You are absolutely correct that many of these folks who say they would be comfortable living at the end ( literally 200 feet is what the County measured the distance is from the end of his berm to me,) BTW I am the crazy cat lady ( who owns no cats btw) who the bleach & botox has settled in who apparently according to some but hey I love a good laugh too ) all good I find those who like to pick apart others usually have their own demons they're battling...Although my husband was staring down because he is a fire/medic who just came off a 24 hour shift and saved 2 lives in those 24 hours so he was a little tired that morning.
I am actually a huge 2nd amendment supporter and have quite my own rifle and hand gun collections. I go 6 miles up the road to our local range quite often to practice. I am a licensed CCW carrier as well so this is NOT at all a battle on guns or 2nd amendment rights, this is about common sense and SAFETY. The first rule of the NRA is know your back stop and further more what is behind it because no shot is guaranteed. We have a ton of private ranges around us all out here and no one is bothering any of those other folks because they did it safely and they are not shooting fully automatics and 50 BMG aimed at residential homes. We have one guy who shoots every night and good for him and God bless his ammo bill monthly lol . The man in question is an arms dealer as well though and openly said he will not only be shooting these high powered rifles but he test them on his private range, so how easy is it for something to be off and go wrong and now you just fired a 50 BMG towards several homes. We have mainly .25 -.50 acre lots here folks we are not country folk out here at all... We have 2 schools less than 900 feet away as well. Some other parents and a school official have already complained that kids panicked one day during a "shooter on campus drill" because they heard his shots and thought it wasn't a drill. REALLY not cool at all. Another mom out here called sheriff concerned a shooter was out here and that her kid was going to get shot getting off the bus... so I know the news chose to put my face on the "battle' since I am the closest home but trust me when I say it's not my battle alone out here at all. We met with a few attorneys before we all collectively agreed on the one we chose to retain.
So here is an update on the range since November so we can help clear some of the air up, yes it is legal to have a private range in Florida if you have more than acre and is considered reasonably safe. Now since all this began we ( I am not the only neighbor who has an issue with this man there are several homes out here who all retained the same attorney over this issue, so yes it is legally being handled) 2 homes out here have both received letters from the Florida Attorney General pointing us to our county commissioners and zoning to address this since per planning and planning and development in our area does not allow a rifle range, only Ag land can have those and this man is the one who bought his property butted up against a completely residential area and then chose to aim his range at the residential area homes. He could have aimed it at his own home, he could have turned it towards a direction that butts up against over 40 acres that have no homes in its path and we did ask him to turn it and he refused, he offered to build another one aimed in that direction for hand gun use but did not want to turn the rifle range because he is and has been shooting a 50 BMG on this range that is only 200 FEET from our home. So for those of you who think this is cool, please tell me what range allows you to shoot a 50 BMG 200 Feet from someone? ? I called over 100 ranges and not a single one would allow anything like this.
There is the debate on the 45 ft wall berm, for those of you who called BS on him YOU were correct he hasn't done a single thing other than the hole you see dug out which yes washes away with each rain we have here in Florida, so he has about an 12 ft dug out hole but nothing above ground at all so those of you who said if he misses and goes over his berm it is dangerous YOU are also correct and it is aimed right at my son's bedroom and anyone who knows a 50 BMG knows that will blow right through our block walls and into our home, heck several rifles would at those close a range... We told him if he feels it is so safe for all our children and grandchildren out here then why doesn't he send his own kids out back to play behind it when they shoot? I mean his buddy who came over and shot with him bragged to some of the neighbors who he failed epically at trying to rally behind him that when he shot the 50 BMG his son who is under 5 was in his lap! Great parenting skills there... I take my son to a range as well he is a little older but I would never have him on my lap while shooting a 50 BMG , that' s just reckless.. This man shoots fully automatic rifles on this range with his friends not just himself, he shoots his 50 BMG and his friend was kind enough to post pictures all over Facebook bragging about how proud they are and as well as the ammo they were using and magically a tree on our lot behind his range got snapped in half clean snap, when we made police report.. they suddenly claimed they were using frangible ammo ( although that isn't what was pictured in their pictures all over Facebook) doesn't take a genius to figure out that was a lie...not to mention we have audio recording of it and you can tell the difference in the sound between a frangible and a live round and we have a ton of ex military folks out here in our residential area that all heard the shots who called BS on the frangible as well.....
For those who say I should sell and move... why would I move when I built first and I'm not the one alone in this battle? There are several homes out her suing this man all with the same attorney. Now I did just have my house appraised 6 months prior to his build so if those who say he would make an awesome neighbor would like to cut me a check for the value, he can be their awesome neighbor, although I have pointed that out on other sites and I check my mail daily and there are still no checks so I guess they don't really want him as a neighbor as well.
For those who mentioned the noise, YOU are correct as well. I have now began to see a hearing specialist who has documented I have irreversible hearing damage in my one ear since this began. I never go to the range when I shoot without hearing protection because that would be ( well first off the range requires hearing protection ) and 2nd it's common sense. Now imagine being at the end of a range 200 feet away aimed in your direction and having rapid fire and a 50 BMG with no hearing protection on... I also work from home so I have been on conference calls with clients who have heard the rapid fire in the back ground and had to explain the situation as well as why my dogs are howling in the back ground as well ( and yes they can still hear the gun shots over my dogs howling on my work calls and videos ).
For those who think he might just be a stand up guy as well, the EPA was sent out per our Governor here in Florida on our behalf after another neighbor reached out to his office. He sent them out and they went after this guy for clearing more than an acre of land without the proper permits. He is a contractor he knows you are required to pull permits and still didn't, he didn't even pull the permit to clear his lot until after our State Rep was already made aware of the situation, then he went and pulled a permit ( mind you the lot was already cleared and the hole dug at this point) sound sketchy to you? Yeah we all thought so too
For the person who mentioned home owners insurance YOU are correct we asked him point blank if his home owners insurance was aware of this situation... his response... I think so I'm not sure... hmmm ( scratch head that bleached botox head lol ) you think they know? SO other words they don't because you didn't let your bank who holds the liability during your build right know but rest assure they will and rest assure they will require an additional liability policy and from the brokers I've called and inquired with ,,,wheeeeewwww it would've been a lot cheaper for you to have just went and bought a 10+ acre lot on an agriculture zoned plot that this would make more sense to do on. So for those who felt I or all the other neighbors out here should move.. maybe the other guy should actually move to a more realistic location to do what he is looking to do with the calibers he would like to shoot, OR turn it towards his own home... after all what he is doing is safe right?? So it should be safe to point at his kids rather than ours. He doesn't even live out here yet and he has shot several times with others and his one friend went door to door trying to gather support ( he found 2 homes not in the line of fire to support him ) and he bragged how this guy is going to throw a huge open house party and light it up...
Although final note is he has been quite recently since our attorney met with the County. She made it quite clear of our rights and how unsafe this is and how fully prepared she is to move forward to the next step with the State as well as with expert witnesses who are certified in this particular area of range design, ballistics and psychological and health effects it has on those around us. We have a a lot of veterans out here, law enforcement and well I got to know all my neighbors really fast and really well we actually have a gun shot survivor who has children and his house is also right in the line of fire, his new house that he built for his kids to have a safe place to play, imagine the look on his face when he saw the pictures of the range and heard the guns he fired the first time...
I thought your hair looked nice.
At first I thought you had let us down with this response, Travis. It took me a few minutes to see the wisdom of your words.
Yes I am Misty and yes I am aware attorney's love to drag out fights in litigation but it might be cheaper for him to move then since I only have to pay a portion of our attorney bills since there are several households out here on the same retainer so our legal fees have been split up where his are all his, I just built my home out here last year and it took over a year and half to build I'm not going anywhere and the State has made it quite clear in the letters back 2 two households that they don't agree with his side..
Whether the state agrees or not is pretty moot at the stage this is in.
Unless there's legislation already passed, then he built legally. And any future laws would probably contain a grandfather clause, because he had done the range before the law.
I wouldn't care for noise from a commercial range, myself. (I'm sure my private range isn't approved of by some of my neighbors. But I have it constructed well, and shoot only towards the back of my own ranch.)
Being as most states have laws that say they cannot fire a projectile across the property line, I'd consider putting up a solid, thin barrier that would show any hits from projectiles, and use that as prima facie evidence of not only criminal negligence, but civil grounds for endangerment.
The noise, the safety issue, and her property value will take a serious hit.
"if it's so safe, why didn't he build it pointed towards his house"......
Hard to argue that fact.
You did not see the video?
Sure I did, tell me what I missed.
The reporter walking down the face of the berm to start. The claim he is going to build it higher is good, even if he stops lower than his claimed 45 feet. A roof in front of his bench to deflect idiot high angle shots and there is no way they can hit her house without trying.
Noise is a serious problem, but he is still legal.
Other than the alleged claim of a 45 feet berm, None of the details you mentioned are in the video, Nice attempt of deflection though on your part.
You had asked if I had watched the video, Now I'm wondering if you watched it....
Still find it interesting the lack of common sense gun safety displayed here, and all the Kool Kids tripping over themselves trying to up their post count.
My final question, once again,
Your building your own rifle range in your small backyard,
Are you pointing the range towards your own house, or away from it?
I already know the answer.
My range is built directly behind my house, how the heck can you shoot a rifle off your back porch at your own home? I can definitely see why she doesn't think it's a good idea for him to be shooting towards her house. The noise is more of an issue than the safety issues, but she has no case as long as he shoots between 6 am and 10 pm.
He has gone to a specialist as well. He goes to a different one than I go to and his isn't as bad as mine but we both have baselines and documentation, my son is also in therapy because he was afraid to even stay here the first week. I'm thankful right now my son's hearing doesn't seem to be impacted yet but then again he is a typical pre-teen who always has head phones on anyhow...
He has gone to a specialist as well. He goes to a different one than I go to and his isn't as bad as mine but we both have baselines and documentation, my son is also in therapy because he was afraid to even stay here the first week. I'm thankful right now my son's hearing doesn't seem to be impacted yet but then again he is a typical pre-teen who always has head phones on anyhow...
If I were your husband, I’d think long and hard before I did anything to prevent hearing loss.
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He has gone to a specialist as well. He goes to a different one than I go to and his isn't as bad as mine but we both have baselines and documentation, my son is also in therapy because he was afraid to even stay here the first week. I'm thankful right now my son's hearing doesn't seem to be impacted yet but then again he is a typical pre-teen who always has head phones on anyhow...
If I were your husband, I’d think long and hard before I did anything to prevent hearing loss.
He has gone to a specialist as well. He goes to a different one than I go to and his isn't as bad as mine but we both have baselines and documentation, my son is also in therapy because he was afraid to even stay here the first week. I'm thankful right now my son's hearing doesn't seem to be impacted yet but then again he is a typical pre-teen who always has head phones on anyhow...
You can pursue the hearing damage thing if you want. But I sure don't buy it.
While you are able to hear gunshots at the distance the range is from your house, I surely don't buy the claim that you have hearing damage from it.
The decibels fall off pretty sharply behind a berm, and with distance. Lots of military studies done on that. Lots of proof needed to make that case. The burden is one you. (Not just a hearing exam which can be faked...)
He could reverse his range in his direction. If you saw the pictures of how close his house is being built to the range and how close my house is to the end of his berm you would probably laugh at that your own statement because my house is closer to the end of his berm than his house is so he could easily turn it to face his own home if he truly feels what he is doing is so safe. He originally told us he was going to put up poles as a backstop as well as additional sand behind those poles which would A) help with safety and B) yes help reduce some of the noise, and he swore no one was going to shoot on that range till all that was done because he himself said "it's not safe , I'm not even close to being done, he told Fox news the same things that no one is shooting on it till then " well guess what those were lies... he who said himself it's not safe yet is shooting some really high caliber and rapid fire weapons on that range that is only 200 FEET not yards FEET from us aimed in our direction , his buddy was ignorant enough to state if they shot over the berm my house is close enough that it would probably go over my house... which would then go into a cluster of more homes because I'm the house on the end of the cuddlesac so going over mine and into even more populated area isn't any better but that's the kind of people we are dealing with ... I even reached out to the guy out in Texas who runs the Hidden Spring Ranch since he had his own tv show on hunting and often featured videos of a BMG, he was sent the distance, aerial pictures from a drone so that there was no manipulating or speculating and he couldn't believe what he was seeing. A lot of research and reaching out to a ton of ranges, ballistic experts, range design engineers, heck I even have the actual Army ballistic on guide sent to me from a very decorated veteran who reached out on our behalf and used many weapons on his multi tours over seas and couldn't believe when he came to my house how close this is to our home and stressed how unsafe this was. Trust me I did reach out and ask both of those guys as well as Federal Agent who walked the land and shook his head in disbelief as well, a state trooper who lives out here who can't believe he did this, code enforcement even reached out ATF who warned him the minute a stray passes his property line he is in a world of hurt. However with a 50 BMG or fully automatic that is shooting off 100 rounds a minute there isn't room for error to wait for that first stray to cross, it's reckless. I even randomly asked the guys who run the range I go too if I could bring my BMG there to shoot and they looked at me sideways first ( my guess is because they see me bring my AR but probably couldn't vision me with a 50 BMG lol ) they hesitantly said yeah but only on the 200 yard range I said " oh I don't know that's far can I start out in the 100 yard range? " they looked at me even more sideways and said what model do you have exactly and that is when I came clean with them and told them I was the one dealing with the guy on the news shooting a 50 BMG 200 feet away and they went over all the reasons why that is not safe and how reckless that is and pointed me in the direction of some NRA contacts who agreed as well in this scenario " Just because you can, doesn't mean you should" ,,,thanks for your time
i have my own 100 yard rifle range with a berm and had some Asian woman and her Asian mother and neither were American citizens fight me with the county Sheriff department and some of these law enforcement dudes were jerks to me and county attorneys were too. but i had a attorney who was better and smarter when it went to court the judge was pissed at the sheriffs department and county attorneys,judge threw it out of court made them all apologize to me. told those two non-American women from Asia leave or get used to it this America and he is free to do what he wants on his property period.it was almost funny how it went down judge also said if anyone bothered me again he would have them arrested and fined ,because i was doing nothing wrong in the county or America . my range is not pointed at anyone`s house and those Asian people lived a quarter mile away in the opposite direction of my gun range and now they moved to Australia because they found out they could get more free money out of that country > go figure ?
So many opinions, assumptions and incorrect information makes me wonder who’s giving her this info. I hope she has a big pile of money because this case is going to get drawn out long enough to pay for her lawyers new yacht. 1) He’s not breaking the law. 2) It’s his property. Case closed. Your feelings don’t really matter.
You do realize he has no upper berm so there is nothing baffling the sound and you do realize I'm only 200 feet away down range right?? So you're telling me if I came about 200 feet from you and shot a 50 BMG and you had no ear protection on that wouldn't effect your hearing? Yes there is a ton of research behind it which is why the military is trying to contract all their 50 BMG have suppressors even with their ear protection .. I have literally been in my house and on video call with client who jumped because it scared the crap out of them when he fired. We have neighbors who is an ex ranger scout who lives 6 blocks up easily and he can hear it clear as day in his home.. You are correct though I will have the burden of proof lucky for my husband and I we both had baselines showing we had no hearing issues prior to this and now I have ringing in my right ear all the time on and off the first few days always after he fires,I get massive headaches now from the constant ringing and I can't hear really loud pitched noises on the hearing test and in today's testing it's pretty hard to fake a test with the technology they use especially when they know it is documentation that will subject in a suit. We have not filed that suit just yet, the collective suit we have with the other households has kept us busy enough.
No one is saying he can't have a range either, he just needs to take the safety precautions that a responsible person would do. Tell me one range you have ever been to that will allow you to shoot a fully automatic or 50 BMG that has absolutely no berm above the ground? You do understand all he has is the hole he dug right? He has no dirt even above the ground, he took the dirt from the hole he dug out and used that to level his lot rather than using it as a back stop above the ground which might have made a little more sense. I'm sure if you could envision your neighbor goes out 200 feet behind you digs a hole then comes out on level ground not in the hole but level ground and starts to aim at you... Yeah as long as he aims down and knows how to shoot, chances are you should be ok, but man if he's off and it's not hard to be off when you're siting a rifle and off 1" makes a huge difference now how would you feel about him aiming that at you knowing there is nothing in between you and him at all but a few trees? You can see my house in the background of the video to see it's not a ton of trees either between us.
I agree your situation is very different and that was uncalled for especially if they weren't even citizens and it wasn't putting them in harm. Happy shooting on your range
You do realize he has no upper berm so there is nothing baffling the sound and you do realize I'm only 200 feet away down range right?? So you're telling me if I came about 200 feet from you and shot a 50 BMG and you had no ear protection on that wouldn't effect your hearing?
If the range is 100yds, that is 300', if you're 200' behind that, that's 500' from where he's shooting. If you want him to build the range the other direction, he'll be closer to you and it'll be louder for you when he shoots, presumably doing further damage to your ears.
A 50BMG @ 166yds isn't going to harm anyone's hearing.
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The noise, the safety issue, and her property value will take a serious hit.
"if it's so safe, why didn't he build it pointed towards his house"......
Hard to argue that fact.
You did not see the video?
Sure I did, tell me what I missed.
The reporter walking down the face of the berm to start. The claim he is going to build it higher is good, even if he stops lower than his claimed 45 feet. A roof in front of his bench to deflect idiot high angle shots and there is no way they can hit her house without trying.
Noise is a serious problem, but he is still legal.
Other than the alleged claim of a 45 feet berm, None of the details you mentioned are in the video, Nice attempt of deflection though on your part.
You had asked if I had watched the video, Now I'm wondering if you watched it....
Still find it interesting the lack of common sense gun safety displayed here, and all the Kool Kids tripping over themselves trying to up their post count.
My final question, once again,
Your building your own rifle range in your small backyard,
Are you pointing the range towards your own house, or away from it?
I already know the answer.
My range is built directly behind my house, how the heck can you shoot a rifle off your back porch at your own home? I can definitely see why she doesn't think it's a good idea for him to be shooting towards her house. The noise is more of an issue than the safety issues, but she has no case as long as he shoots between 6 am and 10 pm.
If your replying to me,
"how can you shoot off your back porch at your own home" ????
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