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How many of our fire members are in the same socioeconomic stratus they were born into? How many are lower? How many are higher?

I have remained the same. I am a product of the environment I was raised in.

This is what I was just thinking. It’s the nature vs. nurture argument. There are strong arguments for both sides.

Aren’t you busy working in the Montana Delta? 🤣

I am probably a bit lower.

Is Honeywell moving in?

F.uck if I know

The jobs and opportunities are there, the problem is drawing people out of the slums to go get them.

If you live in a ghetto there are a finite number of low paying jobs in the area. It doesn't take an Asian to figure out that if the government is going to pay me just as much to not work, as McDonalds is going to pay me to go to work, that individual isn't going to work.

When you cut off government welfare programs you will see these problems fix themselves. People will have to work. The jobs within walking distance will be snatched up. People will have to spread out. Selling narcotics becomes less lucrative because people don't have any money to sit and smoke all day. They have to go to work. This causes gangs to dry up or at least shrink in size. This is why the free market always works, it self corrects.

Yes there will be a rough transition period and there will be riots in the streets. But when you deviate from the principles of a free market you're going to get that anyway. The only way to right the ship is to get back to the free market.

This is why Irish slums and Italian slums stayed that way for short (relatively) periods of time. They had to go to work. They simply had to in order to survive. That is not the case in the slums of today.

Hemlock aint moving here either!

They actually never started regular production here after building a huge infrastructure. Something about China dumping the price of silicone ....

#Obama
#Smellsfunny

Agreed in principle

So is slowly decreasing their government checks the answer?

We don't have many blacks here, and all the ones I see have jobs and seem to be upstanding citizens. We do have lots of rez's though, and the problems with them seems to be very similar to the problems being discussed here with black people in the US. I've been thinking that this solution is really the only way to fix the problem. Unfortunately I'm equally sure there is no one in power who has the balls to even suggest something like this, much less implement it.
The quickest way I've seen to completely destroy a people is to give them a living they didn't earn, and then continue that on for a few generations. Doesn't have to be a good living either,just enough to stay alive. It'll wreck people regardless of color once it becomes the norm to live that way. Reminds me of people who feed stray cats. Starts off with them "helping" one or two, but before long there is a porch full of diseased, scrawny and completely useless animals hanging around waiting for their next feed.

That coupled with opportunities?

Be all for it up here.

Most are on welfare.

I posted this earlier in the thread.

"That has a whole lot to do with it. I could do a better job of giving money to charity. The one I do donate to on a regular basis is Son of a Saint. They don't throw money at a large problem and hope it will make a difference. They use their money to bring at risk fatherless black kids into a program full of mentors who work very closely with them all the way through their school years.

Guess what the typical social and educational outcomes are?"

This is my favorite version of you and where we've always aligned ideologically. I'm glad to see it. It's also the platform Trump should be campaigning on. Thank you for putting words to it.

IKR? I don't even know who he is anymore.

All true, yet there have been a few social changes since the “Irish need not apply” era. One, there are no jobs for people without strong job skills. Textiles and similar entry level jobs just don’t exist in today’s American job market in any quantity, and those that do exist are snapped up by immigrants.

Two, Alishanirona has 7 brats and no man. She doesn’t know who the father is on any of them. There are barely any functional black families. There’s no way she can EVER make enough to pay food, rent, utilities, childcare and health insurance. Let alone college savings or retirement. Mathematically impossible.

I would aim to reduce the federal level programs by X amount over 10 years.

It wouldn't require a Chinaman to tally up the amounts each respective state is receiving at the start of the plan. They get that money on year one.

Each year after that, they know it's going to be reduced by ?.?%. If the states can't do with what the feds are giving them each consecutive year, they're either going to have to raise their constituents taxes at the state level, or find a way to get people into a job.

This would be steering us back to the founding principles of our country. State's rights/responsibilities and a free market.

Yet another masterful stroke by the left.

"Nobody here will do these jobs."

Of course they will. For the exact same reason people from Guatemala do them.

It beats starving.

You sound like a gay.