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Well if you were one of the ones shooting YOU should have no problem standing down range when he is shooting towards you then After all you feel there is no concern SO we will continue to watch for you standing out back while they fire and again if we don't see you then the pot calling the kettle black, you are a keyboard warrior ...it's one thing to validate your point it's another to hide behind a keyboard, so until I see a picture of you 200 ft away from someone shooting a 50 BMG and fully automatic with no upper backstop between you and the hole in the ground then your opinion is just a keyboard warrior one because I guarantee you would not stand out there yet you feel my son should be 100 % safe out there riding our 4 wheelers with his friends while they shoot ... so put your money where your mouth is ... till then you are just squawking as you said "your own words" actions speak more than words

"LEO's are not trained range design engineers "

Neither are you.

What in the world do you think you'll accomplish by rambling on this board? No one here can sway your opinion, and you won't sway someone who disagrees with your stance. No one here has any power to effect the outcome of your situation. Why are you wasting your time?

Oh, you're used to getting your way.

You're absolutely correct, I am not a range design engineer which is why we reached out to some and none we found would sign off on this.
My only point was to point out some of the facts of the story, you are again correct I will never be able to sway the opinion of some who already made up their mind, some of them I'm confident if a stray blew through my son himself, they would still argue that he has every right to shoot and we should've moved as well as every house within reach out here...

No, I'm not use to getting my way either and this probably is a waste of my time but it surely has opened up some eyes and I have also had some extremely qualified people in this area reach out to me and offer their help from these forums. It has also opened up some people in Florida on how loose the law was written, for those who are not aware here you can read it yourself 790.15 and 790.33 are the statues for shooting in Florida, now compare that to other state's and also see how they contradict each other when you read them, one says you can not shoot on your property if you have less than an acre the other says you can shoot on your property if you have less than acre ...

Any number of agencies could, and would, shut it down if the found a legitimate and immediate public safety concern. If they haven't done so, you won't get it done.

You do realize that most of what you have blathered on this board would (not could, but would) be used against you if something were to happen and you tried to sue someone?
You believed yourself in danger. You had the time, opportunity, and means to remove yourself from that danger. You didn't because you're standing on the same stubbornness and property rights that your neighbor is.

All you're doing is paying for your attorney's new car and trying to get a little marketing for your "assets".

If you think your son is in danger, remove him from that danger. That is YOUR responsibility, regardless of your neighbors actions. If you don't, you suck as a mother.

ok so are you willing to buy my new house to provide for us to just up and move? Let me also get this straight it is your opinion that if one of the household members out here gets shot by this reckless guy that it would be our faults?? because we didn't all sell our brand new homes that we built and moved into before this guy who doesn't even live out here yet?? OKKKKKKKK

Let me remind you it isn't just my house either so should everyone out here just up and move or are we ALL crappy parents?
The paper trail is backwards too my dear, there is an extensive paper trail to both the state and county and the state has referred us to have the county address it and the only way to address it per the way the statue is written ( which I provided you the actual statues to educate yourself is to go through a court and you can also google Pasco county which is one county over and read about the Olympian who got shut down by her county but had to go through the courts,so again educate yourself before you come swinging at me...

As far attorney fees, again we are not the only house out here who retained the attorney she represents several homes out here not just us sighhhh she also had other firms reach out to her and offer their assistance as well. We found her through recommendation through the firm who sued the State of FL last year and WON on this issue...so let us worry about our attorney fees it's under control

He has been cukked in the corner chair.
Lol!!!

Won't work to solve her problem. The loudest noise comes from the sonic boom of the bullet. A 50BMG is still supersonic after it leaves the tires.

And it won't solve the ricochet problem down range. I'm no expert but I've been associated with two ranges that had ricochet problems from rifle bullets off the berm. I don't think the range inthe photo is safe.

Get range safety guidlines from the NRA and then file an injunction. Shouldn't matter if there is a Florida statute. The issue is endangering lives, not following some ordnance.

I don't buy that at all, if he damages any property or worse hurts someone he's screwed. And my guess is so is the county.

If you are genuinely in fear for life, yes, it is your responsibility to remove yourself. As I said, if you have not, then you are being just as stubborn and standing on the same property rights that he is. No, I will not provide for you, it is not my,or anyone else's responsibility. It is yours. Get over it.

I realize that this is a great big deal to you. To everyone else here on this board, myself included, it is a minor distraction and simple amusement. Funny that you can't even see that you're a drama queen that doesn't understand why the masses aren't rising up to save little 'ol you.

If you have the money to waste on attorney, then you have the means to go live somewhere that the scary "military grade" weapons won't deafen you.

Side note: I get the feeling that the way your paragraphs are written and constructed is a lot like you must be in real life. One run-on sentence after another.

There is no affirmative duty to move out of one's pre-existing house when some clod starts shooting bullets in you rdirection.

Maybe she should just get a very loud boom box, some amplifiers, and high powered flashing spotlight and blast back. After all, it's on her property.

Alternately, why can't the property owners get the city or township or whatever to pass a noise ordance?

Yes, he would be screwed, but so would she. Remember that cases are not always just one persons fault or the other persons fault. Quite often it is proportional. And, if you knowingly kept yourself in a situation that you believed yourself to be in imminent danger, even though you had opportunity and means to remove yourself from that danger, you are just as culpable as the person who acted recklessly.

That is exactly what we have to do is go through the courts for an injunction because of the way the statue is written and we won't be the first case to have done that and won, we have had other's reach out to us and provide their help so even though I have to sort through the keyboard warrior comments who aren't willing to put their mouth where their fingers type are and stand at the end of the hole when he is shooting ( I would even let them stand on our side of the line ) they sure love to give their input on how safe they feel it is and how quiet and acceptable they think it is, so it is nice to have a guy like you who understands logic unlike the last guy who's solution is everyone out here should sell their homes and move otherwise we are all bad parents.... cause you know everyone who just built a brand new home should go buy another home and pay capital gains or take hefty hits so that the one guy who doesn't even live out here yet can continue with his recklessness... sighhh I just can't even rationalize with some of these folks but I have found MOST side with us that what he isn't doing isn't the smartest or most logical way and most would not want this in their back yard as well.

We have documentation from both the County and the State level in writing both stating " they do not agree this is safe, however the way the statue is written which is why there are so many suits on this statue and topic in FL our only option was to hire an attorney ( which several households did out here not just me) and file because under the exceptions portion of the statue a Judge can decide if it is unsafe, the Gov sent EPA out they didn't agree with him either and made him pull additional permit for drainage, the AG has advised our County 2xs to look under our zoning laws which our attny pointed out does not allow a rifle range on Ag- Res only agriculture lots for our county and although our county sides they don;t fee this is smart or safe they are afraid of being removed from office from the way the statue reads hence why they met with our attorney, they are willing to work with our attorney, but some people on here can't read they would rather stalk my personal life instead and comment on me personally ( although none of them commenting on me personally bothered to point out there are plenty of pictures of me with my AR and my Glock and my 40 S&W pictures that all pre-date this issue validating I am an avid shooter myself I am not against guns or private ranges, apparently their eyes have tunnel vision though ) . So thank you again for your support and logic

Well let me point out the County is working on our attorney side so they are covering their tracks and not one county attorney or one commissioner or State rep who also side with us has ever mentioned that we should uproot and sell, that would require almost 20 brand new homes out here sell in one of the most desired neighborhoods heck the one family who have small children literally just moved in last week, the other one on their street hasn't even had a chance to close on their final loan modification yet.. so that is your reply you think the county is going to tell everyone out here to sell and then what the people who buy after them should continue to just keep selling as revolving door as well? That logic makes no sense

In this free country there will situations where people are not going to see eye to eye, but to ruin you and your families life over something of inconvenience just behooves me. You've obviously not found how short life really is , there are plenty of hazards and challenges coming your way . You can solve this dilemma by selling this house and simply building another one in an area that is more to your liking , and a home that you and your family will be safe and happy.
The first thing to do when you find yourself in a hole......well you know the rest ! Life is far to short to make yourself miserable.

It's called a deliberate indifference lawsuit, we brought it to the County and State's attention so as I pointed out earlier not one county commissioner who sides with us nor one State rep who sided with us suggested we sell and move nor have they suggested it to any other homes out here in fact one State rep owns a few of the houses being constructed out here under his real estate company so why on Earth would they suggest people sell their new homes rather than address the one home no one lives in yet? Hence why they collectively met with our attorney ( the county attorney, the code enforcement manager, the zoning administer, the sheriff dept attorney all met with out attorney on this topic) not a one of them suggested anyone out here would be liable if someone got shot other than the range owner . ...

Any link for nudes yet?

If it were that easy we certainly could we have another lot out here we can build on but there is no guarantee the way our statue is written we wouldn't do the exact same thing take 1.5 years to custom build a house like we did and end up with same thing in our back yard again in town even, and again I'm not the ONLY home out here in the line of fire, I'm just the closest one the shooter has argues my house is close enough he feels it would go over my house and further into populated area so how would you resolve that? You suggest every house move out here? Then what those people sell and the new owners find out their in the line of fire they sell too and it's a revolving door for the one guy who doesn't even live out here yet? The shooter doesn't live out here, he is building his own but comes out and shoots now...

We are working with code enforcement on the noise ordinance you have to really read our Statue 790.33 to fully understand why county officials referred us to the courts. There is a section that states any official who tries to supersede the state overseeing all gun legislation can be removed from office and given a 5000 fine. That is why there are a ton of lawsuits on this Statue your only option is to have a judge decide which is under the exceptions order of the statue.

What a dumbell you are.

Suppose I moved next to your trailer, shack, or hovel, and started to play rap music on a boombox at 3:00 AM. Hmmmm? Would you just quietly pack up, sell your house, and move? Tell me about it.

Gimme a break. Honestly, I don't know why I reply to such stupid posts as yours.

Cant believe this thread is still running.

I think you meant befuddles.