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Wonder if the city has repaired the pothole that was left when her head hit?


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Originally Posted by ribka
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You are on a panel that will decide the officer's fate. Here is the city of Baltimore UOF policy. Apply it to what you saw and make your determination as to whether or not the actions were consistent with policy.

https://www.baltimorepolice.org/1115-use-force


One could argue a few years ago under those guidelines that the force used was not excessive. She struck the cop twice in the head while unproved and the black cop tried to restrain her. She was definitely going back for more attacks on the officer before the black cop stopped her violent attack.

Rememebr the carotid artery is located near where she attacked the officer and you know so was potentially a deadly strike. lol

But in this political climate he is screwed if white. The black cop's blackness will save the him though in Baltimore.


The proportionality clause makes it difficult for the officer.

Proportional — Proportionality measures whether the force used by the member is rationally
related to the level of resistance or aggression confronting the member.

A head strike that renders a person unconscious in response to head strikes that didn't seem to phase the officer who received the strikes.

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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
You are on a panel that will decide the officer's fate. Here is the city of Baltimore UOF policy. Apply it to what you saw and make your determination as to whether or not the actions were consistent with policy.

https://www.baltimorepolice.org/1115-use-force


Those ROE are a no win for a cop...Fat rhino assaults white officer, twice.

Cop...Rhino, you’re under arrest for assaulting a LEO. I need you to place both hands behind your back....Rhino -Fûck you!

Now cop escalating with words....Cop to Rhino, if you don’t put your arms behind your back and follow my direction, I will be forced to mace you.

Rhino, to cop...you ain’t gonna touch me mother fûcker. Cop removes OC and shows it to the Rhino. Cop, to Rhino....Get on the ground and place your hands behind your back or I’m hitting you with mace.

Rhino to cop.....Fuuuck ————Stream of spray, hits Rhino, she runs, bucks, flails, and cries, cop’s tackle her to the ground and cuff Rhino.

Rhino, I cannot breath...Sustains road rash, bruises and hematomas from being physically placed into custody.

Black Rhino claims she was beaten, slammed to the concrete and wrongfully arrested. Twitter feed goes viral, mayor of Baltimore places 2 cops on administrative leave, pending investigation.

No win for a cop trying to take a combative person into custody.

Fück that Baltimore Mayor and his BS ROE’s

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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
You are on a panel that will decide the officer's fate. Here is the city of Baltimore UOF policy. Apply it to what you saw and make your determination as to whether or not the actions were consistent with policy.

https://www.baltimorepolice.org/1115-use-force


This is the only thing that would concern me:
"12. Retaliatory Force. Members are prohibited from using force against persons engaged in First
Amendment protected activities
or to punish persons for fleeing, resisting arrest or assaulting a
member, or for any other reason (See Policy 804, First Amendment Protected Activity)."

I never would have considered rioting, looting, and murder as protected by the First, but seems some can make that ridiculous leap.


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Wonder if the city has repaired the pothole that was left when her head hit?


zing! Lot of asphalt needed for that pumpkin head

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That lady was throwing some crisp accurate punches before getting laid out.

that's how i saw it...she'll get no sympathy from any quarter


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OK, you have a full grown out of control violent person physically attacking armed law enforcement officers. There is a distinct possibility that she will try to take a gun from one of the officers. She is not acting rational. She is dangerous to the officers, the other rioters, and herself. She needs to be controlled as quickly as possible. Cops wearing accessible weapons have no business grappling with violent persons. Those officers were in a no-win situation with rioting savages on one side and an appeasing mayor and police administration on the other.


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Unless you are the officer receiving those strikes you cannot just make that assumption. One could easily argue the other officer acted out of instinct and training because the counter strike was so fast and he was trying to come to the aid other officer who was being violently attacked. and , who had his hands down in non provoking manner trying to defuse the situation. Obviously diffusing the situation did not work and an escalation of force is needed. . He ( the black officer) already made an attempt to restrain her and she broke the restraining hold and violently struck the other officer the head again. Strikes to the head are serious. The officer hit her once to stop the threat and immediately stopped when the threat was contained. Being a female does not give you the right to commit aggravated assault on a police with intent to cause bodily harm which is a felony.

And you have to take into account the totality of the circumstances in Baltimore that evening. where the police were working trying keep calm and protect the citizenery despite the risk carried by them. Police were were being attacked by very violent protestors and were burining down buildings, vehicles, attacking innocent citizens nearby, and protestors were calling for cops to be killed. etc

I see this as easily defensible by an attorney



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Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
You are on a panel that will decide the officer's fate. Here is the city of Baltimore UOF policy. Apply it to what you saw and make your determination as to whether or not the actions were consistent with policy.

https://www.baltimorepolice.org/1115-use-force


One could argue a few years ago under those guidelines that the force used was not excessive. She struck the cop twice in the head while unproved and the black cop tried to restrain her. She was definitely going back for more attacks on the officer before the black cop stopped her violent attack.

Rememebr the carotid artery is located near where she attacked the officer and you know so was potentially a deadly strike. lol

But in this political climate he is screwed if white. The black cop's blackness will save the him though in Baltimore.


The proportionality clause makes it difficult for the officer.

Proportional — Proportionality measures whether the force used by the member is rationally
related to the level of resistance or aggression confronting the member.

A head strike that renders a person unconscious in response to head strikes that didn't seem to phase the officer who received the strikes.

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Originally Posted by sse
Originally Posted by Futura
That lady was throwing some crisp accurate punches before getting laid out.
that's how i saw it...she'll get no sympathy from any quarter
She is getting plenty of sympathy. Read the comments. The black officer is getting plenty of disapproval. Disapproval from the public and the mayor.


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Originally Posted by Hastings
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That lady was throwing some crisp accurate punches before getting laid out.
that's how i saw it...she'll get no sympathy from any quarter
She is getting plenty of sympathy. Read the comments. The black officer is getting plenty of disapproval. Disapproval from the public and the mayor.


and the same groups were dancing and singing in the streets after OJ killed those two crackers and got off Scott free.

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Originally Posted by ribka
Unless you are the officer receiving those strikes you cannot just make that assumption. One could easily argue the other officer acted out of instinct and training because the counter strike was so fast and he was trying to come to the aid other officer who was being violently attacked. and , who had his hands down in non provoking manner trying to defuse the situation. Obviously diffusing the situation did not work and an escalation of force is needed. . He ( the black officer) already made an attempt to restrain her and she broke the restraining hold and violently struck the other officer the head again. Strikes to the head are serious. The officer hit her once to stop the threat and immediately stopped when the threat was contained. Being a female does not give you the right to commit aggravated assault on a police with intent to cause bodily harm which is a felony.

And you have to take into account the totality of the circumstances in Baltimore that evening. where the police were working trying keep calm and protect the citizenery despite the risk carried by them. Police were were being attacked by very violent protestors and were burining down buildings, vehicles, attacking innocent citizens nearby, and protestors were calling for cops to be killed. etc

I see this as easily defensible by an attorney



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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
You are on a panel that will decide the officer's fate. Here is the city of Baltimore UOF policy. Apply it to what you saw and make your determination as to whether or not the actions were consistent with policy.

https://www.baltimorepolice.org/1115-use-force


One could argue a few years ago under those guidelines that the force used was not excessive. She struck the cop twice in the head while unproved and the black cop tried to restrain her. She was definitely going back for more attacks on the officer before the black cop stopped her violent attack.

Rememebr the carotid artery is located near where she attacked the officer and you know so was potentially a deadly strike. lol

But in this political climate he is screwed if white. The black cop's blackness will save the him though in Baltimore.


The proportionality clause makes it difficult for the officer.

Proportional — Proportionality measures whether the force used by the member is rationally
related to the level of resistance or aggression confronting the member.

A head strike that renders a person unconscious in response to head strikes that didn't seem to phase the officer who received the strikes.



It can really go either way. The UOF policy cannot be viewed in a vacuum. As you well know, training comes into play as well. Officer actions are guided by the law, policy, training and experience.

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If that happened on a sunny afternoon in Baltimore with no looting, violence, death threats, attacks on fellow officers etc I could see the strike was not justified if she assaulted the officer only one time.

Of course they are guided by training. They both used a low level of force multiple times as they are trained ( verbal commands, hands down in a non threatening manner, gentle restraining methods) to deescalate the situation which was deteriorating quickly and and the assailant would not stop her attacks so the next level of force was justified.

What was the cop supposed to do? I hope the city charges her with felony assault ( they won't because she's a black woman) and I hope the cop she violently struck twice files a civil lawsuit against her even though she won't have a pot to piss in because her life was a series of bad and ignorant choices.




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Originally Posted by ribka
Unless you are the officer receiving those strikes you cannot just make that assumption. One could easily argue the other officer acted out of instinct and training because the counter strike was so fast and he was trying to come to the aid other officer who was being violently attacked. and , who had his hands down in non provoking manner trying to defuse the situation. Obviously diffusing the situation did not work and an escalation of force is needed. . He ( the black officer) already made an attempt to restrain her and she broke the restraining hold and violently struck the other officer the head again. Strikes to the head are serious. The officer hit her once to stop the threat and immediately stopped when the threat was contained. Being a female does not give you the right to commit aggravated assault on a police with intent to cause bodily harm which is a felony.

And you have to take into account the totality of the circumstances in Baltimore that evening. where the police were working trying keep calm and protect the citizenery despite the risk carried by them. Police were were being attacked by very violent protestors and were burining down buildings, vehicles, attacking innocent citizens nearby, and protestors were calling for cops to be killed. etc

I see this as easily defensible by an attorney



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Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
You are on a panel that will decide the officer's fate. Here is the city of Baltimore UOF policy. Apply it to what you saw and make your determination as to whether or not the actions were consistent with policy.

https://www.baltimorepolice.org/1115-use-force


One could argue a few years ago under those guidelines that the force used was not excessive. She struck the cop twice in the head while unproved and the black cop tried to restrain her. She was definitely going back for more attacks on the officer before the black cop stopped her violent attack.

Rememebr the carotid artery is located near where she attacked the officer and you know so was potentially a deadly strike. lol

But in this political climate he is screwed if white. The black cop's blackness will save the him though in Baltimore.


The proportionality clause makes it difficult for the officer.

Proportional — Proportionality measures whether the force used by the member is rationally
related to the level of resistance or aggression confronting the member.

A head strike that renders a person unconscious in response to head strikes that didn't seem to phase the officer who received the strikes.



It can really go either way. The UOF policy cannot be viewed in a vacuum. As you well know, training comes into play as well. Officer actions are guided by the law, policy, training and experience.

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Minimum force necessary to compel compliance is a common guiding principle. Retaliation, while it may feel good, may not be the best way to end conflicts.

It's not retaliation when it's in response to a pattern that's repeated itself, and shows no sign of being over. The purpose of the punch was to deter further violence, which appeared (by a pattern just observed) to be an ongoing event unless stopped by a counter force.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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Minimum force necessary to compel compliance is a common guiding principle. Retaliation, while it may feel good, may not be the best way to end conflicts.

It's not retaliation when it's in response to a pattern that's repeated itself, and shows no sign of being over. The purpose of the punch was to deter further violence, which appeared (by a pattern just observed) to be an ongoing event unless stopped by a counter force.



Minimum force techniques were used repeatedly by the officers and it did NOT stop the assailant's repeated attacks on the officer. Some people don't get it

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Originally Posted by ribka
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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Minimum force necessary to compel compliance is a common guiding principle. Retaliation, while it may feel good, may not be the best way to end conflicts.

It's not retaliation when it's in response to a pattern that's repeated itself, and shows no sign of being over. The purpose of the punch was to deter further violence, which appeared (by a pattern just observed) to be an ongoing event unless stopped by a counter force.



Minimum force techniques were used repeatedly by the officers and it did NOT stop the assailant's repeated attacks on the officer. Some people don't get it

Agreed.

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k, well if she hit her head and died, batten the hatches


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It can really go either way. The UOF policy cannot be viewed in a vacuum. As you well know, training comes into play as well. Officer actions are guided by the law, policy, training and experience.


Many UOF policy’s have been designed to better protect the city, and agency, while leaving the cop strung out on a weak tether, that the city attorneys will almost always cut.

These policies are part of the reason the cop is a neutered dog with narrow margins for lethal force, even to protect themselves or fellow officers.

Understandable, the general public, if not ignorant, knows a cop coming to save their life, is like buying a winning scratch-off ticket.

Maybe, they’ll stop the event, if the UOF and ROE allow for it.

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Originally Posted by ribka
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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Minimum force necessary to compel compliance is a common guiding principle. Retaliation, while it may feel good, may not be the best way to end conflicts.

It's not retaliation when it's in response to a pattern that's repeated itself, and shows no sign of being over. The purpose of the punch was to deter further violence, which appeared (by a pattern just observed) to be an ongoing event unless stopped by a counter force.



Minimum force techniques were used repeatedly by the officers and it did NOT stop the assailant's repeated attacks on the officer. Some people don't get it



I think the officer can make a strong case that his actions were consistent with policy. I can also say that based on my training and my read of that situation, that is not what I would have done. My read is that she was a very low threat of much harm. One way or another, she would have been arrested. Nobody should get away with that kind of assault on an officer.

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Originally Posted by Beaver10
Originally Posted by Skankhunt42
Originally Posted by Hastings
The black officer has been suspended from duty. The mayor finds his actions disturbing.


If this is true (and I'm not doubting it one bit) anyone know if there's a go fund me for the black officer? He was protecting another officer being assaulted and I'd bet that his union will get him complete back pay and reinstatement but I'd be willing to kick in a few bucks to help him out.


Black cop placed on a desk job while they investigate. Liberal Mayor says the cops actions were uncalled for...

Being a cop, today, would be impossible for me. 😎

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JFC, an absolutely righteous case of defense of a brother officer. Unfrigging believable.


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