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Dear Misty, I too once had a property that became compromised by a neighboring property owner. Mine was also a noise issue but no flying bullets. There was a commercial property between me and a very busy stretch of US 41 just north of Naples. A nursery took over the commercial property shortly after I'd purchased my land/home, they were operating heavy equipment starting at about 5am every morning loading trees on trucks that were heading out to their jobs for the day. The road noise from 41 was bad enough but the heavy equipment just ran the noise level over the top. The nursery operators were in violation of the local noise ordinance by starting about an hour earlier than allowed. I gave some serious thought to how to resolve the issue. I decided to build a berm for sound proofing my property, the nursery owners even assisted with some equipment help, they allowed me to encroach on their property line with my berm, they even threw me some plants to help landscape the berm when I had it finished. I've found that working with my neighbors can really pay off in the long run. As I see it's been mentioned in this thread of the possibility of you getting a variance from the county considering the uniqueness of your situation for them to allow you to build a berm. Have you attempted that? Maybe your neighbor would allow you to build a berm on his side of the line if you can mend the relationship and try and work together on this for resolve... Take a look at what a sound proofing berm can be if you use some creativeness. https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...-putting-in-a-swimming-pool#Post14842045You might not need a pond but a berm could enhance your home by a long ways if you are willing to accept some responsibility in reaching a conclusion on this that everyone can walk away happy with. I also see your home is behind the neighbors shooting range but you really aren't in the direct line of fire you try to make people believe you are. These images were taken February 4th 2020 Close to right behind but no cigar... Looks like a nice clean job.. Looks like he damn near might have the 40 or 45 feet he promised.. Something on top of that is casting a shadow, looks bermish to me Pretty nice pad he is building over there, appears there might be room for 8 or 10 cars to park inside. The neighbor must have some resources to be able to afford such a sweet home. He's probably had his battles in the past too, always somebody wanting to come after you if they think you have more than they do... You should really take a long deep breath and think about a happy ended for all.
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You're in Florida, and did I correctly hear available for free lance work?
Perhaps she could use an expert opinion regarding the containment features of the range. If he's using steel does it have the proper negative attitude, is the hole deep enough, and the back wall material sufficiently soft and vertical to contain anything fired into it regardless of the size, rapidity, or nature of the load.
If as Misty alleges, it just a bare hole regularly subjected to an intense pounding by her neighbor and his friends, the impacts of time could causes changes in the material. In the press video, it appears to be build on sandy soil. Fresh virgin sand is an excellent bullet stop. It allows deep, consistent penetration regardless of load, hard fmj's, soft lead, or open tip loads which quickly expend their energy into the pliable backstop are all readily contained.
As Misty pointed out, problems can arise as this material becomes weathered and aged, and is subjected to hard use, It naturally looses it's pliability and other natural qualities that permit fresh materials to seamlessly absorb any impact without the risk of ricochets spilling over into neighboring area's. This potential could be exasperates, if, as Misty alleges, no additional barrier was placed as promised, there's no mound, and all brush was removed.
Brush removal isn't always a negative. A hot round in the wrong bush can lead to a real sticky situation. If an unwanted brush fire rages out of control it can seriously impact the entire community, and create legal consequences for everyone involved for a couple of decades. Although it can have it's benefits, not everyone likes the bare look. Some prefer selective grooming of natural growth. Of course this can require regular maintenance before use, which will cause some owners, especially those of high usage facilities to go with the minimalist approach of just a bare hole. The clean well defined lines of a new subterranean range can be very appealing to a new owner, but the ravages of time and hard use typically don't treat them well, and you can end up with just an ugly eyesore that nobody wants to see.
Fortunately there are specialist who can rejuvenate old ranges. One technique is lead remediation. The involves removal of the hardened external layer of the backstop that's taken the brunt of the hard use. For range that regularly receive fire form extremely large rifles that deliver very large diameter deep penetrating rounds, rejuvenation can be significantly more expensive, and require the removal of additional material. Not all ranges will support such efforts. It's common for ranges over used ranges, especially public ranges, and those on or near military bases to be permanently closed to prevent the spread of contaminates. Soldiers like to shoot their guns, and they have a lot of big guns, but if lead gets into the surrounding ground water, sometimes there's no choice. I don't see this as a real risk. It sounds like this range is just used by the owner and a few close friends.
As previously mentioned, there's several options available for barrier materials. Steel plates can significantly reduce the wear on the back wall. Personally I'm very careful when choosing steel. I only choose the thickest most resilient steel for reputable manufacturers. I have a very long barreled gun that provide me a significant advantage when stalking highly sought after elusive quarry. Unfortunately even with the highest quality materials, this can lead to shortened barrier life, and with cheap products, frequent unintended breakage. To mitigate this, some range owners like to use a secondary barrier of a spongy material such as wood. Railroad ties are a popular options. Some people like treated ties. Although they may last longer and the nature of some treatments such as creosote, and bind with and further inhibit the projectiles, I'm not a fan of the smell or discoloration and prefer bare wood. Unfortunately there is a limited life for most wood, and if the owner wants to use it past about 60 years, it's increasingly likely they will need some kind of chemical treatment. Sixty year old chemically treated wood is seldom as good as young wood, but it can still get the job done, and some range owners appreciate the character, and familiarity, especially if they've had the same wood for decades.
Misty also suggest turning the range around. Range orientation can be critical for everyone's enjoyment. Although I haven't seen a diagram, and it's hard to tell from the video, It sounds like it's currently facing Misty's backdoor, and concussion from the owner and his friends banging away with their big guns is a new, disconcerting experience for her. Regardless, the changes she's proposing can be very expensive, costing the shooter a significant amounts of time and money. He can't just abandon the existing range, but would have to hire lawyers and get permits and even go to court. Getting rid of a range is a long tedious process, and although the shooters might appreciate a new freshly dug hole, a range with the wrong orientation, just might not work for him. Most shooters are pretty traditional and not willing to give up a large portion of their assets so their friends can bang at their own backdoor but appreciate easy comfort and familiarity of a normally oriented range.
Misty, perhaps the greatest range professional on The Fire is Dave. He's the embodiment of professionalism, managed some of the hardest worked high volume ranges, and in his free time, enjoyed many of the finest facilities in this country has to offer. Although I've never seen it, I have it on good authority that Dave's equipment's on the highest quality. As a high volume rapid fire shooter he's skilled at diagnosing ranges prone to excessive noise levels. He can determine if excessive lead contamination exist. Typically this can be accomplish by probing the backstop with the fingers to get an idea of the overall soil conditions, and the nature of the particulates that cling to the fingers. In necessary he can refer samples to a nationally qualified lab. Dave has great contacts due to his years of range management.
I understand you may already have a consultant, but I'm certain Dave would be a huge upgrade for you. He might not be the easiest person to work with, but he never leaves a customer unsatisfied, and they always come back for repeat business.
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This is about some internet troll (guy), that's been gaming you since page one. Some ppl have nothing better to do. The pictures posted were stolen from some bimbo's webpage, (that was probably created by the same dude.) Then how come the OP was JeffA and how come Misty was originally identified in a video from the local TV station that JeffA posted? Duh! You are correct, names, faces and all from the news interview. She's a live wire that has stumbled across the thread due to this site being so searchable via google...
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Just curious but why would anyone hire deFlave? About the only expertise I've seen him demonstrate in the last few years is drinking liquids out of milk cartons and misspelling lots of cuss words.
And if I'm wrong, and for some reason he is an expert on target backstops, why would the state or local authorities pay any attention to anything he says? Indy, The internet can be, and is an amazing resource. Dumb fugks like you simply take yourself too seriously to realize its full potential.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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For the record, I would not consider Dave to be local. He lives in the affluent and civilized portion of Florida.
Not Cousinfugkville.
Travis Thought that neighborhood was in Texas. That's a state. Not a neighborhood.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Dear Misty, I too once had a property that became compromised by a neighboring property owner. Mine was also a noise issue but no flying bullets. There was a commercial property between me and a very busy stretch of US 41 just north of Naples. A nursery took over the commercial property shortly after I'd purchased my land/home, they were operating heavy equipment starting at about 5am every morning loading trees on trucks that were heading out to their jobs for the day. The road noise from 41 was bad enough but the heavy equipment just ran the noise level over the top. The nursery operators were in violation of the local noise ordinance by starting about an hour earlier than allowed. I gave some serious thought to how to resolve the issue. I decided to build a berm for sound proofing my property, the nursery owners even assisted with some equipment help, they allowed me to encroach on their property line with my berm, they even threw me some plants to help landscape the berm when I had it finished. I've found that working with my neighbors can really pay off in the long run. As I see it's been mentioned in this thread of the possibility of you getting a variance from the county considering the uniqueness of your situation for them to allow you to build a berm. Have you attempted that? Maybe your neighbor would allow you to build a berm on his side of the line if you can mend the relationship and try and work together on this for resolve... Take a look at what a sound proofing berm can be if you use some creativeness. https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...-putting-in-a-swimming-pool#Post14842045You might not need a pond but a berm could enhance your home by a long ways if you are willing to accept some responsibility in reaching a conclusion on this that everyone can walk away happy with. I also see your home is behind the neighbors shooting range but you really aren't in the direct line of fire you try to make people believe you are. These images were taken February 4th 2020 Close to right behind but no cigar... Looks like a nice clean job.. Looks like he damn near might have the 40 or 45 feet he promised.. Something on top of that is casting a shadow, looks bermish to me Pretty nice pad he is building over there, appears there might be room for 8 or 10 cars to park inside. The neighbor must have some resources to be able to afford such a sweet home. He's probably had his battles in the past too, always somebody wanting to come after you if they think you have more than they do... You should really take a long deep breath and think about a happy ended for all. I believe Big Stick coined the phrase "reality ain't for everybody." LOL
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Just curious but why would anyone hire deFlave? About the only expertise I've seen him demonstrate in the last few years is drinking liquids out of milk cartons and misspelling lots of cuss words.
And if I'm wrong, and for some reason he is an expert on target backstops, why would the state or local authorities pay any attention to anything he says? Indy, The internet can be, and is an amazing resource. Dumb fugks like you simply take yourself too seriously to realize its full potential. fugks fugks fugks fugk fugks fugks fugks fugks fugks fugks fugks fugk fugks fugks fugks fugks Yep. That's your favorite word all right. Probably one of the only few you know. Too bad you don't know how to spell your word.
Don't blame me. I voted for Trump.
Democrats would burn this country to the ground, if they could rule over the ashes.
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fugks fugks fugks fugk fugks fugks fugks fugks fugks fugks fugks fugk fugks fugks fugks fugks
Yep. That's your favorite word all right. Probably one of the only few you know. Too bad you don't know how to spell your word.
Indy, You are a dumb [bleep]. I hope that brightens your day.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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For the record, I would not consider Dave to be local. He lives in the affluent and civilized portion of Florida.
Not Cousinfugkville.
Travis Thought that neighborhood was in Texas. That's a state. Not a neighborhood. Not the entire state you housebound vacuumer. A neighborhood IN texas. Cousinfugkville, TX. 75014 Try to keep up. Sheesh. Hold into the breeze.
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli
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A group of honest Texans?
I find that hard to believe.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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fugks fugks fugks fugk fugks fugks fugks fugks fugks fugks fugks fugk fugks fugks fugks fugks
Yep. That's your favorite word all right. Probably one of the only few you know. Too bad you don't know how to spell your word.
Indy, You are a dumb [bleep]. I hope that brightens your day. That's better. Keep trying. Practice makes perfect.
Don't blame me. I voted for Trump.
Democrats would burn this country to the ground, if they could rule over the ashes.
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fugks fugks fugks fugk fugks fugks fugks fugks fugks fugks fugks fugk fugks fugks fugks fugks
Yep. That's your favorite word all right. Probably one of the only few you know. Too bad you don't know how to spell your word. You spelled FÜCK wrong.
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Neighbor lady,
Show us your T.ITS!!
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Just because one CAN do something does not mean one SHOULD do something.
Agreed.
Biden's most truthful quote ever came during his first press conference, 03/25/21. Drum roll please...... "I don't know, to be clear." and THAT is one promise he's kept!!!
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Seriously, why didn't "Misty" and all her concerned friends take their money and offer to purchase 300 feet of 72 inch corrugated steel pipe? Maybe a "Go Fund Me Page" to promote public safety.
Then the neighbor could have a full underground range. At $100/ft it would probably have been cheaper than the lawyer fees. The entire facility would have been 100% contained and safe and quieter than all those "other" neighborhood ranges.
But, no. They have to try and shut him down entirely. The good stuff is more.
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Judging from the video in the op, misty is gonna keep posting until we're all standing behind her staring at the ground. This has already happened to my amazement. All it took to gain sympathy on this geezer infested forum is to be white female, passable looks, questionably blonde and buxom, under 55 years old maybe. If Ahmaud Arbery's twin would have come here with the same complaint not much sympathy would have been forthcoming. Around here it pays to be a girl. Chivalry is not dead on the 24HCF.
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Jesus: "Take heed that no man deceive you."
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Neighbor lady,
Show us your T.ITS!! AOD, Misty's very proud of all the hard works she puts into maintaining her trim body. She has a nice spread on her Facebook account. Here you go: https://www.facebook.com/misty.lee.3110/photos
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Meh, bolt ons. Might have been pretty otherwise..
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Neighbor lady,Show us your T.ITS!! Already has, such as they are.
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Jesus: "Take heed that no man deceive you."
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I will leave the stalking to you.
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