opportunity, and means to remove yourself from that danger. You didn't because you're standing on the same stubbornness and property rights that your neighbor is.
There is no affirmative duty to move out of one's pre-existing house when some clod starts shooting bullets in you rdirection.
Maybe she should just get a very loud boom box, some amplifiers, and high powered flashing spotlight and blast back. After all, it's on her property.
Alternately, why can't the property owners get the city or township or whatever to pass a noise ordance?
In this free country there will situations where people are not going to see eye to eye, but to ruin you and your families life over something of inconvenience just behooves me. You've obviously not found how short life really is , there are plenty of hazards and challenges coming your way . You can solve this dilemma by selling this house and simply building another one in an area that is more to your liking , and a home that you and your family will be safe and happy. The first thing to do when you find yourself in a hole......well you know the rest ! Life is far to short to make yourself miserable.
If it were that easy we certainly could we have another lot out here we can build on but there is no guarantee the way our statue is written we wouldn't do the exact same thing take 1.5 years to custom build a house like we did and end up with same thing in our back yard again in town even, and again I'm not the ONLY home out here in the line of fire, I'm just the closest one the shooter has argues my house is close enough he feels it would go over my house and further into populated area so how would you resolve that? You suggest every house move out here? Then what those people sell and the new owners find out their in the line of fire they sell too and it's a revolving door for the one guy who doesn't even live out here yet? The shooter doesn't live out here, he is building his own but comes out and shoots now...
We are working with code enforcement on the noise ordinance you have to really read our Statue 790.33 to fully understand why county officials referred us to the courts. There is a section that states any official who tries to supersede the state overseeing all gun legislation can be removed from office and given a 5000 fine. That is why there are a ton of lawsuits on this Statue your only option is to have a judge decide which is under the exceptions order of the statue.
Not to rain on your parade, but there plenty of ways to shoot quietly , any one that has three digits in their IQ knows that sound is not your problem and neither will it be a solution. Sub sonic ammo and silenced rifles solves the sound problem but not your safety issues, you win a battle all while losing your war, and a lot of lawyer fees .
Old "Mistykins" ( notice the word old) has always gotten by on her looks her whole life obviously it seems.... Now that she is in the declining cougar stage of her self centered needing attention life, and needs a vag rejuvination. She is realizing that she cant get by on her looks in this matter.
Get on the floor of the state legislature and do what the link suggest. They might ask the owner to make the back wall inclined forward with reinforcement and construct upward slope side walls to it from the 75 yd line.
Coming here to the campfire, even if you aint a tranny sock puppet is probably the numbest thing you could do to build allies/ sympathy for yourself.
Key words " who sided with us". Meaning some have sided against you. Signing up to the Campfire just to whine and blather on and on and on ad nausem. Loud and obnoxious.
Some people agree, some people do not. Get over it.
Nope, nope, nope...not at all. It's know nothing voters such as you johnn that are a threat to our 2nd amendment rights.
Her neighbor has built a safe quality range that has been approved by every legal entity that has inspected it and he isn't even done with it yet.
I put much more faith into the opinion of the non-bias ones that have been inspecting it than I do this squawky little has been twit that is ranting all over the internet while flashing her tits and ass to attract attention to herself.
This guys range appears to be much safer than your average neighborhood street with big scary cars driving around on it.
So many just can't seem to look beyond this broads tits before they jump to a half baked conclusion on her neighbors shooting range...
Anyone that directs gunfire at some ones home is a moron, you must be related.....
Again I love when someone so uneducated like yourself tries to tell me that you know more than our attorney
Your attorney is soaking your azz for all he can get, you'll figure that out in a few years.
And BTY, you haven't a clue as to whom I may be or what I know...
For all you know I might be one of those shooting over at Johns range...
Here's a few brief observations I have. Some of which concerns you two...
1) Misty, neither you nor the range owner is 100% in the right, so to speak.
I think you have over dramatized the situation, and are making some claims that will be hard to prove.
The range owner isn't 100% in the right because he obviously doesn't care about causing issues with the neighbors. He may have the rule of law in his favor, but in many cases, just because something is legal, doesn't mean it's a good idea to do it.
2) This has nothing to do with looks or male or female. We ought to have more class here than to personally insult someone over their looks, or call them names. (Trolls excepted )
3) The OP had the title right from the beginning. Shooting Range Drama. Stress on the "Drama" part. So far, it has lived up to it's name.
2) This has nothing to do with looks or male or female. We ought to have more class here than to personally insult someone over their looks, or call them names. (Trolls excepted )
When a member posts pics of themselves in a state of near undress, they ask for it. Post a pic bragging about a small buck, calling it a booner and you'll probably get called on it.
2) This has nothing to do with looks or male or female. We ought to have more class here than to personally insult someone over their looks, or call them names. (Trolls excepted )
When a member posts pics of themselves in a state of near undress, they ask for it. Post a pic bragging about a small buck, calling it a booner and you'll probably get called on it.
well I didn't post that someone went and stalked my personal accounts and posted that I posted a pic of me with a cargo vest and an AR when someone asked to see a pic of me with an AR
Again I love when someone so uneducated like yourself tries to tell me that you know more than our attorney
Your attorney is soaking your azz for all he can get, you'll figure that out in a few years.
And BTY, you haven't a clue as to whom I may be or what I know...
For all you know I might be one of those shooting over at Johns range...
Here's a few brief observations I have. Some of which concerns you two...
1) Misty, neither you nor the range owner is 100% in the right, so to speak.
I think you have over dramatized the situation, and are making some claims that will be hard to prove.
The range owner isn't 100% in the right because he obviously doesn't care about causing issues with the neighbors. He may have the rule of law in his favor, but in many cases, just because something is legal, doesn't mean it's a good idea to do it.
2) This has nothing to do with looks or male or female. We ought to have more class here than to personally insult someone over their looks, or call them names. (Trolls excepted )
3) The OP had the title right from the beginning. Shooting Range Drama. Stress on the "Drama" part. So far, it has lived up to it's name.
2) This has nothing to do with looks or male or female. We ought to have more class here than to personally insult someone over their looks, or call them names. (Trolls excepted )
When a member posts pics of themselves in a state of near undress, they ask for it. Post a pic bragging about a small buck, calling it a booner and you'll probably get called on it.
And to register here with her Instagram user name which is loaded with soft porn and then indicate someone pried into her personal life.....what a joke....she is here for the attention and loving every minute of it, at her age she'll take anything she can get, good, bad or ugly..
Do you have any pics of this? I'd really like to see it as it sounds pretty interesting.
No pics, but anyone with a few brain cells to rub together should be able to figure it out. Go to a trucking company or a big truck tire shop and scavenge up about a dozen worn out tires. They'll probably give them to you. Build a wood or metal rack that puts the hole in the tire at shooting bench height and stand the tires up side by side. Drill holes in the sidewalls and bolt them together with fender washers so you create a long tube.to shoot through. The air chambers of the tires create a series of baffles to absorb the pressure waves that cause the sound to travel. It's just like a suppressor on steroids. A side benefit is that it creates a glare-proof tunnel so you can shoot with the sun behind the target- - - -no glare that wipes out the scope picture. Jerry
Won't work to solve her problem. The loudest noise comes from the sonic boom of the bullet. A 50BMG is still supersonic after it leaves the tires.
And it won't solve the ricochet problem down range. I'm no expert but I've been associated with two ranges that had ricochet problems from rifle bullets off the berm. I don't think the range inthe photo is safe.
Get range safety guidlines from the NRA and then file an injunction. Shouldn't matter if there is a Florida statute. The issue is endangering lives, not following some ordnance.
Indy,
You really need to stop displaying your ignorance on this one. As has already been pointed out, anyone, who during their time in the service, or at long range matches, has worked down range pit duty, and had bullets fly directly over their head at supersonic speeds, knows you above claim JUST ISN'T TRUE.
Time to chime in!!!!
Fugging rds zipping by ya sound like a green branch loudly snapping. Thats about it..... BTDT all over this planet in training and in firefights.
It aint a fugging F16 nearing the sound barrier and then breaking it Immediately over your position...
Not some fugging hearing destroying schitt like some wanta think. JFC.......
What destroys your hearing is concussive repeative shearing pulse muzzle blast. Especially in close proximity of the effects of it on the immediate flanks of a gun muzzle... Backing off the edge of a adjacent wpn system being fired even 1 or 2 ft when you find yourself in that circumstance. Your fugging bell wont be rocked as severely or at all....
BTDT Way too many times to count. And sometimes you cant fugging move or its an after the fact event.
Oh P.S...... Graduate of 24 yrs of service in the Infantry. Holder of surface danger zone training certificates. Holder of ammo67/range hazmat certificates. Holder of aerial and indirect fires coordination certificates. Small arms and manuver range operator and repairer to include shoot house,s. 9mm to .50 for 3 yrs after I retired at FTCKY. Turned down Goat fugg Montgomery County shooting complex range directors job.
Now back to the " Why cant I get my way Mistykins show"
There is no reason to make all these derogatory remarks to this woman. This has nothing to do with her looks, bra size, weight, or anything else of a personal nature. There is not a single one of you, being honest with yourself, that would not be aggravated if someone started firing in the direction of your home and was less than 500' away. It is like the old adage "It is legal but is it ethical or safe?" Her house and other houses were there before he built his range. Who here can honestly say they would have built as he did? I wouldn't have. Safety first is more than just a slogan, it is a way of life.
She came to this forum to defend herself and her actions from the first few posts. She is a smart, intelligent, stand up woman who obviously threatens the testosterone levels of a lot of you guys. It is obvious she does not intimidate easily and stands up for herself. This is the kind of standup woman we want on our side not some mamby pamby wishy washy woman who cowers and hides at the first sign of trouble.
You don't know anything about her except she has good lucks and a great body. You don't have to agree with her but you also don't need to be making personal attacks of a sexual nature. I figure most of these are from fat, old, paunch gut men who haven't seen their small dicks in years and will never have the pleasure of having such a pretty woman on your arm while walking down the street. Prove me wrong.
Here's a few brief observations I have. Some of which concerns you two...
1) Misty, neither you nor the range owner is 100% in the right, so to speak.
I think you have over dramatized the situation, and are making some claims that will be hard to prove.
The range owner isn't 100% in the right because he obviously doesn't care about causing issues with the neighbors. He may have the rule of law in his favor, but in many cases, just because something is legal, doesn't mean it's a good idea to do it.
2) This has nothing to do with looks or male or female. We ought to have more class here than to personally insult someone over their looks, or call them names. (Trolls excepted )
3) The OP had the title right from the beginning. Shooting Range Drama. Stress on the "Drama" part. So far, it has lived up to it's name.[/quote] [/quote]
1. ) We did try to work with him, we asked him to turn it and that would've been acceptable but he didn't want to turn it away, he admitted he could see our home but never drove back here to see how many others homes there were, which rule number one when setting a berm is no your back stop and further more what is behind it since no shot is guaranteed that is off the NRA page and just common sense. There was a guy over a mile away who had a ricochet come through our yard while we were building the guy behind me went to him and showed him the trees it was hitting and the guy rectified his berm no issues, no one persecuted him, no one sued him, it was an honest mistake that he wasn't aware and he addressed it, problem solved he shoots almost nightly out here no one cares or bothers him in fact if we don't hear him we assume he is traveling, a few blocks away there is another house shoots all the time as well, again his range is safely away from every one and he has above ground back stop and they are also not shooting 50 BMG , the guy at the end of our street has a 50 BMG he used to have a range out back ( well technically he still does ) but once people built behind him he no longer would consider shooting that on his range because it is logical or safe as he said and it's just not worth it...
1-B.) Yes the owner blatantly said he doesn't care about safety of those behind him in fact verbatim " that's a risk I'm willing to take he said in fron of an audience of 5 people "
2.) Correct looks or gender have nothing to do with the range at all
There is no reason to make all these derogatory remarks to this woman. This has nothing to do with her looks, bra size, weight, or anything else of a personal nature. There is not a single one of you, being honest with yourself, that would not be aggravated if someone started firing in the direction of your home and was less than 500' away. It is like the old adage "It is legal but is it ethical or safe?" Her house and other houses were there before he built his range. Who here can honestly say they would have built as he did? I wouldn't have. Safety first is more than just a slogan, it is a way of life.
She came to this forum to defend herself and her actions from the first few posts. She is a smart, intelligent, stand up woman who obviously threatens the testosterone levels of a lot of you guys. It is obvious she does not intimidate easily and stands up for herself. This is the kind of standup woman we want on our side not some mamby pamby wishy washy woman who cowers and hides at the first sign of trouble.
You don't know anything about her except she has good lucks and a great body. You don't have to agree with her but you also don't need to be making personal attacks of a sexual nature. I figure most of these are from fat, old, paunch gut men who haven't seen their small dicks in years and will never have the pleasure of having such a pretty woman on your arm while walking down the street. Prove me wrong.
Jim
Thank you Jim for sticking to valid points. There isn't a single of those keyboard warriors that would come stand on my property line while they are hot over there or willing to send a video of someone firing a fully automatic or 50 BMG with no upper berm just 500 ft away either.
The logic of some that we should all see our houses and move makes zero sense. So what we sell we move the new owners have the same issues and everyone keeps selling out here to accommodate the guys who isn't being safe? Our house took over a 1.5 years to build since it was a custom home, the couple behind us is their retirement home, same with the couple across from me and the one beside me, the one at end of our street both houses retired Navy vets built their retirement homes, couple who just moved in small children wanted them to be in a safe desired area to have friends to play safely, state trooper wanted peace, it goes on and on so those who feel we should all sell is just not even logical.
There is no reason to make all these derogatory remarks to this woman. This has nothing to do with her looks, bra size, weight, or anything else of a personal nature. There is not a single one of you, being honest with yourself, that would not be aggravated if someone started firing in the direction of your home and was less than 500' away. It is like the old adage "It is legal but is it ethical or safe?" Her house and other houses were there before he built his range. Who here can honestly say they would have built as he did? I wouldn't have. Safety first is more than just a slogan, it is a way of life.
She came to this forum to defend herself and her actions from the first few posts. She is a smart, intelligent, stand up woman who obviously threatens the testosterone levels of a lot of you guys. It is obvious she does not intimidate easily and stands up for herself. This is the kind of standup woman we want on our side not some mamby pamby wishy washy woman who cowers and hides at the first sign of trouble.
You don't know anything about her except she has good lucks and a great body. You don't have to agree with her but you also don't need to be making personal attacks of a sexual nature. I figure most of these are from fat, old, paunch gut men who haven't seen their small dicks in years and will never have the pleasure of having such a pretty woman on your arm while walking down the street. Prove me wrong.
Jim
Soooooo you have a crush on the drama queen and are soliciting for dick pics?
Do you have any pics of this? I'd really like to see it as it sounds pretty interesting.
No pics, but anyone with a few brain cells to rub together should be able to figure it out. Go to a trucking company or a big truck tire shop and scavenge up about a dozen worn out tires. They'll probably give them to you. Build a wood or metal rack that puts the hole in the tire at shooting bench height and stand the tires up side by side. Drill holes in the sidewalls and bolt them together with fender washers so you create a long tube.to shoot through. The air chambers of the tires create a series of baffles to absorb the pressure waves that cause the sound to travel. It's just like a suppressor on steroids. A side benefit is that it creates a glare-proof tunnel so you can shoot with the sun behind the target- - - -no glare that wipes out the scope picture. Jerry
Won't work to solve her problem. The loudest noise comes from the sonic boom of the bullet. A 50BMG is still supersonic after it leaves the tires.
And it won't solve the ricochet problem down range. I'm no expert but I've been associated with two ranges that had ricochet problems from rifle bullets off the berm. I don't think the range inthe photo is safe.
Get range safety guidlines from the NRA and then file an injunction. Shouldn't matter if there is a Florida statute. The issue is endangering lives, not following some ordnance.
Indy,
You really need to stop displaying your ignorance on this one. As has already been pointed out, anyone, who during their time in the service, or at long range matches, has worked down range pit duty, and had bullets fly directly over their head at supersonic speeds, knows you above claim JUST ISN'T TRUE.
AS: All I can say is that, as an NRA-classified Lifetime Master in High Power Rifle since 1961, I've been in the pits while thousands of rounds went about 6 feet over my head. The firing line was 200 yards away. the "crack" from the bullet was MUCH LOUDER than the rifle's report, which was heard a fraction of a second later.
Now it may be that the berm (behind me) absorbs some of the sound of the rifle's report. But consider this: The impact area (in front of me) at my club is about 50 feet high, with the bullets impacting near the bottom. Behind that is a street about 600 feet away. One time I was on that street during a rapid fire (about 4 shooters firing 40 shots total in 60 seconds) match. I thought the sound was pretty loud and obnoxious.
Sometimes while in the pits I've seen bullets ricochet and hit the hill in back, about 10 feet or so up from the initial impact. I don't think the so-called berm in the photo at the start of this thread would provide protection from such a ricochet.
There is no reason to make all these derogatory remarks to this woman. This has nothing to do with her looks, bra size, weight, or anything else of a personal nature. There is not a single one of you, being honest with yourself, that would not be aggravated if someone started firing in the direction of your home and was less than 500' away. It is like the old adage "It is legal but is it ethical or safe?" Her house and other houses were there before he built his range. Who here can honestly say they would have built as he did? I wouldn't have. Safety first is more than just a slogan, it is a way of life.
She came to this forum to defend herself and her actions from the first few posts. She is a smart, intelligent, stand up woman who obviously threatens the testosterone levels of a lot of you guys. It is obvious she does not intimidate easily and stands up for herself. This is the kind of standup woman we want on our side not some mamby pamby wishy washy woman who cowers and hides at the first sign of trouble.
You don't know anything about her except she has good lucks and a great body. You don't have to agree with her but you also don't need to be making personal attacks of a sexual nature. I figure most of these are from fat, old, paunch gut men who haven't seen their small dicks in years and will never have the pleasure of having such a pretty woman on your arm while walking down the street. Prove me wrong.
Jim
Soooooo you have a crush on the drama queen and are soliciting for dick pics?
I doubt it, but he has some class unlike most of the bozos here, dont type it if you wont say it to someones face.... doubtful we have all the facts. and in the end it doesn't matter one bit what we think, its just a opinion. Amazing the remarks someone will say.... wonder how they treat their own family, or if they kick there dog when they wander out of their trailer in the morning to scratch there ball sacks... once they find them.
There is no reason to make all these derogatory remarks to this woman. This has nothing to do with her looks, bra size, weight, or anything else of a personal nature. There is not a single one of you, being honest with yourself, that would not be aggravated if someone started firing in the direction of your home and was less than 500' away. It is like the old adage "It is legal but is it ethical or safe?" Her house and other houses were there before he built his range. Who here can honestly say they would have built as he did? I wouldn't have. Safety first is more than just a slogan, it is a way of life.
She came to this forum to defend herself and her actions from the first few posts. She is a smart, intelligent, stand up woman who obviously threatens the testosterone levels of a lot of you guys. It is obvious she does not intimidate easily and stands up for herself. This is the kind of standup woman we want on our side not some mamby pamby wishy washy woman who cowers and hides at the first sign of trouble.
You don't know anything about her except she has good lucks and a great body. You don't have to agree with her but you also don't need to be making personal attacks of a sexual nature. I figure most of these are from fat, old, paunch gut men who haven't seen their small dicks in years and will never have the pleasure of having such a pretty woman on your arm while walking down the street. Prove me wrong.
Jim
Soooooo you have a crush on the drama queen and are soliciting for dick pics?
I doubt it, but he has some class unlike most of the bozos here, dont type it if you wont say it to someones face.... doubtful we have all the facts. and in the end it doesn't matter one bit what we think, its just a opinion. Amazing the remarks someone will say.... wonder how they treat their own family, or if they kick there dog when they wander out of their trailer in the morning to scratch there ball sacks... once they find them.
Rockingbbar’s post showed class. Batman’s had a bunch of snarky insults. The irony should not need pointed out. For the record I never insulted her, simply asked if there was a link for nudes. Given the nature of pics already provided that is not out of line.
There is no reason to make all these derogatory remarks to this woman. This has nothing to do with her looks, bra size, weight, or anything else of a personal nature. There is not a single one of you, being honest with yourself, that would not be aggravated if someone started firing in the direction of your home and was less than 500' away. It is like the old adage "It is legal but is it ethical or safe?" Her house and other houses were there before he built his range. Who here can honestly say they would have built as he did? I wouldn't have. Safety first is more than just a slogan, it is a way of life.
She came to this forum to defend herself and her actions from the first few posts. She is a smart, intelligent, stand up woman who obviously threatens the testosterone levels of a lot of you guys. It is obvious she does not intimidate easily and stands up for herself. This is the kind of standup woman we want on our side not some mamby pamby wishy washy woman who cowers and hides at the first sign of trouble.
You don't know anything about her except she has good lucks and a great body. You don't have to agree with her but you also don't need to be making personal attacks of a sexual nature. I figure most of these are from fat, old, paunch gut men who haven't seen their small dicks in years and will never have the pleasure of having such a pretty woman on your arm while walking down the street. Prove me wrong.
Jim
Soooooo you have a crush on the drama queen and are soliciting for dick pics?
I doubt it, but he has some class unlike most of the bozos here, dont type it if you wont say it to someones face.... doubtful we have all the facts. and in the end it doesn't matter one bit what we think, its just a opinion. Amazing the remarks someone will say.... wonder how they treat their own family, or if they kick there dog when they wander out of their trailer in the morning to scratch there ball sacks... once they find them.
Rockingbbar’s post showed class. Batman’s had a bunch of snarky insults. The irony should not need pointed out. For the record I never insulted her, simply asked if there was a link for nudes. Given the nature of pics already provided that is not out of line.
Ymmv
And for what reason did you want nude pics...? ..... eh, just askin....
Any number of agencies could, and would, shut it down if the found a legitimate and immediate public safety concern. If they haven't done so, you won't get it done.
You do realize that most of what you have blathered on this board would (not could, but would) be used against you if something were to happen and you tried to sue someone? You believed yourself in danger. You had the time, opportunity, and means to remove yourself from that danger. You didn't because you're standing on the same stubbornness and property rights that your neighbor is.
All you're doing is paying for your attorney's new car and trying to get a little marketing for your "assets".
If you think your son is in danger, remove him from that danger. That is YOUR responsibility, regardless of your neighbors actions. If you don't, you suck as a mother.
I don't buy that at all, if he damages any property or worse hurts someone he's screwed. And my guess is so is the county.
Yes, he would be screwed, but so would she. Remember that cases are not always just one persons fault or the other persons fault. Quite often it is proportional. And, if you knowingly kept yourself in a situation that you believed yourself to be in imminent danger, even though you had opportunity and means to remove yourself from that danger, you are just as culpable as the person who acted recklessly.
Well let me point out the County is working on our attorney side so they are covering their tracks and not one county attorney or one commissioner or State rep who also side with us has ever mentioned that we should uproot and sell, that would require almost 20 brand new homes out here sell in one of the most desired neighborhoods heck the one family who have small children literally just moved in last week, the other one on their street hasn't even had a chance to close on their final loan modification yet.. so that is your reply you think the county is going to tell everyone out here to sell and then what the people who buy after them should continue to just keep selling as revolving door as well? That logic makes no sense
If you don't already understand that the state and county are more interested in covering their ass than your safety, then you're being naive.
Any number of agencies could, and would, shut it down if the found a legitimate and immediate public safety concern. If they haven't done so, you won't get it done.
You do realize that most of what you have blathered on this board would (not could, but would) be used against you if something were to happen and you tried to sue someone? You believed yourself in danger. You had the time, opportunity, and means to remove yourself from that danger. You didn't because you're standing on the same stubbornness and property rights that your neighbor is.
All you're doing is paying for your attorney's new car and trying to get a little marketing for your "assets".
If you think your son is in danger, remove him from that danger. That is YOUR responsibility, regardless of your neighbors actions. If you don't, you suck as a mother.
I don't buy that at all, if he damages any property or worse hurts someone he's screwed. And my guess is so is the county.
Yes, he would be screwed, but so would she. Remember that cases are not always just one persons fault or the other persons fault. Quite often it is proportional. And, if you knowingly kept yourself in a situation that you believed yourself to be in imminent danger, even though you had opportunity and means to remove yourself from that danger, you are just as culpable as the person who acted recklessly.
Well let me point out the County is working on our attorney side so they are covering their tracks and not one county attorney or one commissioner or State rep who also side with us has ever mentioned that we should uproot and sell, that would require almost 20 brand new homes out here sell in one of the most desired neighborhoods heck the one family who have small children literally just moved in last week, the other one on their street hasn't even had a chance to close on their final loan modification yet.. so that is your reply you think the county is going to tell everyone out here to sell and then what the people who buy after them should continue to just keep selling as revolving door as well? That logic makes no sense
If you don't already understand that the state and county are more interested in covering their ass than your safety, then you're being naive.
Best of Luck.
No no we agree we know the county and state are looking to address it to cover their asses due to the hefty paper trail from several homes out here.
The State already has a ton of lawsuits over this topic on other cases because Counties were getting sued so the other action the county could take do the way the Statue is written, was to sue the State, that's how we found our attorney through the first county who sued the state and his firm won against the state in that suit. The last thing they need is someone to get hit by a stray or have that 50 go rogue and into that populated area and now there is a long paper trail showing letters from multiple homes reaching out with concern to both the Governor's office, the Attorney General, the Senators office, State Reps, County Commissioners, County Attorney, EPA, Code enforcement and zoning and planning, because then you have a deliberate in differential lawsuit on them as well. Most of our County officials also have said this is just insane.
The guy better have blue sky barriers and count on more than a a tall berm to contain the lead.
I've been a member of two shooting ranges that have almost shut down because neighbors out buildings got hit by bullets leaving the range. These ranges had tall hills beyond the back stops.
The one incident was on a 200 plus yard range and police doing training launched the bullets out.
In the end, Its not the home owner building the range that will screw up, its his stupid guests that may take him down.
The road in front of my house has cars driving up and down it all day and some even after dark! There are no barriers, there is nothing to stop a car if one were to turn and head off the road.
They could hit my house, worse yet they could hit one of my children!
The state needs to do something about this it's so dangerous and nobody will listen to me...
They either need to put an end to cars driving on these roads or build barriers strong enough to hold cars back to save my poor family...
There is no reason to make all these derogatory remarks to this woman. This has nothing to do with her looks, bra size, weight, or anything else of a personal nature. There is not a single one of you, being honest with yourself, that would not be aggravated if someone started firing in the direction of your home and was less than 500' away. It is like the old adage "It is legal but is it ethical or safe?" Her house and other houses were there before he built his range. Who here can honestly say they would have built as he did? I wouldn't have. Safety first is more than just a slogan, it is a way of life.
She came to this forum to defend herself and her actions from the first few posts. She is a smart, intelligent, stand up woman who obviously threatens the testosterone levels of a lot of you guys. It is obvious she does not intimidate easily and stands up for herself. This is the kind of standup woman we want on our side not some mamby pamby wishy washy woman who cowers and hides at the first sign of trouble.
You don't know anything about her except she has good lucks and a great body. You don't have to agree with her but you also don't need to be making personal attacks of a sexual nature. I figure most of these are from fat, old, paunch gut men who haven't seen their small dicks in years and will never have the pleasure of having such a pretty woman on your arm while walking down the street. Prove me wrong.
Jim
Soooooo you have a crush on the drama queen and are soliciting for dick pics?
I doubt it, but he has some class unlike most of the bozos here, dont type it if you wont say it to someones face.... doubtful we have all the facts. and in the end it doesn't matter one bit what we think, its just a opinion. Amazing the remarks someone will say.... wonder how they treat their own family, or if they kick there dog when they wander out of their trailer in the morning to scratch there ball sacks... once they find them.
Rockingbbar’s post showed class. Batman’s had a bunch of snarky insults. The irony should not need pointed out. For the record I never insulted her, simply asked if there was a link for nudes. Given the nature of pics already provided that is not out of line.
Ymmv
And for what reason did you want nude pics...? ..... eh, just askin....
Billygoat, you are a low class a$$hole. That pretty sums it up. There was nothing snarky. Just facts. Post a pic of yourself proving me wrong if you dare.
The road in front of my house has cars driving up and down it all day and some even after dark! There are no barriers, there is nothing to stop a car if one were to turn and head off the road.
They could hit my house, worse yet they could hit one of my children!
The state needs to do something about this it's so dangerous and nobody will listen to me...
They either need to put an end to cars driving on these roads or build barriers strong enough to hold cars back to save my poor family...
Good fences make good neighbors?
We live at the end of a curve on a rural, 55mph, road, just as it straightens out again. Car come around that bend fast sometimes. I wonder if some big rocks from the quarry/gravel pit are called for. The neighbor 1/4 mile down the road runs cows, few times a year the semis hauling them in and out come around that curve. If one were to leave the road, it could get messy.
Oh, the joys of living rural. Or even semi rural, Or suburban. Or urban. Or in a skyscraper.
fugginneighbors fugginupeveryfugginthing..................just like the Chinese.
The road in front of my house has cars driving up and down it all day and some even after dark! There are no barriers, there is nothing to stop a car if one were to turn and head off the road.
They could hit my house, worse yet they could hit one of my children!
The state needs to do something about this it's so dangerous and nobody will listen to me...
They either need to put an end to cars driving on these roads or build barriers strong enough to hold cars back to save my poor family...
Do you actually think before you start typing.....? How long have you been retarded...? OH, never mind as that may be a difficult question, how about, how old are you?
Do you have any pics of this? I'd really like to see it as it sounds pretty interesting.
No pics, but anyone with a few brain cells to rub together should be able to figure it out. Go to a trucking company or a big truck tire shop and scavenge up about a dozen worn out tires. They'll probably give them to you. Build a wood or metal rack that puts the hole in the tire at shooting bench height and stand the tires up side by side. Drill holes in the sidewalls and bolt them together with fender washers so you create a long tube.to shoot through. The air chambers of the tires create a series of baffles to absorb the pressure waves that cause the sound to travel. It's just like a suppressor on steroids. A side benefit is that it creates a glare-proof tunnel so you can shoot with the sun behind the target- - - -no glare that wipes out the scope picture. Jerry
Won't work to solve her problem. The loudest noise comes from the sonic boom of the bullet. A 50BMG is still supersonic after it leaves the tires.
And it won't solve the ricochet problem down range. I'm no expert but I've been associated with two ranges that had ricochet problems from rifle bullets off the berm. I don't think the range inthe photo is safe.
Get range safety guidlines from the NRA and then file an injunction. Shouldn't matter if there is a Florida statute. The issue is endangering lives, not following some ordnance.
Indy,
You really need to stop displaying your ignorance on this one. As has already been pointed out, anyone, who during their time in the service, or at long range matches, has worked down range pit duty, and had bullets fly directly over their head at supersonic speeds, knows you above claim JUST ISN'T TRUE.
AS: All I can say is that, as an NRA-classified Lifetime Master in High Power Rifle since 1961, I've been in the pits while thousands of rounds went about 6 feet over my head. The firing line was 200 yards away. the "crack" from the bullet was MUCH LOUDER than the rifle's report, which was heard a fraction of a second later.
Now it may be that the berm (behind me) absorbs some of the sound of the rifle's report. But consider this: The impact area (in front of me) at my club is about 50 feet high, with the bullets impacting near the bottom. Behind that is a street about 600 feet away. One time I was on that street during a rapid fire (about 4 shooters firing 40 shots total in 60 seconds) match. I thought the sound was pretty loud and obnoxious.
Sometimes while in the pits I've seen bullets ricochet and hit the hill in back, about 10 feet or so up from the initial impact. I don't think the so-called berm in the photo at the start of this thread would provide protection from such a ricochet.
I think this about covers it:
Originally Posted by renegade50
Time to chime in!!!!
Fugging rds zipping by ya sound like a green branch loudly snapping. Thats about it..... BTDT all over this planet in training and in firefights.
It aint a fugging F16 nearing the sound barrier and then breaking it Immediately over your position...
Not some fugging hearing destroying schitt like some wanta think. JFC.......
What destroys your hearing is concussive repeative shearing pulse muzzle blast. Especially in close proximity of the effects of it on the immediate flanks of a gun muzzle... Backing off the edge of a adjacent wpn system being fired even 1 or 2 ft when you find yourself in that circumstance. Your fugging bell wont be rocked as severely or at all....
BTDT Way too many times to count. And sometimes you cant fugging move or its an after the fact event.
Oh P.S...... Graduate of 24 yrs of service in the Infantry. Holder of surface danger zone training certificates. Holder of ammo67/range hazmat certificates. Holder of aerial and indirect fires coordination certificates. Small arms and manuver range operator and repairer to include shoot house,s. 9mm to .50 for 3 yrs after I retired at FTCKY. Turned down Goat fugg Montgomery County shooting complex range directors job.
Now back to the " Why cant I get my way Mistykins show"
you have a problem, and in your opinion a serious problem. And you are quite possibly right. Good luck with getting a judge to agree with you that the neighbor's range is "unsafe", and having that judge agree to stop him from using it in the manner he is using.
From everything you've posted so far, it would appear he has the "right" to shoot on his property. It may not be safe, or neighborly. But, from what you, and a couple of others, have posted, it seems in FL he has the legal right to shoot on his property.
I have the legal right on my property to buy a chain saw and start cutting down trees. Without wearing hearing protection, gloves, chaps, etc. It may not be safe, but it is legal. I can even cut down trees with no training in felling a tree whatsoever. I can cut them right next to my neighbor's fence. I can do it during all legal hours to make that kind of noise. I can leave them to turn brown and rot into the ground in an unsightly manner directly in front of my neighbor's picture window. Until I drop one on one of the neighbors' fences, or damage their property, there is not much they can do.
I have empty lots around me. If a new neighbor moves in across the street and decides to get a donkey or 6, not much I can do except listen to donkey music.
In my experience, neighbors can either be a great addition to life...................or a complete pain in the ass. Usually more of the latter than the former.
Best of luck dealing with someone who likely bought his 5 acres in order to get away from folks that didn't like him shooting on his property. It would seem that the two parties involved here made some decisions that didn't work out well for either party.
you have a problem, and in your opinion a serious problem. And you are quite possibly right. Good luck with getting a judge to agree with you that the neighbor's range is "unsafe", and having that judge agree to stop him from using it in the manner he is using.
From everything you've posted so far, it would appear he has the "right" to shoot on his property. It may not be safe, or neighborly. But, from what you, and a couple of others, have posted, it seems in FL he has the legal right to shoot on his property.
I have the legal right on my property to buy a chain saw and start cutting down trees. Without wearing hearing protection, gloves, chaps, etc. It may not be safe, but it is legal. I can even cut down trees with no training in felling a tree whatsoever. I can cut them right next to my neighbor's fence. I can do it during all legal hours to make that kind of noise. I can leave them to turn brown and rot into the ground in an unsightly manner directly in front of my neighbor's picture window. Until I drop one on one of the neighbors' fences, or damage their property, there is not much they can do.
I have empty lots around me. If a new neighbor moves in across the street and decides to get a donkey or 6, not much I can do except listen to donkey music.
In my experience, neighbors can either be a great addition to life...................or a complete pain in the ass. Usually more of the latter than the former.
Best of luck dealing with someone who likely bought his 5 acres in order to get away from folks that didn't like him shooting on his property. It would seem that the two parties involved here made some decisions that didn't work out well for either party.
Thanks Valsdad you are correct that right now the way it is written it is legal and he has been warned that once anything crosses property lines he is no longer legal, we are just trying to either get him to make a proper back stop like he said or turn it because with the caliber and fully auto he is currently shooting and as close as these houses are, there sadly just isn't room for that kind of error so we would like to correct the situation before it's too late, and you would think he would want to as well but his words were " it's a risk he was willing to take" .
1 Any parent truly concerned that their child is in danger moves the child out of danger right the fugg now.
Said parent does not send said child out to play in the perceived danger zone, and dare the neighbor to injure said child. Unless, of course, it is supposed that said injury would be a furtherance toward litigation.
So, one of two things is true. Either the mother does not truly believe any danger exists, or else the mother is willing to sacrifice the life of the child in her vendetta against the offending neighbor.
2 Is any person struck in the head by a 60 gr bullet at 2900 fps, or a 150 gr bullet at 2900 fps any less dead than a person struck in the head by a 750 gr bullet at 2900 fps? Is the person less dead if said bullet is fired from a Ruger #1, than if it were fired from an AR 15, than if it were fired from an M-16?
Since the answers to these questions are plainly obvious to any with an IQ above 80, why then all the rhetoric about "50 BMG", "military grade", and "full auto" weapons? Looking for sympathy votes from the woefully ill-informed?
3 Claims of hearing loss suffered from inside a house by gunfire situated 500 ft from her house? By a person who claims to be an avid shooter?
That would be like me suing my employer for my hearing loss when I spent years running chainsaws, riding dirt bikes, and a lifetime shooting guns. It is not going to fly.
I would suggest such a compainant purchase a recording graph sound meter and demonstrate a history of sustained sound levels inside her home in excess of 80 decibels, and demonstrate that the source of that sustained noise level is the neighbor's gunfire.
I would guess that is not happening. Claims of hearing loss attributed to the neighbor's gunfire are spurious at best, most likely malicious.
Hint: My benchrest is about sixty feet from the master bedroom window in our mobile home. My wife usually is not even aware that I am shooting the 22-250, 243, 6MM, or 260. She does hear the 30-06, and she definitely heard when I was shooting a MK V in 340 Wea with a Wea muzzle brake installed. Oh, no she does not suffer any hearing loss.
Since sound dissipates at a cube rate with distance, the muzzle blast is 1/125,000,000 as loud at 500 feet as it is at one foot. It is exponential, man! (I am welcome to any more versed in physics to correct me if I am mistaken in this calculation) The "Sonic Crack" of the bullet has no relevance, as it never passes over the house in question.
Someone here is throwing a whole lot of schitt against the wall in hopes some of it will stick.
And, who the hell knows? With the preponderance of liberal anti gun judges infesting our courts today, she just might win. Everyone in the county might very well end up driving fifty miles to find a place to legally fire a weapon.
Shes exhausted every possible news source so now shes down to posting on the Fire.....
What Rambo Barbie Isn't Saying Here
Rural gun range puts Weeki Wachee neighbors at odds
“I’m all for guns. Some of my friends call me Rambo Barbie,” Misty Cintron said........................
The owner of the range that’s being built is going above and beyond - spending tens of thousands of dollars to make sure that the range is safe.
In a statement, Hernando County Code Enforcement said the owner is working with those officials to make sure the range meets requirements, which he says will include an 18-foot-high dirt berm. He also plans to build a 40-foot backstop wall on top of the berm.
Neighbors Oppose Private Gun Range in Weeki Wachee Neighborhood
The range owner told his neighbors he owns a range of firearms from .22 to .50 caliber that shoot a variety of bullets. He said he made sure when buying the rural property that he would be able to shoot guns on it and that safety is his top priority in building the range.
According to him, a backstop has been built that's currently 18 feet tall. He said he plans to apply for an engineering permit to continue adding onto it, and that the backstop will ultimately be 40-45 feet tall.
A Hernando County Sheriff's Office report dated Oct. 30 states that the backstop met and exceeded safety requirements based on the condition of the range at the time. It also noted that the owner appeared to be following the state law that addresses recreational shooting in a residential area.
Hernando County Code Enforcement said the owner wasn't in violation as far as land use.
Neighbors said another issue is that the range points in the direction of their homes. Misty Cintron said about 240 feet of woods separated the range from her home -- too close for comfort.
The property owner said he offered to turn the range slightly, but that neighbors didn't like that idea, either.
"No crime has happened, no law has been broken, but we still feel we are in dire peril," said neighbors.
Florida Man Frightens Neighbors by Building Backyard Gun Range
In a Friday report, neighbor Misty Cintron told WFTS that her family began to fear for their safety two weeks ago when they noticed their neighbor building a gun range near their home in rural Weeki Wachi, Florida.............................. ...........Florida law allows homeowners to build and use a shooting range as long as their land extends beyond an acre. Cintron's property is less than an acre, so shooting a weapon from her property would be illegal. However, her neighbor is legally allowed to build the range and fire weapons because he is on a larger piece of land.......................... ..........................."The fact that he can shoot at me, and I can't shoot at him is not equal protection," said Cintron to the outlet. "The fact that there is not a clear distance, and he is shooting military-grade weapons that are not accessible to the average person in Florida, that's not equal protection. My local enforcement is not able to fully protect me, so they are violating my right my civil rights."
The man claims the range poses no threat to his neighbors. Cintron disagrees, and suggests that bullets and shrapnel could easily make it onto her property....................... .............The range owner, who is said to be a legally licensed commercial gun dealer, claims he plans to make improvements to the barrier. The man claims that he offered to move it "slightly to the right."
Florida Couple Flips Out Over Neighbor’s Backyard Range
One couple in Florida are learning this the hard way, after a neighbor began building a 100-yard range on his property behind their house in Weeki Wachee.
Cintron and her husband Jason said they built a home in the rural community for a better life. A few weeks ago, they noticed a large clearing behind their house.
“The fact that he can shoot at me, and I can’t shoot at him is not equal protection. The fact that there is not a clear distance, and he is shooting military-grade weapons that are not accessible to the average person in Florida, that’s not equal protection. My local enforcement is not able to fully protect me, so they are violating my right my civil rights.”
First of all, Cintron’s neighbor isn’t going to be shooting “at her.” He says the backstop is going to be 45 feet high, which will be more than enough to prevent any bullet from going anywhere near Cintron’s home. I don’t even know what she means when she says he’s shooting “military grade weapons” that the average civilian can’t get their hands on, but the gentleman in question told WFTS-TV in Florida most of his shooting will be using handguns.
Cintron said the county informed her Thursday night the county found no code or statutory violations with the building of the gun range. The builder told us he plans to finish the home and range in the next 10 months. He invited us out to shoot and verify for ourselves how safe it was.
Cintron said he invited her too. She isn’t taking him up on that offer.
“My daughter is going to be fully prepared to at my death to take on the state that they failed me,” Cintron said.
Before I go any further, let me say that I am somewhat sympathetic to Cintron and her husband. When they moved in, they were expecting a quiet rural place. Now a guy’s building his personal gun range with a firing line about 175 yards from their house. Their life will undoubtably change once this guy moves in and starts shooting, and they’re probably going to be miserable. That sucks, and if I hated the sound of gun fire and didn’t want my neighbor to have a backyard range that backed up to my property, I’d probably be looking for another place I could move into within the next ten months.
However, the homeowner’s not doing anything against the law. He’s within his rights to have a range on his property, and Cintron is not, because her parcel of land isn’t big enough. He’s building his range safely, and there’ve been no code violations. More importantly, if this guy really wanted to hurt Cintron, as she seems to believe is the case, I don’t think he’d go through all the trouble of building a range in his backyard, and then try to fake an accidental and negligent shooting.
I’m guessing this guy is exactly what he told Cintron he was; a dude who’s excited and happy about having a place on his property where he can go shoot safely. I totally get it; it’s a wonderful feeling. In fact, just thinking about it makes me want to cut this piece short and head down to my shooting spot, but I will force myself to push through and reward myself with a quick trip to empty a few magazines as soon as this gets posted.
Should he have moved the range to make the couple happy, even if that meant shortening the range to 75 yards? I don’t think I would have, because if I were this guy, I wouldn’t be convinced that the move would ultimately satisfy the Cintrons.
This couple went to the local news station hoping for sympathy because they have no legal recourse.
While I don’t think Cintron’s in any danger from her neighbor’s backyard range, at least based on what I’ve seen, she will be hearing gunshots on a regular basis, and from not too far away. Her neighbor is doing his due diligence to ensure the range is safe, but I don’t know what he’ll be able to do about the sound short of using suppressors. You just know as soon as that range starts getting used the local TV station’s getting another call. https://bearingarms.com/cam-e/2019/11/23/florida-couple-flips-out-over-neighbors-backyard-range/
This is a classic scenario regardless of a gun range. Homeowner ‘A’ buys a rural property an acre or two in size. They assume the current land use of their neighbors (or lack thereof) will remain the same. The surrounding land use changes or develops and homeowner ‘A’ get pissy. Buy a bigger piece of land next time.sorry
Do you have any pics of this? I'd really like to see it as it sounds pretty interesting.
No pics, but anyone with a few brain cells to rub together should be able to figure it out. Go to a trucking company or a big truck tire shop and scavenge up about a dozen worn out tires. They'll probably give them to you. Build a wood or metal rack that puts the hole in the tire at shooting bench height and stand the tires up side by side. Drill holes in the sidewalls and bolt them together with fender washers so you create a long tube.to shoot through. The air chambers of the tires create a series of baffles to absorb the pressure waves that cause the sound to travel. It's just like a suppressor on steroids. A side benefit is that it creates a glare-proof tunnel so you can shoot with the sun behind the target- - - -no glare that wipes out the scope picture. Jerry
Won't work to solve her problem. The loudest noise comes from the sonic boom of the bullet. A 50BMG is still supersonic after it leaves the tires.
And it won't solve the ricochet problem down range. I'm no expert but I've been associated with two ranges that had ricochet problems from rifle bullets off the berm. I don't think the range inthe photo is safe.
Get range safety guidlines from the NRA and then file an injunction. Shouldn't matter if there is a Florida statute. The issue is endangering lives, not following some ordnance.
Indy,
You really need to stop displaying your ignorance on this one. As has already been pointed out, anyone, who during their time in the service, or at long range matches, has worked down range pit duty, and had bullets fly directly over their head at supersonic speeds, knows you above claim JUST ISN'T TRUE.
AS: All I can say is that, as an NRA-classified Lifetime Master in High Power Rifle since 1961, I've been in the pits while thousands of rounds went about 6 feet over my head. The firing line was 200 yards away. the "crack" from the bullet was MUCH LOUDER than the rifle's report, which was heard a fraction of a second later.
Now it may be that the berm (behind me) absorbs some of the sound of the rifle's report. But consider this: The impact area (in front of me) at my club is about 50 feet high, with the bullets impacting near the bottom. Behind that is a street about 600 feet away. One time I was on that street during a rapid fire (about 4 shooters firing 40 shots total in 60 seconds) match. I thought the sound was pretty loud and obnoxious.
Sometimes while in the pits I've seen bullets ricochet and hit the hill in back, about 10 feet or so up from the initial impact. I don't think the so-called berm in the photo at the start of this thread would provide protection from such a ricochet.
I think this about covers it:
Originally Posted by renegade50
Time to chime in!!!!
Fugging rds zipping by ya sound like a green branch loudly snapping. Thats about it..... BTDT all over this planet in training and in firefights.
It aint a fugging F16 nearing the sound barrier and then breaking it Immediately over your position...
Not some fugging hearing destroying schitt like some wanta think. JFC.......
What destroys your hearing is concussive repeative shearing pulse muzzle blast. Especially in close proximity of the effects of it on the immediate flanks of a gun muzzle... Backing off the edge of a adjacent wpn system being fired even 1 or 2 ft when you find yourself in that circumstance. Your fugging bell wont be rocked as severely or at all....
BTDT Way too many times to count. And sometimes you cant fugging move or its an after the fact event.
Oh P.S...... Graduate of 24 yrs of service in the Infantry. Holder of surface danger zone training certificates. Holder of ammo67/range hazmat certificates. Holder of aerial and indirect fires coordination certificates. Small arms and manuver range operator and repairer to include shoot house,s. 9mm to .50 for 3 yrs after I retired at FTCKY. Turned down Goat fugg Montgomery County shooting complex range directors job.
Now back to the " Why cant I get my way Mistykins show"
LMFAO!!!!!
AS: Don't think so.
Everyone in our pits wears hearing protection.
Why would anyone who was in the infantry know anything? My son is a field grade infantry officer (I'd bet Renegade wasn't). The infantry nowadays barely ever shoots their rifles and most of them are very poor shots. A bunch of my civilian friends who had lots of leg points (that's a credential for being a good shot) were asked to volunteer to go to Ft. Benning and train the the instructors how to train troops how to shoot 77 grain SMKs. Most of the troops didn't know how to adjust M16 sights and some didn't even know they were adjustable.
Shes exhausted every possible news source so now shes down to posting on the Fire.....
What Rambo Barbie Isn't Saying Here
Rural gun range puts Weeki Wachee neighbors at odds
“I’m all for guns. Some of my friends call me Rambo Barbie,” Misty Cintron said........................
The owner of the range that’s being built is going above and beyond - spending tens of thousands of dollars to make sure that the range is safe.
In a statement, Hernando County Code Enforcement said the owner is working with those officials to make sure the range meets requirements, which he says will include an 18-foot-high dirt berm. He also plans to build a 40-foot backstop wall on top of the berm.
Neighbors Oppose Private Gun Range in Weeki Wachee Neighborhood
The range owner told his neighbors he owns a range of firearms from .22 to .50 caliber that shoot a variety of bullets. He said he made sure when buying the rural property that he would be able to shoot guns on it and that safety is his top priority in building the range.
According to him, a backstop has been built that's currently 18 feet tall. He said he plans to apply for an engineering permit to continue adding onto it, and that the backstop will ultimately be 40-45 feet tall.
A Hernando County Sheriff's Office report dated Oct. 30 states that the backstop met and exceeded safety requirements based on the condition of the range at the time. It also noted that the owner appeared to be following the state law that addresses recreational shooting in a residential area.
Hernando County Code Enforcement said the owner wasn't in violation as far as land use.
Neighbors said another issue is that the range points in the direction of their homes. Misty Cintron said about 240 feet of woods separated the range from her home -- too close for comfort.
The property owner said he offered to turn the range slightly, but that neighbors didn't like that idea, either.
"No crime has happened, no law has been broken, but we still feel we are in dire peril," said neighbors.
Florida Man Frightens Neighbors by Building Backyard Gun Range
In a Friday report, neighbor Misty Cintron told WFTS that her family began to fear for their safety two weeks ago when they noticed their neighbor building a gun range near their home in rural Weeki Wachi, Florida.............................. ...........Florida law allows homeowners to build and use a shooting range as long as their land extends beyond an acre. Cintron's property is less than an acre, so shooting a weapon from her property would be illegal. However, her neighbor is legally allowed to build the range and fire weapons because he is on a larger piece of land.......................... ..........................."The fact that he can shoot at me, and I can't shoot at him is not equal protection," said Cintron to the outlet. "The fact that there is not a clear distance, and he is shooting military-grade weapons that are not accessible to the average person in Florida, that's not equal protection. My local enforcement is not able to fully protect me, so they are violating my right my civil rights."
The man claims the range poses no threat to his neighbors. Cintron disagrees, and suggests that bullets and shrapnel could easily make it onto her property....................... .............The range owner, who is said to be a legally licensed commercial gun dealer, claims he plans to make improvements to the barrier. The man claims that he offered to move it "slightly to the right."
Florida Couple Flips Out Over Neighbor’s Backyard Range
One couple in Florida are learning this the hard way, after a neighbor began building a 100-yard range on his property behind their house in Weeki Wachee.
Cintron and her husband Jason said they built a home in the rural community for a better life. A few weeks ago, they noticed a large clearing behind their house.
“The fact that he can shoot at me, and I can’t shoot at him is not equal protection. The fact that there is not a clear distance, and he is shooting military-grade weapons that are not accessible to the average person in Florida, that’s not equal protection. My local enforcement is not able to fully protect me, so they are violating my right my civil rights.”
First of all, Cintron’s neighbor isn’t going to be shooting “at her.” He says the backstop is going to be 45 feet high, which will be more than enough to prevent any bullet from going anywhere near Cintron’s home. I don’t even know what she means when she says he’s shooting “military grade weapons” that the average civilian can’t get their hands on, but the gentleman in question told WFTS-TV in Florida most of his shooting will be using handguns.
Cintron said the county informed her Thursday night the county found no code or statutory violations with the building of the gun range. The builder told us he plans to finish the home and range in the next 10 months. He invited us out to shoot and verify for ourselves how safe it was.
Cintron said he invited her too. She isn’t taking him up on that offer.
“My daughter is going to be fully prepared to at my death to take on the state that they failed me,” Cintron said.
Before I go any further, let me say that I am somewhat sympathetic to Cintron and her husband. When they moved in, they were expecting a quiet rural place. Now a guy’s building his personal gun range with a firing line about 175 yards from their house. Their life will undoubtably change once this guy moves in and starts shooting, and they’re probably going to be miserable. That sucks, and if I hated the sound of gun fire and didn’t want my neighbor to have a backyard range that backed up to my property, I’d probably be looking for another place I could move into within the next ten months.
However, the homeowner’s not doing anything against the law. He’s within his rights to have a range on his property, and Cintron is not, because her parcel of land isn’t big enough. He’s building his range safely, and there’ve been no code violations. More importantly, if this guy really wanted to hurt Cintron, as she seems to believe is the case, I don’t think he’d go through all the trouble of building a range in his backyard, and then try to fake an accidental and negligent shooting.
I’m guessing this guy is exactly what he told Cintron he was; a dude who’s excited and happy about having a place on his property where he can go shoot safely. I totally get it; it’s a wonderful feeling. In fact, just thinking about it makes me want to cut this piece short and head down to my shooting spot, but I will force myself to push through and reward myself with a quick trip to empty a few magazines as soon as this gets posted.
Should he have moved the range to make the couple happy, even if that meant shortening the range to 75 yards? I don’t think I would have, because if I were this guy, I wouldn’t be convinced that the move would ultimately satisfy the Cintrons.
This couple went to the local news station hoping for sympathy because they have no legal recourse.
While I don’t think Cintron’s in any danger from her neighbor’s backyard range, at least based on what I’ve seen, she will be hearing gunshots on a regular basis, and from not too far away. Her neighbor is doing his due diligence to ensure the range is safe, but I don’t know what he’ll be able to do about the sound short of using suppressors. You just know as soon as that range starts getting used the local TV station’s getting another call. https://bearingarms.com/cam-e/2019/11/23/florida-couple-flips-out-over-neighbors-backyard-range/
Well Sparky at least I'm not a keyboard warrior hiding behind a fake name.
For the record I also only interviewed with Fox News and ABC the other news stories didn't interview me at all. I do love how the owner said back in October though he was going to do all these things to make it safe and guess what??? Yep, wait for it..... he hasn't done a single one, you know public records can show whether a permit was pulled to built that 45 ft wall that doesn't exist that he told the media he was building as well if your IQ was over 2 and you knew how to do anything other than Google my name . The pictures someone one else posted that were taken just in February also show no 45 ft wall either all lies and we already discussed the sheriff dept deputies are not qualified to access whether a range is properly constructed, our attorney already pointed that out as well that they have no certifications or qualifications to make that call and their attorney advised that portion should not have been in the report, it was that deputy's personal opinion not that of the Sheriff Dept legal( cause God knows they want to cover their ass after that remark too if something happens they don't want to be the ones pinned that they signed off on it).
Again I'm only one of several houses out here who retained the same attorney and reached out to the State legislative but carry on you little keyboard warrior with your brave aka sparky fake name, you're such a big brave guy hiding behind that fake name and keyboard you remind me of a chihuahua a neighbor once had I'm done debating with you, I was told you can teach others but you can't fix ignorance and your character has showed that you are just a low class, ignorant, sexist, keyboard warrior so pound away on your response to this one because I won't bite back, you're not worthy or capable of having an intelligent let alone civilized conversation, you're "that guy" ...
There were several valid points on this thread some of which I will take with me and ponder but none of them were yours so trust me when you type all I hear is blah blah blahhhhh cause as I told you several pages ago until you are ready to stand down range on my property line and allow them to shoot at you with the same hole in the ground berm and no upper back stop then you're just a squawking bird, a little finch among crows and I guess that makes me the Hawk because I don't hide behind a fake name, a keyboard or ignorance. I am the one who is 240 ft down range being shot towards with no upper berm and hearing the blast. I am one of the several houses out here who put my money where my mouth was and lawyer-ed up .
I came on here to give our ( the several homes out here not just mine) view, some were able to see some valid points and take away and then there were ones like you who went totally off the rail and looked up my pictures from my personal social media pages and consider swimwear soft porn ( apparently you've never been to a Florida beach ) you couldn't keep to the topic you had to keep straying and just making it personal attacks on me which just shows your character not mine. It just shows you cannot have a reasonable conversation so any reply you make will be overlooked moving forward...
This is a classic scenario regardless of a gun range. Homeowner ‘A’ buys a rural property an acre or two in size. They assume the current land use of their neighbors (or lack thereof) will remain the same. The surrounding land use changes or develops and homeowner ‘A’ get pissy. Buy a bigger piece of land next time.sorry
wrong we looked into our lot before we bought and the land beside us is not zoned for rifle or sport shooting range, HE should've bought a lot that was larger and not up against one of the most desired residential neighborhoods in our county where several homes would take action against him for it. We have private ranges on some of the other out skirt areas as well, no one is suing them or complaining about them,, you know why.. because they were smart enough to aim their berms away from homes rather than our guy who pointed it in the one direction of his property that faces everyone's homes out here. We asked him to turn it in the beginning and he chose not to,
As for women voting, you and Aka Sparky should get together you are clearly intimidated by a woman who probably makes more than you and clearly has much more intelligence than you with a comment like that
Makes you wonder about all the other potential ranges that may pop up in the area in future.
We had the other problem with suburbia creeping into the area of a long established range - safety complaints were unfounded so mainly complaints about noise now. Moron house buyers obviously didn't hear the gun fire during the inspections. We were here first and are winning the battle - they've been whinging for a long time now but seem to be able to cry themselves to sleep at night okay.
just because its legal, that doesn't make it right. if that guy knew he wanted a range, he should have bought more rural. he's a self-centered dickhead.
and ain't no way he's doing a 50 foot embankment. it would need a huge amount of space to get it that high.
This is a classic scenario regardless of a gun range. Homeowner ‘A’ buys a rural property an acre or two in size. They assume the current land use of their neighbors (or lack thereof) will remain the same. The surrounding land use changes or develops and homeowner ‘A’ get pissy. Buy a bigger piece of land next time.sorry
wrong we looked into our lot before we bought and the land beside us is not zoned for rifle or sport shooting range, HE should've bought a lot that was larger and not up against one of the most desired residential neighborhoods in our county where several homes would take action against him for it. We have private ranges on some of the other out skirt areas as well, no one is suing them or complaining about them,, you know why.. because they were smart enough to aim their berms away from homes rather than our guy who pointed it in the one direction of his property that faces everyone's homes out here. We asked him to turn it in the beginning and he chose not to,
As for women voting, you and Aka Sparky should get together you are clearly intimidated by a woman who probably makes more than you and clearly has much more intelligence than you with a comment like that
I watched your video. Rode hard and put away wet came to mind watching you. Nobody that uses your argument of your neighbor’s gun range should be allowed to vote. Better?
Makes you wonder about all the other potential ranges that may pop up in the area in future.
We had the other problem with suburbia creeping into the area of a long established range - safety complaints were unfounded so mainly complaints about noise now. Moron house buyers obviously didn't hear the gun fire during the inspections. We were here first and are winning the battle - they've been whinging for a long time now but seem to be able to cry themselves to sleep at night okay.
we have plenty of other ranges out here and no issue with them, one guy shoots nightly another 15 minutes he should be starting up in fact ... no issue at all
The issue with this one is it is aimed at houses and he has NO upper berm at all he has a hole he dug out and that is great if you were firing a hand gun down in the hole but when you are shooting a 50 bmg and your are a 100 yds down range also on level ground and you have no upper berm or back stop that is reckless. Any rifle actually you would shoot from down on the level ground because if you're site is off then where is that stray heading?
We could argue that our house was here first as well all the other other houses out here minus the 4 new additions that just went up the past few year and he admitted he could see our house when he dug his range so why would one point in in the one direction that has nothing but houses? He didn't want to point it in the direction that was aimed at literally nothing there is a 5 acre, then a 10 acre which butts up to a 100 acre trust no houses on any of them and we asked him to face it that way and he felt he would lose 25 ft and didn't want to do that so it's not the houses out here weren't willing to try to work with him, there was only one house that was truly upset about the noise and we had him to the point he was willing to settle for him turning him but now that man is on a mission, if you all think I'm ruthless, be glad he won't waste his time on social media he is busy contacting engineers, experts, the attorney... he is retired and making a full new career out of this.
Shes exhausted every possible news source so now shes down to posting on the Fire.....
What Rambo Barbie Isn't Saying Here
Rural gun range puts Weeki Wachee neighbors at odds
“I’m all for guns. Some of my friends call me Rambo Barbie,” Misty Cintron said........................
The owner of the range that’s being built is going above and beyond - spending tens of thousands of dollars to make sure that the range is safe.
In a statement, Hernando County Code Enforcement said the owner is working with those officials to make sure the range meets requirements, which he says will include an 18-foot-high dirt berm. He also plans to build a 40-foot backstop wall on top of the berm.
Neighbors Oppose Private Gun Range in Weeki Wachee Neighborhood
The range owner told his neighbors he owns a range of firearms from .22 to .50 caliber that shoot a variety of bullets. He said he made sure when buying the rural property that he would be able to shoot guns on it and that safety is his top priority in building the range.
According to him, a backstop has been built that's currently 18 feet tall. He said he plans to apply for an engineering permit to continue adding onto it, and that the backstop will ultimately be 40-45 feet tall.
A Hernando County Sheriff's Office report dated Oct. 30 states that the backstop met and exceeded safety requirements based on the condition of the range at the time. It also noted that the owner appeared to be following the state law that addresses recreational shooting in a residential area.
Hernando County Code Enforcement said the owner wasn't in violation as far as land use.
Neighbors said another issue is that the range points in the direction of their homes. Misty Cintron said about 240 feet of woods separated the range from her home -- too close for comfort.
The property owner said he offered to turn the range slightly, but that neighbors didn't like that idea, either.
"No crime has happened, no law has been broken, but we still feel we are in dire peril," said neighbors.
Florida Man Frightens Neighbors by Building Backyard Gun Range
In a Friday report, neighbor Misty Cintron told WFTS that her family began to fear for their safety two weeks ago when they noticed their neighbor building a gun range near their home in rural Weeki Wachi, Florida.............................. ...........Florida law allows homeowners to build and use a shooting range as long as their land extends beyond an acre. Cintron's property is less than an acre, so shooting a weapon from her property would be illegal. However, her neighbor is legally allowed to build the range and fire weapons because he is on a larger piece of land.......................... ..........................."The fact that he can shoot at me, and I can't shoot at him is not equal protection," said Cintron to the outlet. "The fact that there is not a clear distance, and he is shooting military-grade weapons that are not accessible to the average person in Florida, that's not equal protection. My local enforcement is not able to fully protect me, so they are violating my right my civil rights."
The man claims the range poses no threat to his neighbors. Cintron disagrees, and suggests that bullets and shrapnel could easily make it onto her property....................... .............The range owner, who is said to be a legally licensed commercial gun dealer, claims he plans to make improvements to the barrier. The man claims that he offered to move it "slightly to the right."
Florida Couple Flips Out Over Neighbor’s Backyard Range
One couple in Florida are learning this the hard way, after a neighbor began building a 100-yard range on his property behind their house in Weeki Wachee.
Cintron and her husband Jason said they built a home in the rural community for a better life. A few weeks ago, they noticed a large clearing behind their house.
“The fact that he can shoot at me, and I can’t shoot at him is not equal protection. The fact that there is not a clear distance, and he is shooting military-grade weapons that are not accessible to the average person in Florida, that’s not equal protection. My local enforcement is not able to fully protect me, so they are violating my right my civil rights.”
First of all, Cintron’s neighbor isn’t going to be shooting “at her.” He says the backstop is going to be 45 feet high, which will be more than enough to prevent any bullet from going anywhere near Cintron’s home. I don’t even know what she means when she says he’s shooting “military grade weapons” that the average civilian can’t get their hands on, but the gentleman in question told WFTS-TV in Florida most of his shooting will be using handguns.
Cintron said the county informed her Thursday night the county found no code or statutory violations with the building of the gun range. The builder told us he plans to finish the home and range in the next 10 months. He invited us out to shoot and verify for ourselves how safe it was.
Cintron said he invited her too. She isn’t taking him up on that offer.
“My daughter is going to be fully prepared to at my death to take on the state that they failed me,” Cintron said.
Before I go any further, let me say that I am somewhat sympathetic to Cintron and her husband. When they moved in, they were expecting a quiet rural place. Now a guy’s building his personal gun range with a firing line about 175 yards from their house. Their life will undoubtably change once this guy moves in and starts shooting, and they’re probably going to be miserable. That sucks, and if I hated the sound of gun fire and didn’t want my neighbor to have a backyard range that backed up to my property, I’d probably be looking for another place I could move into within the next ten months.
However, the homeowner’s not doing anything against the law. He’s within his rights to have a range on his property, and Cintron is not, because her parcel of land isn’t big enough. He’s building his range safely, and there’ve been no code violations. More importantly, if this guy really wanted to hurt Cintron, as she seems to believe is the case, I don’t think he’d go through all the trouble of building a range in his backyard, and then try to fake an accidental and negligent shooting.
I’m guessing this guy is exactly what he told Cintron he was; a dude who’s excited and happy about having a place on his property where he can go shoot safely. I totally get it; it’s a wonderful feeling. In fact, just thinking about it makes me want to cut this piece short and head down to my shooting spot, but I will force myself to push through and reward myself with a quick trip to empty a few magazines as soon as this gets posted.
Should he have moved the range to make the couple happy, even if that meant shortening the range to 75 yards? I don’t think I would have, because if I were this guy, I wouldn’t be convinced that the move would ultimately satisfy the Cintrons.
This couple went to the local news station hoping for sympathy because they have no legal recourse.
While I don’t think Cintron’s in any danger from her neighbor’s backyard range, at least based on what I’ve seen, she will be hearing gunshots on a regular basis, and from not too far away. Her neighbor is doing his due diligence to ensure the range is safe, but I don’t know what he’ll be able to do about the sound short of using suppressors. You just know as soon as that range starts getting used the local TV station’s getting another call. https://bearingarms.com/cam-e/2019/11/23/florida-couple-flips-out-over-neighbors-backyard-range/
Well Sparky at least I'm not a keyboard warrior hiding behind a fake name.
For the record I also only interviewed with Fox News and ABC the other news stories didn't interview me at all. I do love how the owner said back in October though he was going to do all these things to make it safe and guess what??? Yep, wait for it..... he hasn't done a single one, you know public records can show whether a permit was pulled to built that 45 ft wall that doesn't exist that he told the media he was building as well if your IQ was over 2 and you knew how to do anything other than Google my name . The pictures someone one else posted that were taken just in February also show no 45 ft wall either all lies and we already discussed the sheriff dept deputies are not qualified to access whether a range is properly constructed, our attorney already pointed that out as well that they have no certifications or qualifications to make that call and their attorney advised that portion should not have been in the report, it was that deputy's personal opinion not that of the Sheriff Dept legal( cause God knows they want to cover their ass after that remark too if something happens they don't want to be the ones pinned that they signed off on it).
Again I'm only one of several houses out here who retained the same attorney and reached out to the State legislative but carry on you little keyboard warrior with your brave aka sparky fake name, you're such a big brave guy hiding behind that fake name and keyboard you remind me of a chihuahua a neighbor once had I'm done debating with you, I was told you can teach others but you can't fix ignorance and your character has showed that you are just a low class, ignorant, sexist, keyboard warrior so pound away on your response to this one because I won't bite back, you're not worthy or capable of having an intelligent let alone civilized conversation, you're "that guy" ...
There were several valid points on this thread some of which I will take with me and ponder but none of them were yours so trust me when you type all I hear is blah blah blahhhhh cause as I told you several pages ago until you are ready to stand down range on my property line and allow them to shoot at you with the same hole in the ground berm and no upper back stop then you're just a squawking bird, a little finch among crows and I guess that makes me the Hawk because I don't hide behind a fake name, a keyboard or ignorance. I am the one who is 240 ft down range being shot towards with no upper berm and hearing the blast. I am one of the several houses out here who put my money where my mouth was and lawyer-ed up .
I came on here to give our ( the several homes out here not just mine) view, some were able to see some valid points and take away and then there were ones like you who went totally off the rail and looked up my pictures from my personal social media pages and consider swimwear soft porn ( apparently you've never been to a Florida beach ) you couldn't keep to the topic you had to keep straying and just making it personal attacks on me which just shows your character not mine. It just shows you cannot have a reasonable conversation so any reply you make will be overlooked moving forward...
I think you've done a good job a made your points of concern, this is a tough group.
This is a classic scenario regardless of a gun range. Homeowner ‘A’ buys a rural property an acre or two in size. They assume the current land use of their neighbors (or lack thereof) will remain the same. The surrounding land use changes or develops and homeowner ‘A’ get pissy. Buy a bigger piece of land next time.sorry
wrong we looked into our lot before we bought and the land beside us is not zoned for rifle or sport shooting range, HE should've bought a lot that was larger and not up against one of the most desired residential neighborhoods in our county where several homes would take action against him for it. We have private ranges on some of the other out skirt areas as well, no one is suing them or complaining about them,, you know why.. because they were smart enough to aim their berms away from homes rather than our guy who pointed it in the one direction of his property that faces everyone's homes out here. We asked him to turn it in the beginning and he chose not to,
As for women voting, you and Aka Sparky should get together you are clearly intimidated by a woman who probably makes more than you and clearly has much more intelligence than you with a comment like that
You're really pissed because you “think” your property values will go down. Leave your neighbors alone.it would have been better to continue to be nice and neighborly instead of doing what you're doing. Its documented that he tried working with you. Nice job
No one thinks you're ruthless. You give yourself way too much credit.
You hit the nail, but I doubt you even noticed. You are wasting your time on social media (and not accomplishing a damn thing except stroking your own ego) while he is doing his thing.
Shes exhausted every possible news source so now shes down to posting on the Fire.....
What Rambo Barbie Isn't Saying Here
Rural gun range puts Weeki Wachee neighbors at odds
“I’m all for guns. Some of my friends call me Rambo Barbie,” Misty Cintron said........................
The owner of the range that’s being built is going above and beyond - spending tens of thousands of dollars to make sure that the range is safe.
In a statement, Hernando County Code Enforcement said the owner is working with those officials to make sure the range meets requirements, which he says will include an 18-foot-high dirt berm. He also plans to build a 40-foot backstop wall on top of the berm.
Neighbors Oppose Private Gun Range in Weeki Wachee Neighborhood
The range owner told his neighbors he owns a range of firearms from .22 to .50 caliber that shoot a variety of bullets. He said he made sure when buying the rural property that he would be able to shoot guns on it and that safety is his top priority in building the range.
According to him, a backstop has been built that's currently 18 feet tall. He said he plans to apply for an engineering permit to continue adding onto it, and that the backstop will ultimately be 40-45 feet tall.
A Hernando County Sheriff's Office report dated Oct. 30 states that the backstop met and exceeded safety requirements based on the condition of the range at the time. It also noted that the owner appeared to be following the state law that addresses recreational shooting in a residential area.
Hernando County Code Enforcement said the owner wasn't in violation as far as land use.
Neighbors said another issue is that the range points in the direction of their homes. Misty Cintron said about 240 feet of woods separated the range from her home -- too close for comfort.
The property owner said he offered to turn the range slightly, but that neighbors didn't like that idea, either.
"No crime has happened, no law has been broken, but we still feel we are in dire peril," said neighbors.
Florida Man Frightens Neighbors by Building Backyard Gun Range
In a Friday report, neighbor Misty Cintron told WFTS that her family began to fear for their safety two weeks ago when they noticed their neighbor building a gun range near their home in rural Weeki Wachi, Florida.............................. ...........Florida law allows homeowners to build and use a shooting range as long as their land extends beyond an acre. Cintron's property is less than an acre, so shooting a weapon from her property would be illegal. However, her neighbor is legally allowed to build the range and fire weapons because he is on a larger piece of land.......................... ..........................."The fact that he can shoot at me, and I can't shoot at him is not equal protection," said Cintron to the outlet. "The fact that there is not a clear distance, and he is shooting military-grade weapons that are not accessible to the average person in Florida, that's not equal protection. My local enforcement is not able to fully protect me, so they are violating my right my civil rights."
The man claims the range poses no threat to his neighbors. Cintron disagrees, and suggests that bullets and shrapnel could easily make it onto her property....................... .............The range owner, who is said to be a legally licensed commercial gun dealer, claims he plans to make improvements to the barrier. The man claims that he offered to move it "slightly to the right."
Florida Couple Flips Out Over Neighbor’s Backyard Range
One couple in Florida are learning this the hard way, after a neighbor began building a 100-yard range on his property behind their house in Weeki Wachee.
Cintron and her husband Jason said they built a home in the rural community for a better life. A few weeks ago, they noticed a large clearing behind their house.
“The fact that he can shoot at me, and I can’t shoot at him is not equal protection. The fact that there is not a clear distance, and he is shooting military-grade weapons that are not accessible to the average person in Florida, that’s not equal protection. My local enforcement is not able to fully protect me, so they are violating my right my civil rights.”
First of all, Cintron’s neighbor isn’t going to be shooting “at her.” He says the backstop is going to be 45 feet high, which will be more than enough to prevent any bullet from going anywhere near Cintron’s home. I don’t even know what she means when she says he’s shooting “military grade weapons” that the average civilian can’t get their hands on, but the gentleman in question told WFTS-TV in Florida most of his shooting will be using handguns.
Cintron said the county informed her Thursday night the county found no code or statutory violations with the building of the gun range. The builder told us he plans to finish the home and range in the next 10 months. He invited us out to shoot and verify for ourselves how safe it was.
Cintron said he invited her too. She isn’t taking him up on that offer.
“My daughter is going to be fully prepared to at my death to take on the state that they failed me,” Cintron said.
Before I go any further, let me say that I am somewhat sympathetic to Cintron and her husband. When they moved in, they were expecting a quiet rural place. Now a guy’s building his personal gun range with a firing line about 175 yards from their house. Their life will undoubtably change once this guy moves in and starts shooting, and they’re probably going to be miserable. That sucks, and if I hated the sound of gun fire and didn’t want my neighbor to have a backyard range that backed up to my property, I’d probably be looking for another place I could move into within the next ten months.
However, the homeowner’s not doing anything against the law. He’s within his rights to have a range on his property, and Cintron is not, because her parcel of land isn’t big enough. He’s building his range safely, and there’ve been no code violations. More importantly, if this guy really wanted to hurt Cintron, as she seems to believe is the case, I don’t think he’d go through all the trouble of building a range in his backyard, and then try to fake an accidental and negligent shooting.
I’m guessing this guy is exactly what he told Cintron he was; a dude who’s excited and happy about having a place on his property where he can go shoot safely. I totally get it; it’s a wonderful feeling. In fact, just thinking about it makes me want to cut this piece short and head down to my shooting spot, but I will force myself to push through and reward myself with a quick trip to empty a few magazines as soon as this gets posted.
Should he have moved the range to make the couple happy, even if that meant shortening the range to 75 yards? I don’t think I would have, because if I were this guy, I wouldn’t be convinced that the move would ultimately satisfy the Cintrons.
This couple went to the local news station hoping for sympathy because they have no legal recourse.
While I don’t think Cintron’s in any danger from her neighbor’s backyard range, at least based on what I’ve seen, she will be hearing gunshots on a regular basis, and from not too far away. Her neighbor is doing his due diligence to ensure the range is safe, but I don’t know what he’ll be able to do about the sound short of using suppressors. You just know as soon as that range starts getting used the local TV station’s getting another call. https://bearingarms.com/cam-e/2019/11/23/florida-couple-flips-out-over-neighbors-backyard-range/
Well Sparky at least I'm not a keyboard warrior hiding behind a fake name.
For the record I also only interviewed with Fox News and ABC the other news stories didn't interview me at all. I do love how the owner said back in October though he was going to do all these things to make it safe and guess what??? Yep, wait for it..... he hasn't done a single one, you know public records can show whether a permit was pulled to built that 45 ft wall that doesn't exist that he told the media he was building as well if your IQ was over 2 and you knew how to do anything other than Google my name . The pictures someone one else posted that were taken just in February also show no 45 ft wall either all lies and we already discussed the sheriff dept deputies are not qualified to access whether a range is properly constructed, our attorney already pointed that out as well that they have no certifications or qualifications to make that call and their attorney advised that portion should not have been in the report, it was that deputy's personal opinion not that of the Sheriff Dept legal( cause God knows they want to cover their ass after that remark too if something happens they don't want to be the ones pinned that they signed off on it).
Again I'm only one of several houses out here who retained the same attorney and reached out to the State legislative but carry on you little keyboard warrior with your brave aka sparky fake name, you're such a big brave guy hiding behind that fake name and keyboard you remind me of a chihuahua a neighbor once had I'm done debating with you, I was told you can teach others but you can't fix ignorance and your character has showed that you are just a low class, ignorant, sexist, keyboard warrior so pound away on your response to this one because I won't bite back, you're not worthy or capable of having an intelligent let alone civilized conversation, you're "that guy" ...
There were several valid points on this thread some of which I will take with me and ponder but none of them were yours so trust me when you type all I hear is blah blah blahhhhh cause as I told you several pages ago until you are ready to stand down range on my property line and allow them to shoot at you with the same hole in the ground berm and no upper back stop then you're just a squawking bird, a little finch among crows and I guess that makes me the Hawk because I don't hide behind a fake name, a keyboard or ignorance. I am the one who is 240 ft down range being shot towards with no upper berm and hearing the blast. I am one of the several houses out here who put my money where my mouth was and lawyer-ed up .
I came on here to give our ( the several homes out here not just mine) view, some were able to see some valid points and take away and then there were ones like you who went totally off the rail and looked up my pictures from my personal social media pages and consider swimwear soft porn ( apparently you've never been to a Florida beach ) you couldn't keep to the topic you had to keep straying and just making it personal attacks on me which just shows your character not mine. It just shows you cannot have a reasonable conversation so any reply you make will be overlooked moving forward...
I think you've done a good job a made your points of concern, this is a tough group.
Thanks Truegrit you win some, you lose some. I learned some new approaches and ideas while also giving our side.
just because its legal, that doesn't make it right. if that guy knew he wanted a range, he should have bought more rural. he's a self-centered dickhead.
and ain't no way he's doing a 50 foot embankment. it would need a huge amount of space to get it that high.
A 45 or 50 foot "fence" capable of stopping a .50 BMG, or a 30-06 FMJ, would have to be made from some pretty thick timbers. Several feet at least, and either overlapping or two fences with packed dirt in between. That would cost many hundreds of thousands of dollars. Ain't no way the perp is going to spring for that.
And where the heck do you even get timbers 50 feet tall? Oh, they have to be sunk into the ground? Gonna need some concrete.
Concrete block walls? Hate to tell ya but a 30-06 will knock a hole right through them.
Many years ago I read of an experiment where various ammo was fired through pine boards 3/4 inch thick. 30-06 ball penetrated 72 of them. Now solid oak is not the same as pine boards but you get the idea. When one of my clubs had ricochet problems--and we had bulldozed what we thought was a safe berm--the NRA told us how to do it. The resulting assessment was well into six figures (I forget exactly how much). The solution wasn't anywhere near 50 feet tall.
just because its legal, that doesn't make it right. if that guy knew he wanted a range, he should have bought more rural. he's a self-centered dickhead.
and ain't no way he's doing a 50 foot embankment. it would need a huge amount of space to get it that high.
A 45 or 50 foot "fence" capable of stopping a .50 BMG, or a 30-06 FMJ, would have to be made from some pretty thick timbers. Several feet at least, and either overlapping or two fences with packed dirt in between. That would cost many hundreds of thousands of dollars. Ain't no way the perp is going to spring for that.
And where the heck do you even get timbers 50 feet tall? Oh, they have to be sunk into the ground? Gonna need some concrete.
Concrete block walls? Hate to tell ya but a 30-06 will knock a hole right through them.
Many years ago I read of an experiment where various ammo was fired through pine boards 3/4 inch thick. 30-06 ball penetrated 72 of them. Now solid oak is not the same as pine boards but you get the idea. When one of my clubs had ricochet problems--and we had bulldozed what we thought was a safe berm--the NRA told us how to do it. The resulting assessment was well into six figures (I forget exactly how much). The solution wasn't anywhere near 50 feet tall.
This is a classic scenario regardless of a gun range. Homeowner ‘A’ buys a rural property an acre or two in size. They assume the current land use of their neighbors (or lack thereof) will remain the same. The surrounding land use changes or develops and homeowner ‘A’ get pissy. Buy a bigger piece of land next time.sorry
wrong we looked into our lot before we bought and the land beside us is not zoned for rifle or sport shooting range, HE should've bought a lot that was larger and not up against one of the most desired residential neighborhoods in our county where several homes would take action against him for it. We have private ranges on some of the other out skirt areas as well, no one is suing them or complaining about them,, you know why.. because they were smart enough to aim their berms away from homes rather than our guy who pointed it in the one direction of his property that faces everyone's homes out here. We asked him to turn it in the beginning and he chose not to,
As for women voting, you and Aka Sparky should get together you are clearly intimidated by a woman who probably makes more than you and clearly has much more intelligence than you with a comment like that
You're really pissed because you “think” your property values will go down. Leave your neighbors alone.it would have been better to continue to be nice and neighborly instead of doing what you're doing. Its documented that he tried working with you. Nice job
You got that backwards bud we tried to work with him but he wanted that extra 25 ft, you're correct it is documented though there were several homes out here who approached him not just me. He told everyone the same thing he wanted it that way. Another law firm reached out to us and was willing to get a range to donate time to him on our behalf but we told them not to even bother, he wasn't willing to turn it so why would he drive up the street and use a safe range?
Uhm and I don't plan to go anywhere so my value isn't a concern, I'm not looking to sell anytime soon, my house took over 1.5 years to build and it was a custom home so I have no plans on moving anytime soon. There are some houses out here concerned with that but I'm not one leaving anytime soon.
just because its legal, that doesn't make it right. if that guy knew he wanted a range, he should have bought more rural. he's a self-centered dickhead.
and ain't no way he's doing a 50 foot embankment. it would need a huge amount of space to get it that high.
A 45 or 50 foot "fence" capable of stopping a .50 BMG, or a 30-06 FMJ, would have to be made from some pretty thick timbers. Several feet at least, and either overlapping or two fences with packed dirt in between. That would cost many hundreds of thousands of dollars. Ain't no way the perp is going to spring for that.
And where the heck do you even get timbers 50 feet tall? Oh, they have to be sunk into the ground? Gonna need some concrete.
Concrete block walls? Hate to tell ya but a 30-06 will knock a hole right through them.
Many years ago I read of an experiment where various ammo was fired through pine boards 3/4 inch thick. 30-06 ball penetrated 72 of them. Now solid oak is not the same as pine boards but you get the idea. When one of my clubs had ricochet problems--and we had bulldozed what we thought was a safe berm--the NRA told us how to do it. The resulting assessment was well into six figures (I forget exactly how much). The solution wasn't anywhere near 50 feet tall.
yep you're both correct, we have spoken with experts who let us what would be needed to stop a 50 BMG and wood poles won't cut it because it's a matter of woodpecker, you hit it once now you have a week spot you keep hitting it now you have a hole,
They've done study's on all kinds of materials anything short of ballistic gel and steel enforced concrete wall is not sufficient ask any indoor range what they use as a back stop for high powered rifles it's not timber, now if he did poles then like 5 ft of sand backed by more poles so the sand didn't erode then possibly because it likely wouldn't penetrate past that sand it would also help buffer the noise some but his hole in the ground is an accident waiting to happen. It's not a matter of if it will but when it will and that comment came from a Federal Range Master who sets up ranges and trains
Any wall that has much substance to it has to be signed off on with it's construction design by a licensed engineer in most states.
Again, for most states, a wall or structure of over 4' in height is where the engineering starts...
4' ain't much of a wall.
If you pay for an engineered wall of 20' or more in height, it'll be expensive. Very expensive.
You are correct. He told us originally he had a range engineer but he failed to want to provide the guys name. The guy who he was name dropping was build a commercial range which has nothing around it and is commercial, we were told by the engineers I spoke with and had some friends who more in this field inquire with, none of them would sign off on this , not that close to homes and not that caliber, no one wants to tag that liability, which actually it was the one range design engineer who told us we should also make sure he has insurance on this range since he owns a gun business and is stating he is using this to site custom made rifles. This is for business use aside from his personal use we are not zoned for that.
Our county code enforcement agent said anything that needs concrete will need a permit. If he plans on going over 4 ft you need concrete and really because of the sand anything he puts up would need to be stabilized as it is the sand is washing away now. He didn't re-enforce it when he dug it out with anything so here in Florida where we are known for sinkholes this guy dug a hole for a range
Makes you wonder about all the other potential ranges that may pop up in the area in future.
We had the other problem with suburbia creeping into the area of a long established range - safety complaints were unfounded so mainly complaints about noise now. Moron house buyers obviously didn't hear the gun fire during the inspections. We were here first and are winning the battle - they've been whinging for a long time now but seem to be able to cry themselves to sleep at night okay.
we have plenty of other ranges out here and no issue with them, one guy shoots nightly another 15 minutes he should be starting up in fact ... no issue at all
The issue with this one is it is aimed at houses and he has NO upper berm at all he has a hole he dug out and that is great if you were firing a hand gun down in the hole but when you are shooting a 50 bmg and your are a 100 yds down range also on level ground and you have no upper berm or back stop that is reckless. Any rifle actually you would shoot from down on the level ground because if you're site is off then where is that stray heading?
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It's the distant ranges that can also present a risk. Here they apply a "danger zone template" around the range and it can extend for a few km behind the range backstop depending on the firearms that the range is licensed to use. In fact we can't use the high power "sniper" cartridges like the 338Lapua, 416 Cheytac on our public range because they exceed the licenced template. Or the 50BMG either but that is a different class of licence and not many people have those.
Anyone here recall the woman that was killed by a 303 ricochet off the water in New York? - I think it happened in the late 1960s. The woman was a mile from where the rifle was fired.
just because its legal, that doesn't make it right. if that guy knew he wanted a range, he should have bought more rural. he's a self-centered dickhead.
and ain't no way he's doing a 50 foot embankment. it would need a huge amount of space to get it that high.
A 45 or 50 foot "fence" capable of stopping a .50 BMG, or a 30-06 FMJ, would have to be made from some pretty thick timbers. Several feet at least, and either overlapping or two fences with packed dirt in between. That would cost many hundreds of thousands of dollars. Ain't no way the perp is going to spring for that.
And where the heck do you even get timbers 50 feet tall? Oh, they have to be sunk into the ground? Gonna need some concrete.
Concrete block walls? Hate to tell ya but a 30-06 will knock a hole right through them.
Many years ago I read of an experiment where various ammo was fired through pine boards 3/4 inch thick. 30-06 ball penetrated 72 of them. Now solid oak is not the same as pine boards but you get the idea. When one of my clubs had ricochet problems--and we had bulldozed what we thought was a safe berm--the NRA told us how to do it. The resulting assessment was well into six figures (I forget exactly how much). The solution wasn't anywhere near 50 feet tall.
#earthembankment
#dumphuck
How do you make a 50 foot earth embankment where the ground is sand.
just because its legal, that doesn't make it right. if that guy knew he wanted a range, he should have bought more rural. he's a self-centered dickhead.
and ain't no way he's doing a 50 foot embankment. it would need a huge amount of space to get it that high.
A 45 or 50 foot "fence" capable of stopping a .50 BMG, or a 30-06 FMJ, would have to be made from some pretty thick timbers. Several feet at least, and either overlapping or two fences with packed dirt in between. That would cost many hundreds of thousands of dollars. Ain't no way the perp is going to spring for that.
And where the heck do you even get timbers 50 feet tall? Oh, they have to be sunk into the ground? Gonna need some concrete.
Concrete block walls? Hate to tell ya but a 30-06 will knock a hole right through them.
Many years ago I read of an experiment where various ammo was fired through pine boards 3/4 inch thick. 30-06 ball penetrated 72 of them. Now solid oak is not the same as pine boards but you get the idea. When one of my clubs had ricochet problems--and we had bulldozed what we thought was a safe berm--the NRA told us how to do it. The resulting assessment was well into six figures (I forget exactly how much). The solution wasn't anywhere near 50 feet tall.
#earthembankment
#dumphuck
How do you make a 50 foot earth embankment where the ground is sand.
And don't swear at me. I'm not your wife.
Why 50 feet? Its ok as is .
But......its called engineered fill to answer your ignorant question.
My take away from all of this is,..if you live in a place named "Weeki Wachee", you have to put up with other people who will take up residence in a place called "Weeki Wachee".
Makes you wonder about all the other potential ranges that may pop up in the area in future.
We had the other problem with suburbia creeping into the area of a long established range - safety complaints were unfounded so mainly complaints about noise now. Moron house buyers obviously didn't hear the gun fire during the inspections. We were here first and are winning the battle - they've been whinging for a long time now but seem to be able to cry themselves to sleep at night okay.
we have plenty of other ranges out here and no issue with them, one guy shoots nightly another 15 minutes he should be starting up in fact ... no issue at all
The issue with this one is it is aimed at houses and he has NO upper berm at all he has a hole he dug out and that is great if you were firing a hand gun down in the hole but when you are shooting a 50 bmg and your are a 100 yds down range also on level ground and you have no upper berm or back stop that is reckless. Any rifle actually you would shoot from down on the level ground because if you're site is off then where is that stray heading?
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It's the distant ranges that can also present a risk. Here they apply a "danger zone template" around the range and it can extend for a few km behind the range backstop depending on the firearms that the range is licensed to use. In fact we can't use the high power "sniper" cartridges like the 338Lapua, 416 Cheytac on our public range because they exceed the licenced template. Or the 50BMG either but that is a different class of licence and not many people have those.
Anyone here recall the woman that was killed by a 303 ricochet off the water in New York? - I think it happened in the late 1960s. The woman was a mile from where the rifle was fired.
There was another in Texas just a few years ago went over a mile and went into her RV and killed her so yep you are correct. Our Sportsman Range here which is open to public one Sat a month won't allow a 50 BMG or certain rifle on anything other than the 200 yard range here because there is nothing behind that one for miles. They thought I was crazy when I asked if I could use the 100 yard range instead, then I told them why I was asking.
just because its legal, that doesn't make it right. if that guy knew he wanted a range, he should have bought more rural. he's a self-centered dickhead.
and ain't no way he's doing a 50 foot embankment. it would need a huge amount of space to get it that high.
One time I was shooting a 200 yard sitting rapid fire match with an M1 Garand. In such matches, after firing the first two, you load and fire an 8-round en bloc clip. You're in a tight sling. Well, the M1 went full auto for the last three rounds because the hammer hooks or something had worn. Obviously I was not expecting this and the muzzle climbed, despite the tight sling. I'm pretty sure no rounds went over our 50-foot hill behind the impact area but, from the pictures, I think some wouldhavegone over the perp's ridiculous trench. And what if it happened on the first round out of the clip, instead of after five?
One time I was shooting a 200 yard sitting rapid fire match with an M1 Garand. In such matches, after firing the first two, you load and fire an 8-round en bloc clip. You're in a tight sling. Well, the M1 went full auto for the last three rounds because the hammer hooks or something had worn. Obviously I was not expecting this and the muzzle climbed, despite the tight sling. I'm pretty sure no rounds went over our 50-foot hill behind the impact area but, from the pictures, I think some wouldhavegone over the perp's ridiculous trench. And what if it happened on the first round out of the clip, instead of after five?
Do you have any pics of this? I'd really like to see it as it sounds pretty interesting.
No pics, but anyone with a few brain cells to rub together should be able to figure it out. Go to a trucking company or a big truck tire shop and scavenge up about a dozen worn out tires. They'll probably give them to you. Build a wood or metal rack that puts the hole in the tire at shooting bench height and stand the tires up side by side. Drill holes in the sidewalls and bolt them together with fender washers so you create a long tube.to shoot through. The air chambers of the tires create a series of baffles to absorb the pressure waves that cause the sound to travel. It's just like a suppressor on steroids. A side benefit is that it creates a glare-proof tunnel so you can shoot with the sun behind the target- - - -no glare that wipes out the scope picture. Jerry
Won't work to solve her problem. The loudest noise comes from the sonic boom of the bullet. A 50BMG is still supersonic after it leaves the tires.
And it won't solve the ricochet problem down range. I'm no expert but I've been associated with two ranges that had ricochet problems from rifle bullets off the berm. I don't think the range inthe photo is safe.
Get range safety guidlines from the NRA and then file an injunction. Shouldn't matter if there is a Florida statute. The issue is endangering lives, not following some ordnance.
Indy,
You really need to stop displaying your ignorance on this one. As has already been pointed out, anyone, who during their time in the service, or at long range matches, has worked down range pit duty, and had bullets fly directly over their head at supersonic speeds, knows you above claim JUST ISN'T TRUE.
AS: All I can say is that, as an NRA-classified Lifetime Master in High Power Rifle since 1961, I've been in the pits while thousands of rounds went about 6 feet over my head. The firing line was 200 yards away. the "crack" from the bullet was MUCH LOUDER than the rifle's report, which was heard a fraction of a second later.
Now it may be that the berm (behind me) absorbs some of the sound of the rifle's report. But consider this: The impact area (in front of me) at my club is about 50 feet high, with the bullets impacting near the bottom. Behind that is a street about 600 feet away. One time I was on that street during a rapid fire (about 4 shooters firing 40 shots total in 60 seconds) match. I thought the sound was pretty loud and obnoxious.
Sometimes while in the pits I've seen bullets ricochet and hit the hill in back, about 10 feet or so up from the initial impact. I don't think the so-called berm in the photo at the start of this thread would provide protection from such a ricochet.
I think this about covers it:
Originally Posted by renegade50
Time to chime in!!!!
Fugging rds zipping by ya sound like a green branch loudly snapping. Thats about it..... BTDT all over this planet in training and in firefights.
It aint a fugging F16 nearing the sound barrier and then breaking it Immediately over your position...
Not some fugging hearing destroying schitt like some wanta think. JFC.......
What destroys your hearing is concussive repeative shearing pulse muzzle blast. Especially in close proximity of the effects of it on the immediate flanks of a gun muzzle... Backing off the edge of a adjacent wpn system being fired even 1 or 2 ft when you find yourself in that circumstance. Your fugging bell wont be rocked as severely or at all....
BTDT Way too many times to count. And sometimes you cant fugging move or its an after the fact event.
Oh P.S...... Graduate of 24 yrs of service in the Infantry. Holder of surface danger zone training certificates. Holder of ammo67/range hazmat certificates. Holder of aerial and indirect fires coordination certificates. Small arms and manuver range operator and repairer to include shoot house,s. 9mm to .50 for 3 yrs after I retired at FTCKY. Turned down Goat fugg Montgomery County shooting complex range directors job.
Now back to the " Why cant I get my way Mistykins show"
LMFAO!!!!!
AS: Don't think so.
Everyone in our pits wears hearing protection.
Why would anyone who was in the infantry know anything? My son is a field grade infantry officer (I'd bet Renegade wasn't). The infantry nowadays barely ever shoots their rifles and most of them are very poor shots. A bunch of my civilian friends who had lots of leg points (that's a credential for being a good shot) were asked to volunteer to go to Ft. Benning and train the the instructors how to train troops how to shoot 77 grain SMKs. Most of the troops didn't know how to adjust M16 sights and some didn't even know they were adjustable.
Buncha made up schit as usual from you....
Hmm... I retired in 08... You dont know a fugging thing and most of your post are outright world of commander mcbragg bullschitt..... In fact your so full of schit, your stomach should be a fugging septic tank. Out right fugging lies that you word craft on here all the time just to play devils advocate .
Blow me..... I never pay attention to your post. Like you have never noticed. Your a fughing idiot whose piehole flaps alot . And like to expell 2nd hand hearsay schit that you have no idea of. All the fughing time... LMFAO!!! And it aint just me that notices it either.
Nco,s run ranges , set up ranges and operate the ranges and conduct the training.... But of course you wouldnt know that... Officers guide the overall process.
Fughing idiot is what you are and many on here have hemmed you up over the years about your stupidity time and time and time again.
Im just being nice by never responding to any of the dumb schit you come up with......
Stay in your own lane old man. Your not relevant.... And no one believes much you have to say.
Now bust on me for grammar nazi stuff. Please.... Its always the last resort. Cause its about all you have in your "please include me feeble old mind" you might have.
Do you have any pics of this? I'd really like to see it as it sounds pretty interesting.
No pics, but anyone with a few brain cells to rub together should be able to figure it out. Go to a trucking company or a big truck tire shop and scavenge up about a dozen worn out tires. They'll probably give them to you. Build a wood or metal rack that puts the hole in the tire at shooting bench height and stand the tires up side by side. Drill holes in the sidewalls and bolt them together with fender washers so you create a long tube.to shoot through. The air chambers of the tires create a series of baffles to absorb the pressure waves that cause the sound to travel. It's just like a suppressor on steroids. A side benefit is that it creates a glare-proof tunnel so you can shoot with the sun behind the target- - - -no glare that wipes out the scope picture. Jerry
Won't work to solve her problem. The loudest noise comes from the sonic boom of the bullet. A 50BMG is still supersonic after it leaves the tires.
And it won't solve the ricochet problem down range. I'm no expert but I've been associated with two ranges that had ricochet problems from rifle bullets off the berm. I don't think the range inthe photo is safe.
Get range safety guidlines from the NRA and then file an injunction. Shouldn't matter if there is a Florida statute. The issue is endangering lives, not following some ordnance.
Indy,
You really need to stop displaying your ignorance on this one. As has already been pointed out, anyone, who during their time in the service, or at long range matches, has worked down range pit duty, and had bullets fly directly over their head at supersonic speeds, knows you above claim JUST ISN'T TRUE.
AS: All I can say is that, as an NRA-classified Lifetime Master in High Power Rifle since 1961, I've been in the pits while thousands of rounds went about 6 feet over my head. The firing line was 200 yards away. the "crack" from the bullet was MUCH LOUDER than the rifle's report, which was heard a fraction of a second later.
Now it may be that the berm (behind me) absorbs some of the sound of the rifle's report. But consider this: The impact area (in front of me) at my club is about 50 feet high, with the bullets impacting near the bottom. Behind that is a street about 600 feet away. One time I was on that street during a rapid fire (about 4 shooters firing 40 shots total in 60 seconds) match. I thought the sound was pretty loud and obnoxious.
Sometimes while in the pits I've seen bullets ricochet and hit the hill in back, about 10 feet or so up from the initial impact. I don't think the so-called berm in the photo at the start of this thread would provide protection from such a ricochet.
I think this about covers it:
Originally Posted by renegade50
Time to chime in!!!!
Fugging rds zipping by ya sound like a green branch loudly snapping. Thats about it..... BTDT all over this planet in training and in firefights.
It aint a fugging F16 nearing the sound barrier and then breaking it Immediately over your position...
Not some fugging hearing destroying schitt like some wanta think. JFC.......
What destroys your hearing is concussive repeative shearing pulse muzzle blast. Especially in close proximity of the effects of it on the immediate flanks of a gun muzzle... Backing off the edge of a adjacent wpn system being fired even 1 or 2 ft when you find yourself in that circumstance. Your fugging bell wont be rocked as severely or at all....
BTDT Way too many times to count. And sometimes you cant fugging move or its an after the fact event.
Oh P.S...... Graduate of 24 yrs of service in the Infantry. Holder of surface danger zone training certificates. Holder of ammo67/range hazmat certificates. Holder of aerial and indirect fires coordination certificates. Small arms and manuver range operator and repairer to include shoot house,s. 9mm to .50 for 3 yrs after I retired at FTCKY. Turned down Goat fugg Montgomery County shooting complex range directors job.
Now back to the " Why cant I get my way Mistykins show"
LMFAO!!!!!
AS: Don't think so.
Everyone in our pits wears hearing protection.
Why would anyone who was in the infantry know anything? My son is a field grade infantry officer (I'd bet Renegade wasn't). The infantry nowadays barely ever shoots their rifles and most of them are very poor shots. A bunch of my civilian friends who had lots of leg points (that's a credential for being a good shot) were asked to volunteer to go to Ft. Benning and train the the instructors how to train troops how to shoot 77 grain SMKs. Most of the troops didn't know how to adjust M16 sights and some didn't even know they were adjustable.
INDY,s post is so full of made up bullschitt. It is fugging pathetic. Off the cuff made up Bullschit for some hopeful relevant post by you in your aged brain.
just because its legal, that doesn't make it right. if that guy knew he wanted a range, he should have bought more rural. he's a self-centered dickhead.
and ain't no way he's doing a 50 foot embankment. it would need a huge amount of space to get it that high.
A 45 or 50 foot "fence" capable of stopping a .50 BMG, or a 30-06 FMJ, would have to be made from some pretty thick timbers. Several feet at least, and either overlapping or two fences with packed dirt in between. That would cost many hundreds of thousands of dollars. Ain't no way the perp is going to spring for that.
And where the heck do you even get timbers 50 feet tall? Oh, they have to be sunk into the ground? Gonna need some concrete.
Concrete block walls? Hate to tell ya but a 30-06 will knock a hole right through them.
Many years ago I read of an experiment where various ammo was fired through pine boards 3/4 inch thick. 30-06 ball penetrated 72 of them. Now solid oak is not the same as pine boards but you get the idea. When one of my clubs had ricochet problems--and we had bulldozed what we thought was a safe berm--the NRA told us how to do it. The resulting assessment was well into six figures (I forget exactly how much). The solution wasn't anywhere near 50 feet tall.
#earthembankment
#dumphuck
How do you make a 50 foot earth embankment where the ground is sand.
just because its legal, that doesn't make it right. if that guy knew he wanted a range, he should have bought more rural. he's a self-centered dickhead.
and ain't no way he's doing a 50 foot embankment. it would need a huge amount of space to get it that high.
A 45 or 50 foot "fence" capable of stopping a .50 BMG, or a 30-06 FMJ, would have to be made from some pretty thick timbers. Several feet at least, and either overlapping or two fences with packed dirt in between. That would cost many hundreds of thousands of dollars. Ain't no way the perp is going to spring for that.
And where the heck do you even get timbers 50 feet tall? Oh, they have to be sunk into the ground? Gonna need some concrete.
Concrete block walls? Hate to tell ya but a 30-06 will knock a hole right through them.
Many years ago I read of an experiment where various ammo was fired through pine boards 3/4 inch thick. 30-06 ball penetrated 72 of them. Now solid oak is not the same as pine boards but you get the idea. When one of my clubs had ricochet problems--and we had bulldozed what we thought was a safe berm--the NRA told us how to do it. The resulting assessment was well into six figures (I forget exactly how much). The solution wasn't anywhere near 50 feet tall.
just because its legal, that doesn't make it right. if that guy knew he wanted a range, he should have bought more rural. he's a self-centered dickhead.
and ain't no way he's doing a 50 foot embankment. it would need a huge amount of space to get it that high.
A 45 or 50 foot "fence" capable of stopping a .50 BMG, or a 30-06 FMJ, would have to be made from some pretty thick timbers. Several feet at least, and either overlapping or two fences with packed dirt in between. That would cost many hundreds of thousands of dollars. Ain't no way the perp is going to spring for that.
And where the heck do you even get timbers 50 feet tall? Oh, they have to be sunk into the ground? Gonna need some concrete.
Concrete block walls? Hate to tell ya but a 30-06 will knock a hole right through them.
Many years ago I read of an experiment where various ammo was fired through pine boards 3/4 inch thick. 30-06 ball penetrated 72 of them. Now solid oak is not the same as pine boards but you get the idea. When one of my clubs had ricochet problems--and we had bulldozed what we thought was a safe berm--the NRA told us how to do it. The resulting assessment was well into six figures (I forget exactly how much). The solution wasn't anywhere near 50 feet tall.
#earthembankment
#dumphuck
How do you make a 50 foot earth embankment where the ground is sand.
Do you have any pics of this? I'd really like to see it as it sounds pretty interesting.
No pics, but anyone with a few brain cells to rub together should be able to figure it out. Go to a trucking company or a big truck tire shop and scavenge up about a dozen worn out tires. They'll probably give them to you. Build a wood or metal rack that puts the hole in the tire at shooting bench height and stand the tires up side by side. Drill holes in the sidewalls and bolt them together with fender washers so you create a long tube.to shoot through. The air chambers of the tires create a series of baffles to absorb the pressure waves that cause the sound to travel. It's just like a suppressor on steroids. A side benefit is that it creates a glare-proof tunnel so you can shoot with the sun behind the target- - - -no glare that wipes out the scope picture. Jerry
Won't work to solve her problem. The loudest noise comes from the sonic boom of the bullet. A 50BMG is still supersonic after it leaves the tires.
And it won't solve the ricochet problem down range. I'm no expert but I've been associated with two ranges that had ricochet problems from rifle bullets off the berm. I don't think the range inthe photo is safe.
Get range safety guidlines from the NRA and then file an injunction. Shouldn't matter if there is a Florida statute. The issue is endangering lives, not following some ordnance.
Indy,
You really need to stop displaying your ignorance on this one. As has already been pointed out, anyone, who during their time in the service, or at long range matches, has worked down range pit duty, and had bullets fly directly over their head at supersonic speeds, knows you above claim JUST ISN'T TRUE.
AS: All I can say is that, as an NRA-classified Lifetime Master in High Power Rifle since 1961, I've been in the pits while thousands of rounds went about 6 feet over my head. The firing line was 200 yards away. the "crack" from the bullet was MUCH LOUDER than the rifle's report, which was heard a fraction of a second later.
Now it may be that the berm (behind me) absorbs some of the sound of the rifle's report. But consider this: The impact area (in front of me) at my club is about 50 feet high, with the bullets impacting near the bottom. Behind that is a street about 600 feet away. One time I was on that street during a rapid fire (about 4 shooters firing 40 shots total in 60 seconds) match. I thought the sound was pretty loud and obnoxious.
Sometimes while in the pits I've seen bullets ricochet and hit the hill in back, about 10 feet or so up from the initial impact. I don't think the so-called berm in the photo at the start of this thread would provide protection from such a ricochet.
I think this about covers it:
Originally Posted by renegade50
Time to chime in!!!!
Fugging rds zipping by ya sound like a green branch loudly snapping. Thats about it..... BTDT all over this planet in training and in firefights.
It aint a fugging F16 nearing the sound barrier and then breaking it Immediately over your position...
Not some fugging hearing destroying schitt like some wanta think. JFC.......
What destroys your hearing is concussive repeative shearing pulse muzzle blast. Especially in close proximity of the effects of it on the immediate flanks of a gun muzzle... Backing off the edge of a adjacent wpn system being fired even 1 or 2 ft when you find yourself in that circumstance. Your fugging bell wont be rocked as severely or at all....
BTDT Way too many times to count. And sometimes you cant fugging move or its an after the fact event.
Oh P.S...... Graduate of 24 yrs of service in the Infantry. Holder of surface danger zone training certificates. Holder of ammo67/range hazmat certificates. Holder of aerial and indirect fires coordination certificates. Small arms and manuver range operator and repairer to include shoot house,s. 9mm to .50 for 3 yrs after I retired at FTCKY. Turned down Goat fugg Montgomery County shooting complex range directors job.
Now back to the " Why cant I get my way Mistykins show"
LMFAO!!!!!
AS: Don't think so.
Everyone in our pits wears hearing protection.
Why would anyone who was in the infantry know anything? My son is a field grade infantry officer (I'd bet Renegade wasn't). The infantry nowadays barely ever shoots their rifles and most of them are very poor shots. A bunch of my civilian friends who had lots of leg points (that's a credential for being a good shot) were asked to volunteer to go to Ft. Benning and train the the instructors how to train troops how to shoot 77 grain SMKs. Most of the troops didn't know how to adjust M16 sights and some didn't even know they were adjustable.
Buncha made up schit as usual from you....
Hmm... I retired in 08... You dont know a fugging thing and most of your post are outright world of commander mcbragg bullschitt..... In fact your so full of schit, your stomach should be a fugging septic tank. Out right fugging lies that you word craft on here all the time just to play devils advocate .
Blow me..... I never pay attention to your post. Like you have never noticed. Your a fughing idiot whose piehole flaps alot . And like to expell 2nd hand hearsay schit that you have no idea of. All the fughing time... LMFAO!!! And it aint just me that notices it either.
Nco,s run ranges , set up ranges and operate the ranges and conduct the training.... But of course you wouldnt know that... Officers guide the overall process.
Fughing idiot is what you are and many on here have hemmed you up over the years about your stupidity time and time and time again.
Im just being nice by never responding to any of the dumb schit you come up with......
Stay in your own lane old man. Your not relevant.... And no one believes much you have to say.
Now bust on me for grammar nazi stuff. Please.... Its always the last resort. Cause its about all you have in your "please include me feeble old mind" you might have.
LMFAO!!!
you dont say...! You certainly have a way with words, such a vast and incredible imagination and command of the English language... you rock dude.....!
One time I was shooting a 200 yard sitting rapid fire match with an M1 Garand. In such matches, after firing the first two, you load and fire an 8-round en bloc clip. You're in a tight sling. Well, the M1 went full auto for the last three rounds because the hammer hooks or something had worn. Obviously I was not expecting this and the muzzle climbed, despite the tight sling. I'm pretty sure no rounds went over our 50-foot hill behind the impact area but, from the pictures, I think some wouldhavegone over the perp's ridiculous trench. And what if it happened on the first round out of the clip, instead of after five?
Full of schitt story again. # stilltryingforouttatheazzrelevancy
One time I was shooting a 200 yard sitting rapid fire match with an M1 Garand. In such matches, after firing the first two, you load and fire an 8-round en bloc clip. You're in a tight sling. Well, the M1 went full auto for the last three rounds because the hammer hooks or something had worn. Obviously I was not expecting this and the muzzle climbed, despite the tight sling. I'm pretty sure no rounds went over our 50-foot hill behind the impact area but, from the pictures, I think some wouldhavegone over the perp's ridiculous trench. And what if it happened on the first round out of the clip, instead of after five?
Full of schitt story again. # stilltryingforouttatheazzrelevancy
Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Originally Posted by renegade50
You dont know a fugging thing
full of schit,
fugging lies
Blow me.....
schit
All the fughing time...
Fughing idiot
Do you have any rational comments or counterpoints to make about anything I posted?
Plenty .... You want me to pick em apart. Here is one to start with....
Whats your sons CMF desiginator. Surely a proud dad would know that. What his unit? But then again you been on here for years. 1st time I ever heard about you having a son whose was a firld grade in the infantry. I have a incredible memory. You have a officer son in the infantry would never escape it It would have gone into the storage bank big time.
Oh another one you fugged up on
Volunteer buddies of yours going to benning to teach the cadre how to use 77 smk,s. Your fughing stupid dude What was their POI and MOI How long was the feilding and when What ranges did they use per Bldg 4 What is Bldg 4
Sorry bud that aint happening Paid civilian contractors feild systems . Fugging moron just making up schit on the fly is what your doing.
Can pick apart plenty of other schit you post also.
I prefer to maintain my anonymity, just like most here.
I don't think some of the posters here would want their employers to know what they posted, or even that they post on the 24HCF. As for my "making up" stories, why would I want to impress some of the low lifes here?
However the story about civilians training army guys can be verified with the CMP. It happened about 3 or 4 years ago. It turned out that the ordinary troops were supposedly good for ranges under 350 meters (might have been 300 or 400, I forget which) and snipers were supposed to shoot above 700 yards. Anyway, the bad guys tried to stay in the middle. It was decided to issue one guy per squad with an accurate M16 loaded with 77 grain Sierra Match Kings to bridge that gap. Because there was a lack of instructors, some civilians were sought to train new instructors for two weeks, unpaid of course. We have some very good shooters around here and a couple of friends of mine took them up on that.
That said, I really want no further dialogue with you unless you can be civil and rational. In my "real" life I don't associate with people who speak like you do, cussing and swearing every other word. Perhaps you don't either.
I prefer to maintain my anonymity, just like most here.
I don't think some of the posters here would want their employers to know what they posted, or even that they post on the 24HCF. As for my "making up" stories, why would I want to impress some of the low lifes here?
However the story about civilians training army guys can be verified with the CMP. It happened about 3 or 4 years ago. It turned out that the ordinary troops were supposedly good for ranges under 350 meters (might have been 300 or 400, I forget which) and snipers were supposed to shoot above 700 yards. Anyway, the bad guys tried to stay in the middle. It was decided to issue one guy per squad with an accurate M16 loaded with 77 grain Sierra Match Kings to bridge that gap. Because there was a lack of instructors, some civilians were sought to train new instructors for two weeks, unpaid of course. We have some very good shooters around here and a couple of friends of mine took them up on that.
Dude,
First rule of holes.
Stop digging. Please, just fùcking stop before you embarrass yourself further.
Unless, you need the material for the 45' berm behind your shooting range.
Why do you think I am embarrassing myself? Have you ever shot against the Army AMU guys at the Nationals at Camp Perry? Ever beaten any? Won any 14kt gold medals (which they no longer give out) in national competition? Rubbed shoulders with any national champions. Been the state junior high power champion yourself (long time ago I admit)? Been president of a high power rifle club for 15 years?
Check with the CMP yourself. And then stop embarassing yourself by digging your own hole.
I prefer to maintain my anonymity, just like most here.
I don't think some of the posters here would want their employers to know what they posted, or even that they post on the 24HCF. As for my "making up" stories, why would I want to impress some of the low lifes here?
However the story about civilians training army guys can be verified with the CMP. It happened about 3 or 4 years ago. It turned out that the ordinary troops were supposedly good for ranges under 350 meters (might have been 300 or 400, I forget which) and snipers were supposed to shoot above 700 yards. Anyway, the bad guys tried to stay in the middle. It was decided to issue one guy per squad with an accurate M16 loaded with 77 grain Sierra Match Kings to bridge that gap. Because there was a lack of instructors, some civilians were sought to train new instructors for two weeks, unpaid of course. We have some very good shooters around here and a couple of friends of mine took them up on that.
That said, I really want no further dialogue with you unless you can be civil and rational. In my "real" life I don't associate with people who speak like you do, cussing and swearing every other word. Perhaps you don't either.
STFU... Fugging schit you post is so fughing bogus ...
I fughing hemned you up in a buncha bullschit. And you know it . No amount of spin or wordcrafting from you is gonna change it.
I associate with honest people. Deeds not words types.... You would never cut the fughing mustard.
I prefer to maintain my anonymity, just like most here.
I don't think some of the posters here would want their employers to know what they posted, or even that they post on the 24HCF. As for my "making up" stories, why would I want to impress some of the low lifes here?
However the story about civilians training army guys can be verified with the CMP. It happened about 3 or 4 years ago. It turned out that the ordinary troops were supposedly good for ranges under 350 meters (might have been 300 or 400, I forget which) and snipers were supposed to shoot above 700 yards. Anyway, the bad guys tried to stay in the middle. It was decided to issue one guy per squad with an accurate M16 loaded with 77 grain Sierra Match Kings to bridge that gap. Because there was a lack of instructors, some civilians were sought to train new instructors for two weeks, unpaid of course. We have some very good shooters around here and a couple of friends of mine took them up on that.
That said, I really want no further dialogue with you unless you can be civil and rational. In my "real" life I don't associate with people who speak like you do, cussing and swearing every other word. Perhaps you don't either.
What a well thought out " wordsmith" dissertation for a reply. That answers 0 checkfire questions I raised to you.
Bristoe wishes he could look out his kitchen window and see Mitzi swimming in the neighbor’s pond. He wouldn’t ask permission then . He’d fire up the 8N and putt putt on over there. “Hey darlin, you want some Moonshine?” he would murmur.
just because its legal, that doesn't make it right. if that guy knew he wanted a range, he should have bought more rural. he's a self-centered dickhead.
and ain't no way he's doing a 50 foot embankment. it would need a huge amount of space to get it that high.
A 45 or 50 foot "fence" capable of stopping a .50 BMG, or a 30-06 FMJ, would have to be made from some pretty thick timbers. Several feet at least, and either overlapping or two fences with packed dirt in between. That would cost many hundreds of thousands of dollars. Ain't no way the perp is going to spring for that.
And where the heck do you even get timbers 50 feet tall? Oh, they have to be sunk into the ground? Gonna need some concrete.
Concrete block walls? Hate to tell ya but a 30-06 will knock a hole right through them.
Many years ago I read of an experiment where various ammo was fired through pine boards 3/4 inch thick. 30-06 ball penetrated 72 of them. Now solid oak is not the same as pine boards but you get the idea. When one of my clubs had ricochet problems--and we had bulldozed what we thought was a safe berm--the NRA told us how to do it. The resulting assessment was well into six figures (I forget exactly how much). The solution wasn't anywhere near 50 feet tall.
#earthembankment
#dumphuck
How do you make a 50 foot earth embankment where the ground is sand.
And don't swear at me. I'm not your wife.
The guy already has an embankment 20 feet (or nearly so) high at the end of his pit. He only needs to get another twenty feet above grade. The trajectory of any errant bullet passing 20 feet above grade will pass harmlessly over any nearby neighbors. And there exists means to prevent the muzzle being elevated to that point which are used at some ranges. I would desire such to protect the neighbors three to six miles away.
How would one build a twenty foot tall bullet proof wall?
Have any of you guys seen a timber retaining wall alongside a hiway? I have seen several locally. They use vertical I beam steel pylons to hold railroad tie sized timbers in a horizontal orientation, and stack said timbers as high as necessary.
Two such walls built ten or fifteen feet apart with the middle filled with sand would stop anything short of an 88 mm. The two walls would be tied together in a substantial manner and would support one another, negating need for substantial concrete work.
We are not talking about a bullet trap here. Simply a safety barrier which will presumably never see an impact. There is no concern for successive weakening due to repetitive impacts in the same spot. Nobody is going to "shoot through it".
But better yet. The guy already has a pit. Just build a roof over it and cover the roof with sand, or as I mentioned in an earlier post, bury a six foot diameter pipe. Instant underground 100 yd range.
Sock puppet? I do not think so.
I do not think any of our jokesters could successfully carry off an impersonation such as this. Too much drama queen irrationality and not enough IQ on display. It is usually pretty easy to spot a woman who is used to getting anything she wants from the men around her via her physical attributes. The real shame of it is, so many are proud of the ability and put it on display for the world to witness.
Why do you think I am embarrassing myself? Have you ever shot against the Army AMU guys at the Nationals at Camp Perry? Ever beaten any? Won any 14kt gold medals (which they no longer give out) in national competition? Rubbed shoulders with any national champions. Been the state junior high power champion yourself (long time ago I admit)? Been president of a high power rifle club for 15 years?
Check with the CMP yourself. And then stop embarassing yourself by digging your own hole.
Your so fugging feeble minded, that you put your name on the fugging twitter link on your profile. Fugging zippy the pinhead stuff right their......
Might spend some time researching your " shooting history" tommorow if I get bored.... Camp perry entrants, yrs and, classes go back a long ways and are in depth... They are meticulous with their records. Too easy..... Dont matter if ya make the name disappear either.... Already in the brain housing group.
Bristoe wishes he could look out his kitchen window and see Mitzi swimming in the neighbor’s pond. He wouldn’t ask permission then . He’d fire up the 8N and putt putt on over there. “Hey darlin, you want some Moonshine?” he would murmur.
It is usually pretty easy to spot a woman who is used to getting anything she wants from the men around her via her physical attributes. The real shame of it is, so many are proud of the ability and put it on display for the world to witness.
Yeah,...if she'd been around here very long she'd know that us old farts are at the point where a woman's value is gauged by the quality of her BLT,.....not her T&A.
It is usually pretty easy to spot a woman who is used to getting anything she wants from the men around her via her physical attributes. The real shame of it is, so many are proud of the ability and put it on display for the world to witness.
Yeah,...if she'd been around here very long she'd know that us old farts are at the point where a woman's value is gauged by the quality of her BLT,.....not her T&A.
And she is getting to the age, that it would behoove her to learn to make a good sammich.
You guys are mostly full of chit, if your wives, daughters, grand kids read the crap you put on here you would never touch another computer, let alone a titty or a BLT. Renegade is either related to or impersonating big sthtick.... its been entertaining
You guys are mostly full of chit, if your wives, daughters, grand kids read the crap you put on here you would never touch another computer, let alone a titty or a BLT. Renegade is either related to or impersonating big sthtick.... its been entertaining
I was curious, so I had my wife read the post to check her response..
She's now taken to the bed with a severe case of the vapors and undoubtedly requires hospitalization, but our health insurance doesn't cover internet induced swoons.
Why do you think I am embarrassing myself? Have you ever shot against the Army AMU guys at the Nationals at Camp Perry? Ever beaten any? Won any 14kt gold medals (which they no longer give out) in national competition? Rubbed shoulders with any national champions. Been the state junior high power champion yourself (long time ago I admit)? Been president of a high power rifle club for 15 years?
Check with the CMP yourself. And then stop embarassing yourself by digging your own hole.
Sandbags and yesterdays don’t mean shît.
Blah blah blah, nationals, nationals, I know a retard with Down syndrome that has a gold medal for bowling in Europe
Go run 300-400 yards and cut a buck off and drill him running through the boiler room in dense hardwood 150 yrds with a scope on 3 power.
fat guys, resting heart rate, still target, sand bags, 24x power scope...not impressed
Why do you think I am embarrassing myself? Have you ever shot against the Army AMU guys at the Nationals at Camp Perry? Ever beaten any? Won any 14kt gold medals (which they no longer give out) in national competition? Rubbed shoulders with any national champions. Been the state junior high power champion yourself (long time ago I admit)? Been president of a high power rifle club for 15 years?
Check with the CMP yourself. And then stop embarassing yourself by digging your own hole.
Your so fugging feeble minded, that you put your name on the fugging twitter link on your profile. Fugging zippy the pinhead stuff right their......
Might spend some time researching your " shooting history" tommorow if I get bored.... Camp perry entrants, yrs and, classes go back a long ways and are in depth... They are meticulous with their records. Too easy..... Dont matter if ya make the name disappear either.... Already in the brain housing group.
Time for dinner for me.
#ohschitrenegade50gonnahemmmeupagain.....
LMFAO!!!
Really? I didn't think I was on Twitter. So I went to Twitter and googled my 24HCF handle. Some guy named Brian Brundage has the same handle on Twitter. That ain't me. If I ever go on Twitter, I'll use a different handle than here Thanks for reminding me.
By the way, do you really know how to build safe ranges? Here's a serious question. If the Army asked you to build a safe range for small arms, and there were some Army buildings 200 yards or so behind the backstop, what kind of barriers would you have built?
I dont beleive anything you say to tell the truth. You have more twist and turns and deflections in your post than a fulll sphagetti strainer... You aint answered any checkfire questions I threw out for ya like a gift that will shut me down because you make schitt up and have no answers.
The answer....
Inward Inclined 10 to 15° 3 side box from last 1/4th of range distance
3 to 1 height ratio min based on tgt height at start of flank walls expanding 5 to 1 ratio behind tgt line.
Composite revetment wall pressured treated wood, layered rubber backing, w loose red clay or heavy loam/ sand and pea gravel back fill. Bullet stop and noise abatement by interupting the bow of the sound wave with inward inclined wall. Simple as that.......
Your scenario would never happen on military base. Ever........ And I really dont give a flying fuqh about " Mistykins" situation or the angle for further discussion you are hoping for to relate to it.
Even with 25m alt c or zero ranges. They are bermed .
5° offset min for adjacent ranges. Max range impact area for biggest cal wpn system.
The line of your question is a ridculous scenario than cannot apply on a mil base.
Dudes range is legal per fla law. Neighbor friendly. Nope.....
He could of planned his orientaion angle better. And his dug in tgt area is just gonna be a pond when it rains.
But "Mistykins" would still bytch anyways. "Nobody puts Mistykins in the corner"...
I don't understand all your short hand but I gather that you don't think the guy's backstop is competent to stop bullets, ricochets, etc.
As for your "checkfire" questions, not sure what you mean but if you think I'm lying about my son, it's really easy to become a field grade officer. All you do is (a) graduate from college, (b) take ROTC there, and (c) stay in. Good pay, 20-year letter, tri-care for your family. What's not to like? What's to swear about?
I don't understand all your short hand but I gather that you don't think the guy's backstop is competent to stop bullets, ricochets, etc.
As for your "checkfire" questions, not sure what you mean but if you think I'm lying about my son, it's really easy to become a field grade officer. All you do is (a) graduate from college, (b) take ROTC there, and (c) stay in. Good pay, 20-year letter, tri-care for your family. What's not to like? What's to swear about?
You "gather" from assumption in order to play devils advocate to attempt to continue playing devils advocate. Like you have been doing this entire thread.
And your knowledge of an officers track into commissioning and progression is pitiful at best. A, B, and C is all it takes huh???? 20 yr letter ??? WTF is that???? Tricare ... Explain your understanding of that please.
LMFAO!!!!!
Vague generalizations an average person could be able to spout with some beforehand thinking. You know perfectly well what my checkfire questions meant from the simple answers I laid out for you in them. No one can be that stupid. You failed to answer any of them.
PS... I'm a "little" more familar with things than what you want to allude too. But you know that already. But then again for a " master word crafter" like you like to think you are, it is too be expected.
Stop trying to play the "artful dodger". People see it all the time in your post.
I have put up with you schitting on post of mine with innuendo and snarky little comnents hoping for a reaction probably for last 4 or 5 weeks. I have just ignored them. And of course you have seen that and dont like you failed attempts to bring me out. And prior to that we have had run ins also.
Had about enough of you expounding on this thread. Pulling schit outta your azz for dumbazz topic content. Bloviating.......
But when your a outspoken dikhead like me, you always have a target on your back.
From long term posters to obscure posters. And its usually some namby pamby little cherry picked gotcha type of thing. Stuff like you do . Perfect example... LOL!!!
Oh ...... PS.... Pics or it never happened ....... 14 supposed Camp perry gold medals Cant be that techy challenged for ya..... Checkfire/ shut me down. Do it...... Make me eat some fughing humble pie. Have many many times on here. Might actually get a little respect outta me for you if you do....
You activated the twitter link on your profile page on here. No one else could do that with out your password and set it up. Letter I insted of letter A in last name. You delibrately changed that in a post also.
I prefer to maintain my anonymity, just like most here.
I don't think some of the posters here would want their employers to know what they posted, or even that they post on the 24HCF. As for my "making up" stories, why would I want to impress some of the low lifes here?
However the story about civilians training army guys can be verified with the CMP. It happened about 3 or 4 years ago. It turned out that the ordinary troops were supposedly good for ranges under 350 meters (might have been 300 or 400, I forget which) and snipers were supposed to shoot above 700 yards. Anyway, the bad guys tried to stay in the middle. It was decided to issue one guy per squad with an accurate M16 loaded with 77 grain Sierra Match Kings to bridge that gap. Because there was a lack of instructors, some civilians were sought to train new instructors for two weeks, unpaid of course. We have some very good shooters around here and a couple of friends of mine took them up on that.
Dude,
First rule of holes.
Stop digging. Please, just fùcking stop before you embarrass yourself further.
Unless, you need the material for the 45' berm behind your shooting range.
Don't know either of you, but the training performed by civilians through the CMP for the military is fact. It was a little longer than three or four years ago, but has been since the GWOT.
Madeline Kahn was damned fine, in her day and all. But isn't it about time for someone to start hanging some pics of some actual GOOD looking women on this here mess.
Madeline Kahn was damned fine, in her day and all. But isn't it about time for someone to start hanging some pics of some actual GOOD looking women on this here mess.
Where's Elk Hunter anyway?
I liked her hair in young Frankenstein Gave me a semi
Pretty amazing that chick showed up here and contributed to the thread. The power of the Google search engine allowed for us to see just what the guy with the shooting range puts up with for a neighbor.
Pretty amazing that chick showed up here and contributed to the thread. The power of the Google search engine allowed for us to see just what the guy with the shooting range puts up with for a neighbor.
Was a damned entertaining thread. I wonder what the resolution was at the end?
Well, if I am reading this 3 day old news story correctly, Misty is still fighting and failing.
Attorney General declines to define "shooting range" with respect to local issue Tue, 12/29/2020
State Attorney General Ashley Moody declined to give a legal opinion to the Hernando County Attorney’s Office on whether Hernando County should enforce noise ordinances on persons using firearms on non-commercial property. The opinion stems from a citizen complaint in June of 2020. An email was sent to Commissioner John Allocco regarding a neighbor’s concern of the owner of 12056 Eakin Street and their guests using the property as a non-commercial shooting range. Citing noise and safety concerns, Misty Cintron reached out to Allocco with the hope that the practice would be ceased through application of the Hernando County Noise Ordinance. However, according to Florida Statute 790.33, local government is preempted from enforcing the county noise ordinance as part of the regulations “pertaining to the whole field of firearms.” The language within the statute consistently uses the phrase “sports shooting range” to define a large outdoor area where the discharge of firearms may be permitted, however does not define whether that area needs to be a commercial business or if the term applies to private property. The zoning of the 5 acre property on 12056 Eakin Street is currently Agricultural and Residential. Taking the state law and local concern into consideration, Deputy County Attorney Jon Jouben requested Board of County Commissioners (BOCC) consent to direct the staff to send a letter to the Attorney General requesting guidance as to whether the statutory definition of the Noise Ordinance is limited to commercial sport shooting ranges. The following response, dated November 9, 2020 was sent from AG Moody’s office: “Upon reviewing the information you have submitted, this office must decline to comment on this matter. With respect to the County’s question regarding the definition of a “sport shooting range” as set forth in section 823.16(l)(c), Florida Statutes, and whether section 730.330), Florida Statutes, precludes enforcement of its “generally applicable” noise regulation ordinance, these inquiries present mixed questions of fact and law, which opinions of this office are not intended to address. “We regret that we are unable to comment further. I trust you will understand that the inability of the Attorney General to address your questions does not stem from a lack of concern.”
Anyone here recall the woman that was killed by a 303 ricochet off the water in New York? - I think it happened in the late 1960s. The woman was a mile from where the rifle was fired.
Pretty sure that happened off the coast of California, I recall reading about it in one of my Grandad’s Readers Digests when I was a kid in England 50+ years ago.
A guy in a boat said he was shooting at a shark, surplus .303 Enfield. The woman in question was driving a convertible, bullet struck her behind the ear such that the cause of death wasn’t immediately obvious.
IIRC
Pretty cool the shooting range lady herself chimed in on this thread.
I don't care to re-read all 28 pages of this issue so I'll post from memory.
If some grammatically challenged buck sergeant who failed to get promoted after 20 years complains I said something he doesn't agree with, or some self styled sniper maintains that the Army did not ask for civilian volunteers through CMP to teach them how to shoot, I apologize in advance for anything I might not remember correctly.
IIRC, though, the shooter's property was 5 acres and borders on a residential area directly downrange. The governments have washed their hands about enforcing any noise ordance.
Well then, the thing to do would be for Misty and the neighbors to set up their own rifle range, pointed down range directly at the shooter's property. They could set off LOUD rounds at various times, such as whenever the shooter was firing, or 6:00 AM in the morning, or both. A round or two might even ricochet into the shooter's roof, or front yard at least. The local government might then enact a law eliminating firearms discharges outside.
An infringement on the Second Amendment? Oh, boo, hoo, hoo. I live in a suburb where it is illegal to discharge firearms, even though many properties are 5 acres. Deer hunting is allowed if you have 5 acres and use a bow. From 20 minutes to an hour from here, there are 200 and 300 yard rifle ranges, two shotgun clubs, and an indoor range. (The indoor pistol range is 5 minutes away.)
[no sorry to disappoint but that's me and I think I'm all right for mid 40s if you want to share how kind the years have been to you please feel free to share with the class
You're right, you're pretty damn fine for mid 40's. Got any titty pics on the internet anywhere? if not that's OK you can PM them to me.
I live in a suburb where it is illegal to discharge firearms,
That was your choice don't try to shove it off on anyone else.
He made the choice to move to an area that allowed shooting, now a neighbor doesn't like it, to damn bad.
That said he had better make sure that the berm is sufficient to stop any strays, that's his only responsibility to anyone else.
You can tell by Misty's story that she's pissed off about the noise mostly and just using the safety aspect as an excuse. Anyone who doesn't get that is a dunce.
50 BMG wakes up the neighborhood, met a friend at a local range as he wanted to shoot some steel with my BMG. Nearest house is like 75 yards away from the range, range was there for 60 some years. Well he was shooting my 50, next thing to state troopers pulled in because they had a noise complaint, WOW. Funny thing after talking with the troopers I asked if they wanted a try. Both of them let a few fly down range. Moral to the story don't build a house next to a gun range if you don't like noise
I live in a suburb where it is illegal to discharge firearms,
That was your choice don't try to shove it off on anyone else.
He made the choice to move to an area that allowed shooting, now a neighbor doesn't like it, to damn bad.
That said he had better make sure that the berm is sufficient to stop any strays, that's his only responsibility to anyone else.
You can tell by Misty's story that she's pissed off about the noise mostly and just using the safety aspect as an excuse. Anyone who doesn't get that is a dunce.
I live in a suburb where it is illegal to discharge firearms,
That was your choice don't try to shove it off on anyone else.
He made the choice to move to an area that allowed shooting, now a neighbor doesn't like it, to damn bad.
That said he had better make sure that the berm is sufficient to stop any strays, that's his only responsibility to anyone else.
You can tell by Misty's story that she's pissed off about the noise mostly and just using the safety aspect as an excuse. Anyone who doesn't get that is a dunce.
Yup.
baaaa baaaa baaaa says the suburbanite lol
Nobody's trying to shove anything off on anyone else. The shooter may have moved to where shooting is allowed but he didn't move to where reckless endangerment is allowed. The berm picture originally posted, unless it has been modified, is not sufficient to stop bullets from leaving the shooter's property.
Or...if noise is allowed, why not "fight fire with fire?"
BTW: I don't say "baaa baaa baaa." Billy goats say that. You seem to be infatuated with goats.
I live in a suburb where it is illegal to discharge firearms,
That was your choice don't try to shove it off on anyone else.
He made the choice to move to an area that allowed shooting, now a neighbor doesn't like it, to damn bad.
That said he had better make sure that the berm is sufficient to stop any strays, that's his only responsibility to anyone else.
You can tell by Misty's story that she's pissed off about the noise mostly and just using the safety aspect as an excuse. Anyone who doesn't get that is a dunce.
Yup.
baaaa baaaa baaaa says the suburbanite lol
Nobody's trying to shove anything off on anyone else. The shooter may have moved to where shooting is allowed but he didn't move to where reckless endangerment is allowed. The berm picture originally posted, unless it has been modified, is not sufficient to stop bullets from leaving the shooter's property.
Or...if noise is allowed, why not "fight fire with fire?"
BTW: I don't say "baaa baaa baaa." Billy goats say that. You seem to be infatuated with goats.
lol the suburbanite can't even distinguish between a goat and a sheep. Surprising.......
Go turn on your sprinklers and waive at the neighbor on each side of you who can see you out their kitchen windows. Probably can't even piss in your own yard. lmao
I live in a suburb where it is illegal to discharge firearms,
That was your choice don't try to shove it off on anyone else.
He made the choice to move to an area that allowed shooting, now a neighbor doesn't like it, to damn bad.
That said he had better make sure that the berm is sufficient to stop any strays, that's his only responsibility to anyone else.
You can tell by Misty's story that she's pissed off about the noise mostly and just using the safety aspect as an excuse. Anyone who doesn't get that is a dunce.
Yup.
baaaa baaaa baaaa says the suburbanite lol
Nobody's trying to shove anything off on anyone else. The shooter may have moved to where shooting is allowed but he didn't move to where reckless endangerment is allowed. The berm picture originally posted, unless it has been modified, is not sufficient to stop bullets from leaving the shooter's property.
Or...if noise is allowed, why not "fight fire with fire?"
BTW: I don't say "baaa baaa baaa." Billy goats say that. You seem to be infatuated with goats.
lol the suburbanite can't even distinguish between a goat and a sheep. Surprising.......
Go turn on your sprinklers and waive at the neighbor on each side of you who can see you out their kitchen windows. Probably can't even piss in your own yard. lmao
I'm certain willie goat here is real familiar with both goat and sheep... 'Not 'Surprising' LOL
I live in a suburb where it is illegal to discharge firearms,
That was your choice don't try to shove it off on anyone else.
He made the choice to move to an area that allowed shooting, now a neighbor doesn't like it, to damn bad.
That said he had better make sure that the berm is sufficient to stop any strays, that's his only responsibility to anyone else.
You can tell by Misty's story that she's pissed off about the noise mostly and just using the safety aspect as an excuse. Anyone who doesn't get that is a dunce.
Yup.
baaaa baaaa baaaa says the suburbanite lol
Nobody's trying to shove anything off on anyone else. The shooter may have moved to where shooting is allowed but he didn't move to where reckless endangerment is allowed. The berm picture originally posted, unless it has been modified, is not sufficient to stop bullets from leaving the shooter's property.
Or...if noise is allowed, why not "fight fire with fire?"
BTW: I don't say "baaa baaa baaa." Billy goats say that. You seem to be infatuated with goats.
There's another thread requiring your attention. Miss Lynn needs you to come defend her honor.
I live in a suburb where it is illegal to discharge firearms,
That was your choice don't try to shove it off on anyone else.
He made the choice to move to an area that allowed shooting, now a neighbor doesn't like it, to damn bad.
That said he had better make sure that the berm is sufficient to stop any strays, that's his only responsibility to anyone else.
You can tell by Misty's story that she's pissed off about the noise mostly and just using the safety aspect as an excuse. Anyone who doesn't get that is a dunce.
Yup.
baaaa baaaa baaaa says the suburbanite lol
Nobody's trying to shove anything off on anyone else. The shooter may have moved to where shooting is allowed but he didn't move to where reckless endangerment is allowed. The berm picture originally posted, unless it has been modified, is not sufficient to stop bullets from leaving the shooter's property.
Or...if noise is allowed, why not "fight fire with fire?"
BTW: I don't say "baaa baaa baaa." Billy goats say that. You seem to be infatuated with goats.
lol the suburbanite can't even distinguish between a goat and a sheep. Surprising.......
Go turn on your sprinklers and waive at the neighbor on each side of you who can see you out their kitchen windows. Probably can't even piss in your own yard. lmao
I'm certain willie goat here is real familiar with both goat and sheep... 'Not 'Surprising' LOL
4.7 degrees of elevation to top an 8.3 yard backstop. Bullet still climbing after it goes over the backstop. If I can't see the other house, or any part of it, I ain't going to hit it unless I skid a round off the top.
Moral to the story don't build a house next to a gun range if you don't like noise
That's pretty much what is going on.
Misty bought a deeply discounted building lot down a dirt road in the middle some sandy scrub oak terrain backed up to a development of larger multi-use parcels. There is lots of that around that area, it can come cheap. You can pay 50 to $100K for a building lot in a more desirable location there, Misty's lot was $12K.
It's a lot like buying a lot bordering a airport then complaing about the noise and safety issues involved.
As she try's to gain sympathy and support for her cause, those in the area are well aware of the facts surrounding her situation.
She's just a transplanted city dweller that thought she'd outsmarted everyone by purchasing a cheap piece of land to build her home on.
As the cities become unlivable so will the established suburbs. The work from home telework gig isn't going away. Say goodbye to rural America. These situations are going to become a fact of everyday life.
I prefer to maintain my anonymity, just like most here.
I don't think some of the posters here would want their employers to know what they posted, or even that they post on the 24HCF. As for my "making up" stories, why would I want to impress some of the low lifes here?
However the story about civilians training army guys can be verified with the CMP. It happened about 3 or 4 years ago. It turned out that the ordinary troops were supposedly good for ranges under 350 meters (might have been 300 or 400, I forget which) and snipers were supposed to shoot above 700 yards. Anyway, the bad guys tried to stay in the middle. It was decided to issue one guy per squad with an accurate M16 loaded with 77 grain Sierra Match Kings to bridge that gap. Because there was a lack of instructors, some civilians were sought to train new instructors for two weeks, unpaid of course. We have some very good shooters around here and a couple of friends of mine took them up on that.
Dude,
First rule of holes.
Stop digging. Please, just fùcking stop before you embarrass yourself further.
Unless, you need the material for the 45' berm behind your shooting range.
Don't know either of you, but the training performed by civilians through the CMP for the military is fact. It was a little longer than three or four years ago, but has been since the GWOT.
I konw several shooters that were involved. a few years ago a chopper was shot down in the stans with a bunch of special force types inside that got killed. before they detailed oversead the y went through some local programs. i believe mike dillon was envolved as in dillion precision, i.e. reloaders, possible gunsite ranch too it did happen.
To a gun hater it really doesn't matter how safe the range is. They'll attack for any reason. Noise pollution, the smell of gun powder. Shrapnel and she might just give it the extra touch by putting a couple of bullet holes in her house.
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