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Factory? .25/06. ........🤔 ^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^ Between just your two choices, and with factory ammo a must........................there ain't enough ballistic difference between the two to even come close to justifying the .240 Bee.
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build a 6.5x284 by far a better cartridge for a custom rifle ,Lapua makes 6.5x284 ,bullets for a 6.5 are easy to find and buy too. 6.5x284 will out shoot all cartridges listed in this post also
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It's never not funny,when you gals do your best. Hint. Congratulations?!?
There's no answer in .257" bore sizing. The 'Bee has always been a steaming pile of schit,due literal design. Hint.
In fairness however,the Six-TwatSix scalps 'em all and by a goodly margin. The 25's cain't begin to muster the math,whether it Theory or Application. Hint.
The 6.5-284 is dismal and does a Montucky NO favors. If/when/where it is viable,something as simplistic as a 7-08 crushes it. Aboard a L/A Montucky .473",I'd be at ease with a 8" RPM or greater 7-08 in a 'dupe,for 180/'90's,but i don't infer that as being the impetus driven. Hint.
Though coming full circle,it's tough to whoop the L/A Montucky in .243" bore sizing,due Funtitude and of course Killtitude,if only because I shoot it all and then some. Hint.
Bless your hearts for Trying though.
Hint.
LAUGHING!..............
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I’ve got a Kimber Montana In 30-06 I need to rebarrel, looking at these 2 options. Leaning towards the 240 Roy, looking to shoot Barnes bullets in either one. Going to be using it for hunting Texas Hill country deer, AKA not very big If you were going to build a lightweight deer rifle in this caliber range, what would you do? Caliber, Barrel length, twist rate? Well, I doubt I would build. I would sell and buy what I wanted because you could get a really nice rifle for what you would have into that kimber with a new barrel. You will be in that rifle for $1800? For factory ammo Barnes, look at their LRX line and go from there. 6cm and the 95 lrx would be high on my list. 6.5 cm and the 127 lrx. 270 and 129lrx at 3140 if you wanted to stay LA.
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Question: I am trying to decide between keeping one of two rifles - a 30-06 and a .308 Winchester. I want widespread and cheap ammo availability. 180gn pills. Factory ammo only. Primary criteria is easy easy easy. Which one should I keep?Campfire answer: Sell both and get yourself a .473 Esoterica. You'll have to have dies custom made, and buy raw tubing stock to form your own cases, and swage your own 317.5 gn bullets with a special lead alloy only made in Nauru (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauru) once every 10 years and only available on the black market due to import restrictions. But that cartridge is obviously the best choice given your criteria.
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chinstone,
I'm not personally involved with condoning STUPIDITY,but it's funnier than fhuqk that you are...you "lucky" kcuhnt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Pardon my simply shooting it all and then some,while you "get" to read about it and look at the pics. Hint.
Bless your heart for crying.
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LAUGHING!.................
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It's never not funny,when you gals do your best. Hint. Congratulations?!?
There's no answer in .257" bore sizing. The 'Bee has always been a steaming pile of schit,due literal design. Hint.
In fairness however,the Six-TwatSix scalps 'em all and by a goodly margin. The 25's cain't begin to muster the math,whether it Theory or Application. Hint.
The 6.5-284 is dismal and does a Montucky NO favors. If/when/where it is viable,something as simplistic as a 7-08 crushes it. Aboard a L/A Montucky .473",I'd be at ease with a 8" RPM or greater 7-08 in a 'dupe,for 180/'90's,but i don't infer that as being the impetus driven. Hint.
Though coming full circle,it's tough to whoop the L/A Montucky in .243" bore sizing,due Funtitude and of course Killtitude,if only because I shoot it all and then some. Hint.
Bless your hearts for Trying though.
Hint.
LAUGHING!..............
How old are you dude? You cannot be an actual adult. Are you perpetually stuck in puberty?
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I think a .25-06 is a fantastic round. The 6.5 super duper shoot to the next zip code guns have actually been equaled and in some cases surpassed, but market hype keeps 'em spinning their yarn.
7mms and even .270s with custom barrels with 1:8 twists will send 170 grain Hi BC bullets as far as most any 6.5. The .25-06 with an even moderately tight twist will actually shoot a 120 grain bullet as far as most people need to be shooting at game anyway.
But if Berger or Matrix or some of the other custom bullet makers would get on the stick they could sell a lot of bullets. You can right now have yourself a .257 barrel made with a 1:9 or 1:8 twist. I had Krieger make me a 1:9 barrel for my .250 Savage and I shoot 115, 117 and 120 grain bullets in it exclusively.
All is lacking for the .25s to join the ultra long range club is these bullet companies to join the 21st Century and make some 140-150, yes even 160 grain VLD bullets for them. Then "INSTANT SUCCESS STORY!" Run those through a .25-06 or a .257 WBY and you're gonna blow almost if not all 6.5s out of the water.
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Then again, not completely swallowing all this Long Range Hunting hog waller, I think a good .270 with 150 grain partitions or a good .280 or 7mag with similar fodder will kill all the animals allowed at as far as you can probably see and shoot ethically.
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Pretty hard to beat a 25-06 if all you're shooting is factory loads. I have a 240WM and 25-06, I load everything so I can't speak on the factory offerings, but they both shoot lights out. I think you'll find more availability with the 25-06.
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Unless you are shooting bullets heavier than 103 grains in the 240 the two cartridges are very close. The same is true for the 25-06 if twisted fast enough for the longest Hammer and Black Jack bullets then it will out range the 240 slightly. The factory consideration would make me lean towards the 25-06 but either will be almost ideal for Hill Country hunting.
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My vote between to the two would be the 25-06.
Cheaper brass that is far easier to find, good bullet selection, great accuracy and deadly on deer. Yep, 25-06 for me.
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Then again, not completely swallowing all this Long Range Hunting hog waller, I think a good .270 with 150 grain partitions or a good .280 or 7mag with similar fodder will kill all the animals allowed at as far as you can probably see and shoot ethically. I agree.
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Mj, I know Big Stick will agree with me on this , but of the 2 choices you're considering, go with the 240. It's simply a cooler cartridge and not everyone owns one. Sure, factory ammo choices are more plentiful for the 25-06, but Weatherby offers a handful of choices as well. Killing Texas Whitetails isn't exactly difficult, and certainly doesn't require a fancy bullet and a speedy twist rate to do so. Heck, even Weatherby's economy minded 100 gr Norma Spitzer factory load will whack the shiat out of a Whitetail beyond distances most people are comfortable....or even capable of shooting. The beauty of the 240 is that when handloaded, you can send 55's out the pipe at 4000 fps or a slick 105 at 3300, which will easily cover anything in Texas. In the end though, you won't be able to discern much difference in performance between the 2 cartridges.
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Shame you don’t reload. Having a long action and not being a hand loader? Missing out on so much goodness. 280AI?!
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Without hand loading I’d save my money and shoot the 30-06 with 150s on deer of any size and never look back.
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Without hand loading I’d save my money and shoot the 30-06 with 150s on deer of any size and never look back. Way too big for the small deer of Texas.
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Why, you’re burning the same amount of powder, and less if you use reduced factory loads of which there are several in the 30-06. Let’s see $20/20 rnds vs $75/20 rnds. Which one is really the more conservative choice?
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