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Antifa threatened on social media that they were coming to small town Placerville, CA tonight and if anybody stood in their way "there will be consequences".

The Hell's Angel, along with the Mongols, accepted that challenge and posted they will meet Antifa there in Placerville.

Antifa has cancelled their plans. Guess they want no part in taking on biker gangs.


Hahaha...probably a smart move, commies.

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Too bad the Angels warned them in advance.


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I thought the Mongols got disbanded by the ATF?
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and Mongol club name and all such illegal.

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Antifa puzzies would've gotten the kind of azz whipping they deserved, just goes to show what kind of cowards they really are .

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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Too bad the Angels warned them in advance.


Absolutely, they shoulda just kept quiet & had some fun. grin

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Sounds like a plot summary for a 1970's B grade horror movie. But more fun than a rubber robot shark anyway.


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Originally Posted by MontanaMan
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Too bad the Angels warned them in advance.


Absolutely, they shoulda just kept quiet & had some fun. grin

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For sure, with old bike chains.


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I grew up watching the biker movies, & when I got older I've seen bits & pieces of the real thing.

Antifa vs. Hell's Angles would be the shortest movie ever. It would be fun to watch though.

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Originally Posted by jaguartx
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Too bad the Angels warned them in advance.


Absolutely, they shoulda just kept quiet & had some fun. grin

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For sure, with old bike chains.


Outlaw bikers actually seem to prefer ball peen hammers.

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Originally Posted by Bristoe
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Too bad the Angels warned them in advance.


Absolutely, they shoulda just kept quiet & had some fun. grin

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For sure, with old bike chains.


Outlaw bikers actually seem to prefer ball peen hammers.


Cheap, easy to find, and a lot easier to clean afterwards than an old chain.

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Originally Posted by Bristoe
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Too bad the Angels warned them in advance.


Absolutely, they shoulda just kept quiet & had some fun. grin

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For sure, with old bike chains.


Outlaw bikers actually seem to prefer ball peen hammers.


Worked with 2 pagans and a Bandido who fled to the east coast ahead of warrants back in 1989. The one riveted a hammer holder off a tool pouch to the side of the tank on an early 80's fxr shovelhead. Carried a ball peen hammer in it and called it a traffic cop. We were working in NoVa/D.C. and he said if anybody crowded him on I66 he knocked the mirror off the car or busted a window.

I was 17 and they scared the living hell out of me.



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When I lived out that way there were a few abandoned mine shafts around Placerville. One of them sounds like a good place for a few ANTIFAGGOTS to take a long vacation!


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Another weapon of choice at least by the local Pagans ive been around is a nice sized padlock with a bandanna tied on the shackle. Usually carried in back pocket with bandanna sticking out of pocket for easy retieval. Have seen the damage it can do to someone when swung briskly! Discreet and doesnt fall under the "no weapons" policy of most establishments and if questioned about it by LE its simply a lock to secure the bike.

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OG biker knife.

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Originally Posted by FatCity67
OG biker knife.

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Recommended by Sonny Barger his own self.

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The Rolling Stones hired the Hell's Angels to work security at one of their concerts. They were excessively violent with rowdy fans.

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Originally Posted by greydog
I don't much reason support any gang or organized crime group. Drug dealers, pimps, racketeers; they ain't no heroes. GD


Yes,....we know.

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Originally Posted by FatCity67
OG biker knife.

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Really?

We have several.


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Originally Posted by Bristoe
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I don't much reason support any gang or organized crime group. Drug dealers, pimps, racketeers; they ain't no heroes. GD


Yes,....we know.



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Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
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OG biker knife.

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Really?

We have several.



Yup they were a thang in the 70's and 80's.

Also there was a Buck that was wildly popular then as well. Can't remember name right now but it was much more expensive than the Sharpfinger.


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Originally Posted by Bristoe
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OG biker knife.

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Recommended by Sonny Barger his own self.


LMAO, criscoe be all tuned in to the scooter trash lifestyle.


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
The Rolling Stones hired the Hell's Angels to work security at one of their concerts. They were excessively violent with rowdy fans.


Pops two uncles and some buddy's were at Altamont. All of them cops save for my Dad.


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Originally Posted by greydog
I don't much reason support any gang or organized crime group. Drug dealers, pimps, racketeers; they ain't no heroes. GD



They appear to have more backbone than most of the liberal city mayors and police departments.

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Originally Posted by lvmiker
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OG biker knife.

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Recommended by Sonny Barger his own self.


LMAO, criscoe be all tuned in to the scooter trash lifestyle.


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Suck your lemon and hush,...ya cranky old fool.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
The Rolling Stones hired the Hell's Angels to work security at one of their concerts. They were excessively violent with rowdy fans.



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"Fan" tried to shoot Jagger and an Angel put the stab on him with his pig-sticker.

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We still like the sharp finger.


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Originally Posted by Bristoe
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Originally Posted by Bristoe
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OG biker knife.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]


Recommended by Sonny Barger his own self.


LMAO, criscoe be all tuned in to the scooter trash lifestyle.


mike r


Suck your lemon and hush,...ya cranky old fool.



It is Saturday night in a land roiled w/ turmoil and I have a chance to be enlightened by an OG scooterbum, who could resist such a plum. Them nigras and their 'handlers' have you shaking in your slippers and slamming bong hits and Titos. LMAO. You remain a monster on the innanets.


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Stab them in the taint, you can't put a tourniquet on that.
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Originally Posted by lvmiker
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Originally Posted by lvmiker
Originally Posted by Bristoe
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OG biker knife.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]


Recommended by Sonny Barger his own self.


LMAO, criscoe be all tuned in to the scooter trash lifestyle.


mike r


Suck your lemon and hush,...ya cranky old fool.



It is Saturday night in a land roiled w/ turmoil and I have a chance to be enlightened by an OG scooterbum, who could resist such a plum. Them nigras and their 'handlers' have you shaking in your slippers and slamming bong hits and Titos. LMAO. You remain a monster on the innanets.


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Well,....isn't that special.

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Is that what the Joos use?

Who could we ask?


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Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Is that what the Joos use?

Who could we ask?



You can see what they use in many major cities tonight.

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Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Is that what the Joos use?

Who could we ask?



Not remsen but that is the tool of choice of scooter riding ashkenazi mohels.


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Originally Posted by greydog
I don't much reason support any gang or organized crime group. Drug dealers, pimps, racketeers; they ain't no heroes. GD


I don't either, but if they manage to do something that has a positive effect, I can support that.

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Originally Posted by greydog
I don't much reason support any gang or organized crime group. Drug dealers, pimps, racketeers; they ain't no heroes. GD


The enemy of my enemy kinda stuff. Ain’t hard.


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Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by greydog
I don't much reason support any gang or organized crime group. Drug dealers, pimps, racketeers; they ain't no heroes. GD


The enemy of my enemy kinda stuff. Ain’t hard.



Scum is scum. Pick a side, Ain't hard.


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Originally Posted by Ranger99
I thought the Mongols got disbanded by the ATF?
The way I understood, the courts made the colors
and Mongol club name and all such illegal.


There are Mongols in my AO. They used to hang at our local dive bar. They lost their "colors" but were wearing screen printed tee's, black on white shirts. I thin they sued back and won their colors back.


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Originally Posted by lvmiker
Originally Posted by Old_Toot
Originally Posted by greydog
I don't much reason support any gang or organized crime group. Drug dealers, pimps, racketeers; they ain't no heroes. GD


The enemy of my enemy kinda stuff. Ain’t hard.



Scum is scum. Pick a side, Ain't hard.


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Don’t matter the color of the cat as long as it catches the rat.

Do your own nitpicking, mikey.


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I ran with some Banditos in my twenty's, you don't want to be on their bad side.


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Try doing your own ratcatching, scum is scum...tooty.


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Originally Posted by stxhunter
I ran with some Banditos in my twenty's, you don't want to be on their bad side.



I spent >more than 2 years working UC w/ biker gangs. Absolute scum of the earth, they are punks.


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Originally Posted by lvmiker
Try doing your own ratcatching, scum is scum...tooty.


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Blow it out your self righteous, big mouthed asss, mikey.


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Originally Posted by Old_Toot
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Try doing your own ratcatching, scum is scum...tooty.


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Blow it out your self righteous, big mouthed asss, mikey.



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Originally Posted by lvmiker
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I ran with some Banditos in my twenty's, you don't want to be on their bad side.



I spent >more than 2 years working UC w/ biker gangs. Absolute scum of the earth, they are punks.


mike r


So scum vs scum is bad.

Maybe had you done your UC better and more effectively we wouldn’t have the scum problem.


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Originally Posted by lvmiker
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I ran with some Banditos in my twenty's, you don't want to be on their bad side.



I spent >more than 2 years working UC w/ biker gangs. Absolute scum of the earth, they are punks.


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I don't think you've done any of the bullshit you talk about.

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You're just a puckered up old fart sitting in the desert suckin' on a lemon.

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Originally Posted by lvmiker
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I ran with some Banditos in my twenty's, you don't want to be on their bad side.



I spent >more than 2 years working UC w/ biker gangs. Absolute scum of the earth, they are punks.


mike r

agree not good people by any means.


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LOL, you old dudes is hilarious.


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Originally Posted by lvmiker
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I ran with some Banditos in my twenty's, you don't want to be on their bad side.



I spent >more than 2 years working UC w/ biker gangs. Absolute scum of the earth, they are punks.


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Translation..... Big bad biker dude with schlong like donkey banged my old lady.

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Originally Posted by Bristoe
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I ran with some Banditos in my twenty's, you don't want to be on their bad side.



I spent >more than 2 years working UC w/ biker gangs. Absolute scum of the earth, they are punks.


mike r


I don't think you've done any of the bullshit you talk about.
You and me both. Fuggin windbag.

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Originally Posted by stxhunter
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I ran with some Banditos in my twenty's, you don't want to be on their bad side.



I spent >more than 2 years working UC w/ biker gangs. Absolute scum of the earth, they are punks.


mike r

agree not good people by any means.



And them wanting to meet the antifa trash is a bad thing ?

That’s what the thread is about but Mikey’s booze has taken over. He’ll be okay tomorrow.


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Originally Posted by Blackheart
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I ran with some Banditos in my twenty's, you don't want to be on their bad side.



I spent >more than 2 years working UC w/ biker gangs. Absolute scum of the earth, they are punks.


mike r
Translation..... Big bad biker dude with schlong like donkey banged my old lady.

they are not good by any means, but I'd rather them owing me a favor than the other way around. It has come in handy a time or two years back.


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Hung around with some Jokers when I was riding hard. Never got into it they. were fine in daylight and stayed out of the way. Pretty mild compared to the angels.


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Originally Posted by stxhunter
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I ran with some Banditos in my twenty's, you don't want to be on their bad side.



I spent >more than 2 years working UC w/ biker gangs. Absolute scum of the earth, they are punks.


mike r
Translation..... Big bad biker dude with schlong like donkey banged my old lady.

they are not good by any means, but I'd rather them owing me a favor than the other way around. It has come in handy a time or two years back.



Careful there.

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Originally Posted by Old_Toot
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I don't much reason support any gang or organized crime group. Drug dealers, pimps, racketeers; they ain't no heroes. GD


The enemy of my enemy kinda stuff. Ain’t hard.



The enemy of your enemy is likely to knife you too.


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Originally Posted by JSTUART
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I don't much reason support any gang or organized crime group. Drug dealers, pimps, racketeers; they ain't no heroes. GD


The enemy of my enemy kinda stuff. Ain’t hard.



The enemy of your enemy is likely to knife you too.


Not as long as I know that he’s the enemy.

This ain’t about love and adoration.


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I ran with some Banditos in my twenty's, you don't want to be on their bad side.



I spent >more than 2 years working UC w/ biker gangs. Absolute scum of the earth, they are punks.


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they are not good by any means, but I'd rather them owing me a favor than the other way around. It has come in handy a time or two years back.
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I don't much reason support any gang or organized crime group. Drug dealers, pimps, racketeers; they ain't no heroes. GD


The enemy of my enemy kinda stuff. Ain’t hard.



Ain't hard.


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I don't much reason support any gang or organized crime group. Drug dealers, pimps, racketeers; they ain't no heroes. GD


The enemy of my enemy kinda stuff. Ain’t hard.



The enemy of your enemy is likely to knife you too.



Doesn’t Oz have a Hells Angels Chapter ?

I seem to recall that ?


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At one time the Gulfport Memorial Day Weekend Biker Blowout was a very large gathering. There were a lot of 1 percenters there. They had their own areas cordoned off with a guard at the entrance. It was pretty intimidating. The Blowout officials always asked the Coast Guard to take care of the presentation of colors. I coordinated the Coast Guard contingent. If we were in uniform and walked past a one percenter they were very warm and cordial. We were only in uniform for the official ceremony and for a short while thereafter, then we changed out. When we walked past one then, we weren't likely to get a greeting.

The event was held at the Gulfport drag racing track. Races ran through the weekend. They allowed attendees to run their own bikes during certain times. I took the opportunity to do that one year. My bike was a Yamaha FJR 1300 sport touring bike. It's a pretty fast bike. I ran several times and easily bested the Harleys that were mostly stock or lightly modded. One time I lined up against a pretty ratted out looking Harley. I could tell by the exhaust note it was fairly well breathed on though. I can't even recall which club, but the rider was a 1 percenter. Previously I had exchanged smiles and head nods with the riders I lined up against. This guy was stone faced and wouldn't look my way. It made me nervous, and I thought about sandbagging, but ultimately decided to try to win. That ratty ass bike smoked me right good. In some ways I was relieved.

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Those Blow Out drags were fun. Been a few times myself. Seems like it was the Banditos pulling security.

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I wouldn't want to side with either. But if I absolutely had no choice, I certainly wouldn't pick the scum that hates America.


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Originally Posted by Blackheart
Used to hang with MVR's {Mohawk valley riders} when I was young. You ain't telling me nothing I don't already know.



lol.


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Originally Posted by Morewood
...The Hell's Angel, along with the Mongols, accepted that challenge and posted they will meet Antifa there in Placerville...


Very highly unlikely as the Mongols and Hell's Angels have long been bitter enemies.


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Originally Posted by pal
Originally Posted by Morewood
...The Hell's Angel, along with the Mongols, accepted that challenge and posted they will meet Antifa there in Placerville...


Very highly unlikely as the Mongols and Hell's Angels have long been bitter enemies.



Like at the Laughlin love fest back when?

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Originally Posted by Showdog75
Those Blow Out drags were fun. Been a few times myself. Seems like it was the Banditos pulling security.


Yep. We stood side by side with them in the flag ceremony.

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Got a good friend who was a chapter President with the Outlaws years back. Not a big guy, but mean as it gets when he needs to be. And loyal to a fault. Dude would come running if I was fighting off the devil himself and called for help. Even if he had to hitchhike. I would do the same for him. Lives alone in Galloping Goose turf, rides all over up there, and they leave him alone. He used to be a real bad guy by most standards. Doing all the things a 1 percenter does. Got bullet and knife scars to show for it, and a detached retina.

Funny as schit, that. He wears an eye patch most of the time, plus an old leather hat. He came into possession of a parrot, and the bird rode all over the place on his shoulder. Looked like a damn pirate. He’s a hardcore Christian these days, it he will never be the lily white passive Jesus freak type. Jesus better be there in person if He wants to call the guy off an Antifa soy boy or ten.

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My great uncle was an original Hell's Angel, back in the early 50's.

Both sides of my mother and father's family were from SoCal. He grew up and lived in Fontana, Ca for as long as I can remember, the real birthplace of the Hell's Angels.

He died when I was maybe 5, or 6? I can remember sitting in his lap. His gray beard, leather jacket, tats eveywhere. I remember sitting on his Harley.

I remember him as the nicest, sweetest man. He looked the part of a Hell's Angel, and I should have been scared to death to be in a room with him, but he was the biggest friggin' teddy bear I'd ever seen at that age.

His name pops up here and there if you are looking deep into Hell's Angel's history, but all of it before they really got rowdy. He was actually quite the philanthropist. He was a money guy in real life (banker, I think) but was their treasurer for a short time from what I know.

Anyhow. Sorry to derail the thread. It just brought those memories back.


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I think everyone would agree that Outlaw Bikers enjoy thumping non-club member guys who need thumping. Hostility and the cultivation thereof being a major part of the Outlaw psyche.

I would further guess the the skinny, spiteful computer dweeb chickensh$t guys like Antifa especially trigger the generic Outlaw Biker prey drive.

All other judgements and value considerations aside, it would not trouble me at all if an Antifa squad encountered a pack of Hell’s Angels/Bandidos/Mongols/Whatever. 🙂


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Ironic as hell........The outlaws keeping the law.


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Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
We still like the sharp finger.

There's one sitting on the shelf of my desk as I type this, within ready reach. Might be nearly as old as you Jim.

Another newer version, when they were made in Ireland I believe, sits in the door pocket of my truck.

Neither used in anger.............yet??

As to the hammers.........................Italians have known about them since way before the Bikers.


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Originally Posted by Ranger99
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Originally Posted by Morewood
...The Hell's Angel, along with the Mongols, accepted that challenge and posted they will meet Antifa there in Placerville...


Very highly unlikely as the Mongols and Hell's Angels have long been bitter enemies.



Like at the Laughlin love fest back when?


Look up a bombing at a mortuary in Lemon Grove CA. That might tell you how much they like each other.


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Have a friend in Placerville, the Angles did show up, no other groups. ANTIFA showed up, but behaved. Arrived on a charter bus. Somebody needs to whack Soros.







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Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
"Fan" tried to shoot Jagger and an Angel put the stab on him with his pig-sticker.


Always wondered why he would want to shoot Jagger, always thought maybe he was pissed off at an Angel for some reason.







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Originally Posted by Barkoff
Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
"Fan" tried to shoot Jagger and an Angel put the stab on him with his pig-sticker.


Always wondered why he would want to shoot Jagger, always thought maybe he was pissed off at an Angel for some reason.



Guessing you haven't heard rubber lips sing?


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Angels, Protesters and Patriots: What a Long-Ago Skirmish Says About Love of Country

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Lately, I’ve been thinking about an incident that happened in 1965, seven years before I was born. It centered on an antiwar protest in Berkeley, one of the first of countless such protests to come. Though just a blip in the grand scheme of Vietnam era turmoil, it seems to point to something important about America and the nature of patriotism.

It starts with a guy named “Tiny.” Tiny was 6’7” and 300 pounds. And he really liked to fight.

He was first into the breach that fall afternoon in 1965, punching his way through the front of the seven-block-long peace march on Adeline Street, near the Berkeley–Oakland border. Tiny was a member of the outlaw motorcycle gang Hells Angels, and more than a dozen of his brothers followed in his wake, ripping down antiwar signs and screaming, “Go back to Russia, you [bleep] Communists!”

By the time things calmed down, six Angels were in custody—including Tiny, who took a nightstick to the skull and on his way to the pavement broke a cop’s leg.

Later, the Angels held a press conference at their bail bondsman’s office. Oakland chapter leader Ralph “Sonny” Barger, an Army vet with slicked-back hair and an air of casual menace, called the protesters a “mob of traitors.” The Angels would take the high road, however, and absent themselves from future protests because, Barger explained, “Our patriotic concern for what these people are doing to our great nation may provoke violence by us.” Then he read a telegram he claimed to have sent to President Lyndon Johnson, volunteering the Angels for behind-the-lines “gorrilla” [sic] duty in Vietnam.

The Angels, at first blush, seemed unlikely patriots. Though not yet well known, they had a reputation with law enforcement for drinking, smoking dope, and sacking towns like modern-day Visigoths, answering to no authority higher than their East Oakland clubhouse. But now there they were, waving the flag. Their form of patriotism was gut-level, atavistic, loyalty to nation through blood and fire. Their group persona, meanwhile, was the stuff of American mythology, a grab-bag of frontier clichés sprung to life—they were contemporary cowboys, John Wayne’s unwashed, scofflaw cousins.

From behind the police lines, Gonzo journalist Hunter S. Thompson, who would publish a book on the Angels in 1967, watched the melee unfold that day. He noted that the antiwar crowd was fascinated by the bikers’ “aggressive, antisocial stance” and had hoped they might be allies in the struggle. Instead, “When push came to shove, the Hells Angels lined up solidly with the cops, the Pentagon, and the John Birch Society.”

At that point in the war, the American public tended to side with the Angels—at least when it came to the protesters. After the march, the counterculture newspaper Berkeley Barb canvassed Oaklanders’ opinions. Only 5 out of 66 surveyed supported the marchers. One woman said, “I think they should take a machine gun and shoot them all down.”

Ultimately, the protesters were on the right side of history. As American involvement in Vietnam deepened and the death toll mounted, public opinion turned decisively against a conflict that looked more unwinnable by the day.

Dissent often looks more admirable in the rear-view mirror. While some of the marchers likely had nothing more principled on their minds than avoiding the draft or getting laid, plenty of others could have articulated the politics behind their protest, connecting it not just to Marxist theories like those of foreign anticolonialists such as Frantz Fanon, but also to the Enlightenment ideals espoused by homegrown pot-stirrers such as Thomas Paine. They didn’t see their protest as unpatriotic. It was more an expression of idealism. As Cal’s Vietnam Day Committee announced that spring, “The problem of Vietnam is the problem of the soul of America.”

Martin Luther King, too, spoke of Vietnam in those terms, in a famous 1967 speech in which the civil rights leader and Nobel Peace Prize winner publicly spoke out against the war. “If America’s soul becomes totally poisoned,” King told his audience, “part of the autopsy must read: Vietnam.” King also reminded his listeners that the motto of his Southern Christian Leadership Conference was “To save the soul of America.”

As UC Berkeley linguist and NPR commentator Geoffrey Nunberg notes, “To describe oneself as a patriot is to suggest that others are less so.”

A half-century on, the question of who and what defines the soul of America (and whether it needs saving) and what it means to be a patriot is as unsettled as ever. This is mostly due to the quicksilver nature of the term patriotism itself. Patriotism lives primarily in the realm of myth and symbol, changeable from Left to Right and from one era to another. JFK and George W. Bush, civil rights leaders and Tea Partiers—patriots all, depending on whom you ask.

Jack Citrin, a professor of political science at Berkeley who has studied the relationship between American multiculturalism and patriotism, points out that the word is easy enough to define: love of country. The real question, though, is What do you mean when you say it?

“It was always interesting to see the fights between liberals and conservatives,” says journalist Paul Krassner, the former Yippie and Merry Prankster, who covered the anti-Vietnam movement in his underground newspaper The Realist. “Each group would shout at the other group, ‘We’re the patriots! You’re being unpatriotic!’”

As Berkeley linguist and NPR commentator Geoffrey Nunberg notes, “To describe oneself as a patriot is to suggest that others are less so.”

It’s not always a matter of rhetoric. Iconography also comes into play. In the sixties, symbols of patriotism were everywhere, useful proxies for anyone who wanted to make a statement on Vietnam. War supporters flew flags on their porches, and Richard Nixon donned a flag lapel pin. (According to biographer Stephen Ambrose, Nixon got the idea from Robert Redford’s antiestablishment film, The Candidate.) Protesters waved the flag, too—and wore it, sporting the stars and stripes on bell-bottoms and miniskirts and fringed jackets. Yippie Abbie Hoffman made a shirt out of Old Glory, and others painted it on their guitars, à la Wayne Kramer of the Detroit proto-punks MC5. While Jimi Hendrix played a tortured rock rendition of “The Star-Spangled Banner,” pro-war crowds sang “God Bless America.”

As the war ground on, however, the sense of frustration on the Left grew. Anger at the war bled into a generalized anger at the country. Liberals quit waving the flag. Krassner says, “You felt ashamed to be an American.”

By the time the last chopper lifted off the U.S. Embassy roof in Saigon, the Left was in full retreat from patriotism, leaving the Right to define the concept as it saw fit. The Right’s version tended to draw from the cowboy mythos of rugged individualism, just as the Angels’ version did. It was also militaristic, celebrating both American military power and the American soldier. Finally, the Right embraced a brand of American exceptionalism rooted in the Pilgrims’ Calvinist beliefs—Ronald Reagan’s invocation of America as a “shining city upon a hill,” blessed by Providence. A beacon to the world.

That exceptionalism finds expression on the Left as well, often as part of an ethic of global service, exemplified by programs such as the Peace Corps. Two decades earlier, President John F. Kennedy had invoked the same image before reminding his audience—the Massachusetts legislature—that, “of those to whom much is given, much is required.” In 2006, so did Barack Obama, when addressing the graduating class at the University of Massachusetts Boston.

Perhaps the truest thing anyone can say of patriotism is that it’s personal. I came of political age in the Reagan era, and in the hardcore punk scene that grew in response to it. I devoured righteous broadsides on apartheid, the prison-industrial complex, and Salvadoran death squads in Maximum Rocknroll, the Bay Area punk bible. I listened to bands with gleefully provocative names—Jodie Foster’s Army, Millions of Dead Cops, Dead Kennedys.

When, in 1984, Reagan adopted Bruce Springsteen’s “Born in the USA” as a campaign anthem, my parents dragged me to a Springsteen concert. I suffered as only a 12-year-old can suffer. It was years before I realized that the song was actually an indictment of the country’s piss-poor treatment of its Vietnam veterans.

None of this is to say that I lack national feeling. As much as I dislike the F-16 flyovers at the World Series (what does that have to do with baseball?), I root for the Americans when the Olympics come around. When I worked as a journalist and human rights researcher in the Middle East, I regularly got an earful on the shortcomings of U.S. policies. I agreed with most of the criticism, but I felt a tug of defensiveness, too. I couldn’t help it.

Like most people, I suspect, my feeling for this country is root-level, non-ideological. It’s the hardwired love you have for the place of your birth.

My wariness of patriotism comes from the tribalism that creeps alongside it and the Us and Them divisions it inevitably creates. There’s an undeniable appeal to tribal membership, of course. We all want to be part of the club, however we define it—Hells Angels, the GOP, punk rock.

The thing about clubs, though, is that not everybody’s welcome. If we’re being honest, most of us would reserve the right to pick who gets through the door. FDR’s New Deal, for all of its civic reforms, shut out African Americans. And in the view of at least some conservatives, America would be better off without Mexicans and Muslims. And what to make of Ammon Bundy’s militia, the guys who occupied the Oregon wildlife refuge this winter? They wrap themselves in the flag yet barely recognize the existence of the federal government. Are they patriots? Or are they domestic terrorists?

…Millennial students tend to see the world through an internationalist lens. Patriotism, with its tribal undercurrents, strikes them as irrelevant or counterproductive.

On a crisp morning in the winter of 2009, I joined thousands of other San Franciscans in the plaza fronting City Hall’s beaux-arts façade. We craned our necks, jubilant and slightly giddy, toward a giant screen to watch the inauguration of Barack Obama. The view would have been better back home on the couch, but that wasn’t the point—we wanted to be around others who felt as we did. After Obama’s speech we sang “The Star-Spangled Banner,” teary-eyed, voices cracking, then lingered in the sun, enjoying the moment.

I thought of something Michelle Obama had said the prior year, when her husband’s campaign began to gain steam: “For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country.” An avalanche of criticism from the Right soon forced her to walk back her comment, but it resonated on the Left. For all of my own misgivings about patriotism, that’s how I felt that day in the Civic Center. This was our version of country.

Inevitably the euphoria faded, but it was a reminder that patriotism can be a powerful force. For that reason, some progressives are pushing to reclaim it. Robert Reich, labor secretary under Bill Clinton and a Berkeley public policy professor, made his case in a July 4 message last year, invoking a civic-minded patriotism in service of equality and the common good. As he tells me, “It’s about how we could create a better nation for all of our citizens.”

Michael Kazin, a former leader of Students for a Democratic Society and member of the Weathermen who teaches at Georgetown and co-edits the Leftist journal Dissent, agrees on the need for a reclamation. He says that his Millennial students tend to see the world through an internationalist lens. Patriotism, with its tribal undercurrents, strikes them as irrelevant or counterproductive. “They don’t talk about Americanism because they don’t see it that way,” he says with a sigh. “They’d have to reinvent patriotism, not just reclaim it.”

Perhaps the best we can hope for is a cold peace, something akin to what went down between the Hells Angels and the peaceniks in late 1965…

Only one thing seems certain: We will never, ever agree on the meaning of the word. Patriotism will continue to be refracted through the lens of ideology and upbringing. Republicans will emphasize American exceptionalism, Democrats inclusion, and Libertarians individual rights. And some, especially Millennials, may reject patriotism entirely while yielding to some other, as yet undefined tribal affiliation. As the biologist E.O. Wilson has written, the human tendency to form groups is instinctual and therefore nonnegotiable. He called it “our greatest, and worst, genetic inheritance.”

Perhaps the best we can hope for is a cold peace, something akin to what went down between the Hells Angels and the peaceniks in late 1965. Despite the Berkeley beatdown, many in the counterculture still saw the outlaw bikers as natural allies who just hadn’t grasped their proper role in the struggle yet. Krassner explains the thinking, “It was the whole countercultural ‘We love everybody, let’s all be together’ thing.”

A few weeks after the riot, poet Allen Ginsberg and some antiwar leaders went to Sonny Barger’s house for a meeting brokered by the novelist and Merry Prankster Ken Kesey, whose own politics existed somewhere out on the Day-Glo libertarian fringe. Together they dropped acid, talked politics, and sang Bob Dylan songs. When most of them were good and loaded, Ginsberg began chanting a Buddhist mantra, his mellifluous voice filling the room. Eventually the bikers joined in—even Tiny.

Alas, the grand alliance didn’t take. Barger, who would go on to survive cancer and prison bids and come out the other side as a living brand (his website sells merch inscribed “Sonny Barger: American Legend”), never changed his views. Those “left-wing peace creeps,” he declared in his autobiography, deserved every bruise they got.

All the same, the Angels never attacked another protest. 


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Originally Posted by Barkoff
Have a friend in Placerville, the Angles did show up, no other groups. ANTIFA showed up, but behaved. Arrived on a charter bus. Somebody needs to whack Soros.


Why we haven't confiscated all his assests and put him and his kids behind bars ill never know, but the scum needs scrubbing.

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Outlaw bikers are seriously bad guys. In the mid '90's I discovered two bodies in a remote area, turned it in to the Sheriff's office. One of the detectives told me a year later, that the FBI had traced the killings to a bike gang based in Oakland CA, whom I had never heard of. Apparently, the gang had given a "cook" 35,000 bucks cash to start a meth lab, the cook and his girlfriend ran with the dough, the Henchmen found them somehow, with predictable results. No one was ever charged in those murders.


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Originally Posted by Ranger99
I thought the Mongols got disbanded by the ATF?
The way I understood, the courts made the colors
and Mongol club name and all such illegal.
You should tell that to the club riders that live here in our area. they musta missed the memo.


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Around 2011 the wife and I were the Atlantis Casino , Reno. The place started filling up with Mongols, partying real hard! A short time later sheriff's walked in and removed about six or seven of the group! Later that evening I learned the reason for the party, one of them had just killed some Hells Angel uppity out in Sparks. This was during street vibrations, we haven't gone to the street vibrations since! As far as Altamont I was there, so far back you never knew anything happened, until word spread through the crowd! Interesting to read what people have to say about these groups! They are criminal groups and good for nothing in our society!

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Originally Posted by flintlocke
Outlaw bikers are seriously bad guys. In the mid '90's I discovered two bodies in a remote area, turned it in to the Sheriff's office. One of the detectives told me a year later, that the FBI had traced the killings to a bike gang based in Oakland CA, whom I had never heard of. Apparently, the gang had given a "cook" 35,000 bucks cash to start a meth lab, the cook and his girlfriend ran with the dough, the Henchmen found them somehow, with predictable results. No one was ever charged in those murders.


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A bunch of us used to ride our bikes to Louisville every year to watch the flat track races at Louisville Downs. That's the only time I've been around Hells Angels.

My impression of outlaw motorcycle gang members is, they behave in a fairly reasonable manner unless somebody gives them a reason not to un*less* a large group of them are in a large crowd.

When a bunch of them get together at an event, they seem to feel the need to display their "Outlawness".

Louisville eventually stopped hosting any flat track racing because of the actions of the outlaw bikers that the event attracted.

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The dudes I have ran into were low pro.......

Wouldn’t know it.

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Holy crap I missed all drunken fun last night. The troika of dumb really tuned me up in my absence which is the only way it would happen in real life. blackfart again displayed his fascination w/ black schlongs, tootie has a man crush on biker scum and criscoe did his usual drooling. He has previously called me a liar and knows w/out a doubt that he would not do so in person.

Outlaw MC gangs have a long history of working for the cartels in human trafficking as well as drug distribution and manufacture. Those that would approve of their presence in any facet of life should go to one of their parties and let them pull a train on your girl, just part of that fun loving, patriot culture.

Naivete is just absence of experience. Stupidity can be blamed on nature. But ignorance is preventable yet embraced by some. Antifa and Ob s are scum and should be eradicated. You girls make a good team.


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Originally Posted by FatCity67
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OG biker knife.

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Really?

We have several.



Yup they were a thang in the 70's and 80's.

Also there was a Buck that was wildly popular then as well. Can't remember name right now but it was much more expensive than the Sharpfinger.


Buck Kalinga?

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Originally Posted by lvmiker
Holy crap I missed all drunken fun last night. The troika of dumb really tuned me up in my absence which is the only way it would happen in real life. blackfart again displayed his fascination w/ black schlongs, tootie has a man crush on biker scum and criscoe did his usual drooling. He has previously called me a liar and knows w/out a doubt that he would not do so in person.

Outlaw MC gangs have a long history of working for the cartels in human trafficking as well as drug distribution and manufacture. Those that would approve of their presence in any facet of life should go to one of their parties and let them pull a train on your girl, just part of that fun loving, patriot culture.

Naivete is just absence of experience. Stupidity can be blamed on nature. But ignorance is preventable yet embraced by some. Antifa and Ob s are scum and should be eradicated. You girls make a good team.


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Glad you sobered up, mikey.

Time for you to start hammering back a few again.

Naïveté, you say ? Don’t be as stupid as you generally are.


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Originally Posted by Old_Toot
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Holy crap I missed all drunken fun last night. The troika of dumb really tuned me up in my absence which is the only way it would happen in real life. blackfart again displayed his fascination w/ black schlongs, tootie has a man crush on biker scum and criscoe did his usual drooling. He has previously called me a liar and knows w/out a doubt that he would not do so in person.

Outlaw MC gangs have a long history of working for the cartels in human trafficking as well as drug distribution and manufacture. Those that would approve of their presence in any facet of life should go to one of their parties and let them pull a train on your girl, just part of that fun loving, patriot culture.

Naivete is just absence of experience. Stupidity can be blamed on nature. But ignorance is preventable yet embraced by some. Antifa and Ob s are scum and should be eradicated. You girls make a good team.


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Glad you sobered up, mikey.

Time for you to start hammering back a few again.

Naïveté, you say ? Don’t be as stupid as you generally are.
Seems a lot of people don't like the nasty bastard. Perhaps he should take the time to ponder why that is.

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Originally Posted by Blackheart
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Originally Posted by lvmiker
Holy crap I missed all drunken fun last night. The troika of dumb really tuned me up in my absence which is the only way it would happen in real life. blackfart again displayed his fascination w/ black schlongs, tootie has a man crush on biker scum and criscoe did his usual drooling. He has previously called me a liar and knows w/out a doubt that he would not do so in person.

Outlaw MC gangs have a long history of working for the cartels in human trafficking as well as drug distribution and manufacture. Those that would approve of their presence in any facet of life should go to one of their parties and let them pull a train on your girl, just part of that fun loving, patriot culture.

Naivete is just absence of experience. Stupidity can be blamed on nature. But ignorance is preventable yet embraced by some. Antifa and Ob s are scum and should be eradicated. You girls make a good team.


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Glad you sobered up, mikey.

Time for you to start hammering back a few again.

Naïveté, you say ? Don’t be as stupid as you generally are.
Seems a lot of people don't like the nasty bastard. Perhaps he should take the time to ponder why that is.


He seems like the type that should have sucked on his service revolver. Oh well, hope springs eternal.

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Have a friend in Placerville, the Angles did show up, no other groups. ANTIFA showed up, but behaved. Arrived on a charter bus. Somebody needs to whack Soros.


Why we haven't confiscated all his assests and put him and his kids behind bars ill never know, but the scum needs scrubbing.


The Soros clan needs to occupy the bottom of a dozed-over trench. It's the only place they can do no harm.


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I just learned that tootie, blackfart and good old stoolhead are in agreement. I must be doing something right.

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Originally Posted by RichardAustin
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Have a friend in Placerville, the Angles did show up, no other groups. ANTIFA showed up, but behaved. Arrived on a charter bus. Somebody needs to whack Soros.


Why we haven't confiscated all his assests and put him and his kids behind bars ill never know, but the scum needs scrubbing.


The Soros clan needs to occupy the bottom of a dozed-over trench. It's the only place they can do no harm.


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Originally Posted by FatCity67
OG biker knife.

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HEY, that is one of my old hunting knives! Never used it in any fight...


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Originally Posted by horse1
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OG biker knife[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]
Really?We have several.
Yup they were a thang in the 70's and 80's. Also there was a Buck that was wildly popular then as well. Can't remember name right now but it was much more expensive than the Sharpfinger.
Buck Kalinga?


Yes, thats the one. Someone posted a picture of it in renegades buck 110 thread.


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Originally Posted by lvmiker
I just learned that tootie, blackfart and good old stoolhead are in agreement. I must be doing something right.

LMAO stoolhead is still enamored w/ sucking...deja vu


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You put yourself there with dumb scchitt, mikey.

No one did it to you.

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Originally Posted by Texczech
I dont think the Banditos or the Fugawees would let antifa walk the streets of Texarkana.



I’d pay to see that.


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Originally Posted by lvmiker
I just learned that tootie, blackfart and good old stoolhead are in agreement. I must be doing something right.

LMAO stoolhead is still enamored w/ sucking...deja vu


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Originally Posted by Old_Toot
I’d pay


Yeah I doubt that.

Likely most members of actual biker gangs are out of the usual reach of antifa as they can't really be damaged by online doxing. Their friends and family and employers already know the sort of person they are. Much like the guy with the 1488 tat who ran over the BLM protester, who Jean De Luz is trying to "ruin" by spreading his name on Twitter.

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Originally Posted by Stickfight
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I’d pay


Yeah I doubt that.

Likely most members of actual biker gangs are out of the usual reach of antifa as they can't really be damaged by online doxing. Their friends and family and employers already know the sort of person they are. Much like the guy with the 1488 tat who ran over the BLM protester, who Jean De Luz is trying to "ruin" by spreading his name on Twitter.


The net reaches a long way.

Evidently both did show in Placerville but was quiet.


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Originally Posted by Stickfight
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I’d pay


Yeah I doubt that.

Likely most members of actual biker gangs are out of the usual reach of antifa as they can't really be damaged by online doxing. Their friends and family and employers already know the sort of person they are. Much like the guy with the 1488 tat who ran over the BLM protester, who Jean De Luz is trying to "ruin" by spreading his name on Twitter.


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I just learned that tootie, blackfart and good old stoolhead are in agreement. I must be doing something right.

LMAO stoolhead is still enamored w/ sucking...deja vu


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Ok boomer. Make sure your husband posts when you die so we can all have a good laugh



ok stoolhead, yet another who cowers in the anonymity of the 'innanet'. It is amusing that you believe you are invisible.


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Originally Posted by Morewood
Antifa threatened on social media that they were coming to small town Placerville, CA tonight and if anybody stood in their way "there will be consequences".

The Hell's Angel, along with the Mongols, accepted that challenge and posted they will meet Antifa there in Placerville.

Antifa has cancelled their plans. Guess they want no part in taking on biker gangs.


Hahaha...probably a smart move, commies.

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Originally Posted by BOWSINGER
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OG biker knife.

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HEY, that is one of my old hunting knives! Never used it in any fight...

I thought the outlaw biker weapon of choice was a ball peen hammer.

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Originally Posted by shootbrownelk
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OG biker knife.

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HEY, that is one of my old hunting knives! Never used it in any fight...

I thought the outlaw biker weapon of choice was a ball peen hammer.


It is but I don't know why. It's plain to me that a framing hammer is a much more effective weapon.

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