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Originally Posted by IndyCA35
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Is this woman real or is she somebody's sockpuppet?


Back under your rock, toad. This is the adult forum (or used to be).


lol,..Indy doing the White Knight routine.


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just because its legal, that doesn't make it right. if that guy knew he wanted a range, he should have bought more rural. he's a self-centered dickhead.


and ain't no way he's doing a 50 foot embankment. it would need a huge amount of space to get it that high.



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Originally Posted by Bristoe
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Is this woman real or is she somebody's sockpuppet?


Back under your rock, toad. This is the adult forum (or used to be).


lol,..Indy doing the White Knight routine.


Just being decent, bubba.


Don't blame me. I voted for Trump.

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Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Is this woman real or is she somebody's sockpuppet?


Back under your rock, toad. This is the adult forum (or used to be).


lol,..Indy doing the White Knight routine.


Just being decent, bubba.


How long do you think you can maintain it?

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This is a classic scenario regardless of a gun range. Homeowner ‘A’ buys a rural property an acre or two in size. They assume the current land use of their neighbors (or lack thereof) will remain the same. The surrounding land use changes or develops and homeowner ‘A’ get pissy. Buy a bigger piece of land next time.sorry


wrong we looked into our lot before we bought and the land beside us is not zoned for rifle or sport shooting range, HE should've bought a lot that was larger and not up against one of the most desired residential neighborhoods in our county where several homes would take action against him for it. We have private ranges on some of the other out skirt areas as well, no one is suing them or complaining about them,, you know why.. because they were smart enough to aim their berms away from homes rather than our guy who pointed it in the one direction of his property that faces everyone's homes out here. We asked him to turn it in the beginning and he chose not to,

As for women voting, you and Aka Sparky should get together you are clearly intimidated by a woman who probably makes more than you and clearly has much more intelligence than you with a comment like that smile

I watched your video. Rode hard and put away wet came to mind watching you. Nobody that uses your argument of your neighbor’s gun range should be allowed to vote. Better?


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Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Makes you wonder about all the other potential ranges that may pop up in the area in future.

We had the other problem with suburbia creeping into the area of a long established range - safety complaints were unfounded so mainly complaints about noise now. Moron house buyers obviously didn't hear the gun fire during the inspections. We were here first and are winning the battle - they've been whinging for a long time now but seem to be able to cry themselves to sleep at night okay.


we have plenty of other ranges out here and no issue with them, one guy shoots nightly another 15 minutes he should be starting up in fact ... no issue at all

The issue with this one is it is aimed at houses and he has NO upper berm at all he has a hole he dug out and that is great if you were firing a hand gun down in the hole but when you are shooting a 50 bmg and your are a 100 yds down range also on level ground and you have no upper berm or back stop that is reckless. Any rifle actually you would shoot from down on the level ground because if you're site is off then where is that stray heading?

We could argue that our house was here first as well all the other other houses out here minus the 4 new additions that just went up the past few year and he admitted he could see our house when he dug his range so why would one point in in the one direction that has nothing but houses? He didn't want to point it in the direction that was aimed at literally nothing there is a 5 acre, then a 10 acre which butts up to a 100 acre trust no houses on any of them and we asked him to face it that way and he felt he would lose 25 ft and didn't want to do that so it's not the houses out here weren't willing to try to work with him, there was only one house that was truly upset about the noise and we had him to the point he was willing to settle for him turning him but now that man is on a mission, if you all think I'm ruthless, be glad he won't waste his time on social media he is busy contacting engineers, experts, the attorney... he is retired and making a full new career out of this.



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Shes exhausted every possible news source so now shes down to posting on the Fire.....

What Rambo Barbie Isn't Saying Here


Rural gun range puts Weeki Wachee neighbors at odds


“I’m all for guns. Some of my friends call me Rambo Barbie,” Misty Cintron said........................

The owner of the range that’s being built is going above and beyond - spending tens of thousands of dollars to make sure that the range is safe.

In a statement, Hernando County Code Enforcement said the owner is working with those officials to make sure the range meets requirements, which he says will include an 18-foot-high dirt berm. He also plans to build a 40-foot backstop wall on top of the berm.

He says he will exceed the legal requirements – but that’s little comfort to some of his neighbors.
https://www.fox13news.com/news/rural-gun-range-puts-weeki-wachee-neighbors-at-odds

Neighbors Oppose Private Gun Range in Weeki Wachee Neighborhood


The range owner told his neighbors he owns a range of firearms from .22 to .50 caliber that shoot a variety of bullets. He said he made sure when buying the rural property that he would be able to shoot guns on it and that safety is his top priority in building the range.

According to him, a backstop has been built that's currently 18 feet tall. He said he plans to apply for an engineering permit to continue adding onto it, and that the backstop will ultimately be 40-45 feet tall.

A Hernando County Sheriff's Office report dated Oct. 30 states that the backstop met and exceeded safety requirements based on the condition of the range at the time. It also noted that the owner appeared to be following the state law that addresses recreational shooting in a residential area.

Hernando County Code Enforcement said the owner wasn't in violation as far as land use.

Neighbors said another issue is that the range points in the direction of their homes. Misty Cintron said about 240 feet of woods separated the range from her home -- too close for comfort.

The property owner said he offered to turn the range slightly, but that neighbors didn't like that idea, either.

"No crime has happened, no law has been broken, but we still feel we are in dire peril," said neighbors.

Neighbors have spoken with State Rep. Blaise Ingoglia about the issue, as well as the sheriff's office. They've been told that there's nothing that can be done since the owner isn't in violation of laws or codes.
https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2019/11/22/weeki-wachee-private-gun-range

Florida Man Frightens Neighbors by Building Backyard Gun Range


In a Friday report, neighbor Misty Cintron told WFTS that her family began to fear for their safety two weeks ago when they noticed their neighbor building a gun range near their home in rural Weeki Wachi, Florida..............................
...........Florida law allows homeowners to build and use a shooting range as long as their land extends beyond an acre. Cintron's property is less than an acre, so shooting a weapon from her property would be illegal. However, her neighbor is legally allowed to build the range and fire weapons because he is on a larger piece of land..........................
..........................."The fact that he can shoot at me, and I can't shoot at him is not equal protection," said Cintron to the outlet. "The fact that there is not a clear distance, and he is shooting military-grade weapons that are not accessible to the average person in Florida, that's not equal protection. My local enforcement is not able to fully protect me, so they are violating my right my civil rights."

The man claims the range poses no threat to his neighbors. Cintron disagrees, and suggests that bullets and shrapnel could easily make it onto her property.......................
.............The range owner, who is said to be a legally licensed commercial gun dealer, claims he plans to make improvements to the barrier. The man claims that he offered to move it "slightly to the right."

"Safety, safety, safety, is my top priority," the man told WFTS. "I'm not even close to being done yet."
https://www.newsweek.com/florida-man-frightens-neighbors-building-backyard-gun-range-1473652

Florida Couple Flips Out Over Neighbor’s Backyard Range


One couple in Florida are learning this the hard way, after a neighbor began building a 100-yard range on his property behind their house in Weeki Wachee.

Cintron and her husband Jason said they built a home in the rural community for a better life. A few weeks ago, they noticed a large clearing behind their house.

“The fact that he can shoot at me, and I can’t shoot at him is not equal protection. The fact that there is not a clear distance, and he is shooting military-grade weapons that are not accessible to the average person in Florida, that’s not equal protection. My local enforcement is not able to fully protect me, so they are violating my right my civil rights.”

First of all, Cintron’s neighbor isn’t going to be shooting “at her.” He says the backstop is going to be 45 feet high, which will be more than enough to prevent any bullet from going anywhere near Cintron’s home. I don’t even know what she means when she says he’s shooting “military grade weapons” that the average civilian can’t get their hands on, but the gentleman in question told WFTS-TV in Florida most of his shooting will be using handguns.

Cintron said the county informed her Thursday night the county found no code or statutory violations with the building of the gun range.
The builder told us he plans to finish the home and range in the next 10 months. He invited us out to shoot and verify for ourselves how safe it was.

Cintron said he invited her too. She isn’t taking him up on that offer.

“My daughter is going to be fully prepared to at my death to take on the state that they failed me,” Cintron said.


Before I go any further, let me say that I am somewhat sympathetic to Cintron and her husband. When they moved in, they were expecting a quiet rural place. Now a guy’s building his personal gun range with a firing line about 175 yards from their house. Their life will undoubtably change once this guy moves in and starts shooting, and they’re probably going to be miserable. That sucks, and if I hated the sound of gun fire and didn’t want my neighbor to have a backyard range that backed up to my property, I’d probably be looking for another place I could move into within the next ten months.

However, the homeowner’s not doing anything against the law. He’s within his rights to have a range on his property, and Cintron is not, because her parcel of land isn’t big enough. He’s building his range safely, and there’ve been no code violations. More importantly, if this guy really wanted to hurt Cintron, as she seems to believe is the case, I don’t think he’d go through all the trouble of building a range in his backyard, and then try to fake an accidental and negligent shooting.

I’m guessing this guy is exactly what he told Cintron he was; a dude who’s excited and happy about having a place on his property where he can go shoot safely. I totally get it; it’s a wonderful feeling. In fact, just thinking about it makes me want to cut this piece short and head down to my shooting spot, but I will force myself to push through and reward myself with a quick trip to empty a few magazines as soon as this gets posted.

Should he have moved the range to make the couple happy, even if that meant shortening the range to 75 yards? I don’t think I would have, because if I were this guy, I wouldn’t be convinced that the move would ultimately satisfy the Cintrons.

This couple went to the local news station hoping for sympathy because they have no legal recourse.

While I don’t think Cintron’s in any danger from her neighbor’s backyard range, at least based on what I’ve seen, she will be hearing gunshots on a regular basis, and from not too far away. Her neighbor is doing his due diligence to ensure the range is safe, but I don’t know what he’ll be able to do about the sound short of using suppressors. You just know as soon as that range starts getting used the local TV station’s getting another call.
https://bearingarms.com/cam-e/2019/11/23/florida-couple-flips-out-over-neighbors-backyard-range/





Well Sparky at least I'm not a keyboard warrior hiding behind a fake name.

For the record I also only interviewed with Fox News and ABC the other news stories didn't interview me at all. I do love how the owner said back in October though he was going to do all these things to make it safe and guess what??? Yep, wait for it..... he hasn't done a single one, you know public records can show whether a permit was pulled to built that 45 ft wall that doesn't exist that he told the media he was building as well if your IQ was over 2 and you knew how to do anything other than Google my name . The pictures someone one else posted that were taken just in February also show no 45 ft wall either all lies and we already discussed the sheriff dept deputies are not qualified to access whether a range is properly constructed, our attorney already pointed that out as well that they have no certifications or qualifications to make that call and their attorney advised that portion should not have been in the report, it was that deputy's personal opinion not that of the Sheriff Dept legal( cause God knows they want to cover their ass after that remark too if something happens they don't want to be the ones pinned that they signed off on it).

Again I'm only one of several houses out here who retained the same attorney and reached out to the State legislative but carry on you little keyboard warrior with your brave aka sparky fake name, you're such a big brave guy hiding behind that fake name and keyboard you remind me of a chihuahua a neighbor once had smile I'm done debating with you, I was told you can teach others but you can't fix ignorance and your character has showed that you are just a low class, ignorant, sexist, keyboard warrior so pound away on your response to this one because I won't bite back, you're not worthy or capable of having an intelligent let alone civilized conversation, you're "that guy" ...

There were several valid points on this thread some of which I will take with me and ponder but none of them were yours so trust me when you type all I hear is blah blah blahhhhh cause as I told you several pages ago until you are ready to stand down range on my property line and allow them to shoot at you with the same hole in the ground berm and no upper back stop then you're just a squawking bird, a little finch among crows and I guess that makes me the Hawk because I don't hide behind a fake name, a keyboard or ignorance. I am the one who is 240 ft down range being shot towards with no upper berm and hearing the blast. I am one of the several houses out here who put my money where my mouth was and lawyer-ed up .

I came on here to give our ( the several homes out here not just mine) view, some were able to see some valid points and take away and then there were ones like you who went totally off the rail and looked up my pictures from my personal social media pages and consider swimwear soft porn ( apparently you've never been to a Florida beach ) you couldn't keep to the topic you had to keep straying and just making it personal attacks on me which just shows your character not mine. It just shows you cannot have a reasonable conversation so any reply you make will be overlooked moving forward...

I think you've done a good job a made your points of concern, this is a tough group.


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Originally Posted by md44815
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
This is a classic scenario regardless of a gun range. Homeowner ‘A’ buys a rural property an acre or two in size. They assume the current land use of their neighbors (or lack thereof) will remain the same. The surrounding land use changes or develops and homeowner ‘A’ get pissy. Buy a bigger piece of land next time.sorry


wrong we looked into our lot before we bought and the land beside us is not zoned for rifle or sport shooting range, HE should've bought a lot that was larger and not up against one of the most desired residential neighborhoods in our county where several homes would take action against him for it. We have private ranges on some of the other out skirt areas as well, no one is suing them or complaining about them,, you know why.. because they were smart enough to aim their berms away from homes rather than our guy who pointed it in the one direction of his property that faces everyone's homes out here. We asked him to turn it in the beginning and he chose not to,

As for women voting, you and Aka Sparky should get together you are clearly intimidated by a woman who probably makes more than you and clearly has much more intelligence than you with a comment like that smile

You're really pissed because you “think” your property values will go down. Leave your neighbors alone.it would have been better to continue to be nice and neighborly instead of doing what you're doing. Its documented that he tried working with you. Nice job


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No one thinks you're ruthless. You give yourself way too much credit.

You hit the nail, but I doubt you even noticed. You are wasting your time on social media (and not accomplishing a damn thing except stroking your own ego) while he is doing his thing.

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Originally Posted by md44815
Originally Posted by akasparky
Shes exhausted every possible news source so now shes down to posting on the Fire.....

What Rambo Barbie Isn't Saying Here


Rural gun range puts Weeki Wachee neighbors at odds


“I’m all for guns. Some of my friends call me Rambo Barbie,” Misty Cintron said........................

The owner of the range that’s being built is going above and beyond - spending tens of thousands of dollars to make sure that the range is safe.

In a statement, Hernando County Code Enforcement said the owner is working with those officials to make sure the range meets requirements, which he says will include an 18-foot-high dirt berm. He also plans to build a 40-foot backstop wall on top of the berm.

He says he will exceed the legal requirements – but that’s little comfort to some of his neighbors.
https://www.fox13news.com/news/rural-gun-range-puts-weeki-wachee-neighbors-at-odds

Neighbors Oppose Private Gun Range in Weeki Wachee Neighborhood


The range owner told his neighbors he owns a range of firearms from .22 to .50 caliber that shoot a variety of bullets. He said he made sure when buying the rural property that he would be able to shoot guns on it and that safety is his top priority in building the range.

According to him, a backstop has been built that's currently 18 feet tall. He said he plans to apply for an engineering permit to continue adding onto it, and that the backstop will ultimately be 40-45 feet tall.

A Hernando County Sheriff's Office report dated Oct. 30 states that the backstop met and exceeded safety requirements based on the condition of the range at the time. It also noted that the owner appeared to be following the state law that addresses recreational shooting in a residential area.

Hernando County Code Enforcement said the owner wasn't in violation as far as land use.

Neighbors said another issue is that the range points in the direction of their homes. Misty Cintron said about 240 feet of woods separated the range from her home -- too close for comfort.

The property owner said he offered to turn the range slightly, but that neighbors didn't like that idea, either.

"No crime has happened, no law has been broken, but we still feel we are in dire peril," said neighbors.

Neighbors have spoken with State Rep. Blaise Ingoglia about the issue, as well as the sheriff's office. They've been told that there's nothing that can be done since the owner isn't in violation of laws or codes.
https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2019/11/22/weeki-wachee-private-gun-range

Florida Man Frightens Neighbors by Building Backyard Gun Range


In a Friday report, neighbor Misty Cintron told WFTS that her family began to fear for their safety two weeks ago when they noticed their neighbor building a gun range near their home in rural Weeki Wachi, Florida..............................
...........Florida law allows homeowners to build and use a shooting range as long as their land extends beyond an acre. Cintron's property is less than an acre, so shooting a weapon from her property would be illegal. However, her neighbor is legally allowed to build the range and fire weapons because he is on a larger piece of land..........................
..........................."The fact that he can shoot at me, and I can't shoot at him is not equal protection," said Cintron to the outlet. "The fact that there is not a clear distance, and he is shooting military-grade weapons that are not accessible to the average person in Florida, that's not equal protection. My local enforcement is not able to fully protect me, so they are violating my right my civil rights."

The man claims the range poses no threat to his neighbors. Cintron disagrees, and suggests that bullets and shrapnel could easily make it onto her property.......................
.............The range owner, who is said to be a legally licensed commercial gun dealer, claims he plans to make improvements to the barrier. The man claims that he offered to move it "slightly to the right."

"Safety, safety, safety, is my top priority," the man told WFTS. "I'm not even close to being done yet."
https://www.newsweek.com/florida-man-frightens-neighbors-building-backyard-gun-range-1473652

Florida Couple Flips Out Over Neighbor’s Backyard Range


One couple in Florida are learning this the hard way, after a neighbor began building a 100-yard range on his property behind their house in Weeki Wachee.

Cintron and her husband Jason said they built a home in the rural community for a better life. A few weeks ago, they noticed a large clearing behind their house.

“The fact that he can shoot at me, and I can’t shoot at him is not equal protection. The fact that there is not a clear distance, and he is shooting military-grade weapons that are not accessible to the average person in Florida, that’s not equal protection. My local enforcement is not able to fully protect me, so they are violating my right my civil rights.”

First of all, Cintron’s neighbor isn’t going to be shooting “at her.” He says the backstop is going to be 45 feet high, which will be more than enough to prevent any bullet from going anywhere near Cintron’s home. I don’t even know what she means when she says he’s shooting “military grade weapons” that the average civilian can’t get their hands on, but the gentleman in question told WFTS-TV in Florida most of his shooting will be using handguns.

Cintron said the county informed her Thursday night the county found no code or statutory violations with the building of the gun range.
The builder told us he plans to finish the home and range in the next 10 months. He invited us out to shoot and verify for ourselves how safe it was.

Cintron said he invited her too. She isn’t taking him up on that offer.

“My daughter is going to be fully prepared to at my death to take on the state that they failed me,” Cintron said.


Before I go any further, let me say that I am somewhat sympathetic to Cintron and her husband. When they moved in, they were expecting a quiet rural place. Now a guy’s building his personal gun range with a firing line about 175 yards from their house. Their life will undoubtably change once this guy moves in and starts shooting, and they’re probably going to be miserable. That sucks, and if I hated the sound of gun fire and didn’t want my neighbor to have a backyard range that backed up to my property, I’d probably be looking for another place I could move into within the next ten months.

However, the homeowner’s not doing anything against the law. He’s within his rights to have a range on his property, and Cintron is not, because her parcel of land isn’t big enough. He’s building his range safely, and there’ve been no code violations. More importantly, if this guy really wanted to hurt Cintron, as she seems to believe is the case, I don’t think he’d go through all the trouble of building a range in his backyard, and then try to fake an accidental and negligent shooting.

I’m guessing this guy is exactly what he told Cintron he was; a dude who’s excited and happy about having a place on his property where he can go shoot safely. I totally get it; it’s a wonderful feeling. In fact, just thinking about it makes me want to cut this piece short and head down to my shooting spot, but I will force myself to push through and reward myself with a quick trip to empty a few magazines as soon as this gets posted.

Should he have moved the range to make the couple happy, even if that meant shortening the range to 75 yards? I don’t think I would have, because if I were this guy, I wouldn’t be convinced that the move would ultimately satisfy the Cintrons.

This couple went to the local news station hoping for sympathy because they have no legal recourse.

While I don’t think Cintron’s in any danger from her neighbor’s backyard range, at least based on what I’ve seen, she will be hearing gunshots on a regular basis, and from not too far away. Her neighbor is doing his due diligence to ensure the range is safe, but I don’t know what he’ll be able to do about the sound short of using suppressors. You just know as soon as that range starts getting used the local TV station’s getting another call.
https://bearingarms.com/cam-e/2019/11/23/florida-couple-flips-out-over-neighbors-backyard-range/





Well Sparky at least I'm not a keyboard warrior hiding behind a fake name.

For the record I also only interviewed with Fox News and ABC the other news stories didn't interview me at all. I do love how the owner said back in October though he was going to do all these things to make it safe and guess what??? Yep, wait for it..... he hasn't done a single one, you know public records can show whether a permit was pulled to built that 45 ft wall that doesn't exist that he told the media he was building as well if your IQ was over 2 and you knew how to do anything other than Google my name . The pictures someone one else posted that were taken just in February also show no 45 ft wall either all lies and we already discussed the sheriff dept deputies are not qualified to access whether a range is properly constructed, our attorney already pointed that out as well that they have no certifications or qualifications to make that call and their attorney advised that portion should not have been in the report, it was that deputy's personal opinion not that of the Sheriff Dept legal( cause God knows they want to cover their ass after that remark too if something happens they don't want to be the ones pinned that they signed off on it).

Again I'm only one of several houses out here who retained the same attorney and reached out to the State legislative but carry on you little keyboard warrior with your brave aka sparky fake name, you're such a big brave guy hiding behind that fake name and keyboard you remind me of a chihuahua a neighbor once had smile I'm done debating with you, I was told you can teach others but you can't fix ignorance and your character has showed that you are just a low class, ignorant, sexist, keyboard warrior so pound away on your response to this one because I won't bite back, you're not worthy or capable of having an intelligent let alone civilized conversation, you're "that guy" ...

There were several valid points on this thread some of which I will take with me and ponder but none of them were yours so trust me when you type all I hear is blah blah blahhhhh cause as I told you several pages ago until you are ready to stand down range on my property line and allow them to shoot at you with the same hole in the ground berm and no upper back stop then you're just a squawking bird, a little finch among crows and I guess that makes me the Hawk because I don't hide behind a fake name, a keyboard or ignorance. I am the one who is 240 ft down range being shot towards with no upper berm and hearing the blast. I am one of the several houses out here who put my money where my mouth was and lawyer-ed up .

I came on here to give our ( the several homes out here not just mine) view, some were able to see some valid points and take away and then there were ones like you who went totally off the rail and looked up my pictures from my personal social media pages and consider swimwear soft porn ( apparently you've never been to a Florida beach ) you couldn't keep to the topic you had to keep straying and just making it personal attacks on me which just shows your character not mine. It just shows you cannot have a reasonable conversation so any reply you make will be overlooked moving forward...

I think you've done a good job a made your points of concern, this is a tough group.


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Originally Posted by rem141r
just because its legal, that doesn't make it right. if that guy knew he wanted a range, he should have bought more rural. he's a self-centered dickhead.


and ain't no way he's doing a 50 foot embankment. it would need a huge amount of space to get it that high.



A 45 or 50 foot "fence" capable of stopping a .50 BMG, or a 30-06 FMJ, would have to be made from some pretty thick timbers. Several feet at least, and either overlapping or two fences with packed dirt in between. That would cost many hundreds of thousands of dollars. Ain't no way the perp is going to spring for that.

And where the heck do you even get timbers 50 feet tall? Oh, they have to be sunk into the ground? Gonna need some concrete.

Concrete block walls? Hate to tell ya but a 30-06 will knock a hole right through them.

Many years ago I read of an experiment where various ammo was fired through pine boards 3/4 inch thick. 30-06 ball penetrated 72 of them. Now solid oak is not the same as pine boards but you get the idea. When one of my clubs had ricochet problems--and we had bulldozed what we thought was a safe berm--the NRA told us how to do it. The resulting assessment was well into six figures (I forget exactly how much). The solution wasn't anywhere near 50 feet tall.


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Originally Posted by IndyCA35
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just because its legal, that doesn't make it right. if that guy knew he wanted a range, he should have bought more rural. he's a self-centered dickhead.


and ain't no way he's doing a 50 foot embankment. it would need a huge amount of space to get it that high.



A 45 or 50 foot "fence" capable of stopping a .50 BMG, or a 30-06 FMJ, would have to be made from some pretty thick timbers. Several feet at least, and either overlapping or two fences with packed dirt in between. That would cost many hundreds of thousands of dollars. Ain't no way the perp is going to spring for that.

And where the heck do you even get timbers 50 feet tall? Oh, they have to be sunk into the ground? Gonna need some concrete.

Concrete block walls? Hate to tell ya but a 30-06 will knock a hole right through them.

Many years ago I read of an experiment where various ammo was fired through pine boards 3/4 inch thick. 30-06 ball penetrated 72 of them. Now solid oak is not the same as pine boards but you get the idea. When one of my clubs had ricochet problems--and we had bulldozed what we thought was a safe berm--the NRA told us how to do it. The resulting assessment was well into six figures (I forget exactly how much). The solution wasn't anywhere near 50 feet tall.

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Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
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This is a classic scenario regardless of a gun range. Homeowner ‘A’ buys a rural property an acre or two in size. They assume the current land use of their neighbors (or lack thereof) will remain the same. The surrounding land use changes or develops and homeowner ‘A’ get pissy. Buy a bigger piece of land next time.sorry


wrong we looked into our lot before we bought and the land beside us is not zoned for rifle or sport shooting range, HE should've bought a lot that was larger and not up against one of the most desired residential neighborhoods in our county where several homes would take action against him for it. We have private ranges on some of the other out skirt areas as well, no one is suing them or complaining about them,, you know why.. because they were smart enough to aim their berms away from homes rather than our guy who pointed it in the one direction of his property that faces everyone's homes out here. We asked him to turn it in the beginning and he chose not to,

As for women voting, you and Aka Sparky should get together you are clearly intimidated by a woman who probably makes more than you and clearly has much more intelligence than you with a comment like that smile

You're really pissed because you “think” your property values will go down. Leave your neighbors alone.it would have been better to continue to be nice and neighborly instead of doing what you're doing. Its documented that he tried working with you. Nice job


You got that backwards bud we tried to work with him but he wanted that extra 25 ft, you're correct it is documented though there were several homes out here who approached him not just me. He told everyone the same thing he wanted it that way. Another law firm reached out to us and was willing to get a range to donate time to him on our behalf but we told them not to even bother, he wasn't willing to turn it so why would he drive up the street and use a safe range?

Uhm and I don't plan to go anywhere so my value isn't a concern, I'm not looking to sell anytime soon, my house took over 1.5 years to build and it was a custom home so I have no plans on moving anytime soon. There are some houses out here concerned with that but I'm not one leaving anytime soon.

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Any wall that has much substance to it has to be signed off on with it's construction design by a licensed engineer in most states.

Again, for most states, a wall or structure of over 4' in height is where the engineering starts...

4' ain't much of a wall.

If you pay for an engineered wall of 20' or more in height, it'll be expensive. Very expensive.


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Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Originally Posted by rem141r
just because its legal, that doesn't make it right. if that guy knew he wanted a range, he should have bought more rural. he's a self-centered dickhead.


and ain't no way he's doing a 50 foot embankment. it would need a huge amount of space to get it that high.



A 45 or 50 foot "fence" capable of stopping a .50 BMG, or a 30-06 FMJ, would have to be made from some pretty thick timbers. Several feet at least, and either overlapping or two fences with packed dirt in between. That would cost many hundreds of thousands of dollars. Ain't no way the perp is going to spring for that.

And where the heck do you even get timbers 50 feet tall? Oh, they have to be sunk into the ground? Gonna need some concrete.

Concrete block walls? Hate to tell ya but a 30-06 will knock a hole right through them.

Many years ago I read of an experiment where various ammo was fired through pine boards 3/4 inch thick. 30-06 ball penetrated 72 of them. Now solid oak is not the same as pine boards but you get the idea. When one of my clubs had ricochet problems--and we had bulldozed what we thought was a safe berm--the NRA told us how to do it. The resulting assessment was well into six figures (I forget exactly how much). The solution wasn't anywhere near 50 feet tall.


yep you're both correct, we have spoken with experts who let us what would be needed to stop a 50 BMG and wood poles won't cut it because it's a matter of woodpecker, you hit it once now you have a week spot you keep hitting it now you have a hole,

They've done study's on all kinds of materials anything short of ballistic gel and steel enforced concrete wall is not sufficient ask any indoor range what they use as a back stop for high powered rifles it's not timber, now if he did poles then like 5 ft of sand backed by more poles so the sand didn't erode then possibly because it likely wouldn't penetrate past that sand it would also help buffer the noise some but his hole in the ground is an accident waiting to happen. It's not a matter of if it will but when it will and that comment came from a Federal Range Master who sets up ranges and trains

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Any wall that has much substance to it has to be signed off on with it's construction design by a licensed engineer in most states.

Again, for most states, a wall or structure of over 4' in height is where the engineering starts...

4' ain't much of a wall.

If you pay for an engineered wall of 20' or more in height, it'll be expensive. Very expensive.


You are correct. He told us originally he had a range engineer but he failed to want to provide the guys name. The guy who he was name dropping was build a commercial range which has nothing around it and is commercial, we were told by the engineers I spoke with and had some friends who more in this field inquire with, none of them would sign off on this , not that close to homes and not that caliber, no one wants to tag that liability, which actually it was the one range design engineer who told us we should also make sure he has insurance on this range since he owns a gun business and is stating he is using this to site custom made rifles. This is for business use aside from his personal use we are not zoned for that.

Our county code enforcement agent said anything that needs concrete will need a permit. If he plans on going over 4 ft you need concrete and really because of the sand anything he puts up would need to be stabilized as it is the sand is washing away now. He didn't re-enforce it when he dug it out with anything so here in Florida where we are known for sinkholes this guy dug a hole for a range

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Makes you wonder about all the other potential ranges that may pop up in the area in future.

We had the other problem with suburbia creeping into the area of a long established range - safety complaints were unfounded so mainly complaints about noise now. Moron house buyers obviously didn't hear the gun fire during the inspections. We were here first and are winning the battle - they've been whinging for a long time now but seem to be able to cry themselves to sleep at night okay.


we have plenty of other ranges out here and no issue with them, one guy shoots nightly another 15 minutes he should be starting up in fact ... no issue at all

The issue with this one is it is aimed at houses and he has NO upper berm at all he has a hole he dug out and that is great if you were firing a hand gun down in the hole but when you are shooting a 50 bmg and your are a 100 yds down range also on level ground and you have no upper berm or back stop that is reckless. Any rifle actually you would shoot from down on the level ground because if you're site is off then where is that stray heading?

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It's the distant ranges that can also present a risk. Here they apply a "danger zone template" around the range and it can extend for a few km behind the range backstop depending on the firearms that the range is licensed to use. In fact we can't use the high power "sniper" cartridges like the 338Lapua, 416 Cheytac on our public range because they exceed the licenced template. Or the 50BMG either but that is a different class of licence and not many people have those.

Anyone here recall the woman that was killed by a 303 ricochet off the water in New York? - I think it happened in the late 1960s. The woman was a mile from where the rifle was fired.


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Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Originally Posted by rem141r
just because its legal, that doesn't make it right. if that guy knew he wanted a range, he should have bought more rural. he's a self-centered dickhead.


and ain't no way he's doing a 50 foot embankment. it would need a huge amount of space to get it that high.



A 45 or 50 foot "fence" capable of stopping a .50 BMG, or a 30-06 FMJ, would have to be made from some pretty thick timbers. Several feet at least, and either overlapping or two fences with packed dirt in between. That would cost many hundreds of thousands of dollars. Ain't no way the perp is going to spring for that.

And where the heck do you even get timbers 50 feet tall? Oh, they have to be sunk into the ground? Gonna need some concrete.

Concrete block walls? Hate to tell ya but a 30-06 will knock a hole right through them.

Many years ago I read of an experiment where various ammo was fired through pine boards 3/4 inch thick. 30-06 ball penetrated 72 of them. Now solid oak is not the same as pine boards but you get the idea. When one of my clubs had ricochet problems--and we had bulldozed what we thought was a safe berm--the NRA told us how to do it. The resulting assessment was well into six figures (I forget exactly how much). The solution wasn't anywhere near 50 feet tall.

#earthembankment

#dumphuck


How do you make a 50 foot earth embankment where the ground is sand.

And don't swear at me. I'm not your wife.


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Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Originally Posted by alwaysoutdoors
Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Originally Posted by rem141r
just because its legal, that doesn't make it right. if that guy knew he wanted a range, he should have bought more rural. he's a self-centered dickhead.


and ain't no way he's doing a 50 foot embankment. it would need a huge amount of space to get it that high.



A 45 or 50 foot "fence" capable of stopping a .50 BMG, or a 30-06 FMJ, would have to be made from some pretty thick timbers. Several feet at least, and either overlapping or two fences with packed dirt in between. That would cost many hundreds of thousands of dollars. Ain't no way the perp is going to spring for that.

And where the heck do you even get timbers 50 feet tall? Oh, they have to be sunk into the ground? Gonna need some concrete.

Concrete block walls? Hate to tell ya but a 30-06 will knock a hole right through them.

Many years ago I read of an experiment where various ammo was fired through pine boards 3/4 inch thick. 30-06 ball penetrated 72 of them. Now solid oak is not the same as pine boards but you get the idea. When one of my clubs had ricochet problems--and we had bulldozed what we thought was a safe berm--the NRA told us how to do it. The resulting assessment was well into six figures (I forget exactly how much). The solution wasn't anywhere near 50 feet tall.

#earthembankment

#dumphuck


How do you make a 50 foot earth embankment where the ground is sand.

And don't swear at me. I'm not your wife.

Why 50 feet? Its ok as is .

But......its called engineered fill to answer your ignorant question.


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