Let's look at the upside to this socialist foolishness- - - -fewer (if any) cops around to stop us from shooting rioters and looters. Be careful what you wish for, ANTIFA! One of your silly riots wouldn't last five minutes when business owners don't have to worry about being arrested for defending their property from looters! Jerry
It's not a federal issue. If a city wants to try this, fine, go ahead. I don't think it will last very long if it's done this way. On the other hand, once police policies become federally-mandated and police forces become federally-controlled, it will be nearly impossible to reverse them. I think this is the left's strategy to federalize the police and take another step towards tyranny.
Winner, winner Chicken dinner!
Imagine a corporate oligarchy so effective, so advanced and fine tuned that its citizens still call it a democracy.
Let's look at the upside to this socialist foolishness- - - -fewer (if any) cops around to stop us from shooting rioters and looters. Be careful what you wish for, ANTIFA! One of your silly riots wouldn't last five minutes when business owners don't have to worry about being arrested for defending their property from looters! Jerry
Tucker Carlson stated on his Monday evening monologue the cities that will defund their police Dept. will replace them with liberal advocates they control.....the liberals are just not telling their citizens their intentions.
Cities replacing the police with their own liberal security forces they control has been done before........Ernst Rohm "Brown Shirts" in 1930's Nazi Germany.
The Brown Shirts were the reaction to the the Bolsheviks seeking, via perpetual mob violence in the streets, to install Marxism in Germany. The Government was too weak and feckless to do anything about the takeover that was in the process of occurring, which is why the German people supported the Brown Shirts. They were the only faction willing to go into the streets, in force, and put down the destruction being wrought by the radical left, i.e., by the Antifa/BLM of that time and place.
Read up on the 'night of the long knives'. Hitler feared Rohm who was the leader of the Brown Shirts. On that night in June of '34, Hitler sent out his elite SS and murdered Rohm and hundreds of other Nazi leaders, putting him in sole charge of the party.
“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell
It's not over when you lose. It's over when you quit.
Since I don't have a puppy to train or a bird cage to line, I don't have any need for the Noo Yawk Slime. If the socialist idiots in the big cities want to hamstring the cops with budget cuts and restrictive ROE's, go for it. I would support a federal grant program to provide disillusioned cops with moving expenses and salary assistance for about six months to help them relocate to communities where their skills would be appreciated and supported by the local citizens. You know, places where police vehicles aren't used routinely as tiki torches to illuminate store fronts for looters! Jerry
Somehow I got on the NYT mailing list without asking and I get a daily email update. I disagree with 95% of it but it's necessary to know what the opposition is doing if you want to counter it.
“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell
It's not over when you lose. It's over when you quit.
Tucker Carlson stated on his Monday evening monologue the cities that will defund their police Dept. will replace them with liberal advocates they control.....the liberals are just not telling their citizens their intentions.
Cities replacing the police with their own liberal security forces they control has been done before........Ernst Rohm "Brown Shirts" in 1930's Nazi Germany.
The Brown Shirts were the reaction to the the Bolsheviks seeking, via perpetual mob violence in the streets, to install Marxism in Germany. The Government was too weak and feckless to do anything about the takeover that was in the process of occurring, which is why the German people supported the Brown Shirts. They were the only faction willing to go into the streets, in force, and put down the destruction being wrought by the radical left, i.e., by the Antifa/BLM of that time and place.
Read up on the 'night of the long knives'. Hitler feared Rohm who was the leader of the Brown Shirts. On that night in June of '34, Hitler sent out his elite SS and murdered Rohm and hundreds of other Nazi leaders, putting him in sole charge of the party.
No kidding. When the tide finally does turn, for the worse, the hard core liberals will be the 1st ones that will be killed. They will be killed or imprisoned by their handlers. It's happened time and time again throughout history.
When their liberal utopia doesn't turn out like they planned, the liberals that were useful idiots are likely the first to make noise, so they are the first to die or go to prison. It's the conservative Americans that will not be surprised at what a sh&t show everything has become.
It's not just Nazi Germany. It has repeated time and time again. Long before Germany and since Germany.
This is from the NY Times. They make it sound so good on the surface.
The ‘defund’ conundrum Advocates for police reform are making the case that the phrase “defund the police” doesn’t mean what many people think it means. “Be not afraid,” Christy E. Lopez, a Georgetown University law professor, wrote in The Washington Post. “‘Defunding the police’ is not as scary (or even as radical) as it sounds.”
What it actually means, these advocates say, is reducing police budgets and no longer asking officers to do many jobs that they often don’t even want to do: resolving family and school disputes, moving homeless people into shelters and so on. Instead, funding for education, health care and other social services would increase. (For more detail on the movement’s agenda, you can read this Times explainer.)
The challenge for advocates is that many people equate “defunding” with a major reduction in policing — and they don’t like that idea. Reducing police budgets is arguably the only high-profile reform idea that’s not popular:
By The New York Times | Source: Yahoo News/YouGov Poll This situation reminds me of several other political issues in the Trump era, like health care and immigration. On all of them, progressives are pushing for multiple policy changes that are popular with voters (like expanded Medicare, the end of migrant-family separation and more police accountability). These changes are typically much more popular than President Trump’s positions on the same issues.
But many progressives have also adopted one big idea in each area that is decidedly unpopular with voters: Get rid of private health insurance. Abolish ICE. Defund the police.
The combination explains much of the political response you’ve seen in recent days. Joe Biden, Cory Booker and other Democrats have distanced themselves from the phrase “defund the police,” while Trump has highlighted it. “They’re saying defund the police,” he said last week. “Defund. Think of it.”
At the same time, some Republicans have begun signaling their openness to other parts of police reform, which is a big change. John Cornyn, a conservative senator facing a tough re-election campaign in Texas, yesterday tweeted the following: “I’m dedicated to rooting out racial injustices so no other family has to experience what George Floyd’s family has. It will require bipartisan commitment across the country & listening to the voices of those who have been most affected is the first step — we must not fail to act.”
A shift: A majority of Americans (57 percent) now believe the police are more likely to use excessive force against African-Americans. In 2014, the share was only 33 percent. “In my 35 years of polling, I’ve never seen opinion shift this fast or deeply,” Frank Luntz, a Republican pollster, said.
This is more issue for Liberal Americans because Conservatives are "armed to teeth', therefore, less police is a good thing. It saves money. Take example of private individuals keeping order in Casper Wyoming. It went to well that protesters chanted "All Lives Matter", the way it should be.
Read up on the 'night of the long knives'. Hitler feared Rohm who was the leader of the Brown Shirts. On that night in June of '34, Hitler sent out his elite SS and murdered Rohm and hundreds of other Nazi leaders, putting him in sole charge of the party.
I'm well aware of that. The leader of the Brown Shirts was plotting Hitler's assassination. But this has nothing to do what what I said in my previous post, since that was a very different time in Germany. When the Brown Shirts took to the streets to put down the Bolshevik rioters (which the Weimar government was too weak and feckless to do), they were supported by the German people.
Read up on the 'night of the long knives'. Hitler feared Rohm who was the leader of the Brown Shirts. On that night in June of '34, Hitler sent out his elite SS and murdered Rohm and hundreds of other Nazi leaders, putting him in sole charge of the party.
I'm well aware of that. The leader of the Brown Shirts was plotting Hitler's assassination. But this has nothing to do what what I said in my previous post, since that was a very different time in Germany. When the Brown Shirts took to the streets to put down the Bolshevik rioters (which the Weimar government was too weak and feckless to do), they were supported by the German people.
My understanding is Hitler killed Rohm at the urging of the German Milliary.
I don’t think the people saying “defund the police” have a clear or cohesive idea of what that even means. They’ve been holding up Camden NJ as an example, but that wasn’t anything like defunding, just big bang reform.
Possibly the experiment antifa is running in the Capitol Hill neighborhood in Seattle is a better example. It’ll probably end up like Occupy protest, but they’ve been a little more aggressive in blocking access to the area they control and patrolling its border.
Probably means something that instead of taking over public areas they actually forced the police to abandon a station.
In any case there is no effective police presence in that area.
Wonder how much police time and money is wasted because a couple are at outs and one calls the cops on the other, essentially using LE against the partner?
It's a lot! I have a friend that quit being a cop because of this. Small town but he said all he did was respond to the same 5 or 6 places with people arguing about schit he didn't care about, the city had a policy that if a domestic dispute was responded to one of the people involved had to be removed from the situation, meaning he got to arrest, most of the time the guy, and have him spend the night in Jail. Of course no charges get filed it was just used as a way to make someone they were pissed at stay the night in jail.
Tucker Carlson stated on his Monday evening monologue the cities that will defund their police Dept. will replace them with liberal advocates they control.....the liberals are just not telling their citizens their intentions.
Cities replacing the police with their own liberal security forces they control has been done before........Ernst Rohm "Brown Shirts" in 1930's Nazi Germany.
The Brown Shirts were the reaction to the the Bolsheviks seeking, via perpetual mob violence in the streets, to install Marxism in Germany. The Government was too weak and feckless to do anything about the takeover that was in the process of occurring, which is why the German people supported the Brown Shirts. They were the only faction willing to go into the streets, in force, and put down the destruction being wrought by the radical left, i.e., by the Antifa/BLM of that time and place.
Read up on the 'night of the long knives'. Hitler feared Rohm who was the leader of the Brown Shirts. On that night in June of '34, Hitler sent out his elite SS and murdered Rohm and hundreds of other Nazi leaders, putting him in sole charge of the party.
No kidding. When the tide finally does turn, for the worse, the hard core liberals will be the 1st ones that will be killed. They will be killed or imprisoned by their handlers. It's happened time and time again throughout history.
When their liberal utopia doesn't turn out like they planned, the liberals that were useful idiots are likely the first to make noise, so they are the first to die or go to prison. It's the conservative Americans that will not be surprised at what a sh&t show everything has become.
It's not just Nazi Germany. It has repeated time and time again. Long before Germany and since Germany.
The Antifa of that time and place was Antifa. That’s where they started as Antifaschistische Aktion in the 1920’s. As for Ernst Röhm and his SA, they weren’t so much an overt threat to Hitler as an embarrassment. The recovered documents indicate that getting rid of Rohm and the SA were a big part of the deal to get Hindenburg to appoint him as Chancellor in 1933. Himmler’s SS had been rising in favor and was more than happy to execute the night of the long knives and replace Rohm with a more subtle and efficient military wing of the party.
Read up on the 'night of the long knives'. Hitler feared Rohm who was the leader of the Brown Shirts. On that night in June of '34, Hitler sent out his elite SS and murdered Rohm and hundreds of other Nazi leaders, putting him in sole charge of the party.
I'm well aware of that. The leader of the Brown Shirts was plotting Hitler's assassination. But this has nothing to do what what I said in my previous post, since that was a very different time in Germany. When the Brown Shirts took to the streets to put down the Bolshevik rioters (which the Weimar government was too weak and feckless to do), they were supported by the German people.
My understanding is Hitler killed Rohm at the urging of the German Milliary.
Read Hitler's War, by David Irving. He fills in the details of what I said above. Hitler received credible intelligence that he was plotting his assassination.
Bill Shrier (Rise and fall of the Third Reich) and several others disagree. It seems to me from the evidence that Hindenburg and the military requested it and that Rohm’s homosexual exploits were becoming an embarrassment. The “Rohm was gonna kill me” thing seems to be the excuse made up for killing him.
Bill Shrier (Rise and fall of the Third Reich) and several others disagree. It seems to me from the evidence that Hindenburg and the military requested it and that Rohm’s homosexual exploits were becoming an embarrassment. The “Rohm was gonna kill me” thing seems to be the excuse made up for killing him.
"The SA was observed to be stockpiling weapons -- evidently for a "second revolution," in which Hitler would be deposed ... Certain facts are clear. The SA was planning to overthrow Hitler's government ... Hitler was convinced." - Pages 40-41, Hitler's War, by David Irving
I don’t think the people saying “defund the police” have a clear or cohesive idea of what that even means. They’ve been holding up Camden NJ as an example, but that wasn’t anything like defunding, just big bang reform.
Possibly the experiment antifa is running in the Capitol Hill neighborhood in Seattle is a better example. It’ll probably end up like Occupy protest, but they’ve been a little more aggressive in blocking access to the area they control and patrolling its border.
Probably means something that instead of taking over public areas they actually forced the police to abandon a station.
In any case there is no effective police presence in that area.
Be a shame if a suitcase nuke went off in that area. A real shame.
Honest question: What'd I miss? Maybe I'm not looking at this objectively but I don't know anyone who would want to pay taxes to live in or have a business in a large urban area with a substantially reduced number of law enforcement personnel reluctant to arrest someone who might resist arrest. I'd think most that tried it would eventually leave.
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