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You're laughable.

I don't know about Florida but around here if the neighbor's teenagers are having a too-loud party, the cops come and shut 'em down.

There's a sonic crack as the bullet breaks the speed of sound...

BUT, it's not louder than the muzzle blast.

If it were, the suppressor companies would be out of business.

Geez.

Before I call you and the two other guys delusional, it occurs to me that you may be unfamiliar with various different tyoes of ammunition. So I will restate it.

Pay attention. You may learn something.

If you go to a High Power rifle match where the range is 200 yards, and stand in the pits (where the targets are), the sonic ":crack" from either a 5.56mm 69 grain bullet launched at 2700 fps or a .308" 168 grain bullet launched at 2700 fps will be louder and will hurt your ears more than the report of the rifle from 200 yards uprange.

That's the facts, Jack.

The "muzzle blast" is louder from the firing line. (The sonic boom is not heard there because it propogates down range.) Suppressors help with that.

Suppressors have no effect on sonic booms, which is why ammo like the .300 Blackout, which is subsonic and doesn't make a boom, was invented.

Bet you wouldn't enjoy it so much if his firing line was 500 ft. away rather than half a mile. Particularly with him firing toward your house. Like I said in a previous post, my nearest neighbor is 264 yards down the road {rangefinder verified} and I seldom shoot anything but rimfires here out of common courtesy and NEVER in their direction.

All I can see is in this video,
The photos the complainer is posting don't show much.
Why crop out all but a small fraction of your images and say the whole thing has failed?

Back up and show us a updated wide angle shot......

Not even if I was still a drinking man.

That's just weird.

There you go a picture from the street view in the back corner circled for you they were cropped because you're not going to see the erosion from a far distance and those pics were back in November from when the County was looking into him with the EPA, sorry can't get you more recent ones we kind of don't get along for me to go grab new ones ...

Look at this creature:

https://www.instagram.com/md44815/?hl=en

Her face is worse than Joan Rivers’.

There ain't no way that's going to keep .30s, much less .50s in it.

Here's another angle for you from the street I have to circle to show you where it even is since there is no upper berm... so now tell me would you be comfortable with 100s of rounds firing at you 200 ft from his berm or with a 50 BMG being "tested" aimed at you with that berm and that close of proximity?

I'm pretty familiar with all you discuss, and I give you that accuracy in wording.

What you're discussing is when the bullet passes you at beyond the speed of sound. As it was with working the rifle range as a scorer.

But is the perceived loudness the same when the bullet does not pass you? (If it were stopped by the berm...)

Another interesting phenomenon is bullet impact, and the sound it makes. It's all relative to your position to the gun firing, and the object impacted. I've heard some shots strike a deer or a hog, that the impact sound was louder than what I perceived the gunshot to be.

What actual decibel readings 200ft from the rear of the pit/berm, where the rifle is fired 100 yards before that is still in question. I imagine only a test with a decibel meter would give a correct answer.

Freedom is well defined:

"Freedom's just another word






for nothing left to lose"

Apologies to Kris and Janis

So it's either too close or too far away to actually tell anything, I get it......

It's too bad you've alienated yourself from your neighbor. That never seems to be the thing to do when working out issues.

I'm curious, before you rallied the neighbors together to get help financing a lawsuit did you research all the other private shooting ranges that are in Florida where people have always complain and never make a difference in the end?

If so, why do you feel your situation is different?

It's always the same song, complain, complain, complain and then fade away once all recourse's have been exhausted and people realize and come to grips with it being legal to shoot in your backyard.

If a case such as your's was ever to make it before a jury it might be highly questioned as to why you have stayed in that home if you truly felt one of your loved ones could be shot or if it was effecting any of you medically.

That just makes me feel you might be bitchin' just to be bitchin'.
All the attention you have attracted to this issue trying to get it as publicized as possible is effecting your own property values.

It's seems to me you either just love attention at any cost or if a real danger is involved you're actions (of staying in the home) make you appear to be suicidal and very irresponsible with your own family

MILITARY GRADE WEAPON!!

Care to elaborate, Karen?

There is a difference between a sport shooting/rifle range and a recreational range in Florida, there is a difference between safe and reckless. I just built my home why would or should I move when someone else is being reckless? Are you suggesting everyone out here move as well because of one guy who came in after everyone else? Typically when you build a range you see what is behind your target area, Although he admitted he never drove back here to look, he did admit he had no issue seeing our homes, maybe he should've researched his property prior to building and he shouldn't bought an Ag-Res lot he should've bought an agriculture lot that in FL does allow this, maybe since he didn't at least buy an Ag lot he should've at least aimed it in the opposite direction of the population out here ( logical thing to have done and several neighbors asked him to do that not just me ) for the record I didn't have to rally anyone, and he alienated himself from everyone out here not reverse, we gave him options before deciding to go legal he chose to tell the media he would not fire on this range till it was complete and he was going to all these BS things that he didn't do a single one of them and he stated himself in his article to Fox news it wasn't complete no one would be firing on it and well those were lies so when the homeowner himself makes a comment that "it's not finished or safe yet" and then goes against his own words and fires on the same range it's not bitching , that's logic that requires recourse for safety reasons , now if you want him as your neighbor drop me a cashiers check and he can be your dream neighbor

don't see a berm in that video, if you have a rifle on the bench and someone negligently touches one of its going into the house.

sure a 50 BMG is a military weapon is it not? Was it not designed to take out tanks? Is it not used to take out aircraft?

Wiki definition
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_BMG
History
John Browning had the idea for this round during [color:#66FFFF]World War I in response to a need for an anti-aircraft weapon, based on a scaled-up .30-06 Springfield design, used in a machine gun based on a scaled-up M1919/M191[/color]7 design that Browning had initially developed around 1900 (but which was not [color:#66FFFF]adopted by the U.S. military until 1917, hence the model designation).[4] Armor-piercing incendiary tracer (APIT) rounds were especially effective against aircraft, and the AP rounds and armor-piercing incendiary (API) rounds were excellent for destroying concrete bunkers, structures, and lighter armored fighting vehicles (AFVs). The API and APIT rounds left a flash, report, and smoke on contact, useful in detecting strikes on targets.[5]
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The development of the .50 BMG round is sometimes confused with the German 13.2 mm TuF, which was developed by Germany for an anti-tank rifle to combat British tanks during WWI and against aircraft. According to the American Rifleman: "Actually, the Browning .50 originated in the Great War. American interest in an armor-piercing cartridge was influenced by the marginal French 11 mm design, prompting U.S. Army Ordnance officers to consult Browning. They wanted a heavy projectile at 2700 feet per second (f.p.s.), but the ammunition did not exist. Browning pondered the situation and, according to his son John, replied, 'Well, the cartridge sounds pretty good to start. You make up some cartridges and we'll do some shooting.'"[6]

The American Rifleman further explains that development was "[r]eputedly influenced by Germany's 13.2x92 mm SR (.53-cal.) anti-tank rifle" and that then "Ordnance contracted with Winchester to design a .50-cal. cartridge. Subsequently, Frankford Arsenal took over from Winchester, producing the historic .50 BMG or 12.7x99 mm cartridge. The Army then returned to John Browning for the actual gun. Teamed with Colt, he produced prototypes ready for testing and, ironically, completed them by Nov. 11, 1918—the Great War's end."[6]

The round was put into use in the M1921 Browning machine gun. This gun was later developed into the M2HB Browning which with its .50 caliber armor-piercing cartridges went on to function as an anti-aircraft and anti-vehicular machine gun, capable of penetrating 0.9 inches (23 mm) of face-hardened armor steel plate at 200 meters (220 yd),[7] 1 inch (25 mm) of rolled homogeneous armor at the same range,[8] and 0.75 inches (19 mm) at 547 yards (500 m).[9]

The concept of a .50 caliber machine gun was not an invention of this era; this caliber (.50 inch) had been used in Maxim machine guns and in a number of manual rapid-fire guns such as the original Gatling gun, although these were much lower power cartridges.


The .50 BMG cartridge
D[color:#66FFFF]uring World War II the .50 BMG was primarily used in the M2 Browning machine gun, in both its "light barrel" aircraft mount version and the "heavy barrel" (HB) version on ground vehicles, for anti-aircraft purposes. [/color]An upgraded variant of the M2 Browning HB machine gun used during World War II is still in use today. Since the mid-1950s, some armored personnel carriers and utility vehicles have been made to withstand 12.7 mm machine gun fire, restricting the destructive capability of the M2. It still has more penetrating power than lighter weapons such as general-purpose machine guns, though it is significantly heavier and more cumbersome to transport. Its range and accuracy, however, are superior to light machine guns when fixed on tripods, and it has not been replaced as the standard caliber for Western vehicle-mounted machine guns (Soviet and CIS armored vehicles mount 12.7×108mm NSVs, which are ballistically similar to .50 BMGs).[citation needed]

Decades later, the .50 BMG was chambered in high-powered rifles as well.[4] The Barrett M82 .50 caliber rifle and later variants were developed during the 1980s and have upgraded the anti-materiel power of the military sniper.[4] A skilled sniper can effectively neutralize an infantry unit by eliminating several targets (soldiers or equipment) without revealing his precise location.[color:#66FFFF] The long range (over one mile) between firing position and target allows time for the sniper to avoid enemy retaliation[/color] by either changing positions repeatedly, or by safely retreating.

Exactly ! Thank you You do notice my house in the background though that blue is my house.

And at the safest range in the world "IF" someone negligently touches one off they can shoot the guy next to them or even the guy in the parking lot as they remove guns from their car......