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Do you think that stretching wire is going to bend a 1/2 inch steel bolt, set 7 inches into concrete? I don't think so. Yes, in a absolute heart beat... So, I can assume you didn't stretch any wire from that post then....
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I'd poor the concrete a little higher than grade, embed some kind of anchor to the top of it, and then set the post on top of the footing rather than inside of it. To me, inside is asking for it to hold water and rot in time. on top, it stays dry, but if anything happens you can always replace it without disturbing your footing. So you've really never built a fence with wood corner posts it appears... Actually built miles of 5 strand barbed wire with bigass hedge posts for corners/braces with 2” pipe and #9 smooth tying them together with every tenth post a 4” hedge line post. The discrepancy was not following the OPs chicken run as going to be a fence under tension as opposed to just some sort of lean too off his back shed.
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We have posts set in concrete on the farm for over seventy years. I'd put concrete above ground level to keep water from the posts.
Free advice is who what you pay. Good luck. The voice of experience says... You wanna tell um the down side of a concreted in fence post?
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The discrepancy was not following the OPs chicken run as going to be a fence under tension as opposed to just some sort of lean too off his back shed.
So ya figure he just wants sloppy sagging wire then... BTW, those cheap galvanized Chinese brackets your using will rot away years before that treated post would..
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When pouring footings for bridge abutments, the elevation of the top of the footing was usually 2ft. below the elevation of the stream or river. After putting a rough finish on the top of the footings we would turn the dewatering pumps off and flood the entire footing. Best thing for curing concrete. If I was building this chicken run ,I'd did the holes large enough to accept dropping in a 60 lb. bag of premix so it would lay flat in the hole. Drop bag and all into hole . Place your post into the hole plumb it and fill it in with what you dug out. Moisture will get into that bag and do it's thing. 45 years ago I saw a 90ft x 60ft pole barn built this way and it's still standing today.
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The old creosote posts, and poles last a lot long than any of the "green" treatments.
Morton Buildings has gone to precast concrete, with the poles attached above grade.
More than one way to do it right.
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The discrepancy was not following the OPs chicken run as going to be a fence under tension as opposed to just some sort of lean too off his back shed.
So ya figure he just want sloppy sagging wire then... Small run. Posts braced top and bottom between each other with further board. String whatever wire you want up however tight you need without sagging. Again, I was thinking more of a building with braces tying ever thing together as opposed to a wire fence. Feel free to know everything though. Doesn’t hurt anybody.
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Poor retention of the treatment used.
If a post get bumped, the post set in concrete might break, in soil, it should just move.
Posts set with rock, tamped hard works well to.
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The old creosote posts, and poles last a lot long than any of the "green" treatments.
Morton Buildings has gone to precast concrete, with the poles attached above grade.
More than one way to do it right. I've found concreted in posts to be a challenge to tamp to re-tighten and ya can't re-drive them, so you just have to do it right the first time..
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4X6 posts????????? How big are these chickens, anyway? Maybe they've got a little gorilla in their DNA somewhere? Jerry
BIG....especially my COCK. My COCK is simply tremendous, I mean really,really large. Those who have seen it say it may be the biggest ever. Simply an incredible COCK, in all regards. Just fantastic. Lol ok now that I've channeled my inner 'Flave and got that out of my system, we can carry on. There is more to this than I initially stated, because I didn't expect that I'd get more than an answer or two stating yes or no. These corner posts really aren't a structural part of the run, although they are contained within it. The run is built on a 4x6 floating base, these posts are at the far corners and one right in the center. The barn itself serves as the back wall to the run. This barn is old, and as is common out here the wind has pushed it slightly to one side. You wouldn't notice except to look at the windows, but its definitely a bit off. My plan is to set these posts in place and use them as anchors to a trio of brace posts I will put in place. This, I hope, will prevent the barn from leaning any more over time. The braces will go from the top of the barn wall just below the roof line down to the ground, against the posts being discussed here. I'd post some pics if I could but none of the hosting services seem to work for me.
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What ya got........
Tamp rocks/gravel & dirt and call er good........
Be there till hell freezes over
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sSame old fire, smile,
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Cedar or Locust
What ya got........
Tamp rocks/gravel & dirt and call er good........
Be there till hell freezes over
Pressure treated is the best I can do
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I didn't bother reading the entire thread. If no one told you concrete cures better under water than out! Mix as per directions and displace the water with mixed concrete.
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for something like that i think i may just pack some gravel around them. kind of doubt you need concrete.
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Do you think that stretching wire is going to bend a 1/2 inch steel bolt, set 7 inches into concrete? I don't think so. Nah. If you stretch net wire the way you should, it'd break 'em right off. But it may just bend them... The ground point is where all the stress leverages when you stretch wire. On a corner, you need a double H brace to stretch most anything.
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We’ve had to replace almost all the posts in our backyard cedar fence. They were in concrete and it looks like the original installers left the concrete “dished” around the post. I suspect every time it rains or we water the lawn, the water stands in the top of the concrete and soaks into the wood. The posts have rotted off at the top of the concrete. I hate wood outside.
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Then here are steel pipes used as posts, set in the concrete, last longer than we will.
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Do you think that stretching wire is going to bend a 1/2 inch steel bolt, set 7 inches into concrete? I don't think so. Nah. If you stretch net wire the way you should, it'd break 'em right off. But it may just bend them... The ground point is where all the stress leverages when you stretch wire. On a corner, you need a double H brace to stretch most anything. OK, I give. I have built a lot of decks, but I have never stretched any wire. Hard for me to believe it would bend a 1/2 inch steel bolt. Dammit we need 1 inch steel bolts!
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I fugging hate wood posts in concrete.
Hate em.
Me too because you know you'll have to dig it all up in the near future.
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