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Originally Posted by efw
I think that “the good ole days” are just as much a fantasy as the utopian future.

It’s always sucked. Our leaders have always disappointed, and the sin of our neighbors have always fueled self righteous indignation and blindness to our own sin.

There is nothing new under the sun.

This in spades.

And another one who wishes we would hear from UL more often.


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Originally Posted by UtahLefty

I've been around long enough to remember a time when the membership here would not have cheered the sight of the U.S military firing on unarmed U.S citizens , on church property no less, peacefully exercising a constitutional right.

We have lost our way on what it means to be a citizen of a democracy, much less what it should mean to be an American.

Given the amount of time I used to spend here, I am saddened by what the fire has become.

I know you probably won't be able to keep yourself from the usual STFU stuff but please try not to. I was a respected member here once.

I've said my peace and I will not be back.

thank you,

matt


It looks now that after 22,000 posts, you don't like differing opinions either.

What has the 'Fire become? Obviously something you fail to recognize. You think you Right Winged radicals cheering on totalitarianism, and you think you see peace loving people exercising their 1st Amend right and voicing their frustrations. However, you completely miss both. Completely.

To the last point first, these are not protestors. These are not people "frustrated' over an incident that occurred hundreds or thousands of miles from where they live. This isn't 1966 Watts, or 1967 Detroit or 1968 Memphis. These are no more Civil Rights Demonstrations than they are "peaceful". They are organize specifically to take advantage of a racial situation designed to destabilize society and the governments ability to successfully govern. They are designed to cause civil anarchy and to break law and order and cause the structure of society to crumble.

The cheers you might perceive from many members is for the push back against the forces that are systematically attacking our Rule of Law. That means our Democrats that have used everything they can dream up out of the Saul Alinsky playbook to cripple and destroy our elected President. Like him or not, like oBama or not, like W. Bush or not, they were elected by the voters and earned their right to govern with anarchy or organized coups.

You can take your ball and go home, but go with the realization that you are not seeing a bunch of old White men cheering brutality of some innocent poor AA protestors. You are seeing Right finally fed up with the various tactics of the Left and international Globalists and are glad to see push back against that movement.

When the Black, Democratic leadership of a major city like Atlanta is fed up with protestors and agitators and lawless rioters, people that have virtually no contact with any race other than their own should take note. This isn't about race.

You are still a respected member. I have respect for you. I also respectfully will disagree and have told you why. I'm not expecting to convert you and vice versa, but want you to at least another view of it.


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Originally Posted by VarmintGuy
Utahleftist: How on earth will the CampFire ever get along without you, and your ilk?
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You wouldn't make a pimple on UtahLefty's ass...


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Originally Posted by UtahLefty

I've been around long enough to remember a time when the membership here would not have cheered the sight of the U.S military firing on unarmed U.S citizens , on church property no less, peacefully exercising a constitutional right.

We have lost our way on what it means to be a citizen of a democracy, much less what it should mean to be an American.

Given the amount of time I used to spend here, I am saddened by what the fire has become.

I know you probably won't be able to keep yourself from the usual STFU stuff but please try not to. I was a respected member here once.

I've said my peace and I will not be back.

thank you,

matt


Matt, you are respected but I agree with you. I am on here less and less and too will likely drift away at some point as has lots of pards. The emotion here with the current events I feel the same as most everyone as I suspect you do too.

Too many angry people everywhere these days. If rather be in the woods anyway.

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Originally Posted by UtahLefty

I've been around long enough to remember a time when the membership here would not have cheered the sight of the U.S military firing on unarmed U.S citizens , on church property no less, peacefully exercising a constitutional right.

We have lost our way on what it means to be a citizen of a democracy, much less what it should mean to be an American.

Given the amount of time I used to spend here, I am saddened by what the fire has become.

I know you probably won't be able to keep yourself from the usual STFU stuff but please try not to. I was a respected member here once.

I've said my peace and I will not be back.

thank you,

matt


You mean like when we fired on US veterans in Washington DC after WWI or the internment of japanese-americans after Peral Harbor or did I imagine that?


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Originally Posted by UtahLefty

I've been around long enough to remember a time when the membership here would not have cheered the sight of the U.S military firing on unarmed U.S citizens , on church property no less, peacefully exercising a constitutional right.

We have lost our way on what it means to be a citizen of a democracy, much less what it should mean to be an American.

Given the amount of time I used to spend here, I am saddened by what the fire has become.

I know you probably won't be able to keep yourself from the usual STFU stuff but please try not to. I was a respected member here once.

I've said my peace and I will not be back.

thank you,

matt


In World War II Americans were able to accept over 500000 casualties persevere and win during Vietnam the number has fallen to less than 60000 . Today Americans are willing to accept very few casualties.

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Originally Posted by GregW
Originally Posted by VarmintGuy
Utahleftist: How on earth will the CampFire ever get along without you, and your ilk?
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You wouldn't make a pimple on UtahLefty's ass...


you have to admit that ul's post was a little dramatic.....respected member?......someone thinks a little to much of themselves ....bob

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Originally Posted by jorgeI

the internment of japanese-americans after Peral Harbor or did I imagine that?


As wrong as you might think it is now, it wasn’t wrong then. Don’t go getting all squishy-soft and think we shouldn’t have bombed those Japs either.


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I was thinking the other day how much I used to hate Bill Clinton. He was freaking George Washington compared to what they are now.
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Originally Posted by BobMt
Originally Posted by GregW
Originally Posted by VarmintGuy
Utahleftist: How on earth will the CampFire ever get along without you, and your ilk?
Sad.
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You wouldn't make a pimple on UtahLefty's ass...


you have to admit that ul's post was a little dramatic.....respected member?......someone thinks a little to much of themselves ....bob


I took it as an older member who's been around a while and has enough time here to comment on it. UtahLefty ain't a dramatic look at me type like...


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Originally Posted by UtahLefty

I've been around long enough to remember a time when the membership here would not have cheered the sight of the U.S military firing on unarmed U.S citizens , on church property no less, peacefully exercising a constitutional right.

We have lost our way on what it means to be a citizen of a democracy, much less what it should mean to be an American.

Given the amount of time I used to spend here, I am saddened by what the fire has become.

I know you probably won't be able to keep yourself from the usual STFU stuff but please try not to. I was a respected member here once.

I've said my peace and I will not be back.

thank you,

matt


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by Bristoe

'Boo's burning down the country and the schitt for brains crew still think it's a good time to lecture white people about racism.

I saw a pair of 'boo's in Rochester NY beat the teatotal puddin' out of a little 50ish white woman with fuggin' 2X4s.

That's the racism that's catching my eye these days.

Damn straight!



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Originally Posted by JGRaider
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Originally Posted by Bristoe

'Boo's burning down the country and the schitt for brains crew still think it's a good time to lecture white people about racism.

I saw a pair of 'boo's in Rochester NY beat the teatotal puddin' out of a little 50ish white woman with fuggin' 2X4s.

That's the racism that's catching my eye these days.

Damn straight!



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Adios Lefty. Just wondering why you felt the need to announce your departure. Why not just slink off into the night? Were you afraid nobody would miss you?

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Originally Posted by HitnRun
Originally Posted by jorgeI

the internment of japanese-americans after Peral Harbor or did I imagine that?


As wrong as you might think it is now, it wasn’t wrong then. Don’t go getting all squishy-soft and think we shouldn’t have bombed those Japs either.



Nah, it was wrong then.

We were fighting the Germans and the Italians shortly after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor too.

There weren't wholesale gatherings of my ancestors that arrived in the US from Alsace and Italy.

Concentration camps for Americans, whatever flavor they may be is anathema to this American of foreign ancestry. 2nd generation if you must know.

What next, when a situation occurs in which the people in power are afraid of a certain group. A camp for Members of this forum???


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Originally Posted by GregW
I took it as an older member who's been around a while and has enough time here to comment on it. UtahLefty ain't a dramatic look at me type like...


That’s how I took it.

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not well remembered , but a number German americans were rounded up and placed in camps during WW2

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Originally Posted by Blackheart
You know, I haven't watched much of it as living out here where there's been no protests/rioting I just don't give a shyt but the few video clips I have seen there appeared to be plenty of white ANTIFA types involved. Is that not the case ?

It is absolutely the case. They are filth and every bit as loathsome as any black thug. White liberals are their enablers.

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I'd like to state for the record that I was never a better person.

Ever.


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Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
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Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Originally Posted by Valsdad
Originally Posted by HitnRun
Originally Posted by jorgeI

the internment of japanese-americans after Peral Harbor or did I imagine that?


As wrong as you might think it is now, it wasn’t wrong then. Don’t go getting all squishy-soft and think we shouldn’t have bombed those Japs either.



Nah, it was wrong then.

We were fighting the Germans and the Italians shortly after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor too.

There weren't wholesale gatherings of my ancestors that arrived in the US from Alsace and Italy.

Concentration camps for Americans, whatever flavor they may be is anathema to this American of foreign ancestry. 2nd generation if you must know.

What next, when a situation occurs in which the people in power are afraid of a certain group. A camp for Members of this forum???


You need to brush up on your history. It was no more a concentration camp than all slaves were shipped and chained. The Japanese were moved from the coastal areas to secure the coast from any unknown threat from the Japs. It is wasn’t Wong then.


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I was thinking the other day how much I used to hate Bill Clinton. He was freaking George Washington compared to what they are now.
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