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I am completely addicted and dependent on having some sort of BDC reticle for my hunting rifle optic. To the point I would rather have a $200 scope with a BDC than a Swarovski with a standard duplex (or even #4) knowing damn good and well the Swaro is a WAY better scope.

For where I hunt, shots range from 50 to 500 yards, most being in the 200 to 300 yard range. For me, these scopes combined with real world ballistics of your ammo make 500 yards very doable (in calm wind) with most bullets with a .400 BC and better. Shots 400 and in are a chip shot, where 300 to 400 used to be a stretch.

My favorite is the Leupold long range duplex. Two simple dots below the cross hair.

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Not the best pic in the world but I was able to watch this bedded herd of elk for over an hour. Range was 380. Rifle was a Browning A-bolt 30-06 with a lead tipped, flat based, 165 gr. junk assed Hornady SP with a lower end Nikon 3-9x40 with a BDC. When I finally got my shot, I put 3 right square in the lungs just as fast as I could work the bolt as easy as popping milk jugs off the bench at the range. That would have been a challenge for me with a duplex and getting in any tighter on those elk in the thick cedars wasn't going to happen.

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Anymore, minus the lever guns, I like my hunting rifles to have a 200 yard zero then have good knowledge of my hash mark hits. I really like how 2nd focal plane scopes can change the MOA measurements of the hash marks.

I have used CDS scopes, but have gotten rid of all those in favor of some sort of BDC reticle. I wasn't having very good turret tracking back to zero luck.

Am I the only one?

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With a little measuring out on the range you can accomplish something similar with a simple duplex reticle. My go-to hunting rifle is at the property right now so I cant reference the chart I figured out for it but... its sighted in 3" high at 100 yards, with the scope set on 9x the junction of the fine crosshair and the heavier post is dead on at 400 yards. I have it figured for different ranges on 3x 6x and 9x and fired at the range to confirm my math was correct.
You can also use the reticle for rough range estimation once you know how far apart they are.

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Look at that sheath!! Got any better pics of that?Thanks


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Originally Posted by Judman
Look at that sheath!! Got any better pics of that?Thanks


I sent you a P.M.

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I picked up a used Abolt chambered in 30-06 several years ago with the same laminated stock as the one in your photo. Your rifle is the only other one I have ever seen like it.

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I picked it up off another forum classifieds. I used it for a couple of years, killed a couple more elk with it, then have it away to a youth who needed it worse than I did. They are fine rifles.

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Originally Posted by Justahunter

I have used CDS scopes, but have gotten rid of all those in favor of some sort of BDC reticle. I wasn't having very good turret tracking back to zero luck.

Am I the only one?

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Nope, that's not uncommon. There are scopes out there that RTZ and track properly, and also have a "BDC reticle" (my preference is to have hash marks every 0.5 MRAD), giving the best of both worlds and opening up your options. Can't agree about the SFP "flexibility", though. Seen it bite people in the behind too many times. I'll take a bulletproof MRAD erector and FFP MRAD reticle every time, if given the choice.

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I too like the Leupold LRD. It simply works!

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I like the Leupold reticle also.


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Originally Posted by Jordan Smith
Originally Posted by Justahunter

I have used CDS scopes, but have gotten rid of all those in favor of some sort of BDC reticle. I wasn't having very good turret tracking back to zero luck.

Am I the only one?

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Nope, that's not uncommon. There are scopes out there that RTZ and track properly, and also have a "BDC reticle" (my preference is to have hash marks every 0.5 MRAD), giving the best of both worlds and opening up your options. Can't agree about the SFP "flexibility", though. Seen it bite people in the behind too many times. I'll take a bulletproof MRAD erector and FFP MRAD reticle every time, if given the choice.

You have your favorite?
I think scope manufacturing companies could do very well, by making the right scope for the hunting person.


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Originally Posted by Hammerdown
Originally Posted by Jordan Smith
Originally Posted by Justahunter

I have used CDS scopes, but have gotten rid of all those in favor of some sort of BDC reticle. I wasn't having very good turret tracking back to zero luck.

Am I the only one?

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Nope, that's not uncommon. There are scopes out there that RTZ and track properly, and also have a "BDC reticle" (my preference is to have hash marks every 0.5 MRAD), giving the best of both worlds and opening up your options. Can't agree about the SFP "flexibility", though. Seen it bite people in the behind too many times. I'll take a bulletproof MRAD erector and FFP MRAD reticle every time, if given the choice.

You have your favorite?
I think scope manufacturing companies could do very well, by making the right scope for the hunting person.

Yep, the SWFA 3-9x and LRHS 3-12x are my favourites.

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Originally Posted by Jordan Smith
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Originally Posted by Jordan Smith
Originally Posted by Justahunter

I have used CDS scopes, but have gotten rid of all those in favor of some sort of BDC reticle. I wasn't having very good turret tracking back to zero luck.

Am I the only one?

Todd

Nope, that's not uncommon. There are scopes out there that RTZ and track properly, and also have a "BDC reticle" (my preference is to have hash marks every 0.5 MRAD), giving the best of both worlds and opening up your options. Can't agree about the SFP "flexibility", though. Seen it bite people in the behind too many times. I'll take a bulletproof MRAD erector and FFP MRAD reticle every time, if given the choice.

You have your favorite?
I think scope manufacturing companies could do very well, by making the right scope for the hunting person.

Yep, the SWFA 3-9x and LRHS 3-12x are my favourites.


Those two for variables (and the 4.5-18 LRHS). The reticles are still usable at low power in fairly low light. The NX8 1-8 is pretty good though I wish the reticle extended all the way across on the lower powers...I've not used the higher power NX8 but I'm guessing they may be tough to use on lower powers.

MOA vs MRAD really doesn't matter to me as long as the reticle matches the adjustments.

I spent a lot of time killing stuff with Leupolds LRD in several 6x scopes. Not much a fan of it in a variable.

I use Nightforce's Velocity 600 reticle on several rifles and like it, but mainly use it for dialing as it's about as close to a duplex as you can get in the NXS models. I only use it on 1 rifle with a 200 yard zero and no dials.....drops match well to 400 (as far as I've tested it) but I'd still prefer to dial but it's a capped model.

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Some of those scopes can be too "busy", but if everything is kept pretty simple they are not a handicap and can be a big asset. I have some scopes set up for twisting dials, but only use them as range toys.


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Most of my rifles have BDC scopes. The ones that don't, with maybe one exception, are lever guns. A few have BDC reticles and knobs. I practice practice out to 600 with the BDC scopes and don't feel much need for the knobs inside that range.

That said, when shooting clay pigeons at 600, knobs allow more precision. Still, t I've hit 8 of 12 with the BDC scope on my .6.5-06AI at 14x and don't feel particularly hampered with the 9x most of my rifles wear as they allow me to dance around the edges, even if actual hits are fewer. More than good enough for elk or mulie sized kill zones, especially since my longed shot on big game has been 487 yards.


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I have a Leupold VX-R 3-9x40 with the Ballistic Firedot reticle (Item #111236). It's one of the most practical pieces of glass I've ever used because the reticle is illuminated and it has a BDC.

Most experienced shooters would want something else for routine use in open country, especially where wind is an issue, but as a general-purpose hunting scope it’s hard to beat.

This is a hunting scope—not ideal for making tiny groups on paper—with good reticle dimensions for low-light use. The illuminated part is a short vertical line, not a circle or square. It appears to be 1 MOA at 9x and 2.5 MOA at 3x. It’s bright enough to see in daylight without going to the highest setting. My astigmatism makes the dot flare on the higher settings, but reducing the brightness fixes it. It’s hard to find truly dark situations around here since I’m near a major West Coast city, but the dimmest settings would probably be fine in very low light.

Leupold marketing materials imply that from a 200-yard zero, the bottom of the circle is your 300-yard POI, the middle hash mark is your 400-yard POI, and bottom hash mark is your 500-yard POI. They don’t tell you is that this is only true for muzzle velocities north (in some cases far north) of 2,900 fps with very high BC bullets. Fortunately, you can tweak your zero and shoot some tests to figure out which distances the aiming marks actually indicate.

These figures are for a .308” 180-grain Nosler Partition (BC = .474) at 2,750 fps.
50 yards: +0.6”
100 yards: +1.8”
200 yards: Zero
250 yards: -3.3”
285 yards: -6.8", or the bottom of the circle
320 yards: -11.0”
355 yards: -16.7”, or the middle hash mark
400 yards: -25.5”
450 yards: -38.0”, or bottom hash mark

This dope is only correct with the scope on 9x, but if you’re making long shots in low light then you have time to adjust the scope. Whether it’s wise to attempt long shots in low light is another issue, but it might be OK in some situations. Game animals don’t stand around in 50-yard increments so I don’t get too worked up that the POIs aren’t in neat 50-yard increments.

All in all, it’s a useful piece of gear. Once I figured out how to use the reticle, it was easy to ring 8" steel at 425 yards with it. In the last 20 years, my longest shot on game has been about 120 yards. My average is about 30, but it’s nice to know that I have a piece of gear that will take me out beyond 400 if I want. I also like the fact that the turrets are capped and that there are no other external adjustments.

I’d buy another one, but of course Leupold has quit making it.


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Originally Posted by okie john
I have a Leupold VX-R 3-9x40 with the Ballistic Firedot reticle (Item #111236). It's one of the most practical pieces of glass I've ever used because the reticle is illuminated and it has a BDC.

Most experienced shooters would want something else for routine use in open country, especially where wind is an issue, but as a general-purpose hunting scope it’s hard to beat.

This is a hunting scope—not ideal for making tiny groups on paper—with good reticle dimensions for low-light use. The illuminated part is a short vertical line, not a circle or square. It appears to be 1 MOA at 9x and 2.5 MOA at 3x. It’s bright enough to see in daylight without going to the highest setting. My astigmatism makes the dot flare on the higher settings, but reducing the brightness fixes it. It’s hard to find truly dark situations around here since I’m near a major West Coast city, but the dimmest settings would probably be fine in very low light.

Leupold marketing materials imply that from a 200-yard zero, the bottom of the circle is your 300-yard POI, the middle hash mark is your 400-yard POI, and bottom hash mark is your 500-yard POI. They don’t tell you is that this is only true for muzzle velocities north (in some cases far north) of 2,900 fps with very high BC bullets. Fortunately, you can tweak your zero and shoot some tests to figure out which distances the aiming marks actually indicate.

These figures are for a .308” 180-grain Nosler Partition (BC = .474) at 2,750 fps.
50 yards: +0.6”
100 yards: +1.8”
200 yards: Zero
250 yards: -3.3”
285 yards: -6.8", or the bottom of the circle
320 yards: -11.0”
355 yards: -16.7”, or the middle hash mark
400 yards: -25.5”
450 yards: -38.0”, or bottom hash mark

This dope is only correct with the scope on 9x, but if you’re making long shots in low light then you have time to adjust the scope. Whether it’s wise to attempt long shots in low light is another issue, but it might be OK in some situations. Game animals don’t stand around in 50-yard increments so I don’t get too worked up that the POIs aren’t in neat 50-yard increments.

All in all, it’s a useful piece of gear. Once I figured out how to use the reticle, it was easy to ring 8" steel at 425 yards with it. In the last 20 years, my longest shot on game has been about 120 yards. My average is about 30, but it’s nice to know that I have a piece of gear that will take me out beyond 400 if I want. I also like the fact that the turrets are capped and that there are no other external adjustments.

I’d buy another one, but of course Leupold has quit making it.


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Which hash mark do you use for 476 yds?

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Originally Posted by DonFischer
Originally Posted by okie john
I have a Leupold VX-R 3-9x40 with the Ballistic Firedot reticle (Item #111236). It's one of the most practical pieces of glass I've ever used because the reticle is illuminated and it has a BDC.

Most experienced shooters would want something else for routine use in open country, especially where wind is an issue, but as a general-purpose hunting scope it’s hard to beat.

This is a hunting scope—not ideal for making tiny groups on paper—with good reticle dimensions for low-light use. The illuminated part is a short vertical line, not a circle or square. It appears to be 1 MOA at 9x and 2.5 MOA at 3x. It’s bright enough to see in daylight without going to the highest setting. My astigmatism makes the dot flare on the higher settings, but reducing the brightness fixes it. It’s hard to find truly dark situations around here since I’m near a major West Coast city, but the dimmest settings would probably be fine in very low light.

Leupold marketing materials imply that from a 200-yard zero, the bottom of the circle is your 300-yard POI, the middle hash mark is your 400-yard POI, and bottom hash mark is your 500-yard POI. They don’t tell you is that this is only true for muzzle velocities north (in some cases far north) of 2,900 fps with very high BC bullets. Fortunately, you can tweak your zero and shoot some tests to figure out which distances the aiming marks actually indicate.

These figures are for a .308” 180-grain Nosler Partition (BC = .474) at 2,750 fps.
50 yards: +0.6”
100 yards: +1.8”
200 yards: Zero
250 yards: -3.3”
285 yards: -6.8", or the bottom of the circle
320 yards: -11.0”
355 yards: -16.7”, or the middle hash mark
400 yards: -25.5”
450 yards: -38.0”, or bottom hash mark

This dope is only correct with the scope on 9x, but if you’re making long shots in low light then you have time to adjust the scope. Whether it’s wise to attempt long shots in low light is another issue, but it might be OK in some situations. Game animals don’t stand around in 50-yard increments so I don’t get too worked up that the POIs aren’t in neat 50-yard increments.

All in all, it’s a useful piece of gear. Once I figured out how to use the reticle, it was easy to ring 8" steel at 425 yards with it. In the last 20 years, my longest shot on game has been about 120 yards. My average is about 30, but it’s nice to know that I have a piece of gear that will take me out beyond 400 if I want. I also like the fact that the turrets are capped and that there are no other external adjustments.

I’d buy another one, but of course Leupold has quit making it.


Okie John


Which hash mark do you use for 476 yds?


That's beyond my limit on game. I'd use a different rig if I wanted to really stretch the range on steel or paper.


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You can also borrow a little trick from the crossbow boys and use the power selector to fine tune the extra aiming points to the range and your load. I futzed around last night with the Burris Reticle Analysis tool and got some useful looking results for my Grendel, which has an E1 4.5-14 mounted. Gonna take the PDFs I captured to the range and try it out when I get a cool, still day. This is for SFP scopes, of course.


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You can also borrow a little trick from the crossbow boys and use the power selector to fine tune the extra aiming points to the range and your load. I futzed around last night with the Burris Reticle Analysis tool and got some useful looking results for my Grendel, which has an E1 4.5-14 mounted. Gonna take the PDFs I captured to the range and try it out when I get a cool, still day. This is for SFP scopes, of course.


Never thought about fine tuning it that way. Will have to give it a try at 600 next time I'm at the range.


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Depends on accurate velocity and BC numbers of course, so needs actual shooting to verify. Should certainly put deer hunters in the money, anyway.


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