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You want to keep your targets about 5-6 MOA for use with irons.

Looks like you have about 3 MOA on that last 100yd target. Is that with ball? That's acceptable with ball, not a good lot, but within spec.
Some good ammo ought to cut that down to 1 1/2 or 2 MOA, depending upon your skill. Anything better than that is better than average with irons.

If it won't do that, pull the barrel.

It looks like your elbow might be sliding or you have trigger control issues (horizontal stringing). Probably both. Make sure your gun slides straight back every time. Wear the jacket to reduce pulse. Focus problems will be expressed as corner shots and elevation probs (vertical stringing). Watch for light changes on the post. A light change can be good for 3+ minutes of error.

The last 100 yard target looks like a 6moa group to me.

I'm throwing out the flier and the .357 holes
The flier damn sure wasn't the gun.

Oh, ok. I was including the flyer. My bad. Or looks like his bad.. All of us keep pointing out what he needs to do differently. Scope, better ammo, good rest, good trigger and good shooter to really evaluate the rifle.

What is that sight on the lower rifle?

It's a Primary Arms 5X prism with ACSS reticle.

Outside to outside it was just under 4", minus the flyer.

And yeah... These targets were fired with some IMI M193 ball.

I'm actually more interested in evaluating the shooter. It'd be interesting to me to have a competent shooter use my set-up and see what I should be attaining with it.

One issue with a larger target is the size of the target frames where I do most of my shooting. I may have to make a donation for something that will allow some white around a 12-13" bull.

That would help, if you know someone who is very proficient with an ar. Like others have mentioned, the AR is harder for some to shoot accurately. Check out some youtube videos of guys shooting rifles like yours and youll be surprised at the chidt groups they are shooting. Even so called match rifles with their 20" HBAR's and guys that talk like they know what they are doing are shooting 3-5" groups with match grade ammo. Ball ammo, not so much.

No it’s not, Army trains new recruits every week to engage targets 300 meters with peep sights.. the problem is most joe blow civilian has no clue about Nose on charging handle.. you want consistency nose up on charging handle.. guys who say they don’t do that either were never in service or they were and drill sergeants were on there asses. So to the op if you are not putting nose on charging handle them nose up on charging handle.

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How big are those 300 meter targets? I googled around and found 20" x 40".

I could likely hit one like that.

If it is that big, the OP’s original group size was sufficient.

And it explains why army guys are so consistently poor at rifle work.

Yes we are piss poor shots.. lol..

I always look forward to the AMU showing up at a match! LOL!

I know what you mean though, Blue. You're talking about Private Snuffy, not the elites. I believe their training has been improving, however.

Yeah, comparing the AMU to a guy who was “in the army” is like comparing Usain Bolt to your neighbor who likes to jog around the block.

What size is the target?

And it’s not necessarily just the shooting, it’s the rifle work in general. I’m shocked when a former army guy can zero his rifle at 50 yards without help, much less hit anything at distance.

And that may be with some justification, but the statement does cut a pretty wide swath. When I signed up I met a lot of guys that had never touched a firearm of any sort. And a lot of guys like myself with rural backgrounds that used a rifle like they were born with one. Military rifle training is probably harder for those who grew up with guns than for the city kids who had never used one.